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28 minutes ago, qwenli said:

erm, the problem is, when she was looking at the moon, she said she like him, wants to be with him :tears: He is handsome, kind, scholarly and a perfect gentleman....

Your comment made me realize: she was thinking about “the sun that rises in the dawn” (Wook -well maybe not exactly these words) but at the same time she admires the moon. I don't know if I'll take that as a hint or the simple fact that it was night.

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29 minutes ago, qwenli said:

erm, the problem is, when she was looking at the moon, she said she like him, wants to be with him :tears: He is handsome, kind, scholarly and a perfect gentleman....

 

Agree. Idk why some of us find it so hard to believe HS loves Wook. It maybe a different kind of love than to what she will have with So, but it is still love nonetheless. It will be a heartbreaking goodbye to both Wook and So because they love each other. Call me silly, but I believe that it would be like that. Same like I believe that the reason of him giving Soo the jade bracelet is out of kindness, love and a little bit of guilt for not able to protect her the way he wanted and causing her that scar. 

I'm a a fan of Wook (but I'm the kind of fan who wish he would change fast to bad and fast moving not the sweet all talk but lack of action guy, like right now) but I'm not supporting him with Soo blindly. I know eventually Soo will be with So because they are both soulmates for each other and a love based on friendship is a tough one to beat. But he is a great guy to be in love with. Just like you said. :)

Sorry to rambled and quoted your posts. I just feel I have to write about it. Please forgive me... :(

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Episode 8 prediction

If you were careful enough you would have noticed that Wang So (by the end of episode 7 pushed Hae Soo against a wall) has pinned her left hand aka her injured hand on the wooden poll. The same exact hand that has the bracelet from Wook.
If you were more careful you would know that Wook also left the ‘’party’’ and is also after Hae Soo or his brother 
Anyhow a confrontation between the two may emerge since I belive that Wang So will notice the bracelet and how it strategically covers her scar and he will realize that it is his brother’s doing
I’m expectig it 

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22 minutes ago, liltash85 said:

i think its not fair for us to keep comparing Wang So and Wang Wook as they are the total opposite. i love the fact that they made this two men are of the same age but their character is so different. This is due to genetics and also the upbringing.

 

As we are already aware that Wang So comes from a very powerful clan. I bet the male in this clan are all alpha male and the female as well (just look as how powerful his mother is, tho evil). Besidesthe rough life he experience growing up also shape him into who he is. Showing emotion and soft side is not his forte as showing soft spot kinda reveal your weakness. 

 

As for Wook, he already bear a great responsibility since young too. As the head of the family, he took care of his family when they were thrown out of palace. And the fact that his mother originally is a maiden (there's a scene that reveal that, conv between 3rd Queen and 4th Queen), that is why Wook is always careful and calculative in his behavior. n if i'm not mistaken he is the smartest among all princes as he doesn't need any tutors. He learns on his own. I don't think he has hidden agenda or what not, he just behave the way he should be as he knew where he stands (just like how Baek ah behave. Baek Ah knew that he can nvr be chosen as CP so he back off earlier n living the life he wants). 

 

Since their behavior is very different, i think they love differently also. I don't think both of them love Hae Soo any less just that they show it differently. Being a warm person just like his name 'morning sun', Wook is more gentle and caring. You will find comfort in him and its hard to reject him as Hae Soo is aware that he is always there to offer help. He wants to make sure that Hae Soo get away from being a palce maid the right way (eg he going to grant permision from king). He doesn't want to get Soo freedom illegally. 

 

As for So, he is a go getter guy. So always ask Hae Soo to act base on her own will. He always get Hae Soo to think about what ever decision she made. N he has his own way to cover Hae Soo. Being out of palace, he know about outside world and this is an advantage for him. The way he chanel his emotion is different but we know for sure, he is already fond of Hae Soo. 

 

As for Hae Soo, as the drama progress she actually love both prince. it is not something unusual that we can love two person at a same time. But as a woman, normally we need to choose who is the best for us. I dont think Wook is a rebound for Hae Soo. SHe love Wook for his warm personality. Wook's gentleness captures her heart (well who doesn't waver if being treated by Wook like that). and with So later on, Soo falls in love because she get to learn how damage is Wang So inside. N ithink her love for So will start from sympathy. She may really want to mend the broken soul of So and in the process she fell in love. 

 

Just sharing my idea. I think let just love both prince as the way they are. PEace. 

 

Agreeeeeeeee....

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5 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

@skxz I really loved your very good analysis about Yeon Hwa. good job onion head I agree with you that her character is much more complex than she appears first. Yes, she is using her brother to get what she wants that's why Wang So's description really fits her as well: "You can't trust anyone, especially the one close to you". Yeon Hwa is a more cold-hearted and level-headed person than her brother and even Wang So in my opinion. I can't forget the scene, when Yeon Hwa, her mother and lady Hae met Queen Yoo and at the end, lady Hae took her hand in order to comfort her. Wook's wife knew exactly what Yeon Hwa was feeling: upset and mad. However, Yeon Hwa pushed the hand away showing that she doesn't care about empathy and feelings. Wang So is in that matter different. However, she is not cold-hearted and evil like Yo because she felt sorry for Wang So's humiliation. She is able to feel empathy. Yet her calculative nature makes her less emotional and sensitive. She is so different from Wang So because despise his cold and distant behaviour, he is the exact opposite: very emotional.

Just like him, she had a traumatic experience and I guess, she suffered much more than her brother, since she is a woman and as such, her status is much lower. Actually, she is a little different from Wang So and Hae Soo. She thinks, she needs someone to save herself, so as such she is trying to relying on someone. On the other hand she is looking for someone who will need her as well so that the relationship is more equal.

Finally, that explains why she is jealous of Hae Soo 

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because Yeon Hwa had thought, if she could show interest towards Wang So, he would come close to her so that she could manipulate him and turn him into a human. Yet "showing interest" (an expression she used herself) is not the same than showing care and affection therefore she misjudged Wang So's personality. She never thought, he could have feelings as he seems to be so calm and level-headed. Secondly, when she mentioned "turn him into a human", she had something else in her mind: the human should behave exactly like her: ambitious, selfish, ready to defend his Queen, cold-hearted and calculating. Striking is that Wang So is right now transforming himself, he is turning into a human, but a different kind: someone who is more honest, sensitive to others, less selfish, less brutal and able to socialise. So her jealousy towards Hae Soo doesn't come from her heart, I mean by it that she is not really competing for Wang So's affections as such. It is just that Hae Soo is ruining Yeon hwa's plan, as she can't have any influence on Wang So. Her plan was to get a hold of Wang So, influence him so that she could get what she wants, but with Hae Soo by his side, it makes it impossible. This also elucidates why Yeon Hwa is so eager to get rid of Hae Soo after the singing. She doesn't want her to have more influence on Wang So and the other princes because she needs a relative to achieve her goal.


The princess is definitely a intriguing character. Loved both of your reflections and I mostly agree! But I differ in one point: I still do not think that YH wants to use/manipulate SO to her advantage. Yes, she wants to change him but more so that he is accepted by society and not for her own selfish gain (yet). It makes YH sad that SO is marginalized thats why she wants to change him and not accept him as he is, hence what @briseissaid. 

I'd rather think that SO is her weak point!! She is manipulative, calm and collected but when it's about SO she has to try hard not to reveal herself. I'm sure we will soon see what stupid things she will do just to be next to him.

Let's face it, yes she is an evil snooty richard simmons resulting from her shitty personality combined with her past and precarious/low position but she is still a human with feelings. 

 

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hello, my dear soompi members, i m glad to be here again with you all and i m enjoying all the analysis and explanation in details about Moon Lovers. In fact, i have been quick from soompi forum for quite a long time because of busy life and crazy workload. I even forgot password and need to register my new account. Anyway, i m happy to be here because of MLSHG...... 

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31 minutes ago, ruzikie said:

thanks guys for the explanation. i could not mention for all the member that has explained to me about the development between our Wang So and Hae Soo. It makes me giddy and sad in the same time. I think it's gonna be tragic since we knew the ending ( i googled all the things that connected for this drama and it made my head dizzy)

one more question guys since in the chinese version there's no Court Lady Oh, will she be another witch bicchy like the evil queen or she would turn into Hae Soo's side like Lady Hae ? and why i have a gut and feeling this woman is actually like a lover of the King :D 

mind me to explain hehe :D 

 

25 minutes ago, Phuc Nguyen said:

I think Lady Oh is like a really strict but good hearted teacher who will lead HaeSoo's way to become more mature in the palace. oh and the king does have a moment of thinking when mentioning lady Oh so i guess they were past lovers or something:)). I feel like lady Oh wil probably be a victim of the throne's battle. if she gets closer to HaeSoo she could be manipulated to harm her later on :P 

@ruzikie I agree with @Phuc Nguyen's explanation. Lady Oh will become her mentor, however I don't think, she will ever harm Hae Soo. Through her, Hae Soo will become less naive and more careful at the palace. 

I rather suspect that lady Oh's fate is connected to Taejo and his son crown Prince Mu. Notice that she is the one who knows about the Crown Prince's illness. Moreover, Queen Yoo is troubling lady Oh a lot. Remember that Queen Hwangbo mentioned that lady Oh must have her stomach pain due to the mistreatment coming from Queen Yoo. So as soon as the Crown Prince dies, his mother will make lady Oh disappear or something similar like making her responsible for King Mu's death (drowning). 

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Hae Soo came from suffering a heartbreak and her friend's betrayal when she arrived to Goryeo, so it was not hard for her develop feelings for Wang Wook because he treated her well and was tender when she most needed, unlike Wang So who always threatened and even throw her from the horse. She is fascinated for WW as it would be a teenage girl with her favorite singer at whom she idealizes, but it is not the same admiration than a profound love, and in the case of Hae Soo it is more the first than the second. I'm not saying that she doesn't feel something special for Wang Wook, yes she feels and maybe is equal to be in love, but it is different as something that remain still and you have the security that will not change. But in the case of Wang So, it's as if her whole being stirred and moved in his direction, it is the unknown of what you should fear, but draws you like a magnet and you cannot help it. And the more she sees him vulnerable, she will want to help and be close to him.

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did you guys notice the younger princes are so look alike? I know they have different mothers but they all look like they really brothers/blood related. After watching all 7 episodes so many times, sometimes I still find it difficult to tell who's who (hehe...). The casting for the princes are really good. Of course KHN & LJK stand out as the more handsome ones, but I begin to like Baek Ah and Jung as well :) even I like Wang Yo as the bad one...

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2 minutes ago, ChyuuNyuu said:


The princess is definitely a intriguing character. Loved both of your reflections and I mostly agree! But I differ in one point: I still do not think that YH wants to use/manipulate SO to her advantage. Yes, she wants to change him but more so that he is accepted by society and not for her own selfish gain (yet). It makes YH sad that SO is marginalized thats why she wants to change him and not accept him as he is, hence what @briseissaid. 

I'd rather think that SO is her weak point!! She is manipulative, calm and collected but when it's about SO she has to try hard not to reveal herself. I'm sure we will soon see what she stupid things she will do just to be next to him. Let's face it, yes she is an evil snooty richard simmons resulting from her shitty personality combined with her past and precarious/low position but she is still a human with feelings. 

 

But why does she want to change him? Why can she not accept him as he is? It's because she needs him as someone who is accepted by society. Therefore I say that she is using him. She needs him to be presentable so that she can use him as her weapon to become Queen. That's why I consider it as a selfish motivation. She is not really interested in his true personality and feelings. What matters to her is social status. Look at the way she treats people: for her, social status is essential therefore f. ex. she abuses her power over Hae Soo to send her away (episode 7).

Yeon hwa wants him to be interested in her because this would reveal that Wang So might be interested in the Crown and Goryeo. Right now, Wang So is more focused on survival and being accepted by his family. Yeon hwa is definitely not sensitive enough to notice his trauma. She only looks at his scar and mask, while Hae Soo has seen him through. Yeon Hwa's perception of Wang So is wrong: she considers him as cold, cunning and level-headed, as someone similar to her because it is also based on his actions and rumours. For her, he only needs more polishing: better manners and education. The origin of her misjudgement comes from her personality: she is more self-centered and selfish, that's why she is only thinking on how achieving her goal. 

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5 hours ago, yuhotarubi said:

Funny thing to me is, I always wonder and worry wether HS will do something to change history since she can't remember it herself, but then I think, she already changed history, she made soap !! Soaps didn't exist in that time, she'll be known as the mother of beauty, lol 

 

that's where the storyline makes different from C-version. HS who is a beautician in modern world has a way to remove the scar on WS's face. To her, it is not a big DEAL ....:rolleyes:  

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11 minutes ago, ChyuuNyuu said:


The princess is definitely a intriguing character. Loved both of your reflections and I mostly agree! But I differ in one point: I still do not think that YH wants to use/manipulate SO to her advantage. Yes, she wants to change him but more so that he is accepted by society and not for her own selfish gain (yet). It makes YH sad that SO is marginalized thats why she wants to change him and not accept him as he is, hence what @briseissaid. 

I'd rather think that SO is her weak point!! She is manipulative, calm and collected but when it's about SO she has to try hard not to reveal herself. I'm sure we will soon see what stupid things she will do just to be next to him.

Let's face it, yes she is an evil snooty richard simmons resulting from her shitty personality combined with her past and precarious/low position but she is still a human with feelings. 

 

 

I feel indignant for Wang So when Yeon Hwa said she wants to turn him into a human.

It just goes to show how she sees him now...as a savage.

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Agree about Lady Oh, I think she will be Hae Soo's ally. Remember the scene where Lady Oh asked why Hae Soo opted to get out of the marriage when she can live in comfort if she did marry and told her that she'd receive punishment for disobeying the king? At first I think she looks down on Hae Soo for opting out and slightly belittles Hae Soo's belief about "choosing her own path.", but she seems stunned at her firm answer and the way Hae Soo said,"I don't have regrets. I protect what I wanted, I must pay the price.". At the end of the scene, deep down, I think Lady Oh admires Hae Soo for that.

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14 minutes ago, magdale said:

Hae Soo came from suffering a heartbreak and her friend's betrayal when she arrived to Goryeo, so it was not hard for her develop feelings for Wang Wook because he treated her well and was tender when she most needed, unlike Wang So who always threatened and even throw her from the horse. She is fascinated for WW as it would be a teenage girl with her favorite singer at whom she idealizes, but it is not the same admiration than a profound love, and in the case of Hae Soo it is more the first than the second. I'm not saying that she doesn't feel something special for Wang Wook, yes she feels and maybe is equal to be in love, but it is different as something that remain still and you have the security that will not change. But in the case of Wang So, it's as if her whole being stirred and moved in his direction, it is the unknown of what you should fear, but draws you like a magnet and you cannot help it. And the more she sees him vulnerable, she will want to help and be close to him.

 finally someone read my mind about this. His venerable side already had seen by her so it's like wether they aren't together or not, Hae Soo already understand about him.

@bebebisous33 @Phuc Nguyen thanks for the explanation. i was aware she would be another reason of Soo would be in dangerous but i think she would make good cut for Hae Soo or maybe she would know about Soo relationship to Wook and So as well :D 

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Later, wang so will be king and yeon hwa become queen daemok (wang so's wife) it means they will be a couple,

yeon hwa (kang hana) is really pretty, but i don't like her role in moon lover, because she looks cocky and fox sly

 

anyone can tell me, instead of wang yo (3rd prince), why is it wang so (4th) who become a king?

 

how goryeo choose their crown prince? by vote, king's decision, or something

 

 

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19 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

But why does she want to change him? Why can she not accept him as he is? It's because she needs him as someone who is accepted by society. Therefore I say that she is using him. She needs him to be presentable so that she can use him as her weapon to become Queen. That's why I consider it as a selfish motivation. She is not really interested in his true personality and feelings. What matters to her is social status. Look at the way she treats people: for her, social status is essential therefore f. ex. she abuses her power over Hae Soo to send her away (episode 7).

Yeon hwa wants him to be interested in her because this would reveal that Wang So might be interested in the Crown and Goryeo. Right now, Wang So is more focused on survival and being accepted by his family. Yeon hwa is definitely not sensitive enough to notice his trauma. She only looks at his scar and mask, while Hae Soo has seen him through. Yeon Hwa's perception of Wang So is wrong: she considers him as cold, cunning and level-headed, as someone similar to her because it is also based on his actions and rumours. For her, he only needs more polishing: better manners and education. The origin of her misjudgement comes from her personality: she is more self-centered and selfish, that's why she is only thinking on how achieving her goal. 

Totally agree with you!

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what do you guys think? for me, lee junki with scar doesn't looks ugly at all

I'm wondering why they are very shocked looking at 4th prince wang so's scar

or maybe in that era, people with scar like that are rare (?)

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5 minutes ago, Putri Dewi said:

Later, wang so will be king and yeon hwa become queen daemok (wang so's wife) it means they will be a couple,

yeon hwa (kang hana) is really pretty, but i don't like her role in moon lover, because she looks cocky and fox sly

 

anyone can tell me, instead of wang yo (3rd prince), why is it wang so (4th) who become a king?

 

how goryeo choose their crown prince? by vote, king's decision, or something

 

 

Wang So won't become king before Crown Prince (943-945) and Prince Yo (945-949). It is first the king's decision to chose the Crown Prince among all his sons. Once chosen, the Crown prince becomes the king after his father's death. However, Mu will struggle because of his brother Yo who has a powerful clan behind his back, unlike Wang Mu. Moreover, I believe, he will ask for the support of his brothers, 14th prince, 9th prince and 8th prince. 

about the other question: the scar doesn't look that bad, but I believe that since he is a prince, he shouldn't have a scar on his face because it can be seen as a bad karma. I believe, people are not upset about scars, generally speaking, but more upset that his scar is on his face. I can imagine that people think that it brings unfortune and the gods are against him.

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9 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

But why does she want to change him? Why can she not accept him as he is? It's because she needs him as someone who is accepted by society. Therefore I say that she is using him. She needs him to be presentable so that she can use him as her weapon to become Queen. That's why I consider it as a selfish motivation. She is not really interested in his true personality and feelings. What matters to her is social status. Look at the way she treats people: for her, social status is essential therefore f. ex. she abuses her power over Hae Soo to send her away (episode 7).

Yeon hwa wants him to be interested in her because this would reveal that Wang So might be interested in the Crown and Goryeo. Right now, Wang So is more focused on survival and being accepted by his family. Yeon hwa is definitely not sensitive enough to notice his trauma. She only looks at his scar and mask, while Hae Soo has seen him through. Yeon Hwa's perception of Wang So is wrong: she considers him as cold, cunning and level-headed, as someone similar to her because it is also based on his actions and rumours. For her, he only needs more polishing: better manners and education. The origin of her misjudgement comes from her personality: she is more self-centered and selfish, that's why she is only thinking on how achieving her goal. 

I would say that this character as of now is not very developed yet however based on what she said so far and the bits of information that has to be given, you can say that Yeon Hwa has a strong trauma based on being chased out, hiding and almost dying ( Wang Wook mentioned when he first killed somebody). As such, she has a strong sense of insecurity and fears getting abandoned or killed at any point of time, thus to her if you look at it from the perspective of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, she still has not fulfilled basic needs of security to bother about higher order needs like love and care and concern for others. 

Thus, while she may prefer Wang So if she is to marry anyone, she is very realistic about things, thus, her primary aim at present is to get Wang Wook to be king as they are direct siblings. She still has some hope that she can marry Wang So thus all the attempts to test the water with him through her questions but this does not override her survival needs thus he has to fit into the bigger scheme of things ie being socially acceptable and moving towards direction of being king. 

Fundamentally, the reason why she acts differently from Hae Soo e.g. reaction towards Wang So's face is probably the case of conditioning and values. In modern society, it comes from a place of trust and though news and social media, we are exposed to various images thus a face like Wang So is probably no big deal and Hae Soo can believe the way she behave despite the betrayal she received from her boyfriend and good friend is due to the fact that she generally still trust people. However, during the Goryeo era, people especially royals probably are kept rather isolated and do not trust other people in general, thus given the taboo in seeing people who are scarred, it is probably the first time Yeon Hwa and the princes are seeing a scarred people which makes their reaction actually perfectly normal. In that upbringing, conditioning and level of distrust, it is also not surprise that the people are all generally self-centered, cold and unhelpful as being helpful and kind gives others the feeling that you are easily bullied or weak.

In general, thus, I do think that Yeon Hwa's behaviour as far is actually quite expected and if she was to actually accept Wang So for who he is, then that would truly be out of character.

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