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Oh no. The costume of YH is similar with Queen Yo SMS during the ritual scene.

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I was okay in C ver with 4th being married because the character is fleshed out from the story with almost no conflict with Rouxi

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Hmm. This is going to become angst version 2.0 because of YH as one of the major players.

Be still my heart.

 

*taps chest the Hae Soo way**

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@LyraYoo I think that Haesoo will return to 8th prince, not because of love, only for running away of her suffering caused by Wang So's marriage with Yeonhwa. I have that kind of feeling. Obviously, Wang So will not want that...8th prince will fight back!!! Testosterone fight like the one we saw in the first teaser. This will be interesting. 

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To have power it was important have allies with political influence, military power and money, like did Charles I of Spain who married his cousin Isabel of Portugal, because his only concern was to be crowned emperor so he got the money he needed from the dowry to marry her (though eventually they fell in love). I have read some of the history of Goryeo but I feel that is quite similar to what happened in Europe, whose history I'm more familiar. 

With MLSHR, as is a work of fiction where they have taken liberties of narrative, they can follow the line that is more achievable to tell the story. I do believe that maybe will be a marriage between Yeonhwa and Wang So, but instead of do it before he ascend the throne, it may be later.

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Haesoo will die in the past for this to happen, I think, but will return to the body of who she is in present. Then as their love will never dies, she will meet with a man resemblance to Wang So.

 

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@Mau_Cherry  Chingu, I too believe he is an experienced lover but has never fallen in love yet. So I don't think he knows how he feels for Hae Soo. He himself said he want someone who will love all him to be content. He doesn't need to marry someone of importance because that means nothing to him. As @bebebisous33 said He hasn't completely fallen for her yet but is attracted to her  teehee-crazy-rabbit-emoticon.gifteehee-crazy-rabbit-emoticon.gif  and he hasn't even realized it yet because Wang So has never had these feelings for anyone. He knows he finds her interesting. Until he lets her in and let's her truly see him then that is when his love for Hae Soo truly  begin.  

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1 hour ago, stargazer187 said:

@MadraRua Lol, I rewatch the 5th episode again... and I can't stop hitting replay button to this scene, and this \^o^/ is so happening!! \^o^/ \^o^/

and after I rewatch, another question comes up my mind... I know this might be a silly question, but even so, I'm so curious to know the answer,

the question is:

~ Since there are 14 princes here in Georyo, and all those princes have different hair styles. For example, Wook, 8th prince, 3rd prince, 2nd prince, *wait, 2nd prince is the one who always along with the 3rd prince or not?* or the 2nd is the one who becomes the crown prince, well... whatever, they have the same bun hair style anyway like Wook, then another hair style is hang loosely which is on prince.... well, Baek Ah.. , nam joo hyuk character's name. this is the right name right? lol... and 4th prince and 14th prince.... but bu but .. this isn't the point that I'd like to highlight... the thing is, are these hairstyle are also the rank symbol of the princes, or these are just done just for the style, fashion in Goeryo time?? is it so?

kekekeke.... sorry for asking this... really... it's just make me so curious... well... another more.. since this story is a fictional history mixed with the real history... Is Goeryo more ancient than Shilla, is Goeryo the root of Joseon in the next generations?

Lol, I love how HS real personality, I mean HGJ, I like when she whines for not seriously learn for mandarin, then how she tried to recall what she got from her history class to represent the right answer for the king... hahaha... this drama is really delivering some good moral message to students at school. And it did it so well, nice! hahaha... "I'm so sorry for cursing you my junior high school teacher for making us memorize all of this, and I'm so thankful for that now, you'll be blessed."  I love this line. \^o^/

 

There's actually 25 Princes according to Wikipedia. You should check out that article. It explains the founding of Goryeo from three fractured states - Silla , Baekje and Balhae. So it postdates Silla but predates Joseon. As for the hair, a bun at the top denotes his marital status. Those that wear it looser are not married. Or that's my understanding anyway. 

The scene with the King was priceless especially that bow at the end. And yes her schooling really saved the day! Pity she doesn't remember much else.

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@KdramaSwimmer Your doing a great job good-job-onion-head-emoticon.gif

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I have just read the lyrics of - Forgetting You - (sang by Davichi) that were posted here. Really sad...beautiful and sad. :dissapointed_relieved:

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I know we shouldn't compare...but I was watching Bu Bu Jing Xin a bit (haven't finished), and I noticed that Ruoxi seems to know her history better on Qing than Hae Soo on Goryeo. Just a teeny-tiny thought...since I heard that BBJX ends with history not changing despite Ruoxi's involvement, I think it's possible the writer of Moon Lovers made Hae Soo not knowing her history well on purpose. Hae Soo is quite an upright person judging from her asking for the 10th and 4th to apologize for their fault in earlier episodes, an upright person would want to change everything for the better, if they can prevent tragedies, they would do anything for it. If Hae Soo knows her history better, the possibility of her wanting to change the past would be bigger. But this can be a double edged sword though, Hae Soo can still change the past without her knowing it if she doesn't know her history well.

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7 minutes ago, shiraru said:

I know we shouldn't compare...but I was watching Bu Bu Jing Xin a bit (haven't finished), and I noticed that Ruoxi seems to know her history better on Qing than Hae Soo on Goryeo. Just a teeny-tiny thought...since I heard that BBJX ends with history not changing despite Ruoxi's involvement, I think it's possible the writer of Moon Lovers made Hae Soo not knowing her history well on purpose. Hae Soo is quite an upright person judging from her asking for the 10th and 4th to apologize for their fault in earlier episodes, an upright person would want to change everything for the better, if they can prevent tragedies, they would do anything for it. If Hae Soo knows her history better, the possibility of her changing the past would be bigger. But this can be a double edged sword though, Hae Soo can still change the past without her knowing it if she doesn't know her history well.

 

My theory on the reason why the writers wrote that Hae Soo not knowing her history fully is because like you said if she knows she could want to change history knowing the outcome of their fates. Like in BBJX when Ruoxi knew all the princes fate, she still went ahead and warn 8th to be careful of 4th in which he then aimed to get rid of 4th in which pushed 4th to want the throne. If Hae Soo knew before hand the outcome of the princes she would want to prevent it from happening even though she knows she shouldn't change history. She does remember that out of the princes, one of them will be king and be cruel toward the others but she doesn't know which one. I think the writers tend to do that so when she realized it was 4th all along, she then realized that her presence was the trigger to the history even though the outcome didn't change. Maybe that's how the writers are going to justify for her going back to the past, the astronomer probably went to the future to get modern day Hae Soo cause he knows that 4th is fated to be king and will be since he time traveled but in order to put it in motion he needs somebody to trigger it and that would be Hae Soo. I feel like the writers want Hae Soo to be the trigger that cause it all since probably like in the cversion, she was written out of history so her existence is not present. She probably would remember her history along the way of the journey its like teaching history to a kid. Plus the writers want to make sure they don't change too much cause neitizens will complain that its straying away from the history 

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@shiraru Rouxi tried to change it. That's why after they broke up, she warned the 8th about the 4th to avoid bloodshed. Ironically, because of her warning, 8th decided to go against the 4th, and thus the tragedies happened and nothing was changed in the history. So, i think regardless of what Rouxi/HS will do in the past, it won't change the history. 

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Hae Soo not knowing that much about history is actually very realistic (in fact, some think she knows too much). I didn't know much about Gwangjong until I watched Shine or Go Crazy, either. Most Koreans know more about Joseon than Goryeo anyway. Hae Soo remembers a lot more from the history classes in middle/high school than I do. (Granted, I'm much older than Go Ha Jin... But even in my twenties, I wouldn't have remembered anything about Gwangjong killing most of his brothers.) Plus, history is not a subject that is emphasized in the Korean education system.

Besides, we have Choi Ji Mong who seems to be another time traveller who's been messing with history... 

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@Immortal_Angel Interesting...so there's a possibility Ji Mong the astronomer planned Ha Jin / Hae Soo to be time-travelled from the start. From episode 1, I was wondering if Hae Soo's time travelling is on purpose or she simply just a variable; she's just at the wrong place at a wrong time when the drowning kid and the eclipse happened, but if your theory is true, then Ji Mong is the most calculative and cunning character in the drama in my opinion, and he didn't even appear often!

@ShinRaeMi Aaah I see...that sound intense...I'm scared to watch BBJX till the end, I'm afraid my heart can't take it if it ends with sadness, aaaaa... :tears:

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2 hours ago, shana0127 said:

I have been haunting this place since long. And after reading comments and watching all episodes with sub all i wanna say is that i am loving it :-)

@shana0127, welcome to ML:SHR thread   :)

 

2 hours ago, shiraru said:

I know we shouldn't compare...but I was watching Bu Bu Jing Xin a bit (haven't finished), and I noticed that Ruoxi seems to know her history better on Qing than Hae Soo on Goryeo. Just a teeny-tiny thought...since I heard that BBJX ends with history not changing despite Ruoxi's involvement, I think it's possible the writer of Moon Lovers made Hae Soo not knowing her history well on purpose. Hae Soo is quite an upright person judging from her asking for the 10th and 4th to apologize for their fault in earlier episodes, an upright person would want to change everything for the better, if they can prevent tragedies, they would do anything for it. If Hae Soo knows her history better, the possibility of her changing the past would be bigger. But this can be a double edged sword though, Hae Soo can still change the past without her knowing it if she doesn't know her history well.

@shiraru, interesting thoughts...  I saw several commentators who mentioned that Ruoxi knew her history far better than Hae-Soo. But it is also important to remember, I think, that in the end, Ruoxi was not able to change the course of history.

I find it interesting. There are other movies/tv from around the world about time travel about wanting to change the past, in which we see that the past "does not want to change," or that there are consequences to changing it.
 

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Korean drama "Signal" and "Nine:Nine Time Travel" are two examples that come to mind.
Also an American TV series I am watching now about the Kennedy assassination "11-22-63"

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14 minutes ago, ShinRaeMi said:

@shiraru Rouxi tried to change it. That's why after they broke up, she warned the 8th about the 4th to avoid bloodshed. Ironically, because of her warning, 8th decided to go against the 4th, and thus the tragedies happened and nothing was changed in the history. So, i think regardless of what Rouxi/HS will do in the past, it won't change the history. 

 

Also I feel like the writers want to show that even with time travel, there are things that are destined to happen and nothing can really change it even with somebody from modern time. There are things that happen for a reason and it needs something to push it in order for it to fall into place. That's why I feel the astronomer knew that before hand and meeting modern Hae Soo wasn't just a coincidence  

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2 hours ago, uuugogirl said:

Gosh, so these two costumes...
....must be King and Queen's outfits :scream:  No wonder those two costumes look so similar in appearance and detail :cry: now i notice that Hanna's character even wears a tiara in that poster  :scream:

If YeonHwa becomes the queen, it will be the end of the world for me :scream: That evil princess  is even worse than Red Queen Sms, she hates Haesoo and wants to abuse her all the time :bawling:   

 

 

Great catch! Oh noes ;__; I knew from the start that there was no happy ending for this drama, but the angst will be so much worse than I imagined I guess. I can't fathom the stress and the sadness Hs will have to endure. This is going to be heart wrenching ;__;

On the issue of Hs not being knowledgeable on history; I think she will try to change the course of events, because in the long preview when she says "I can do it, I'm not going to cast a blind eye. I'm not going to let anyone become unfortunate" it sounds to me like she intends to do something. Somehow she will find out about it all then, maybe from the astronomer? 

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First, I prefer to think more about the evolution of WS-HS relationship than the ending itself or when WS will get married to YH as I want to enjoy their falling in love with each other and their kiss!!:wub:

Then I would like to comment on the relationship between Wang So and his father, something we didn't talk much about. It was more about the Queen Yoo and her reason why she rejected Wang So. However, Wang So was also neglected and rejected by his own father. Why did he send Wang So away or accept to have his son adopted by the Kang's from Shinju in the first place? I mean, he could have chosen someone else. 

While Yoo wanted to get rid of Wang So because he was the perpetual reminder of her failure by blackmailing Taejo, Taejo's reasons could have been that he thought that Wang So must have blamed him for his scar due his refusal to the Queen Yoo. In my opinion, since Wang So was the one in danger, Taejo thought, Wang So must have resented him for threatening his life and inflicting his wound on the face. This explains why Taejo is so suspicious of Wang So the entire time. He has the idea that the event must have created a riff between him and Wang So, while thinking the incident must have brought Wang So closer to his mother. He thinks that Wang So would do anything to hurt his father as he only cared for the Crown Prince and more for his future wife. This reveals how distant Taejo has become from the Queen Yoo as he is totally unaware that Wang So is rejected by his own mother. Taejo knew exactly what was happening to Wang So the entire time (the hostage situation) but he didn't care as he always thought that since the incident with the knife Wang So had become a danger to him and the Crown Prince. When he asked Wang So about his adoption, Taejo said that the adoption happened because the lady from Kang had just lost his son. The king asked as if he had no idea about the real situation. Actually, he wants to know if his son resents him for the banishment and his suffering. This is a trap in order to find out if Wang So is still mad at his father and will do anything to hurt him. His answer is

By saying that he was just a hostage, he is not blaming his father. He blames his adoptive family that only saw him as hostage. His answer implies that his father never intented such a situation which is incorrect, yet he doesn't see his father as responsible for his misery.  

In the end Wang So is able to push aside all the suspicions his father had about him:

 - he was never close to his brother Yo and his mother Yoo

- finally the prince claims, he is a subject to the king and the Crown Prince. By saying so, he kind of cut ties with his father and his own mother proving to the king that he didn't resent him for the past as the king had thought.     

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