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@qwenli -- I don't do Instagram unfortunately. Or any kind of social media. ;) I have a FB account lying dormant. It's all too time-consuming and I need to be careful with my online reputation.

But he seems really lovely though spending so much time interacting with fans and posting in English. Well, if he needs an English Teacher, I'm available. ;)

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37 minutes ago, kriswu said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just a couple of posts that I wholeheartedly agree with. You guys speak my mind.

When WS asked HS about WW, it wasn't about whether it's past tense or present tense. It IS the fact that it's Wook. I believe So is the type of person who doesn't gossip which is why he didn't know about WookSoo before. He's the it's-not-my-business-so-i'd-rather-not type even if it's about Soo's personal life. And that's what I like about him. He's not that pushy. (He is sometimes but he says it in a joking way.) For him, it's okay if Soo won't say I love you back as long as she lets him prove his love for her and allow him to be near her. For him, it's already more than enough and I think that's a really selfless act.

He's hurt when he hears about WookSoo because imagine finding out that the person you love wanted to/wants to marry the person you despise. Of course, the heartbreak and pain is tripled.

Added the fact that Soo hasn't really said I love you to him. Only promising that she'll stay by his side, that she'll never leave him. I know that actions speak louder than words but we are talking about SoSoo here! Episode 15 proved that they're the kind of couple who talks it out whenever they have problems, the couple who promised to never lie to each other (LOL), they've been depicted as the couple who has good communication and are open to each other. So I really wish she would tell him the 3 words. It was always So who gives more, loves more, offers more. And my heart breaks at the thought that he isn't even complaining and he's willing to do everything for her. For once, for this drama's sake and for our sake, I want to see her prove that she really loves So with her whole heart despite his flaws, accepting his good and bad side. That she loves him when he's happy and loves him even more when he's sad. Because that's what love should be, right? Even when she waited for him for two years, that just doesn't compare to the things he has done for her. Plus this quote about love reminded of So:

 Loving someone who cannot love you the same way in return is not weakness. It’s one of the most courageous things you’ll ever do. You are putting your armour at their feet and you are saying ‘I will not fight you in this. I have loved you and that means that I have already won.

And why are people hating him and blaming him for everything? Expecting him to be this good boy and all? Remember, ever since he was young, he was already broken and hurt. Soo was like a breath of fresh air to him and meeting her made him turn into the lovesick and cute puppy that we all love. We perceived him as "So is perfect he deserves all the love blah blah blah". But he can't stay that way forever. He needs to be strict and proper. A lot of y'all said that he changed. No. He just have a lot of responsibilities and to juggle both his love life + being a king, he is doing a great job. It's just that the events happened too fast that in the end, he basically got fed up of everything that's why he said those words to HaeSoo in the preview for Ep19. From Queen Yoo abandoning him, to Yeonhwa and Wook being a pain in the a**, to Chaeryung & Won... There's only so much a person can take. He's still human after all.

 

Preach it! i absolutely love your post!

There are a lot of people being harsh on WS, i dont see why?

As for the argument that WS shouldnt sleep with YH. Okay i get it yes so as to not push our otp apart. BUT! if WS had to be logical and strategic about it, sleeping with YH makes sense? if that cheating, urm they are married right? Yes i agree he never will love YH, but he does need a son. If not if he dies, the entire family will go again towards the road of blood shed.

WS's main reason of being king was to prevent anymore bloodshed. True i admit that he isnt quite upholding to his promise, but at least he has not killed any of his brothers since he became King. (I am not sure if that would change towards the later episodes)

I read one point of few that HS no longer wants to be with WS because he is withholding information from her, about the CR. But between the two, isnt HS withholding more? She never told WS about her relationship with WW initially, i think had she told her this whole misunderstanding would have been avoided, she also never really confess her feelings to him. Isnt it more or less the same as what WS is doing? And just to come to WS's defense, he is the king. how much trouble does he have, he cant tell her everything. Sometimes as King you have to react quickly, you cant expect him to always consult and share things with her right away.

 

(okay, i am doing defending WS.) :grimace:

rather than talking about WS anymore, i just wanna applaud (yet again) the brilliant acting by LJK. I mean i know he said before that he feels responsible as the drama lead to showcase good ratings. But at least for this drama, it has so many characters i dont think he should shoulder the whole blame. Besides it was the editing and sequences of the drama that makes it a pain to watch. LJK's acting was flawless, from being scary WS 2.0, to that heart broken WS when his mother died (w/o telling him she loved him), to that handsome smirk and those lovely stares at HS. it was just brilliant! :lol:

I know one of the highlight scene would be when WS learns that HS has passed, gosh i cant imagine how that acting will be like.

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3 hours ago, zi4r said:

BTS is adorable! I guess they realize the fans need some healing after the intense episode last night.

I haven't watched the episode with subs, even though (unlike Ep17) it was a visual-enough episode for me to almost fully understand what's going on. My US VPN is down (they promise to get it back up in the next 6 hours) and my China server is also going through maintenance, so I can't watch DF or Youku versions. DarkSmurfSubs aren't out yet either. So, for now, with the limited understanding of the episode, let me give a general opinion on its quality.....

 

 

IMO, Ep18 is very well done despite all the limitations/difficulties imposed on it by the plot setup to this point and the large ground it had to cover, given we have only 2 episodes left. Yes, they could've tightened up the editing a bit, but (well, I might be being extra-forgiving, after the abysmal editing quality of the previous episode but) they did it well enough for the editing to not detract from the plot and the tension it delivered. And deliver, it did!

To talk about the quality of the episode, I need to address the difficulties the episode had to overcome, and how I felt it sufficiently (actually, quite brilliantly at some points) overcame them. It is, IMO, one of the strongest episodes, because many things could have gone so wrong and yet they managed to make it work. Here's what I mean:

 

1) How they handled the progression of Hae Soo's character

I have given harsh criticism to how Hae Soo's character was painted in Ep14-16... and I felt it was intentional, and not a f-up by the writer or IU's acting. I was right. And I am so saddened by what the kind of role this drama has made this character fulfill.

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Ep 1-8: HS was an innocent, fish-out-of-water, trusting and giving girl. That made her a cute damsel-in-distress for her scenes with Wang So, and I had no problem with that. Because what else can we expect out of a girl trapped in a 16yo body due to a timeslip?

Ep 9-10: She had to deal with the visions. Yes, she fumbled along the way but at least for me, held herself admirably well, against the onslaught of confusion and fear imposed by the visions.

Ep 11-12: Here comes the breaking of her spirit. So much tragedy, so much heartbreak, so much pain..... yet, her quiet resilience and strength of character took my breath away and made me fall in love with her. There she was, a crippled laundry-maid, and yet she kept her heart true to the man she loved (WW) and also strove to protect the man who is madly in love with her (WS).

Ep 13: The true calling has come, for her time in Goryeo. I believed that she would play a pivotal role in the war over the throne. And there she was. This tiny figure, limping away..... yet so strong, making all the right decisions, taking on the weight of responsibilities no one in her station should have to bear.

Look at her character trajectory... Beautiful, isn't it? We were witnessing the true making of a person. So how did I expect that character to go from there? Up and up, of course... at least until GJ becomes King and breaks her heart, I thought. Here's what I was hoping for (inside spoiler tag):

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I was hoping that WS's love would begin to heal her... that she would become trusting and loving very few people, yet doing so more fully to those few people; that she would become wisened and hardened by time, and yet still retaining a warm heart... one that she only allows WS (and maybe a few close friends) to see. In later episodes, I had hopes that she could become his strength, not just as a lover but as a partner. Because being a courtlady means having the eyes-and-ears in every nook and crevice of the palace. Can you imagine how much of an asset that would have been to WS (let's say, as Chae-ryung was to WWon)?

It's not that I wanted WS to use her; but I was hoping she would still play a bigger role than just a dumb girlfriend to WS. Because someone as burdened as WS needs a strong partner... and the character trajectory of Ep1-13 proves that HS could have become that! Just imagine..... HS managing to uncover some conspiracy in the palace, and helping WS protect Mu... how nice it could have been!

Then, when GJ becomes King, I was hoping she could remain his confidante --- yes, he would marry YH, but HS would remain to be his strength, his love, his core of existence..... until one day, he goes too far and she cannot bear to embrace the man he has become. Then, the heartbreak would come for both parties, then HS dies/disappears, then modern era...... THE END.

Tragic or happy ending, it wouldn't have mattered much to me. If Hae Soo and Wang So have fully lived their time together, then it would have been worth it. I would have embraced that plot fully.

But rather than that, what did we get? We didn't get to see HS's "healing" because of the timeskip. Rather than as I have hoped, she has become the total opposite: (inside spoiler tag)

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A hardened woman that seems to be especially suspicious of and tough in judging WS. A woman efficient in menial labour of tending to the King (mercury poisoning non-withstanding) and the princes, but seems to have no other purpose or role in the palace life. (She, BA and WH could have been great source of strength and support for WS, but all three seem to have lost interest in serving any purpose other than to just exist.) And worse, once the events turned turbulent in Ep14, she was totally unprepared for it all, and she seems to not know at all where she stands in WS's life. (Well, she's right in feeling that she matters little in practical sense to him, because as I've said, she doesn't play any essential role in his life at all!)

So, since she doesn't have any other role in Ep14-17 than to be WS's love (and to make her visions not come true), her focus was entirely on that. And amidst all the death and tragedy and conspiracies, she becomes this woman focused on his feelings towards her, and nothing else. And oh how I LOATHED that. How dare they!!! They built a female character with such potential to be strong and wise and resilient... and then destroyed her mid-series and made her into this pathetic woman who just waits around for her man, one whose insecurities and emotions overrule logic at every turn.

Now that I've watched Ep18, I realize this is exactly how cruelly the writer wishes to paint this story. HS has never mattered much as a courtlady... and without those responsibilities, only as the King's lover, she matters even less now. Unlike YH or Queen Yoo or Woo-hee or even Chae-ryung, in the courtly game, she is utterly useless. Even if she could become a Concubine/Queen, she would still be just an accessory, the pretty girl on the King's arms. She has direct access to the King's ears, but the headstrong WS has never truly respected her enough when it comes to her opinions (Oh, he loves her and respects her feelings; but her thoughts and her advice? Not much.) and the full-efficiency-mode GJ respects it even less.

This makes for a very logical break in their relationship. There was no need for a real turning point. (Even CR's punishment and death was not really a turning point, because the relationship between HS and GJ (unlike that of HS and WS) has never really worked. Since he stepped on the throne, she already has no place in his life, even though she undoubtedly still occupies almost the whole of his heart.

 

So why do I feel Ep18 has done well about this character? HS's handling of WS's marriage to YH, his treatment of Queen Yoo & Jung, punishment & death of CR..... She handled them all with the maturity that I find so refreshing to see.

From her loving reassurance when they discussed the marriage...

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To her offer of comfort and acceptance despite her own misgivings about his treatment of Jung...

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(Just a side note here: This mirrors the first "makeup" scene. That was the last time he prevented her from touching the scar/face, right? IMO, he stopped her this time, because her touch would've undone him as always... and he was worried it would soften his resolve.)

And finally to the utterly betrayed and shattered look in her eyes when confronting him about CR...

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Each of those developments feels very well-earned. Unlike her almost-tantrums in Ep14-16, I feel her pain here EVERY step of the way. By the way, I am not hating on WS/GJ at all in this episode either (In fact, I love who he has become too; I will talk about it below), but I feel HS is finally back to being a true character, rather than just a shell of it. I know there are many in this thread that feel HS is too naive or asking for too much or whatever in this episode... but this is the most logical progression this character can go through after the mess of Ep14-17... and she herself is the most logical she has ever been in a very very long time!

I fully stand by her decision to leave the palace. WS/GJ needs to feel her void keenly so that he can do soul-searching of his own; the palace life is killing her inside out, and if there's any salvation she can find in that world, it is not in GJ anymore by this point. Yes, I am saddened and angered by all the opportunities lost in the previous episodes. But I hope her character find some peace and happiness... because HS/Go Ha-jin, you have suffered enough at the hands of this writer.

 

 

2) How Gwangjong turned "evil"

Now, here comes the fun part. 

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If there's anything this drama is lacking, it's justice... some sweet sweet justice. Time has been the only one that has been giving us any semblance of justice in this story. Taejo, the bad husband, the bad lover and the bad father? Well, he died of old age and yes, he yearned for Lady Oh at the end and it's oh so sad. But that's it; no other punishment for his tacit cruelty towards So and his mismanagement of many wives. Wang Yo, the puppet turned borderline-interesting villain? The guy who murdered his own innocent brother in cold blood? Gone. Died just on his own. Yes, he was barking mad by the end, but he didn't get to suffer a poetic end in the hands of someone out for revenge/justice. And sigh... what a waste.

So, to say the truth, I wasn't sure whether we're getting any satisfaction on this front. Before Ep18, the baddies left were: Queen Yoo, Yeon-hwa, Wang Wook and Wang Won. (Jung is just a stupid kid, so as much as I want to strangle him half the time, he's no evil.) I couldn't imagine WS killing his own mother; I know he's marrying YH so I was not sure how the show can deliver any good justice regarding her. So I was expecting WWon to fry this episode, and then WWook to fry the next episode. But I was not sure how well the show would handle either one of those frying, because WS has been saying over and over again about no more bloodshed between brothers.

Okay, first, let me talk about my disappointment: the WWon part. Aish!!! He deserves so much worse than just that grilling he received. I hope we're gonna see some more of what happened to him, but I think the show will disappoint me on this front.

But OMG!!! How I love the part with Queen Yoo! (Okay, just to warn you, I have serious mommy issues, so I'm sorry if I come across as insensitive.) The punishment for a woman who wouldn't look upon his face? She has to die looking at that face, with only him as her company. Part of me really really wants his scar to be more visible, and that to be the last thing she sees. But I guess, it might have made WS/GJ look weaker, I don't know. But as it is, it's already brilliant. Especially because they employed the flashback of his blood-splattered face from Ep4 soooo well. BAM! The impact.

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(Another side note: Who says we need guyliner to make someone evil? LJG is wearing the least eyeliner in this scene compared to his earlier WS scenes but look at that! A good actor doesn't just use sweat and tears for his acting..... snort and drool too! :P Gosh, he always gives it ALL to his performance, doesn't he?)

And from the direction the plot is heading, the punishment of YH and WWook will be very nicely intertwined, I am hoping. I will talk about YH character in the next section.

But most importantly, it's about how they handled the "turning into evil" that earned my applause. Because there's no real "turning" here. All the pain in WS has always been there, waiting to break through. The state of the nation, the court and its politics when he comes into power is a total mess. The nation has been festering; "evil" has been prospering and the innocents have been suffering.

Thus, as a newly crowned King, a house-cleaning --- a total purge, really --- becomes absolutely necessary. And that's all he's been doing. He can hardly be called ruthless at this point. Meeting with each individual, letting them know he knows of their crimes/their weakened position..... if they have something to offer in return --- something to bolster his power, something to prove their allegiance, something to trade --- they will have a position in his reign. Anyone else has to step aside. And of course, swift punishment to anyone who has ever committed crimes against the throne.

It seems, unlike HS, the timeskip has made WS a lot wiser in terms of politics. And I am happy to see some political intrigue bleed into this drama, because we've gotten so precious little of it in the previous 17 episodes.

Of course, there's still a chance that GJ will spiral totally out of control and become truly evil. But actually, it's no longer necessary. Now, he can just remain a King who is strict and swift in his dealings with his subjects --- one that is just and efficient, yet merciless against betrayal. (I suspect, that's who the real Gwangjong in history truly is.)

Why is truly-evil GJ not necessary anymore? Because the part about HS leaving him has nothing to do with him becoming evil. She is leaving him because even though she can forgive and understand him (and maybe even support the general direction of his decisions), she cannot stomach the reality of what is necessary to be King. And as I've said, she doesn't have a place in his life any longer, because she cannot fulfill the role of a cunning woman..... a worthy partner and right-hand woman to a monarch.

So now I understand why they butchered HS's character in Ep14-17. (At least, this is how I take it to be.) They did it to eliminate the need to make WS/GJ truly ruthless. In order to salvage WS/GJ's character, they had to weaken HS's character. It is so so sad to see it happen. But I guess, given how well the show handled the progression of both characters in Ep18, I am willing to roll with it, my feminist side be darned.

 

 

3) How to deal with Yeon-hwa

We know that nothing visibly bad will happen to Yeon-hwa. According to history, she will be Queen and will provide him with an heir and spares. So we were all preparing ourselves for the inevitable... YH's rise to power.

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Firstly, I'd like to say, as a person who loves strong female characters, I don't hate YH. I feel that she'd make a worthy Queen, given how wise she is to political maneuvering in court. I feel many people pile hate on her unjustly, despite the fact that all she has done is to ensure her own safety and her place in the palace. Just as WS hated being sent away, YH does too. And as a woman, being married off as a hostage is a fate that she has to fear each day. So what do you expect her to do? Curl up into a ball and cry? I, for one, love her strength. Her cunning in Ep10-11 is absolutely brilliant. She never gives up, no matter the obstacle. If there's a female character to admire in this show, she's definitely one of them!

I'm not saying she's worthy of WS's love. She and WS were not a good match. But she and GJ though? Together, they can be quite a pair to be reckon with. (Inside spoiler tag: Look at their mirroring cunning expressions... Took my breath away.)

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But well, she might be a worthy queen in my eyes, but she's also responsible for destroying the epic love of WS and HS (Actually, I feel as if they were doing the destroying all on their own, but I am sure many romantic viewers of this drama would disagree with me). So of course, her marrying WS/GJ and having a happily-ever-after is not something even I can stomach.

This is where I feel the show has outdone itself!

First, why marry Yeon-hwa? I thought they would go the cheap way of "Well, HS is scarred, GJ can't marry her, end of story, move on". But no, we get to see GJ steadfast in his decision to marry HS; after all, he himself has a scar! This allows for a true and noble sacrifice from HS's part... because here, she is given a CHOICE. Theoretically, she can still marry him, but she sets him free of that promise so that he can make a good political marriage and be a strong King. Do I like that it's necessary? No. But you have to admit, the script has given much more respect to this to-marry-or-not-to-marry saga than we expected. And I'm so happy for it.

Next, consummation of marriage. Well, they will have kids. So of course, that must happen too. I was SCREAMING on top of my lungs (while in office) at my screen when GJ came in drunk and approached YH. I was worried that the show is going to pull another cheap "Oh he didn't know what he was doing, he was drunk" stunt. THANK GOD!!! They didn't.

The true genius of the script comes from how GJ is using not just YH's present situation but her whole future as a mere transaction. Betray her brother, throw away her birth family, be his puppet... in return, he'd let her have his heir. There's no security in her future either way -- he can take more wives and the war of the concubines is almost inevitable whether her son is made crown prince or not. Yet, she has to throw away her present attachments for that uncertain promise of a future. That move wouldn't have been so masterfully cruel if YH doesn't love WS/GJ. But in her own way, she does! GJ seems intent on reminding her each and every day that his heart is something she can't own or even hope to sway.

All in all, I hope GJ wreaks havoc on WW and YH's whole family..... but I hope the script will give a good conspiracy to base that on. (Let's say, if the old poisoning plot of Mu/WS can be unearthed, but I guess that's too much to ask?) Because I do wish YH to feel the raw pain of that transaction. Her family being destroyed by her own hands. And getting to see WW on a frying pan..... Well, that thought alone has whet my appetite for the rest of the week.

 

 

After this episode, (I know many people here might disagree but) I am very satisfied with where this drama is headed. We now have an inkling of where each character will end up, and given the countless F-ups that the plot has made from episodes 14-17, the position each character stands after this episode is the best we could hope for each of them. Really, I am so pleasantly surprised by how much clean-up the plot has made in just Ep18.

I hope the show retains this quality and this pacing (well, I hope they can do better, but don't ask for miracles) in the next two episodes. So, show, please don't let me down.

 

Yeah..... I'm the type of gal who quotes things so I could read them later. Thanks for this analysis.

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2 hours ago, ChewyChocolate said:

Wook: You need to marry.

GJ: Shut up.

Wook: You can't marry Soo. She has a scar.

GJ: Shut up.

Wook: You could marry YH. She's from a powerful clan.

GJ: Shut up.

Wook: Or you could marry someone else.

GJ: Huh? 

Wook: Me.

GJ: What????

Wook: I don't have a scar, I'm from a powerful clan. I can't be king. So I might as well be queen.

GJ: OMG.

Wook: I look at you with half-closed eyes.

GJ: Shut up.

Wook: My eyes close automatically at your hotness.I have to force them to open. It's really hard.

GJ: Guards!!!! Arrest this madman!!!!

Gosh, you all are a hoot!!! white-cloud-emoticon7.gif?1292330538 Loving these WS-WW mock-interactions.

 

@hitomebore08, @jadecoral, @Silvermaine Thanks for reading (or intending to read :P) my very long post.

But everyone, my posts are content-heavy and gif-heavy. Don't quote the images please. Please be kind to the mods. Thanks.

 

My US VPN is working again. I'm gonna watch the DF version of Ep18 now.

***instilling Zen*** Let's go, Drama, kill me again.

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Hello all moon lovers,

It seems unfair for me just only reading all your great input, thought, prediction or any funny comments wihout saying thank you for all the contribution that make this thread so alive.

I just want to tell you all that I enjoy and treasure every comments in this thread and its been ages for me involved so deep in a drama. (Last time Sangdoo let's go to school made me bald to interprete the ending lol). I'm so into moon lover and already felt devastated by imagining the upcoming sad  moment in the next two episodes.

At the end, just love is not strong enough to keep the one you love , power will consume it slowly. Even if both of them are so in love . How tragic is that! How the effort and struggle to be with the one you love slowly loose its core. 

I hope this So and Soo will rejoice all the sweet memories that they have shared together, and with this in mind it will at least lessen their longing to each other when they separate later. This is trully sad love story:(

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18 hours ago, clarissasan said:

Yes!!! I thought the same ! :tears: She doesn't deserve that beautiful song

So I decide to think that the song is for Gwang Jong that was mourning so desperately for her... It's better be for Gwang Jong :lol: lol

They should have used the bgm usually played for Wang So when he is lonely or in pain to reflect his emotions.

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56 minutes ago, liddi said:

@ChewyChocolate @superkoala Thank you so much for adding to my mirth today!  Love love love your posts - truly hilarious!

I was immersing once more in my favourite scene in Ep18, when So and Soo went on their date. I love how beautifully shot it was... the chemistry between them so palpable - when So and Soo enjoyed for a brief moment, complete bliss. I like little gestures like So instinctively protecting Soo from being jostled by passerbys; her telling him about how she noticed him when she was there with Chae Ryung during a similar night years ago (thank you @hitomebore08 for pointing out and providing the missing translations there). I adore how So envelopes her in his arms and kisses her cheek... and the utter contentment and love with which she looks at him in response). Every interaction was perfection... and I truly applaud LJG and IU for embodying their roles so well and making me feel like a rank outsider, daring to intrude in So and Soo's all-too-few moments of perfect happiness.

Reposting the gifs shared by @Kasmic in an earlier post, just because they are so beautiful :wub:

 

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I removed the gif. Thank you for gifs. I watched the scene many times. I cried a river. It's so beautiful yet very heartbreaking. It's gonna be their last happy moment. (oh poor heart of mine might not be able to bear the tragedy ahead)

Ep 19 is gonna be a climax, as @40somethingahjumma said, it's gonna be explosive.

I truly hope Soo will die in So's arms. That's the only justice for them.

The reform slave reform to be done by GwangJong will be "inspired" by Chae Ryung's case and what Soo said, "Her only crime was to be born as a slave."

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2 hours ago, junee22 said:

Hi all!!So we've finished @akinahana89 project..but I don't know where to post it..anyone can help me? Thank you friends :)

PM her or email it to her. Her email address is on page 1 of the thread.

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17 minutes ago, qwenli said:

It's in miryang, quite out of the way. Also in Nov, it will not look like as per pix.

@qwenli i think so too...anyway, maybe we can get autumn leaf?? thanks anyway... oh one more, do you know how long it will take from seoul to miryang? just for my references

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woke up late in the morning as if i came from a bad dream, heart still aching while "my love" was playing in my head all day long..

MLSHR what have you done to me..

i dont know if i want to watch the sub ep 18 later.. but i know i cant unwatch it... my poor heart.. :bawling:

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all the pain is worth it. for wang so and hae soo. everything they are going through right now maybe is the price to pay to experience such a beautiful and passionate love. life won't be balanced i guess if everything around them is perfect to make their love successful. the best love story ever.... so wonderful and deep:wub:. They are so perfect for each other even in the imperfect ways. their natural clashes and fights and misunderstandings speak of reality. despite all that its so blissful to be with each other. ill miss this couple. best main lead characters ever, best love story, best setting, best ost, best actors to play out the roles! :blush:

 

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I used to love shows / movies that are realistic. Back in the days of C-drama BBJX , I was ok with all the sadness. But as I grow older, I get tired with enough realities of life and prefer happier shows to relax. Maybe that's why I'm not liking the recent turn of events. There's enough sadness in life in my depression...I love the deviations from the C-drama version but I guess that stops now.

 

BUT some justice will be sweet. If the plot is going to turn dark and Wang So turning more and more twisted, I will rather him exact some messed up consequences for YH. Sure, she can be recorded in history to be the mother of his children. BUT I will delight in a messed up twist that she is the mother IN NAME ONLY. WS will NEVER consummate his marriage to YH though he will not take another wife. But however many kids he intend to have out of affairs to forget about Soo's death will be given for YH to raise as her own. Of course it doesn't make any sense for YH to do that, but what if that's the ONLY option given to her.

WS to YH: I will never f*** you nor marry the mothers of these bast**ds. So it's either you raise them as your own and pick one to be the crown prince OR you will NEVER have any!

I know there're many fans who still want the miscarriage plot. I'm over that. Soo is miserable enough and she pretty much will not last long so my dark side beckons me to think that if the script does include some sort of pregnancy and HS dying, might as well have her die in childbirth and WS forcing YH to raise the kid as her own since he will never consummate the marriage with her. Be a mother in name or no mother at all!

Sadly that will mean WS is completely broken after Soo's death and is just a psychopath.

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30 minutes ago, Immortal_Angel said:

 

Or maybe the one to reveal WW and WS past relationship is YH she does know how her brother cared for HS before this whole thing she could have told WS all about it in order for him to trust her and believe she's on his side and also to get rid of HS. Kill two birds with one stone. YH knows her mother is siding with her and throwing the brother under the bus, so why not get rid of him since he's the only one that knows she was behind the poison incident. One less people to worry about.

As for HS, I know many of you think its selfish of her to leave WS like that, but think about this, she wants to leave before the palace consume her and with her life span shorten she wanted to just live her days out peacefully with no worries of knowing WS will kill another brother soon. She wants to be able to leave keeping the memories of WS before he turn into the king he will become later. She rather leave now and hold on to those times than live the rest of her life in a cold bloody place. Even if its with another man that she doesn't have feelings for she would take the chance and leave than stay. like many of the others that died, all they wanted was to survive and HS has a way to survive which is to leave the palace.

The palace is consuming her alive, every day she has to worry who might offend WS and than get sentence to death. HS knows WS has to be who he is to survive sitting on the throne but she cannot throw away who she is and like her nature she is trying to maintain WS humanity even if its one ounce of it. We know she loves and cares for WS but she knows for him to survive is to be ruthless to the ones that still tries to go after him. They question his authority, his status, still go after him even if it means to come in between him and HS. So what else can he do beside show them who really is in control

I believe HS knows why WS has to do what he has to do but she also knows that the palace is becoming her cage and she the bird she is becoming tired and restless. HS wants to be free and live out her days before it all ends and she doesn't want to end it in the palace where its cold and bloody. Its unfair for WS since he's going to be left with only BA by his side but what can she do knowing if she stays, they would argue nonstop and fight over things that is beyond their control. She doesn't agree to his methods of handling things like CR burrito/taco/eggroll situation (i don't even know which one to use since people is using all three lol). Even if she's a spy that girl was one of the people that took care of her when she first woke up to HS she will be a little sister to her. WS was trying to save her the pain by sending CR away but it was HS that ask for her to stay, so HS probably feels responsible for CR death. HS rather take the risk of leaving before seeing the WS she knows turn fully into the ruthless person he will become. She wants to keep the memories of the happy moments and hold on to it till the day she die.

And i'm pretty sure since they are gonna go the cversion route

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14th will ask her if in the next life if she would remember any of this, she would says she would rather not remember it all at because with happy memories will come sad ones. And she will ask 14th to cremate her so she can be free away float away like she always wanted

 

I understand her want and need to leave but I hope she resolves matters first with WS before she does but of course, more misunderstandings would be better to torture the characters and us in the last 2 hours.LOL

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1 hour ago, Evangeline Yang said:

 

Gwangdeok is actually his era name. Mean the name of the era he reigned in. I googled about it. And his King name is still Gwangjong.

 

Thanx chingue for the clarification...*sigh* I was hoping there would be more twists to give me a slight hope of a better ending and not one that is full of angst. I was never keen of a repeat of the cversion hence why I was soooooo hesitant to pick up this drama .  :bawling:  DARNIT DARNIT 

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12 minutes ago, hiluna said:

They should have used the bgm usually played for Wang So when he is lonely or in pain to reflect his emotions.

I was thinking that too! Tainted my memories of that song being played to the noble deaths of beloved characters :(

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I can totally accept this "queen"...kudos to the fan edit...

credit to #YunGnan via suisuimjg IG

 

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I'm satisfied after seeing episode 18. 

For the first time throughout the drama is aired, I can finally shed tears. I can feel how the pain she was.  By the greatness of her heart, HS said that she could not marry the king because she could not do anything for the king except provide comfort..... :cry:

HS finally was intrigued after reading the CR's bloody letter, which she wrote in that letter : 

 "I am just a person who couldn't stop loving once I started. I'm certain that you will understand how I feel. Chae Ryung doesn't regret it. I don't resent anyone. Whether there is value in doing something or not ... that is something only you can answer for yourself." 
Once finished reading the letter, HS looked around the room. CR's words in the letter made her realize that what she was doing during the time in the palace was no better than CR. It turned out that CR was a girl who had demeanor and dare to take responsibility for what she had done. 

Why HS couldn't forgive the King who had sentenced CR with was beaten to death. Actually, it is a common punishment given to those who are considered treason in ancient times. Yet, HS, in fact, is a girl of the present, with the modern mindset, so anything crimes CR committed against the late king, being a spy and others, HS could not accept that CR was punished like that and she felt that it was very cruel punishment. As you know, in present day such punishment never existed anymore because it violates human rights. 

Therefore she decided to take up Jung's offer to get out of the palace. She asked for help from BA to give her hairpin to Jung with a message: "I am willing". And BA comprehend what she wanted through Jung. BA knew for sure that she was unable to bear her suffering in the palace and she wanted Jung to take her out of the palace. It's like that BA asked her: "If he does it, you will not be sad anymore, right?

Why did she give her hairpin to Jung? That's because Jung asked her to: "Let's see everything like butterflies and live freely" after he saw ornaments butterflies and flowers in her hairpin.

So what Lady Oh once said to WW  is very true, that: "The reason men in the royal family become cowards is always the same". It happened to King Tajeo, WW and WS.
They hoped to get the throne in order to protect their loved ones, but in reality they couldn't keep them. At the end their beloved ones would be the person who was suffering because of the throne,

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9 hours ago, Artheusa said:

I need Wookie to spill the beans about Yeon-hwa's role in the poisoning. She must not get away with it. No no no! I was waiting for the Queen Mamma to do it but she passed away. Please Wookie, go full evil and backstab your sister *cue palpatine laughing

I think that is a possibility! WS told YH to abandon her brother and her whole family if she wants to be his queen, and she probably will. I think Wook will tell WS that YH was behind the poisoning (the first one), and that she wanted HS dead (and she is accountable for her poor health). From then on, life is going to be a living hell for her, WS is already toying with her, and manipulating her (using her greed for power)! That would be a happy end for me :P  ! 

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