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[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

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I am a silent reader on this thread and I don't usually provide any comments but because of MLSHR, I have registered in order to provide my insight on this series that I love and hate at the same time.  I never watched the CBBJX  although I have read the book but I watched MLSHR because of IU and I did fell in love with how they interpreted the story from the book.  They have made a story with character driven plot wherein characters are written as flawed and their feelings & behaviours are open for interpretations.  You can't either love or hate them completely.  And I guess that is the magic of this series, as it is not black and white and I think that is also the reason why this has not become popular on its native country than its other previous competitor because Koreans love their hero/heroines as one dimensional character, either as a Mary Sue who is love and loyal to only one man or a rude bad guy with a heart .  Neither of the two is Haesoo and So.  

Haesoo - Written as a Mary Sue (kind, spunky) but with such flaws such as having some trust issues with the supposed hero and have to fall in love first with the second lead (which is so different from what the viewers are used to).  Viewers want to know from the start that the hero & heroine love each other and nothing or no other forces can topple their love.  I saw a lot of rants especially from previous episodes condemning Soo on her behaviour and her choice not to trust So.  But us viewers should understand that she is written as such so she behaves as such.  I applaud the writer's gamble to give us this kind of character when in fact, she can make her a straight up Mary Sue through and through but no, she need to be written in such a flawed character that we can all identify with.  I don't think loving someone means trusting someone whole heartedly.  There is no such person that exists in this world as such considering if you already have a biased view on that person (in this case, Soo knowing from history that Gwangjong will be a ruthless person).  Thus, Soo is not out of character when she did not tell So about Eun and SD's whereabouts irregardless of her love for him.  But for those complaining that Soo does not love So this much and theirs is not an epic love story just because Soo doubted So and she only reciprocated his love when WW turns his back on her and it had taken such a long time or because he is just her second choice after WW, who is her 1st love, bear in mind that a great love does not mean your first love.  It should be someone who had affected you greatly in your life that you either can't forget even when you die or even when you are happy with someone.  Just because Soo fall in love first with WW, does it mean she does not love So? How double standards we view women are. People are also complaining that Soo and Wook love story has been extended too much thus not providing development for the OTP's love story.  This I also feel the same but I blame the editing here, if they intend to have a 20 episodes only, then they should have balanced WW-Soo & So-Soo developments.  I still believe this series should be more than 20 episodes in order the characters motivation and to tell a coherent story considering each characters has a story they want to tell.  Overall, without the editing issue, I applaud how Haesoo's character was written and I don't blame her on her choices as a woman, whom to trust and whom to love (even her love for Chaeryung as a friend, yes, she was betrayed but she was her friend and HS does not abandon people that she loves and she may actually understand her, since CY is just like all other women blinded by love who become stupid thinking that eventually, the person they love will adore them if they become puppets).  Thus, if by episode 19, if HS did choose to leave the man she greatly loves because she was just tired and felt he will never change at all and she needed to preserve her last bit of sanity, then, I will applaud her.  I will not say she abandoned him or did not trust that he will change, she did trust that he will not.  In ep.17, she did told him not to kill his brothers but he had made his own choices in the end and I will not belittle her if she leave the palace, it is not because she does not love him anymore - it is called self-preservation.  With these, I strongly disagree comments bashing her as a helpless bystander because she was never one.  Since ep.1, she actively made her choices, even if it's morally wrong (ie. having a crush with WW even when he is married) or convulsively incoherent (ie. staying loyal to WW until ep.13) or just plain stupid for us to understand.  She is who she is, whether we love her or not.  And that is why I love HS character, she apologize when needed, she admits her mistake and she continue to hope to change So from what we know him in history.  My two cents for the ending is that yes, she will die, it is inevitable since this is a BBJX adaptation, just like in the novel, he will only knew about her death and will really regret it in the end. However, because of her, he will change, he will become a king that will not only remembered for his reign of terror but for his reforms and I believe she had influenced him on that.  I wouldn't mind the theory of her being transported back to the 21st century and meeting WS there.  But if not, hopefully, they can create a better ending than her only dying, since they have taken creative license in history anyway.  Next time I will write for Wang So's characterisation and how I percieved him.  Fighting MLSHR.

 

 

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Can anyone explain whether or not the Hae family can reclaim Hae Soo?

Obviously, the Hae family was very powerful. Powerful enough for King Taejo to consider marriage...Why couldn't So release Soo, have the Hae clan claim her as a part of the family again, then just marry her?  Her scar didn't seem like an issue...only her lack of family connections? (Am I right?) I'm sure the Hae's would be more than happy to oblige.

I remember the Hae's were working with Khitan, but were they ever charged with treason? Is her family still in good standing? I need answers!

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5 hours ago, chi13lou said:

 

Maybe we will be happy that we didn't live during the Goryeo period? Perhaps the healing part is there is no more death because everyone is dead?LOL

 

I think he's delusional after spending to much time in Goryeo. :lol:

Touching and happiness, LOL :phew:

I should stop here

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9 hours ago, sugarjoy said:

HaeSoo decides to leave the palace with Jung's offer. OMG NO... PLEASE NO... THIS IS SO FREAKING SAD. 

 

And the worst part and that part really makes me angry, why she use the pin that Wang so gives her :angry:

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1 hour ago, krysyuy said:

I'm trying to figure out what scene Episode 19 will end on. I think it might be Hae Soo leaving the palace, but honestly, I want that to happen earlier, like at the 45-min mark. (I would've wanted the 30min mark, but that's way too fast for all the stuff they have to cram in before she leaves.) It's just - the faster we get to her leaving, etc, the more time there will be in Episode 20 for modern stuff lol. I'm totally getting my hopes up for no reason, I know. >.>;;

If Soo does indeed leave earlier in Ep19, I think the episode could end on her writing that letter to So and then collapsing in Jung's arms or something... Then she'll pass away at the beginning of Ep20... I don't know! Ugh, this is going to be one long week.

Yes you read my thoughts I want her to leave So in ep 19 then die just in the beginning of ep 20 so that she can go to the future and perhaps we can get a bit of happyness in the future who knows right one can only wish

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7 minutes ago, bluesunny3 said:

Can anyone explain whether or not the Hae family can reclaim Hae Soo?

Obviously, the Hae family was very powerful. Powerful enough for King Taejo to consider marriage...Why couldn't So release Soo, have the Hae clan claim her as a part of the family again, then just marry her?  Her scar didn't seem like an issue...only her family connections? (Am I right?) I'm sure the Hae's would be more than happy to oblige.

I remember the Hae's were working with Khitan, but were they ever charged with treason? Is her family still in good standing? I need answers!

 

What I think is that King Taejo rejected her after the scar appeared so their name is ruin and then Hae was brought in to be court lady and later demoted to be a laundry maid which is not good for the clan so their name is ruin.

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18 minutes ago, Siracusa said:

Even though it reached number one, is 9.8% a respectable number? MDBC got 20% in its peak. Is 20% a crazy outlier?

 

Yeah, unfortunately they are not doing well with the ratings compared to MDBC. Personally, I watched 2 episodes of MDBC and dropped it. I couldn't get into it.. there are a lot of international fans into Scarlet Heart unlike the Koreans. I don't know what it is but I don't understand the hype around Park Bo Gum. But maybe it is me.. 

Furthermore the acting in Scarlet is really good so I don't really know what is "unappealing" about the drama to the Korean audience.

Overall I love the drama (I just don;t know what the hell happened to Wang So today). We can't do anything about the ratings, 20% instead of 10% would have been great but thats how it is! Anyways, they did their best :)

 

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8 hours ago, MikaylaP said:

What did I just watch? What the hell just happened? I've been watching this show for so long and this is what's gonna happen?

I'm done. I'm throwing my laptop out of the window. I'm so angry x_x

 

Yeah that is the curriculum of kdramas [makes you angry] that's why I don't see much kdramas now but for the excellent actor LeeJunKi is I have to endure two more episode so that my torture finish.

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Finally freaking double digit when we only have 2 EPISODES left.

The only good thing from eps 18.

My expectation of happy ending has decreased to the level that the best ending I can expect is Soo dying in So's arm. Even I'm not sure about that.

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I am so traumatise with last night's ep, i went back to watch cheese in thevtrap.....my last depressing show:blink:

Am out of here for awhile....

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41 minutes ago, enigmaticangel said:

Ok, I have to take this out of my system..

Note: This is NOT a hate post..this is just my perception about the recent episodes.

First of all, I can't see my "Wang So" anymore..Really,Whenever I watch the recent episodes , i wonder where that playful at the same time brave "Wang So" is lost?I am seeing only "Gwangjong" nowadays..The way he is treating things is not the way Wang So treats..!! All i could see now are some traces of WS here and there in "GJ"..I can't understand what is the reason? may be because of the clothes or hairstyle?  or LJG 's amazing portrayal as WS/GJ?

Where is that WS who used to NOT CARE about anyone and acts according to his will, BUT he never intended to HURT anyone?

Where is that WS who used to care for Jung(He saved him from the goons and built a tomb of stones which he destroyed) ?

Where is that WS who proposed HS  "n" number of times only to protect her, even though he was rejected everytime?

Where is that WS whose only intention for throne was to STOP THE BLOODSHED  and to protect the person he loves ? 

Where is that WS who didn't even care about the person HS loved yet he loved her unconditionally? 

Where is that WS who distanced himself from his love of his life, just to protect her?

I am still searching for answers..

The power is NO JOKE..it is slowly consuming him, and he is letting it get the best of him too!

Now he feels like the whole world is IN HIS CONTROL , he is allowed to do anything to anyone and no one dares to speak against him.He finally feels the FREEDOM which he was thirsting for all these years..His freedom lies in his THRONE! He got tired of obeying all the others from others..now he wants the others to obey his!

Actually I am not against him becoming the king, I am against the consequences of it..

He is slowly becoming ruthless..he didn't allow Jung till the last minute during his mother's death? Was WS really this cruel?..No..It's the power. Whose fault is this? Was it Jung's for being ignorant about how much caring brother  WS was? or is it WS's fault for not showing his caring side to him?

Why is  he getting so mad on knowing that "Wook" was the person HS loved..even though he was ignorant in knowing about that all these years?!

I can understand that Wook played his part in  getting him married to YH..BUT BUT BUT..what is HS's fault in this? Was she responsible for the past happenings? 

She loved him , came to care for him and waited for him for 3 years!!!

She accepted the truth that she can never became the Queen, but her only aim was to be with him.

Even since he became the king, i couldn't actually fully enjoy the OTP's moments ..it's like I am watching HS with someone completely different..Its not the WS whose character made me fall for him..Ever since he became the King , he slowly bringing out his long-suppressed-emotions..:(

Did he become a king to take revenge?

Did he become a king to send Jung faraway,so that he can have his mother's love all for himself?

And about HS..I hope she finally learns to stop trusting every single people..she should stop thinking that "People will never change"..she needs  a reality check..Lady Oh clearly told her "not to give her affection and care" to everyone because we don't know how people will play with it in the end..She never for once learns from her mistakes..

She was "betrayed" by her Boyfriend as well as Bestfriend not once, TWICE!!!

I can understand that CR was blindly in love..but that doesn't change the fact that, SHE KILLED A FREAKI'N HUMAN BEING: KNOWINGLY!!!

And she was lying to her ALL THESE YEARS!! But no , CR's family situation comes first than "So"..

I will just tell one thing to HS- "Forgive and Forget"

And she leaving the palace is totally justified..

She no longer can see that person whose aim was to protect the country from bloodshed..

She no longer can see the Compassionate person disguised as a wolf..

She no longer can see the person whose only aim was  HS-a long time ago..

in short , she can no longer  see "Wang So in Gwangjong".!!!! 

It's not that he is wrong..it is just that she doesn't deserve a "King", she just deserves a person who loves her and be compassionate to others..She fell for those qualities in WS..

She endured a LOT just to be his side..but it's the same thing that is separating them. Irony- I know!

GJ needs YH to protect the country..

HS needs the "lost" WS in GJ..

It's just that they don't deserve eachother anymore..because each want different things in life..their priorities have changed and like Wook said "A single person can't have everything"..

She needs to come back, Future is where she belongs..She is not in a condition to face the nasty political battles..she was never interested in it!

If I see the "once-upon-a-time-WS" atleast during her Death..I will take my Words back..My WS was alive till the  "PE-GA-SUS" scene..after that I can't see him anywhere..:tears:

 

 

 

 

 

Well, Hae Soo and the rest of the world fall in love with the 4th Prince, Wang So. Now, he is gone and becoming Gwangjong. 

Hae Soo, I understand your pain when you see no Wang So anymore. Heck, even I miss him lately. That Gwangjong is hot, they have the same face but they are totally different person. He is a stranger.

Hae Soo, get out of the palace, just go home to the future.

MY DARK PRINCE WANG SO, WHERE ARE YOU????

PLEASE COMEBACK TO US..............:bawling:

 

 

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All these crazy people in the palace is because they keep marrying their family . Mentally they're all a bit off. Inbred. :expressionless:

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2 hours ago, soereey said:

first thing popped up in my mind when i saw the stack of poems in soo's box was that she's going to use them as wallpapers in her new room @ jung's residence. 

:D:D

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25 minutes ago, Immortal_Angel said:

 

What I think is that King Taejo rejected her after the scar appeared so their name is ruin and then Hae was brought in to be court lady and later demoted to be a laundry maid which is not good for the clan so their name is ruin.

 

Baek Ah told Woo Hee,....who was a gisaeng!!!....that they were going to find a family in good standing to adopt her so he could marry her....

 

DAMN IT GWANGJONG! Where was this option for Hae Soo? I'm sure there would be at least one family willing in to do it if they knew their "daughter" would marry the king of Goryeo!

 

These things are what keep me up at night:/

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It is with sadness

Spoiler

I will await her back to the future moment if someone tells me. 

and for the sake of my emotional health I will need to drop this drama after episode 18. I watched it raw and that was enough for me. 

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Dammmm, yesterday's episode made me experience all kinds of emotions. Now I must survive another 6 days before the next episode. WS knew HS loved another and everyone else knows it was Wook but not WS. Gosh....he must really believe that their interactions were because he was her cousin-in-law. Fail wolf instict...hahahaha. But I think he feels so betrayed because Wook was the one who caused all the suffering for him and HS. 

On a side note, I can't stop thinking about yesterday's ep and next week's preview that I teared up while getting ready for work this morning. Gosh....I enjoyed other dramas but this drama is causing a different type of addiction. As much as I'm glad that its finally ending next week, I feel that I will rewatch it non-stop and keep analysing every episode. I'm already rewatching it every week. Glad I found this forum and read all the wonderful insights and different analysis you all have.:wub:

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2 minutes ago, kokoro_ai said:

 

Yeah that is the curriculum of kdramas [make you angry] that's why I don't see much kdramas now but for the excellent actor LeeJunKi is I have to endure two more episode so that my torture finish.

 Hahaha I used to watch a lot of kdramas too, Scarlet Heart and K2 are the only ones I am watching now. Wang So's sudden change made me angry and heartbroken! It felt to rushed :|. I was so angry that I almost decided not to watch the upcoming two episodes :bawling:

I need to be strong:sweatingbullets:

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