[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[akinahana89]

20 minutes ago, Immortal_Angel said:

Also remember when it was 10th prince bday the king arranged him to marry 8th prince wife sister in which later on she ran out of the carriage being unreasonable that 8th knocked her out. She was unhappy to see a cheerful 10th prince force into a marriage he doesnt want. In this one im sure she will be outspoken about it 

 

We may not see the arranged marriage between 10th Prince and 8th Prince's sister in MLSHR. After all, 8th Prince's sister is Yeon Hwa and she's basically a silent participant in the struggle for power. 10th Prince also doesn't stand a high chance of getting the throne and I can't see any reason why the King would find it suitable to wed 10th Prince and Yeon Hwa. Plus, Yeon Hwa is only interested in Wang So.

Whereas in the C-version, while 8th Prince's sister is capable of running the household, much like Yeon Hwa, she doesn't desire power and she has no person of interest. 8th Prince's sister is a supporting character and isn't all that significant. But, I feel, Yeon Hwa serves a higher purpose here, especially if she's capable of succeeding in her schemes and, ultimately, does become queen.

Which is why I think arranging a marriage between Yeon Hwa and 10th Prince would contribute nothing to the plot and even goes against history.

Of course, we could simply see 10th Prince forced into a marriage with some random princess or lady instead of Yeon Hwa, which could make more sense. And if 10th Prince is against it because he doesn't love the woman, then I'm certain Hae Soo will have something to say about that as well, but... I guess we'll see. ^^

 

[briseis]

“It was you who bumped into me.”

But it was HIM who was looking for her and approached her first!

“You were always acting like you wanted to kill me. I am curious about why the winds changed.”

This is such a pertinent question, not that So would answer it because he probably can’t pinpoint the exact reason himself, but it isn’t something that would be abrupt or came out of nowhere either. From the moment he met her, each of their numerous interactions has deepened the connection between them. Contrary to some opinions, he isn’t in love with her, not yet. What draws So to Hae Soo is a combination of gratitude, sympathy and curiosity. It’s a start for any relationship, isn’t it? Because how can you be caring without being curious in the first place? And he is beginning to care which is basically a point of no return for him because he is someone who cares and feels too much, while completely lacking the capacity to hide it. A quality which makes him the diametrical opposite of the polite, but reserved Wook and the original 4th Prince in the novel who was the epitome of cold, reserved, suspicious and calculating. When you look at So’s and Hae Soo’ developing relationship like that it also explains why he saved her from the beating - he owns her and feels grateful to her. And now he begins to actively look for her and approach her motivated by curiosity about this woman who treats him like no one else, without any fear or prejudice; who doesn’t judge him, who understands him and knows how to console him, who even stopped him from hurting himself and is so nice to him, and no one has ever been so openly, genuine kind to him. She must seem almost surreal to him. so of course he becomes so utterly intrigued and captivated by her.

“I didn’t say I saw your face. I kept my promise.”

WS is so stunned and baffled while HS is ranting, but not only because he would be shocked by her audacity to give him such a dressing-down, but because he realizes he was the reason for her beating and he is amazed that she would go to such length to keep her promise to him. It hits something deep in him because no one has ever been so loyal to him before. The sheer incredulity and disbelief with which he asks her whether she isn’t afraid of him is then replaced by shocked wonder at her answer.

“However, do not say I ‘belong’ to you ever again… I’m a person, not an item or an animal. How can you say I belong to you or anyone else?”

“Then… Should I call you my ‘person’?”

The humorous music actually belies the profound meaning of this whole exchange - when WS asks HS why can’t he say she belongs to him, there is a hint of vulnerabilty to his puzzlement. And when he gets her meaning, realizing that she isn’t really rejecting him, you can spot the relief in his eyes.

The whole moment actually echoes So’s previous conversation with Wook who told him that no one BELONGED to him, that SHE did not BELONG to him, and that she is HIS (WOOK’S) PERSON. So it’s actually really lovely when So half-jokingly asks Hae So whether he should call HIS PERSON. What makes it even more poignant is the fact that he feels the need to ask her.

When she leaves he even looks back over his shoulder after her; and this time when So smiles he doesn’t even stop himself because this happiness he feels around her no longer comes as a suprise to him.

 

[itzibitzispider]

15 minutes ago, MadraRua said:

 

@itzibitzispider 

Remember when she surprised him in the bath scene without his mask? He dropped it then and she picked it up.

Edit: Sorry I didn't read your question right. I don't think it's the same hairpin, he hasn't given it to her yet and they wouldn't cut an important scene like that out.

 

I thought so much, too ... but if you compare the hairpin she wears and the one he holds after her beating by th eprincess ,,,, it is with orange perls ... looks to me like THE hairpin .... anyhow seams I did not miss it

 

[akinahana89]

27 minutes ago, itzibitzispider said:

Watched the 5th ... I need to ask ... might be stupid or useless or I just missed the spot

When did HS get the Butterfly hairpin from WS?
After she delivered the letter or rather emoji to WW she wears the Butterfly-hairpin ....

*confused*

 

They look similar, but it's actually two different hairpins. ^^

 

 

[itzibitzispider]

10 minutes ago, akinahana89 said:

 

They look similar, but it's actually two different hairpins. ^^

 

 

Thanx
What a relief ... I thought I missed a crucial scene and am to stupid to know when

[mintkiss]

@akinahana89 correct me if I'm wrong, but 10th is forced to marry the general's daughter I believe...

[sugarista]

59 minutes ago, Immortal_Angel said:

 

I'm guessing the motivation is probably Hae Soo and I have a feeling that 8th is actually ambition for the throne he's just not showing it yet. The way when he got annoyed when WS said HS is his and 8th replied nobody is his meaning he is possessive so I have a feeling that when HS begins to fall for WS that's what pushed him to probably want to fight for the throne

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maybe they changed 13th and 14th role. cause Lady Hae said HS reminded her of 13th alot so he might fall for HS and his character remind me of 14th in BBJX. 14th so far is too playful and i feel like he's not mature 

 

 

 

 

Your analysis is rational. I see 8th/WW to be possessive of HS so there's a probability that she will still be the cause of the fight. I'm wondering as well, how will she blame herself in the future.. if what happened, happened.. Anyway since the plot is really different from the original, we people that watched the BBJX got to enjoy Moonlovers in completely different experience.

 

I want more, I promised to watch it when subtitle is out, but again I end up watching the episodes 2 to 3 times, from live streaming, without sub and lastly with subs. Haha

 

[akinahana89]

16 minutes ago, mintkiss said:

@akinahana89 correct me if I'm wrong, but 10th is forced to marry the general's daughter I believe...

 

If you're talking about the Mongolian clan with Princess Min Min, she falls in love with 13th Prince, but they don't get married because he doesn't not want to marry her. Later on, her father arranges for her to marry Prince Zuo Ying, which she throws a tantrum over, only to fall in love with him at first sight.

10th Prince marries the lady who pushes Ruo Xi down the stairs. But I think I'm still mistaken. She's not 8th Prince's sister, but 8th Prince's first wife's sister. ^^;

[pwnkl]

@bebebisous33 That's an interesting subject. In the trailer Yo stated that the bloodshed happened because of King Taejo's favoritism.. for several reasons, I find his statement fitting.. but not really sure. If he actually does favor one of his child because of affection or just simply because it's the best interest of his kingdom? (him embracing the throne more results being a lousy father) Actually I find him equally cold-blooded to Queen Yoo.. or worst more, at least Queen Yoo is brutally candid on how she despise So. That might be one of the reason why King Taejo sent him to shinju and all, but I can't still shake the main idea that he sent him to shinju because of his face.. if what I read in here was a fact during that during the early era.. that scarred face of So is denied by most and must likely to taint his dynasty.. and as a proud reputable king it's not acceptable..so he neglected him, he gave him away coz that's the only useful thing left that So is capable of.. if only he could cut blood ties, he will.. he'll probably suck out his blood from So, IMO. But then the tides change.. he's now useful to him. A shield to his "beloved?" crown prince, which infuriates me more 

Does he really favored the crown prince because she loves her mother more than the others(if this theory is accurate) or because of the crown prince's star shines the brightest(according to Ji Mong) that'll intensify his legacy. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to shade him negatively.. for who knows that all the bad-cop-deeds is actually because he just wants the best for his people (I know it's too early for me to judge.. but as of now that's how I have decipher King Taejo)? Then I won't discredit him.. He's a great king-- (but I can't close my eyes, he's horrible as a father). or worst case it's all just to feed his ambition. -- So if ever I was right then this is an up vote for Yo.

Spoiler: This is just me hitting nirvana to pre-occupy myself from getting crazy waiting for episode 6 . Pardon me big time please! (You're free to ignore my absurdity  HAHAHAHA!) 

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I don't know but I'm kinda caught up with the idea on how the astronomer is behind the time travel or what's the actual reason of the time travel to begin with. I actually came up with a full-of-holes-basis and might be a complete non-sense.. but what if, a complete what if.. Ha Jin is originally from Goryeo's era? I mean what's the use of bringing Ha Jin along with him.. if right now he's a huge influence to King Taejo and to the princes.. I believe by controlling the most powerful piece is enough to engineered things. One more thing if the writer's goal is something like Ji Mong wise words "Your life can't change just because you want it to" that means no matter how Ha Jin as Soo steer the ship it's destination will never change -- what's written in history is bound to happen. Maybe Ha Jin is a real catalyst from Goryeo that wasn't written in history (I think this was already mentioned, pardon me but let me borrow your idea)  and choose to forget because of all the misery and despair, thus reincarnated her in the 21st century as So is actually waiting for her to remember him that might be the reason why she was sent back to Goryeo, to recognize So (in the 21st century)

[akinahana89]

7 minutes ago, pwnkl said:

Spoiler: This is just me hitting nirvana to pre-occupy myself from getting crazy waiting for episode 6 . Pardon me big time please! (You're free to ignore my absurdity  HAHAHAHA!) 

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I don't know but I'm kinda caught up with the idea on how the astronomer is behind the time travel or what's the actual reason of the time travel to begin with. I actually came up with a full-of-holes-basis and might be a complete non-sense.. but what if, a complete what if.. Ha Jin is originally from Goryeo's era? I mean what's the use of bringing Ha Jin along with him.. if right now he's a huge influence to King Taejo and to the princes.. I believe by controlling the most powerful piece is enough to engineered things. One more thing if the writer's goal is something like Ji Mong wise words "Your life can't change just because you want it to" that means no matter how Ha Jin as Soo steer the ship it's destination will never change -- what's written in history is bound to happen. Maybe Ha Jin is a real catalyst from Goryeo that wasn't written in history (I think this was already mentioned, pardon me but let me borrow your idea)  and choose to forget because of all the misery and despair, thus reincarnated her in the 21st century as So is actually waiting for her to remember him that might be the reason why she was sent back to Goryeo, to recognize So (in the 21st century)

 

I just got chills while reading this. It's an amazing "what if" and one that I can actually see, if all the pieces can align together this way. This is why I love this thread! So many ideas, theories, and possibilities!

[mintkiss]

20 minutes ago, akinahana89 said:

 

If you're talking about the Mongolian clan with Princess Min Min, she falls in love with 13th Prince, but they don't get married because he doesn't not want to marry her. Later on, her father arranges for her to marry Prince Zuo Ying, which she throws a tantrum over, only to fall in love with him at first sight.

10th Prince marries the lady who pushes Ruo Xi down the stairs. But I think I'm still mistaken. She's not 8th Prince's sister, but 8th Prince's first wife's sister. ^^;

 

whoops, I was referring to the k-version 10th prince and the earlier discussion re possible marriage between him and princess yeonghwa. ^^ sorry, I should probably read all pages first before responding XD

but you're right, in the c-version the emperor arranges a marriage between 10th and 8th's first wife's little sister (who yes, pushed RuoXi down the stairs and was her rival in the beginning of the story lol)

[qwenli]

5 hours ago, minmar said:

Re:Dr Myri Blogspot.  Just from the style of writing and the interspersing of that running commentary,,, I would guesstimate that the the author of this blog is an overly self impressed 20 something with descent writing skills, bad acne and nothing else to do but start a blog. IF not they should be. I get the impression he likes rubbing people the wrong way... en masse.

Yes, I read a few lines and stop because it was clearly a juvenile rant to me. 

We have to be mindful of what we read. Everyone can create blogs and write reviews in this digital age and although everyone has a writing style preference,  we don't have to take every piece of writing seriously. 

Can you imagine if even 1% of the 100mil viewers of China write a review each week? That's like a million reviews?

Anyway, in my early days of soompi, I have to confessed I picked a few fights too. Lol. All part of growing up, I guess.

That said, the week has whizzed by and we are on Friday already! Monday is not far now!

[shinaabby]

 

Hello! This is my first time actually being involved with this thread and "contributing" I guess you could say. I don't really use my Soompi account, but ever since MLSHR was released I have been silently reading all your insights and analysis! (Creepy I know hahah)

 

Well I just wanted to comment that I really liked how the hair pin is already presented in the korean ver. Not sure whether this will be a spoiler to BBJX, but just in case it might, I'll hide it lol.

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Im not sure if the hair pin that WS got for his mom is actually the magnolia hair pin that the 4th prince in BBJX gave Ruo Xi. But I think WS will definitely give the hairpin to HS later on in the series instead because she's now the woman who he loves and cares for the most. It used to be his mother's love that he wanted, but later on it will eventually be HS's heart that he yearns for. Therefore, he will give it to her — or rather put it on her hair like the 4th prince did for RuoXi (he did this the second time he presented her with the hairpin since the first one broke).

 

 

I don't know if someone already mentioned this or not — if you did, sorry I didn't mean to repeat what you said (its hard sometimes catching up with everyone). I think most people who watched BBJX and are now watching MLSHR are predicting this too 

 

[Immortal_Angel]

1 hour ago, akinahana89 said:

 

We may not see the arranged marriage between 10th Prince and 8th Prince's sister in MLSHR. After all, 8th Prince's sister is Yeon Hwa and she's basically a silent participant in the struggle for power. 10th Prince also doesn't stand a high chance of getting the throne and I can't see any reason why the King would find it suitable to wed 10th Prince and Yeon Hwa. Plus, Yeon Hwa is only interested in Wang So.

Whereas in the C-version, while 8th Prince's sister is capable of running the household, much like Yeon Hwa, she doesn't desire power and she has no person of interest. 8th Prince's sister is a supporting character and isn't all that significant. But, I feel, Yeon Hwa serves a higher purpose here, especially if she's capable of succeeding in her schemes and, ultimately, does become queen.

Which is why I think arranging a marriage between Yeon Hwa and 10th Prince would contribute nothing to the plot and even goes against history.

Of course, we could simply see 10th Prince forced into a marriage with some random princess or lady instead of Yeon Hwa, which could make more sense. And if 10th Prince is against it because he doesn't love the woman, then I'm certain Hae Soo will have something to say about that as well, but... I guess we'll see. ^^

 

 

lol what I meant was that in this version it looks like 10th prince might be hook up probably with another girl possible since we all know in history Yeon Hwa is suppose to be with Wang So. I remember in the trailer there was a female warrior that took interest in 10th, maybe she is arrange to marry him instead? I'm curious who is going to take interest in Seohyun character. I'm getting 13 and 14 confused all the time lol I just know when 13th is on screen is when he has some ornament hanging from his hair 

[UnniSarah]

18 hours ago, onnififi said:

 

Annyeonghasaeyo my first time writing here and long time no see everyone!!

Hello my dear chingus @bebebisous33 and @UnniSarah as usual love...love reading your thoughts! Group hugsssss!

Annyeonghaseyo Chingu @onnififi  so glad to see you here Chingu. Lots of hugs to you .

[MoOnLoVeRz]

 

[Misstwilightfan1416]

Yay!!! It reached 600 Million views on Youku!!!! Here's the fan account of this drama on twitter^^

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[briseis]

THEY ARE SIMPLY MEANT TO BE! She is basically a walking magnet on trouble while he is the feared Wolf Prince and just the mere sight of him drives everyone away in panic (the perks of being known as the nation’s worst nightmare). It feels almost pre-destined that with her penchant for trouble he would become her own guardian wolf! 

I love how So comes running the moment he notices Hae Soo is up to something because by now he learned she attracts trouble as flame does a moth, or rather she simply charges right into it - in the few weeks they’ve known each other she almost fell from that road, then she hit a prince, jumped on him in the bath and got involved in a treasonous plot. Interestingly, he was always there getting her out of it. And once again, he is there, sword drawn, promising death to everybody who dares to threaten her.

I love that little moment when they look at each other - it feels so private and even though they don’t say anything, you can read the emotions in their eyes - her gratitude, his answer that he accepts it, their mutual understanding. And in that fleeting moment they almost appear as a chivalrous knight and a lady he came to rescue. But it’s almost over before you notice it. 

Hopefully, he didn’t expect hug from her for his epic rescue because those are obviously reserved for the cute and “traumatizied” victim. LOL. But on a second thought, judging from his WTF expression perhaps he wouldn’t mind getting a hug himself.

[akinahana89]

22 minutes ago, Immortal_Angel said:

 

lol what I meant was that in this version it looks like 10th prince might be hook up probably with another girl possible since we all know in history Yeon Hwa is suppose to be with Wang So. I remember in the trailer there was a female warrior that took interest in 10th, maybe she is arrange to marry him instead? I'm curious who is going to take interest in Seohyun character. I'm getting 13 and 14 confused all the time lol I just know when 13th is on screen is when he has some ornament hanging from his hair 

 

lol. Sorry, I guess I went off in a completely different direction. At least it helped me refresh my memory for the c-version. LOL.

I get 13th and 14th mixed up sometimes too since I find them a little similar in appearance and I'm not very familiar with either of them. I've never seen Ji Soo in a drama before and my only experience with Nam Joo Hyuk was in Surplus Princess. (But I just remember that 14th prince has smaller eyes than 13th. LOL)

[hiluna]

1 hour ago, pwnkl said:

Spoiler: This is just me hitting nirvana to pre-occupy myself from getting crazy waiting for episode 6 . Pardon me big time please! (You're free to ignore my absurdity  HAHAHAHA!) 

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I don't know but I'm kinda caught up with the idea on how the astronomer is behind the time travel or what's the actual reason of the time travel to begin with. I actually came up with a full-of-holes-basis and might be a complete non-sense.. but what if, a complete what if.. Ha Jin is originally from Goryeo's era? I mean what's the use of bringing Ha Jin along with him.. if right now he's a huge influence to King Taejo and to the princes.. I believe by controlling the most powerful piece is enough to engineered things. One more thing if the writer's goal is something like Ji Mong wise words "Your life can't change just because you want it to" that means no matter how Ha Jin as Soo steer the ship it's destination will never change -- what's written in history is bound to happen. Maybe Ha Jin is a real catalyst from Goryeo that wasn't written in history (I think this was already mentioned, pardon me but let me borrow your idea)  and choose to forget because of all the misery and despair, thus reincarnated her in the 21st century as So is actually waiting for her to remember him that might be the reason why she was sent back to Goryeo, to recognize So (in the 21st century)

Hold that thought, it may not be that absurd. If you remember at the beginning saying that she wished she could sleep for a hundred or a thousand years and forget everything, so maybe it is time for her to wake up and remember everything in the distant past. Not a bad ending