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10 minutes ago, hiluna said:

I don't agree with you that WS is not good with words, he is very good at responding to Yo's attacks when it comes to defending the weaker members of his family. I think he is just smart and chooses to speak onlywhen neccessary.

what I said was he is not good with words when he is being confronted for his own actions. all the scenes where he could speak up was when he was defending a weaker by attacking opposite stronger one, where his actions are not questioned. And he does not have to justify - clarify his own actions

(or may be there are is  more to his verbal side that i dint notice.. then ill have to rewatch episode...)

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@hiluna I agree with you that Wang So can speak very well for himself and for others. The way he talked to his father in order to stop the wedding is another proof that he is good with words. On the other hand, I understand why @KdramaSwimmer was saying that he is not good with words. In my opinion, Wang So is not able to express his feelings therefore he is struggling in that matter: "if you do it again, I'll never forgive you". IT sounds like a thread, but he is actually worrying about her. So his words don't match with his feelings. He could never show his true feelings to others, he always had to hide these, that's why when he is talking to Hae Soo, he always appears rude and more coldhearted. Notice how he took Hae Soo's wrist in the episode 7. First, he was really rude, but he noticed that he was hurting her and he stopped to put some pressure on her wrist. You could sense that he was trying to be more gentle.

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@skxz your detailed analysis about YH has so much information that I could never observed before and thanks for bringing it to our notice.

To Add..we know she is villain (and in drama there has to be a villain to make hero prove him mighty) besides this she is also one strong character who cant be ignored. she has so much up her sleeves n her brain that she can do anything at any moment and that can make the game in her favor, and no one can predict what she is thinking let alone prepare a counter attack. She is going to play a important role in this WS-HS-Throne triangle .

And please do an analysis on WW, WS and HS too...gonna love to know more about them.

@qwenli to add in the list my positives are Action scenes amazingly done by LJK, and as much as I admire his skills I must say the team working behind to train him for those scene is doing remarkable job.

 

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1 hour ago, solelylurking said:

Next week, I hope Wook able to catch up with Soo and So. I hope So sees the jade bracelet. I hope Wook claim Soo as his so So's jealousy can begin. I hope despite all that So wouldn't care less like he always did and still persue Soo.

This is what the drama lack of: the confrontation between the first and second lead male. 

Hoping the same..So seeing the bracelet and as we know Wook is following HS. He will again interrupt the moment (as he did in past when WS almost choked HS after assassin killing) but this time I doubt WS will leave her to be. He will do something authoritative to bother wook.

So can we imagine and share it here what can be the nex scene after WS holding HS by injured wrist and WW following HS. Can we say Wook will shout at WS and force him to leave HS ? Will WS leave HS or he will do something ??? so much to think and my brain has stopped...

me better go to sleep...its 1 am here...annyong chingus...

 

 

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6 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

 

As conclusion, he can't stand her gaze for three reasons:

- he hates to see himself in her as he hates himself

- for the first time, his external perception is really important because Hae Soo has such influence in his life

- Wang So realises, how Hae Soo perceives him: someone who needs comfort and empathy, but she doesn't love him back.

This is painful for him. I hope, this was understandable to read. All this leads me to come to the conclusion that

- he needs to accept himself and overcome his inferiority complex

- he needs to change Hae Soo's view about him, so that he will change his behaviour towards her. She needs to see him as a man and as a man in love with her. Since Wang So is more a man of action, we can expect why he will become more physical with her.

You can tell me what you think about it! Your opinion and feedback are welcome.

@Yongzura @littleloonydid you read this comment?

Thanks @bebebisous33 for the heads up :) I just quoted a part of your post for the sake of brevity. Its really interesting you pointed out how WS has the advantage of self perception and perception by the other, both at the same time when he locks eyes with HS. I hadnt thought of it like that but its quite possible you are right. He has always known how others percieve him, but he may have never really thought about how he looks at himself. He may be having the sudden realisation as he looks into HS's gaze that his own perception of himself is very low and that cannot be a welcome thought to have. In addition he must be burdened by another realisation that he doesnt want HS to look at him and feel that he is a charity case and pity him......the point I highlighted in ur post. He may yet not be consciously aware that what he feels for HS is love, but even so he cannot want to appear pitiful in front of the woman who is undoubtedly special to him, for I think he has never pitied HS and her various predicaments.......he has always been awed, admiring and amazed by her. There can be no greater hurt/ discomfort than knowing your beloved doesnt love you back but definitely pities you.

The thing is I am dying to know if our speculations about that scene are true......so I hope that in the next epi they make it clear what he meant, either by elaborating his dialogue or HS asking him or some other means because that will surely be a most direct insight into how he feels- about HS, about himself and that state of his awareness.

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@gihwayujo glad you brought up the literal meaning of hanja characters. So not sure if you can help but still puting the question-

As we saw hanja chacracter of Wook means Morning Sun . What do hanja character So and Soo means ? 

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@40somethingahjumma Amen to your last post!! :):wub: I feel the same way like you... I wanted to point out Wang Wook's flaws because on the surface, he seems to be the perfect husband and it is well known that people with a smile leaves a better impression than people who looks more grumpy.  Wang Wook was also introduced as the best man by Chae Ryun therefore Hae soo and others are misled. On the other hand, this doesn't mean that Wang So is without flaws too. He is much more active than Wang Wook, but his actions are sometimes ruthless and violent. He is definitely more hot-tempered and too emotional. 

Moon Lovers has now become my favourite drama, I am looking forward for the fight among the princes. I loved the fight scenes in the earlier episodes...

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1 minute ago, KdramaSwimmer said:

@gihwayujo glad you brought up the literal meaning of hanja characters. So not sure if you can help but still puting the question-

As we saw hanja chacracter of Wook means Morning Sun . What do hanja character So and Soo means ? 

oh i forgot to add the meanings! i will go edit my post now hahaha

i haven't seen soo's hanja yet so i can't tell. but so's hanja means shining light. wook literally means rising/morning sun, yes.

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Your comments and analysis made me thinks to a different perspective. Hae Soo and her game of fate. In real life she was in a love triangle. Ha Jin and her best friend vs. boyfriend/lover. And she end up hurt and resentful. She's sent back in time and she’s caught in another love triangle, where her position is changed from side to center. Obviously, there is something she needs to learn, avoid making the same mistakes twice. And from this perspective the scene with Hae Soo walking through the snow on Wang Wook's footprints suggests (in my opinion) that she’s about to take the same route again.
There’s always in the back the voice of astronomer who’s similar to a trickster. “Take care what you say”, “follow you fate”…which actually it shouldn’t be taken ad literam but more as action triggers…speak your mind (vs. her real life experience “I did not tell them what I wanted to say”). Follow your fate, and even if there is a predetermined fate-factor, there are lot of other variables…so make the necessary adjustments.
Sarasona said that we interpret Goryeo era with modern ethics and equality. True, they are antagonistic in this respect. But in my opinion, that’s how the narrative is built up, through Hae Soo eyes. She’s making her own judgments about morals. However, she has a particular and not very critical approach in this respect. All her judgments are softened by the way she acts and interacts with the other characters.
We don’t know what the others see her, because we are already told in the narrative how to see things, oh she’s hurt her head and she’s a bit eccentric.  And like the astronomer, Hae Soo has it’s own trickster role for other characters, either facing their fears, or pushing them out of their comfort zone.  

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Chingus from Korea, could you please help me to figure out the reason of so low rating of Moon lovers?! could it be that not only IU but and Junki are unpopular in Korea?! I can't get it-for at least 10-15% this drama deserves certainly!

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@40somethingahjumma agree with you on wook...

 wook... for me is one character who wants to do so much, can promise moon and stars as well but when it comes to do it in reality he thinks or over thinks before deciding to do or not to do. And his over thinking makes him a pole apart character than So or even Soo for that matter.

So-Soo surely think but when they judge extreme measures are required they just go for it and then remain with their decision with no regrets.

I see in Wook both first indecisiveness and then regret of not being able to do what he should have done. And eveytime he says sorry I couldn't do it or I felt pathetic just increases the intensity of his regret. 

I dont want to say he is bad than WS cause he too has his weaknesses and flaws just like you said but may be he is the lead so his character is written that way to make is feel all empathy and emotions for him, and find all his decisions correct besides this we have seen so much of background and emotional baggage WS carries to connect with him but in case of WW we hardly know much to feel for him to connect with him. And if get to know more abt his back story we can surely react differently.

Too add...this is the only kdrama ever in mg life which made me hovering on this thread whole day till its 2am and I hav no energy to think or to write anything more.  Addiction at its worst I say...

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@aine7 i agree. i did notice that hae soo was caught in a love triangle in her original life where her ex was in the center of it all and now she's caught in another love triangle where she is in the center. perhaps it might make her less resentful towards her ex now that she might be able to see things from his perspective maybe? forgiveness is another buddhist/karmic/east asian trope in dramas. this comes from my own personal experiences but i've been in bad relationships too (i've been cheated on twice lol) and i emotionally cheated on an ex when a relationship was falling apart, it was only then when i actually found myself in the same position when i saw that things really aren't so simple and i found it in me to forgive. maybe i'm projecting myself in here a little too much :sweatingbullets:

the other trope i noticed is how she originally made an impact on people -- wook saw her as a cute little sister and her presence made him smile and laugh like never before. however towards so she originally made an impact on him because she had a nurturing maternal presence that he never received ("i hope you live well in the palace. eat well. sleep well" she said something like that in episode... 3? i can't remember it's the scene when the snow started falling) and really she was just being a normal human being ("oh you're going on a holiday? enjoy! take care!" we all say that kind of stuff) but so probably did not experience much human decency in his lifetime. i enjoy that the series plays on different perspectives and aspects of a person's character. we do exhibit different parts of ourselves to different people at different times, and i enjoy that exploration. eventually you see the reverse happening when soo comforts wook after his wife dies and how so kinda gave her the big brother speech in episode 7 in the garden including the flick on the forehead.

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2 hours ago, finebyme said:

 

 

Was this an out take??? It looks like it might have been an amusing scene to watch... 

Chingu this scene is soo awesome :blush: thank yo so much for sharing ! But i dont know why they have not brodcasted it and was edited out.. :bawling: It wouls have been so nice to see this...I wish they make this scene as a flashback in a future episode...

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The Running Man episode with our 3rd, 4th and 8th prince is out with subs... Check the twitter of @MoonLoversSBS 

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26 minutes ago, gihwayujo said:

@aine7 i agree. i did notice that hae soo was caught in a love triangle in her original life where her ex was in the center of it all and now she's caught in another love triangle where she is in the center. perhaps it might make her less resentful towards her ex now that she might be able to see things from his perspective maybe? forgiveness is another buddhist/karmic/east asian trope in dramas. this comes from my own personal experiences but i've been in bad relationships too (cheated on twice lol) and i emotionally cheated on an ex when a relationship was falling apart, it was only then when i actually found myself in the same position. maybe i'm projecting myself in here a little too much :sweatingbullets:

the other trope i noticed is how she originally made an impact on people -- wook saw her as a cute little sister and her presence made him smile and laugh like never before. however towards so she originally made an impact on him because she had a nurturing maternal presence that he never received ("i hope you live well in the palace. eat well. sleep well" she said something like that in episode... 3? i can't remember it's the scene when the snow started falling) . i enjoy that the series plays on different perspectives and aspects of a person's character. we do exhibit different parts of ourselves to different people at different times, and i enjoy that exploration. eventually you see the reverse happening when soo comforts wook after his wife dies and how so kinda gave her the big brother speech in episode 7 in the garden including the flick on the forehead.

 

There are different keys of interpretation. Buddhist/karmic/east asian trope was a bit too hidden for my European mindset. But nevertheless, seeing things from the other's perspective helps finding a closure. Even our own experiences make us receptive to different levels of interpretation, make us relate better to motivations and action triggers, see things that others may overlook. 

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