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[junejungki]

12 minutes ago, LyraYoo said:

 

 

BBJX

 

 

6 MIN PREVIEW

 

Woo Hee jump from the palace balcony or jump into the water?? Aigoo!! This is the one drama where most character died.  I am so depress already.

[Gabi Bros]

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Jesus Christ!!!! Wohee is going to commit suicide and Baek Ah is going to see that?!!!

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In BBJX, 13th prince never knew she commited suicide. He suffered thinking she abandoned him. Ruoxi and 4th prince knew about her suicide but they hide it.

 This writer is truly a sadist. Forget the happy ending.  

[karenestoya]

Our fandom OSTs are on the lead in spotify!! I am so happy for us!! Let's continue supporting MLSHR. I will miss the hype on every release of the episodes. Thank you so much everyone for being active. This is my very first kdrama that I got hooked and with your support I was able to carry on despite the heartaches.  Thank you everyone! I will never forget this fandom. 

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[Jemara]

http://www.topstarnews.net/detail.php?number=221485

 

[antiherofans]

14 minutes ago, Gabi Bros said:

We don't deserve this! 

 

Yes, we don't

[Evelyn C]

4 minutes ago, junejungki said:

Woo Hee jump from the palace balcony or jump into the water?? Aigoo!! This is the one drama where most character died.  I am so depress already.

Hi @junejungki! In C-BBJX,

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Lu Wu drowned herself in a river

 - it appears Woo Hee

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is throwing herself from the palace balcony onto the palace grounds

... Which doesn't make it better for us or our poor Baek-Ah...

[antiherofans]

7 minutes ago, Gabi Bros said:

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Jesus Christ!!!! Wohee is going to commit suicide and Baek Ah is going to see that?!!!

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In BBJX, 13th prince never knew she commited suicide. He suffered thinking she abandoned him. Ruoxi and 4th prince knew about her suicide but they hide it.

 This writer is truly a sadist. Forget the happy ending.  

 

Can we chip in and sent the writer into therapy? I am worried about him/her.

I think he/she is a true sadist

12 minutes ago, Evelyn C said:

That's a great way to look at it  At least this way, we can only be surprised... We can expect that the Angel of Death will appear yet again with Im Sun Hae's voice accompanying him - Will there be anyone we care about left in Goryeo???

 

Well at least the horses will survive

[ShaiKeun]

22 minutes ago, junejungki said:

Hallelujah!! TQ sis. You made my day

Thank you for posting this! You made my day too! 

[Evelyn C]

30 minutes ago, antiherofans said:

 

Can we chip in and sent the writer into therapy? I am worried about him/her.

I think he/she is a true sadist

 

Well at least the horses will survive

You are right - Maybe this is a subliminal cry for help by the writer. We think we have a problem with sadism, meanwhile the writer has gone to the limits... Granted, the C-BBJX was just as painful - the last few episodes just hurt to watch (more painful than any breakup) Anyway, true that about the horses - Our true OTP!

[junejungki]

5 minutes ago, Evelyn C said:

Hi @junejungki! In C-BBJX,

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Lu Wu drowned herself in a river

 - it appears Woo Hee

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is throwing herself from the palace balcony onto the palace grounds

... Which doesn't make it better for us or our poor Baek-Ah...

Oh!! Dear, oh! dear. I really badly need a therapy after this drama.

[40somethingahjumma]

Although I support Su's decision to leave the palace for many reasons... some I've listed on previous posts, the person I really, really feel for after re-watching Ep. 18 is So. Watching him forced to reinvent himself just so he can avenge the woman he loves truly breaks my heart. All his old ruthlessness coming to the fore as he plays the political game with people more experienced in it than he is, is undoubtedly breaking his heart too. And now of course he's grappling with his greatest fear of becoming a monster in her eyes, all done for the love of Hae Su. The irony is not lost on him, I'm sure. There's a part of me that wishes that the Chunju and Hwangbo clans hadn't pushed him so hard to give Su up... they should have tried to make a deal with him... making the way for him to marry both women but giving YH the higher status. Now he's majorly pissed about having to break her heart again, he's embarking on a rampage. But maybe it wouldn't have worked anyway because he really wanted to be totally devoted to her and not have her share him with someone else. Everybody wants what they want... nobody wants to share or compromise especially when they think/know that they have the upperhand.

It is this all or nothing scenario that I'm interested in. Sometimes it's referred to in the drama as "greed". It has certainly been a recurring theme all throughout the drama but especially in these last couple of episodes. And it's tied to the theme of the sovereignty of fate. 

I call it the law of the zero-sum game. 

Many of you have been so kind in your comments about my posts but I don't really have any special insight into these episodes. All I've really done is considered the drama in its entirety and looked for patterns and recurring themes within individual episodes and throughout the series. That allows me to connect the dots and make sense of the big picture and where the writer's going. The big picture I see is that nobody can get everything they want no matter how much they want it.

The thing I liked about the ending of Ep. 16 was So's declaration that he wanted to have both the girl and the throne. It was a bold declaration in the face of what he's always been told by his elders that to gain the throne he had to "throw someone away". It was bold of him to eschew long standing political orthodoxy. Certainly I wondered if things would go his way. Now 2 episodes later, it appears that that declaration was pure defiance against the sovereignty of fate and it was always going to be a lost cause. Apparently Father's been right all along... no one can have both. Something's got to give.

One of the great myths of our time... perhaps the great lie... is that a person can have everything. I think it is the great lie often told to women... that they can have everything. A career, kids, marriage blah blah blah. In one sense it's true that women in modern contexts have more choices today than their grandmothers ever did but the reality is that no one can have everything. At least not all at the same time. Trying to have everything has brought about incredible stress to women in our day with the demands of child raising and keeping to a job pulling us in a hundred directions. And I say that from painful experience. The only reason why I can do a little bit of both is because I have an incredibly supportive husband. But to be honest, I don't do either as well as I would like.

There is a similar theme going on in ML. I noticed overnight that many of us have identified fate's hand in pushing Su and So together while pulling them apart. There is also a sense that inherent in love is a kind of greed. To love is to be greedy... in that it is all consuming and all-encompassing in its focus on the object of one's affections. When So only cared about Su, he could be the devoted suitor with no thought for anything else. But now that he is King as well, he cannot be entirely considerate of all her sensitivities lest he be thought weak. He has to make hard choices with larger considerations at play.

I think we saw that first with Uk. When he fell in love with Su, he was greedy enough to set aside his usual consideration for his wife and openly show his regard for Su (as open as a guy like Uk is capable of being). It should have been a hint to us and to him that the trajectory he was embarking on was potentially destructive but those were the early days. It's telling too that Uk has continued to be the primary instrument of thwarting So and Su’s coupling. 

So and Su have both been mugged by reality and have been forced to play the zero sum game. It was put to them that So had to choose… the throne or the woman, although for Su it was probably more the man she was supporting than the throne. I suppose she made his job a lot easier by pulling out first but she chose him over her own desire for personal happiness. There didn't seem to be any room for a middle ground. It was this or that, and it did make sense for the throne to come first because there were larger things at stake.

 

What struck me about Uk the second time I watched 17 was how he saw himself as some kind of arbiter of justice. He just couldn’t accept what he thought was the injustice of one being able to have it all. As everyone knows I'm hardly a fan of Uk but he did have a point. If he had to give up the girl to pursue the throne, why shouldn't So have to as well. Therefore to make a statement about the injustice that he had to suffer, he forced So to make a zero sum choice. A choice that So was recalcitrant about making... one he fought kicking and screaming... one he didn't want Su to make so he refused to talk to her about it.

It may have been a false choice on some level but with the Chunju clan scratching at his doorstep, it was clear that trying to hang on to girl and throne was a much bigger challenge than he had been ready for. 

Yeon Hwa put the same kind of zero sum option to Su. "We can co-exist", she said. Well, we know that she had no intention of co-existing but it was a negotiation tactic. Apparently she wants it all too... the throne, the man and his love but she plays her cards close to her chest. However, even if she has won the first round, winning the second and subsequent rounds is not going to be as easy. She herself is now forced into her own a zero sum game. She has to choose between the powers that threw their weight behind her and the King. To get what she ultimately wants, she cannot entirely rely on the power of those who got her through the first hoop. Now she has to bargain directly with the man who put the proposition to her because the terms of the game has changed.

So creates a similar scenario for Won... spill your guts or have your guts spilt... or boiled. I don't imagine that Won wanted his guts cooked so he talked. In the end CR was the scapegoat.

CR worked on similar principle. "I loved, I had no choice, so I did whatever he told me to."

Of course everyone has a choice even CR, the slave girl turned maid. In Won's case, he didn't like the alternative and in CR's case, she wasn't ready to abandon a long-term crush.

As I've said, I don't have any real serious issues with Su leaving So and the palace after recent events. She obviously feels that she's compromised too much and risks being swallowed up by dilemmas she didn't think she had signed up for. However, I have grave misgivings about her leaving with Jeong. Not only because he's a first class self-righteous dill but because Jeong represents everything that So couldn't have... a happy childhood with a loving mother. If she were to go with him, it will be the ultimate slap-in-the-face for So. Jeong may seem to represent a straight-arrow kind of dumb simplicity that will suit Su to the ground in terms of a quiet, peaceful existence. I imagine that's why he's being set up in that role BUT he also comes with family baggage. This is what really troubles me about this particular zero sum game. 

It's clear to me that the recent turn of events has awoken a sleeping dragon. Or to use the show's own metaphor, a napping wolf. Time and time again we see that people underestimate So, not only as a warrior but as a political opponent. Backing him into corners and tightening nooses round his neck aren't really that great in the long run. I think we're definitely witnessing his evolution as a politician in the way he triangulates with his adversaries. In a way I fear for them because they've unleashed a powerful weapon that they will have no control over. I imagine that once he starts, there's not stopping him. But frankly, I have a really tough time feeling sorry for any of them because they have brought this largely upon themselves.

[Jemara]

 

 

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 To YH, WON, Wook and writers 

[Killa92]

1 hour ago, Evelyn C said:

And just like Nicky Wu who married his co-star after BBXJ, Lee Jun Ki could marry IU. Okay, let's stop, I'm going nuts.

  I knew IU already have bf. But how I wish they could be real couple in real life. Their chemistry is Boom!!!!

[violet90]

@40somethingahjumma

agreed!! all you said about So and Su situation... there can't be a middle ground now that So on throne.. i think slowly So realize that in matter of time that he can't have both no matter how badly he want both the throne and Su... that's why he changing his way after he married YH... they all pushing him to be like that... 

also now that Su is gone he will truly unleash the wolf dog that he really try so hard to keep inside him... i don't think any of YH or WW understand how far So will go now that they drive his heart apart from him and because of them he will loss Su forever... 

 

[MoOnLoVeRz]

still cuts!

[irene123]

22 minutes ago, Evelyn C said:

Hi @junejungki! In C-BBJX,

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Lu Wu drowned herself in a river

 - it appears Woo Hee

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is throwing herself from the palace balcony onto the palace grounds

... Which doesn't make it better for us or our poor Baek-Ah...

Wait, this is so terrible. Even worse than in the c-version BBJX (13th in c-version thought she left him, but RX and 4th didn't dare tell him the truth that 13th lover committed suicide). That is so cruel to our poor Baeh-Ah, the writer is truly killing every single happiness for all the characters. WS is the only living on but with YH, that's so terrible! TT WHY WHY

Just now, irene123 said:

Wait, this is so terrible. Even worse than in the c-version BBJX (13th in c-version thought she left him, but RX and 4th didn't dare tell him the truth that 13th lover committed suicide). That is so cruel to our poor Baeh-Ah, the writer is truly killing every single happiness for all the characters. WS is the only living on but with YH, that's so terrible! TT WHY WHY

In this cade, I demand a reunion of all my couples in present time, or I'll truly throw a tantrum.!!!!

[vwj1]

@40somethingahjumma Again, your writing is so on point and eloquent. I'm gonna stalk all your essays.  I think you mentioned that you teach writing? Your students are lucky to have you. 

[Evelyn C]

2 minutes ago, irene123 said:

Wait, this is so terrible. Even worse than in the c-version BBJX (13th in c-version thought she left him, but RX and 4th didn't dare tell him the truth that 13th lover committed suicide). That is so cruel to our poor Baeh-Ah, the writer is truly killing every single happiness for all the characters. WS is the only living on but with YH, that's so terrible! TT WHY WHY

In this cade, I demand a reunion of all my couples in present time, or I'll truly throw a tantrum.!!!!

That's our only hope now - the writer is determined to pulverize us to the end

[kiinn]

13 minutes ago, Gabi Bros said:

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Jesus Christ!!!! Wohee is going to commit suicide and Baek Ah is going to see that?!!!

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In BBJX, 13th prince never knew she commited suicide. He suffered thinking she abandoned him. Ruoxi and 4th prince knew about her suicide but they hide it.

 This writer is truly a sadist. Forget the happy ending.  

 

She's possessed, or bipolar. idk. they gave us such lovely episodes in the beginning, now when everyone is hooked and couldn't back off anymore, she's like, "GOTTA KILL THEM ALL"

God i need pot booze