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Actually just to give my 2 cents worth, I dun think joining is a time traveller, he may be thinking that soo is abit Looney but he can't tell her off becos wook is there.

Hence he just play along with her words but tell her to be careful with her speech when she is in the palace. 

Although then it can't explain why they need the same actor to play two roles.

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24 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

Maybe JM is from the past and traveled to the future so that when he mentioned about the dream and even added a person can't change her/his life, he was talking about himself, while we were all thinking, he was talking about GHJ. If so, he would feel lost too there and wanted to go back to the 10th century but he had to adjust himself and he did some investigation. He had been sent to the future so that he learnt who would become king after Taejo and when Wang So became king.

I can't forget this picture, when he notices that GHJ has jumped into the lake and he looks at her shoes. Her white shoes remind a lot the shoes from the 10th century... his expression is also telling in my opinion. Maybe he realises that she will play a part in Goreyo History.

Another theory: he was sent to the future because the History had been changed... f. ex. the scar on Wang So's face. It was not supposed to happen. Who knows?

 

 

I´m really not sure to which time he belongs original - but I feel he was for sure in the Future. He knows very well that it is importend that So have to stay in the Palace. When the King ask him he just told something like he saw his Star over the Palace and he is importend to stay there ( have to check the original lines - sorry). It felt really not like a prophecy just like he knows he must convince the King to let So stay.

Maybe he can travel more than one time - and maybe he was there before and the Future got changed when So was sended away to the Kang - and now he tries to correct the mistake. And he knows for So to become the King later - how he has to be - he must stay there.

Sorry if I just repeat what is already said - it is not possible to backread all here... wow this Thread is really on Fire! Love it but it makes it hard for me to follow sometimes.

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skimming SHR DC right now and there were some posts commented on the messy editing and unconvincing script with regards to the snow scene (8th and HS) and autumn scene (13th and HS). They thought those scenes kind of distracting because it clearly showed the directing and writing flaws of the drama. I have watched episode 5 twice yet I didnt have any problem with that. Or maybe I wasnt that into details haha 

Anyone feels something wrong with the way scenes filmed? 

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25 minutes ago, luci13 said:

skimming SHR DC right now and there were some posts commented on the messy editing and unconvincing script with regards to the snow scene (8th and HS) and autumn scene (13th and HS). They thought those scenes kind of distracting because it clearly showed the directing and writing flaws of the drama. I have watched episode 5 twice yet I didnt have any problem with that. Or maybe I wasnt that into details haha 

Anyone feels something wrong with the way scenes filmed? 

 

Maybe they were speaking of the seasons itself thus the flaw on timeline. But same as you those scenes are poignant but reflects strong interpretation so i also dont mind haha

@ruizaio

Thank you for the heads up too. Whoa, it is an interesting audience we have in korea right now. I wonder how the chinese audience react generally (reviews) but the youku views speaks at face value ,so..

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SHR DC often gets chaotic as it gets bombarded by 'aggros' of anti-fans provoking drama fans with harsh words and causing strife between different fans. It didn't help when the mother of the child actor of WS came to ask about the omitted scene of her son from episode 3 (the nightmare scene). So you have people blaming the director for cutting out WS-relevant scenes (possibly to highlight WW-HS more in the early eps), people disparaging LJK for being eclipsed by KHN, worriers fearing that 20 eps is not enough to convey all that this drama seemed to promise in the beginning, and occasional attacks on LJE's acting/apperance. 

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5 hours ago, luci13 said:

skimming SHR DC right now and there were some posts commented on the messy editing and unconvincing script with regards to the snow scene (8th and HS) and autumn scene (13th and HS). They thought those scenes kind of distracting because it clearly showed the directing and writing flaws of the drama. I have watched episode 5 twice yet I didnt have any problem with that. Or maybe I wasnt that into details haha 

Anyone feels something wrong with the way scenes filmed? 

Personally I think there are a lot of editing problems. The most glaring one is the weather of Goryeo, one moment it's snowing heavily, the other moment it's all sunshine but no snow. But I don't really have a problem with this though, since I just noticed when someone here pointed out in their post. Another one I noticed is the forest scene, particularly the one where Hae Soo hugged the 14th. 14th's prince's head movement are different in each frame.

First frame his head turned to the left slowly, his expression sheepish, then moves on to Hae Soo close up, his head turned to the right, slowly. Lastly, when it moves back to 14th face, his head turned left slowly, again! I mean, can a person move their head that fast in a split second?

Not the best video of the scene that I can find, but take a look if you want to see what I mean.

Despite all flaws, I still love this drama. Aside from the extreme close-ups, the editing doesn't distract me much, so I'm good, I'm good~ still going to watch this drama no matter what :D 
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31 minutes ago, Mau_Cherry said:

 

I´m really not sure to which time he belongs original - but I feel he was for sure in the Future. He knows very well that it is importend that So have to stay in the Palace. When the King ask him he just told something like he saw his Star over the Palace and he is importend to stay there ( have to check the original lines - sorry). It felt really not like a prophecy just like he knows he must convince the King to let So stay.

Maybe he can travel more than one time - and maybe he was there before and the Future got changed when So was sended away to the Kang - and now he tries to correct the mistake. And he knows for So to become the King later - how he has to be - he must stay there.

Sorry if I just repeat what is already said - it is not possible to backread all here... wow this Thread is really on Fire! Love it but it makes it hard for me to follow sometimes.

 

Take a look at JM room, He even has airplane model hang in his ceiling, the one than Eun ask and JM said in next year after your grandchildren grandchildren grandchildren people will travel to another place using this. And all the stuff in that room for me too weird to be in goryeo time. It maybe a hint from the writer that JM is not "Ordinary Astronomer". The way he built his own telescope show he has a very good knowledge about how a good telescope look like. 

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2 minutes ago, Yippeuni said:

 

Take a look at JM room, He even has airplane model hang in his ceiling, the one than Eun ask and JM said in next year after your grandchildren grandchildren grandchildren people will travel to another place using this. And all the stuff in that room for me too weird to be in goryeo time. It maybe a hint from the writer that JM is not "Ordinary Astronomer". The way he built his own telescope show he has a very good knowledge about how a good telescope look like. 

 

I know - I just did not mentioned that because I knew that was already said. By me too. :D

I tried not not write a Book here. But yes.. more evidence for me that StarGazer knows the Future.

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Yeah, the sudden snow is an editing issue, haha. They showed snow starting to fall at the end of episode 4, but we get to episode 5, and it seems like it's never snowed at all? XD It's kind of a minor detail (I'll be honest and just say that I loved the aesthetics of the snow in the scenes in episode 5 too much to care about why it was on and off snowing, and maybe people will think I'm shallow, but whatever lol!), so I just overlooked it. 

In the case of editing, one thing I did find funny was Baek Ah's sudden "teleportation" in the scene where Yeonhwa was whipping Hae Soo, haha. Since they didn't show him coming in with Wang So, during one bit where it focuses on getting Yeonhwa's reaction to what's going on, you see him all of a sudden standing behind her as if he's been there the whole time. :lol:

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Well it's true about the season thing. Ep 4 sure looks like the plants and trees were still very green, then snow started to fall at end of ep 4 when so soo is talking. By end of ep 5 lady hae death scene, they are already a foot deep in snow. 

I wonder if ep 6 will be spring already :D but I am so in love with this show, I can ignore these sceneries :)

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I only started checking SHR DC a week ago so thank you @ruizaio for the head ups. I've been to several DCs for dramas I closely watch and SHR DC is counted to be more stressful to go for me hahaha 

Yeah @LyraYoo @shiraru I also thought they were talking about those disparities. 

Now why did I have an impression that maybe the writer had a very extensive script which embrace all possible twists and turns and PD decided to film all those chapters only to get butchered in the process so as to fit the time constraint in 60 minutes x 20 episodes???!!! WOW! there gotta be lots of scenes that didnt make to the final cut for an episode or whole 20-eps long drama if that was the case!

If they promise to include lots of scenes that didnt get aired then maybe I'm interested to get a copy of the Director's Cut DVD later :D

 

 

 

 

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51 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

Maybe JM is from the past and traveled to the future so that when he mentioned about the dream and even added a person can't change her/his life, he was talking about himself, while we were all thinking, he was talking about GHJ. If so, he would feel lost too there and wanted to go back to the 10th century but he had to adjust himself and he did some investigation. He had been sent to the future so that he learnt who would become king after Taejo and when Wang So became king.

 

I can't forget this picture, when he notices that GHJ has jumped into the lake and he looks at her shoes. Her white shoes remind a lot the shoes from the 10th century... his expression is also telling in my opinion. Maybe he realises that she will play a part in Goreyo History.

 

Another theory: he was sent to the future because the History had been changed... f. ex. the scar on Wang So's face. It was not supposed to happen. Who knows?

 

 

Here's my take on JM

I believe he comes from the future much earlier than GHJ. The one HJ met by the lake in present timeline wasn't the one she met in Goryeo. I bet just like 25 years old HJ present time was sent into 16 years old HS's body in Goryeo, 16 years old real Goryeo's HS was sent into 25years old HJ's body in present time.

One reason I believe JM is from the future because he was wearing long john underwear around his workshop trying to invent aeroplane :rolleyes:. At the time aeroplane is so long ahead of time yet, while cowboys didn't even reach this part of the world for another century or so, so where did he gets his underwear from or the idea of making the aeroplane.

Just the same when HJ dive into the lake at eclipse, young HS of Goryeo dive into the pond to peek at the princes, and I think their  soul were swap during that time.

Though he was not the one whom HJ met in the present time, I bet JM got the message across that HJ came from the future & have seen someone in his place. Remember the one she met at the lake didn't say much, and he talked in rhyme, so I guess JM  tried to stop HJ from talking abt the future & warned her to just follow the flow & adapt herself the best she can to live as she is now since they have no way of going back to ther future life.    

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1 hour ago, qwenli said:

Actually just to give my 2 cents worth, I dun think joining is a time traveller, he may be thinking that soo is abit Looney but he can't tell her off becos wook is there.

Hence he just play along with her words but tell her to be careful with her speech when she is in the palace. 

Although then it can't explain why they need the same actor to play two roles.

 

I don't know there's something fishy about him. I think he's from Ha Jin's timeline too and got sent back with her but to an earlier time. He makes reference to how he came to be in the head astrologer position - that he rightly predicted Tae Jo would unite the three kingdoms. And he was actively seeking out Wang So from an early age. Seems to indicate he knows much more than he lets on. 

In the first episode, that scene by the lake when Ha Jin say's "Adhjussi, have you ever wanted to sleep for a hundred or a thousand years...? .. I would just prefer to sleep and never wake up again" He responds "Your life can't change just because you want it to.... Maybe if you died and came back to life again" Almost seems like a portent of things to come. Because that's exactly what happened to her. He also repeats these lines knowingly at her when they meet again in Goryeo. Like a secret code that only they know. I think her confrontation jogged his memory but he's playing it cool to think over what to do with her. 

As for how he got to Goryeo, he might have gone into the lake at the same time to rescue her and was reincarnated in a previous life with all his knowledge of the future. I don't think he necessarily traveled to the 1920's but has limited skills and tools in which to recreate 21st century and previous icons for the princes learning. Although his ideas to them seem 'out there'. 

@bebebisous33 I didn't have a hand in your nickname but it does seem apt. I like it panda-emoticon-39.gif

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I am willing to overlook problems with editing and whatnot as long as I can follow the drama without getting too confused.

Actually, I am so immersed in the drama that I seldom notice such trivial things.

I just want to enjoy this drama....that's what dramas are here for...our enjoyment.

Please don't take that away from me by nitpicking about every little thing....my advice to those who see mistakes and is very critical of this

show, is to stop watching. You do not have to take my advice, though....I am nobody in your life just as you are nobody in mine.

Just let me enjoy the show...I don't care about ratings

 

 

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6 hours ago, KdramaSwimmer said:

this era is full of stylish Princes.. one has collection of Mask and his hyung has Earing collections (I am crazy abt earing and have almost 200 earing with me and he is giving me tough competition  ). So possibly in coming episodes we might see (or better observe) each n every prince with their collections...and yes forgot to add you have such observant mind.

 

I didn't do any screen caps, but I remember thinking to myself, Baek-ah seems to have more hair accessories than the other princes. The feathers and hair pins (with dangling gems) are most eye catching on him haha

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5 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

 

@40somethingahjumma I agree with you to a certain extent. First Hae Soo was herself with Wang Wook too, when she mentioned, she didn't want to rely on him at all. However, I noticed that she started changing little by little by trying to fit in. She heard many times from lady Hae and even noticed from Wang Wook's behaviour that she can't say or do what she thinks. He didn't intervene when she hurt Wang Eun or when she was beaten. I believe, as time passed on, when she was with Wang Wook, she paid more and more attention to social conventions and norms. First, she was more herself with him  f. ex. in the forest or in her room after the rescue, yet I think, it did change after the beating. When he visited her after getting beaten, she didn't let him in first. She avoided him because she knew that it was improper to allow him to enter her chamber. When he touched her shoulder later, she removed herself from him. She had two reasons for that:

- she knows, he is married and she doesn't want to betray lady Hae. Yet from my point of view, she is acting towards Wang Wook based on social conventions. Wang Wook is the one who tells her what she should do or say (f. ex. when Taejo was there). Therefore the walk in the snow is significant.

She has always seen him as his guide and moral compass. This explains why she answered to the poem. First, she saw nothing wrong in the poem because Wang Wook wrote it to her so she thought, it was normal. Then he even asked her for a poem as an answer. She didn't think about a reply first. That's why she wrote the emoticon only after being asked for an answer. Each time, Wang Wook was the one who misguided her... just like with the footprints. Only when Baek Ah confronted her, she realised her mistake. She blames herself, however the real guilty one should be Wang Wook. 

As for Wang So, the situation is totally different. He never paid attention to social norms as he was raised as an outcast. He is always the one who acts differently:

- he intervened, when Hae Soo was hurting Wang Eun. He touched her wrist ... something he shouldn't have done, if he had paid attention to social conventions. This explains why the princes only witnessed it without stopping the quarrelling because a man can't touch a (single) lady.

- he intervened again, when she was getting beaten. He claimed her as his so that Yeon Hwa had no longer authority over her.

The moment he met Hae Soo, he was following his ideas and never paid attention of what people would think of him. Hae Soo realised it too. This explains why Hae Soo is more free and confines to him as she feels that he doesn't care of the social norms. As conclusion, she is more herself with Wang So than with Wang Wook and it becomes more obvious as time passes on.

I think trying to fit in is inevitable and is not necessarily because of Uk. Tongues have been wagging regarding her exploits and it's important to some degree to not bring more attention to herself than is necessary. It's fortunate that most of the princes have taken to her but looking at it not from the point of view of a 21st century viewer, one has to acknowledge that these boys have been extraordinarily gracious when one considers all the social proprieties she's managed to transgress. Already she's incurred the wrath (and possible jealousy) of Princess YH for which there will be serious consequences. To some degree one needs to do what the Romans do when in Rome. In collectivist societies especially, everyone is compelled to fall in line sooner or later... as there are far reaching consequences for the community if one doesn't. It's the nature of the beast.

I don't disagree that Baek Ah was wrong in blaming Hae Soo for the poem incident. I also thought he went overboard with his comments which was largely directed at the wrong person. Uk should have known better and he had crossed the line when he gave her the poem. I think eventually we will see that Uk is a man of his time and in the end he will revert to conventions even if for a brief moment he allowed himself to have a taste of what it means to be happy in love.

I'm not entirely convinced that Wang So doesn't pay attention to social norms. I think that there's enough shown to say that he does. I would put it this way: Because he's an outsider and treated as one, he sees social norms as the means of institutionalizing the existing power structure. He is savvy enough to know that to get to where he needs/wants to, he has to play the game when it suits him to. But as everyone thinks he's no better than a savage beast anyway, he may as well use that also to his advantage get away with all kinds of odd behaviour.

Judging from the preview I expect that the show itself will demonstrate the differences in the two men and why in the end Wang So is the guy who gets the girl.

@sunl0ver -- thanks for the introduction and @qwenli -- Thanks for the welcome! :D

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8 hours ago, UnniSarah said:

I don't expect any of this to happen. He will try and she will turn him away because he will never betray his mom for any woman. He is to much of a momma's boy  teehee-crazy-rabbit-emoticon.gifteehee-crazy-rabbit-emoticon.gif

 What a sight that would be if he actually betrays his mother. teehee-crazy-rabbit-emoticon.gif

But seriously they look so good together. :flushed: Two peas of a pod indeed!

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2 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

 

Another theory: he was sent to the future because the History had been changed... f. ex. the scar on Wang So's face. It was not supposed to happen. Who knows?

 

that's a high probability. because if gwangjong has a scar and wears a mask, then it should have been written in history and people will remember it because he has distinction so ha jin should at least have a clue that gwangjong wears mask/has scar on his face. But she doesn't have a clue who is gwangjong among the princes.

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