[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[deabakdrama]

3 hours ago, junejungki said:

I am taking a half day leave today from work because I feel dizzy and things around me keep spinning. All because of MLSHR. My husband called when I reach home. He said, after this no more sad or heart breaking K drama for you. You need to rest. This is all because of Hae Soo. I dont know what to say or react. Maybe he was right. It all started with HS.

From today until Monday, I will entertain myself reading humour post in this thread and watch cats/dogs video. No more K drama until I am completely heal.

 

@junejungki you are not alone. I can't focus in my works, my brain keep thinking of MLSH. After reading @Akkido 's prediction, I feel pain in my heart. I know the plot of MLSH would be similar to c version BBJX, but I still can't accept it.  Hoping the writer will change the ending.I want happy ending..

My friends keep inviting to watch W2 but I said no, I was exhausted because of MLSH,..I tell myself no more K drama after MLSH, I need to get back to my normal life. 

[Gabi Bros]

20 minutes ago, tinniet said:

I visited Lake Onuma and Lake Toya today (anyone here from Hokkaido?) and I really enjoyed the sense of freedom seeing such a beautiful scenery all by myself. 

Suddenly I thought how nice it would be for So and Soo to have this kind of freedom. Only few seconds later it hit me that they never even existed.

I think I need help.

Hahahahaha. 

[junejungki]

19 minutes ago, tinniet said:

I visited Lake Onuma and Lake Toya today (anyone here from Hokkaido?) and I really enjoyed the sense of freedom seeing such a beautiful scenery all by myself. 

Suddenly I thought how nice it would be for So and Soo to have this kind of freedom. Only few seconds later it hit me that they never even existed.

I think I need help.

I was in Lake Toya and Onuma early this year. I am not Japanese, I am Malaysian. But since you mentioned it, the place really really beautiful. It give me sense of freedom and calm.

[bluesunny3]

2 hours ago, Adnana said:

 

No noble idiocy in E18. At least, not in the first half.

@briseis I disagree. If E18 did one thing right, is build up to the inevitability of Wang So having to give in to the clans' pressure in order to protect his as-yet very tenuous hold on the throne. Hae Soo's decision to reject his marriage proposal in the established context wasn't noble idiocy but necessary sacrifice.

Let's review the facts.

Wang So is a newly crowned king, who hasn't had enough time (and resources) yet to build a strong foundation for his throne. Moreover, there are still ugly rumors swirling in the background, questioning the very legitimacy of his ascension. No small thing, that. All of which means, So's position as King is very shaky. Not enough, maybe, that a strong, concentrated gust (of opposition) could blow him off the throne... but not far off it either.

Goryeo itself is still a young, vulnerable nation, made up of many rival clans with conflicting interests, tenuously held together. How easily So's own maternal clan, led by Jung, comes before King Gwangjong in E17, questioning his right to rule and threatening secession. The many powerful clans of the land, with their significant share of economic power, their sizeable private armies and their complex agendas, hold all the real power and Goryeo's king at that point in history has a very limited scope of what he can actually do. If he doesn't juggle the complex game of politics well, he might even get to see the whole fragile nation disbanding before his eyes. Queen Hwangbo is right when she matter-of-factly warns So of the risk that one misstep might shatter his father, King Taejo's, great legacy.

"Are you going to let Goryeo fall apart during your reign, Your Majesty?"

So's position as a young, untested King--in just a few short years he's the 3rd in a line of princes that have so far failed to prove themselves worthy successors of Taejo--is particularly untenable in the drama. Whereas historical Wang So had the support of three powerful clans (maternal, adopted, wife's), drama Wang So stands alone. He's been cut off by his maternal clan (the Chungju Yoos are even actively working against him), his adopted Shinju Kang clan seems to have vanished in the woodwork (bad writing, there), and there's no wife. The General who made So's rebellion succeed is gone, too. In a land where power is derived from the clans, So has no clans supporting his rule. When they boycott him, there's nothing he can do, no alliance of stronger clans he can call upon to keep the others in check.

With the General gone, there's no military might he can call upon either--not that it would have been a solution anyway. Now that his rebellion has succeeded, the fight has moved from the military to the political arena, and that's where So has to play now, and win. I mean, it's not like he can kill everyone, right? Then there'd be no ministers, no court left to rule over--and everyone else left from all the clans would be baying for the king's blood. In truth, it's still much too early for it to be viable (or even possible) to implement the bloody purges that Gwangjong comes to be known for much later, when his reign is secure. 

In any case, did you catch how King Gwangjong showed up for Court but there was neither hide nor hair of his ministers or any court officials to be seen? He had to wait impotently, sitting on his throne in an empty room (talk about heavy-handed symbolism!) until Wook showed up with his demands. Outrageous demands, that the King relinquish all his financial and military power--but demands that Wook felt safe to make because he had the backing of the clans, whereas the King had no backing, and so the King was weak, and so all the power that the King was being asked to hand over was actually his in name only and not available in fact for him to wield. Not without the support of the clans.

I won't even get into all the reasons why the clans and the entire Court would have been outraged had King Gwangjong chosen Hae Soo as his Queen. Frankly, her scar--though the taboo against a scarred woman belonging to the King is real and deeply-ingrained enough to not be easily challenged in Goryeo society--is a minor issue compared to:

1) her status as a mere court lady who's served many kings for many years

2) her belonging to a minor clan only (if she wasn't disinherited by them completely, that is, which is actually very likely after that debacle when she almost married the King Taejo)

3) her suspect behavior at Damiwon, which includes her unusual knowledge of various aspects, her alien writing etc.--all of which made Soo personally very suspicious and particularly questionable as the King's potential partner.

"She has no background. Yet, she has many weaknesses."

And for the King to reject all available princesses, all the noble daughters from the powerful clans, and instead marry a suspect little nobody like Soo? Moreover, a scarred nobody?! Not only would the nobles have been personally offended, but they might have also--rightfully--questioned the King's sanity. Or at least his capacity to act as a real ruler should.

In the Court's eyes, not only was Soo too severely lacking in all aspects (background, position, behavior; and yes, the scar) to ever be considered worthy to marry the King, but she was even liable to fall in personal danger because of the existing suspicions about her. Like, her alien writing--might it mean that she was a foreign spy? Let's not even talk about Soo being accepted as the King's bride; if some powerful accusers had stepped forward, and with some extra fabricated evidence, she might have seen her very life endangered. And maybe not even the King--as weak as he is now--could have protected her. You do remember King Taejo (comparatively more secure in his reign, and considerably more powerful at the time) and how he still had to sacrifice Lady Oh, right?

 

Once again, I've written too much, but the short and main of it is, there was no way in hell that So could marry Soo and keep his throne at this point in time. He could NOT fight all the clans for her because he was at the start of his reign, and too weak. He would NOT have won, could not have won--but his rash actions had he tried that route would have likely precipitated the very worst-case-scenario, namely the dissolution of Goryeo itself. So knew all that, but he was too stubborn and proud and determined not to break another promise to Soo, so he proposed to her anyway. Soo knew it too, so she refused his proposal.  And So had no leg to argue against Soo's selfless decision. No noble idiocy involved on either side, just clear-headed acceptance.

So literally had no choice but to let Soo refuse him and pick a powerful wife instead, like he should have done in the first place. He did NOT marry Yeonhwa because Soo told him to; he married her because it had to be done, only he refused to do it until Soo allowed him to. He needed Yeonhwa's clan's support to finally get the other clans to acknowledge him and allow him to act as King (i.e. by actually showing up for Court).

One last thing. As I see it, faced with the untenable (give up making Soo his Queen or lose the throne), So gritted his teeth, strangled his soul-deep outrage and unwillingness and compromised. He married Yeonhwa for the chance to at last become King in fact as well as name--that is, for the chance to grow the power he needed not to be forced to EVER compromise again. He couldn't marry Soo now, and that's why he's so angry and why he's turned so much darker and sinister after his wedding to Yeonhwa and why he's hardcore going for vengeance now that he finally can--but I'm positive that his ultimate goal is to bide his time and arrive at a place of unshakable strength from where he really CAN fight the clans, and the whole world if need be, and win. A position from where he can finally safely reach for Hae Soo and hold her to him without endangering her, or his throne. Little does he know that by the time he rises to that position, it will be too late. Soo will have already left him--not by simply stepping outside the Palace (where So could, and would, have brought her back eventually)--but in a far more permanent and soul-crushing way.

 

 

YASSSSSSS!!!! Yes! Yes! To everything you said!

So's only crime was that he was born a prince...

[kdramawriter]

2 hours ago, Adnana said:

 

No noble idiocy in E18. At least, not in the first half.

@briseis I disagree. If E18 did one thing right, is build up to the inevitability of Wang So having to give in to the clans' pressure in order to protect his as-yet very tenuous hold on the throne. Hae Soo's decision to reject his marriage proposal in the established context wasn't noble idiocy but necessary sacrifice.

Let's review the facts.

Wang So is a newly crowned king, who hasn't had enough time (and resources) yet to build a strong foundation for his throne. Moreover, there are still ugly rumors swirling in the background, questioning the very legitimacy of his ascension. No small thing, that. All of which means, So's position as King is very shaky. Not enough, maybe, that a strong, concentrated gust (of opposition) could blow him off the throne... but not far off it either.

Goryeo itself is still a young, vulnerable nation, made up of many rival clans with conflicting interests, tenuously held together. How easily So's own maternal clan, led by Jung, comes before King Gwangjong in E17, questioning his right to rule and threatening secession. The many powerful clans of the land, with their significant share of economic power, their sizeable private armies and their complex agendas, hold all the real power and Goryeo's king at that point in history has a very limited scope of what he can actually do. If he doesn't juggle the complex game of politics well, he might even get to see the whole fragile nation disbanding before his eyes. Queen Hwangbo is right when she matter-of-factly warns So of the risk that one misstep might shatter his father, King Taejo's, great legacy.

"Are you going to let Goryeo fall apart during your reign, Your Majesty?"

So's position as a young, untested King--in just a few short years he's the 3rd in a line of princes that have so far failed to prove themselves worthy successors of Taejo--is particularly untenable in the drama. Whereas historical Wang So had the support of three powerful clans (maternal, adopted, wife's), drama Wang So stands alone. He's been cut off by his maternal clan (the Chungju Yoos are even actively working against him), his adopted Shinju Kang clan seems to have vanished in the woodwork (bad writing, there), and there's no wife. The General who made So's rebellion succeed is gone, too. In a land where power is derived from the clans, So has no clans supporting his rule. When they boycott him, there's nothing he can do, no alliance of stronger clans he can call upon to keep the others in check.

With the General gone, there's no military might he can call upon either--not that it would have been a solution anyway. Now that his rebellion has succeeded, the fight has moved from the military to the political arena, and that's where So has to play now, and win. I mean, it's not like he can kill everyone, right? Then there'd be no ministers, no court left to rule over--and everyone else left from all the clans would be baying for the king's blood. In truth, it's still much too early for it to be viable (or even possible) to implement the bloody purges that Gwangjong comes to be known for much later, when his reign is secure. 

In any case, did you catch how King Gwangjong showed up for Court but there was neither hide nor hair of his ministers or any court officials to be seen? He had to wait impotently, sitting on his throne in an empty room (talk about heavy-handed symbolism!) until Wook showed up with his demands. Outrageous demands, that the King relinquish all his financial and military power--but demands that Wook felt safe to make because he had the backing of the clans, whereas the King had no backing, and so the King was weak, and so all the power that the King was being asked to hand over was actually his in name only and not available in fact for him to wield. Not without the support of the clans.

I won't even get into all the reasons why the clans and the entire Court would have been outraged had King Gwangjong chosen Hae Soo as his Queen. Frankly, her scar--though the taboo against a scarred woman belonging to the King is real and deeply-ingrained enough to not be easily challenged in Goryeo society--is a minor issue compared to:

1) her status as a mere court lady who's served many kings for many years

2) her belonging to a minor clan only (if she wasn't disinherited by them completely, that is, which is actually very likely after that debacle when she almost married the King Taejo)

3) her suspect behavior at Damiwon, which includes her unusual knowledge of various aspects, her alien writing etc.--all of which made Soo personally very suspicious and particularly questionable as the King's potential partner.

"She has no background. Yet, she has many weaknesses."

And for the King to reject all available princesses, all the noble daughters from the powerful clans, and instead marry a suspect little nobody like Soo? Moreover, a scarred nobody?! Not only would the nobles have been personally offended, but they might have also--rightfully--questioned the King's sanity. Or at least his capacity to act as a real ruler should.

In the Court's eyes, not only was Soo too severely lacking in all aspects (background, position, behavior; and yes, the scar) to ever be considered worthy to marry the King, but she was even liable to fall in personal danger because of the existing suspicions about her. Like, her alien writing--might it mean that she was a foreign spy? Let's not even talk about Soo being accepted as the King's bride; if some powerful accusers had stepped forward, and with some extra fabricated evidence, she might have seen her very life endangered. And maybe not even the King--as weak as he is now--could have protected her. You do remember King Taejo (comparatively more secure in his reign, and considerably more powerful at the time) and how he still had to sacrifice Lady Oh, right?

 

Once again, I've written too much, but the short and main of it is, there was no way in hell that So could marry Soo and keep his throne at this point in time. He could NOT fight all the clans for her because he was at the start of his reign, and too weak. He would NOT have won, could not have won--but his rash actions had he tried that route would have likely precipitated the very worst-case-scenario, namely the dissolution of Goryeo itself. So knew all that, but he was too stubborn and proud and determined not to break another promise to Soo, so he proposed to her anyway. Soo knew it too, so she refused his proposal.  And So had no leg to argue against Soo's selfless decision. No noble idiocy involved on either side, just clear-headed acceptance.

So literally had no choice but to let Soo refuse him and pick a powerful wife instead, like he should have done in the first place. He did NOT marry Yeonhwa because Soo told him to; he married her because it had to be done, only he refused to do it until Soo allowed him to. He needed Yeonhwa's clan's support to finally get the other clans to acknowledge him and allow him to act as King (i.e. by actually showing up for Court).

One last thing. As I see it, faced with the untenable (give up making Soo his Queen or lose the throne), So gritted his teeth, strangled his soul-deep outrage and unwillingness and compromised. He married Yeonhwa for the chance to at last become King in fact as well as name--that is, for the chance to grow the power he needed not to be forced to EVER compromise again. He couldn't marry Soo now, and that's why he's so angry and why he's turned so much darker and sinister after his wedding to Yeonhwa and why he's hardcore going for vengeance now that he finally can--but I'm positive that his ultimate goal is to bide his time and arrive at a place of unshakable strength from where he really CAN fight the clans, and the whole world if need be, and win. A position from where he can finally safely reach for Hae Soo and hold her to him without endangering her, or his throne. Little does he know that by the time he rises to that position, it will be too late. Soo will have already left him--not by simply stepping outside the Palace (where So could, and would, have brought her back eventually)--but in a far more permanent and soul-crushing way.

This fully. I think the heart-breaking thing of that scene is that they both kind of know that it's over. There's much more emotional abuse they have to heap on each other before they break apart, but this is the decision point. They've been pushed to the limit in what they were able to do to maintain their love for each other, but ultimately, Hae Su's decision to not marry Wang So was inevitable because of the many reasons you have said. That Wang So was able to still say that he loves her and wants to marry her isn't empty words, but ultimately, he was in no position to do so if he wanted to stay on the throne and if he wanted to stay alive. It was completely gutting to me when Hae Su says "I'll be okay. I"m really fine." because you can see that she's the opposite of okay and the opposite of fine. This is classic So/Su couple talk, to say the opposite of what they mean (especially as a reflection of their jail cell conversation). That's why Wang So had to go all out to say:

"You are mine. I'll never let you go. You are my only queen."

The irony of those statements is of course: 

1) She is not his (she cannot marry him)

2) He will have to let her go (death)

3) And she is not his only queen (b/c Queen Daemok is). 

Thanks to briseis for all your hard work. But this moment is not Hae Su's Noble Idiocy. 

[junejungki]

2 minutes ago, deabakdrama said:

@junejungki you are not alone. I can't focus in my works, my brain keep thinking of MLSH. After reading @Akkido 's prediction, I feel pain in my heart. I know the plot of MLSH would be similar to c version BBJX, but I still can't accept it.  Hoping the writer will change the ending.I want happy ending..

My friends keep inviting to watch W2 but I said no, I was exhausted because of MLSH,..I tell myself no more K drama after MLSH, I need to get back to my normal life. 

Wait!! W2?? You mean W Two World? Now got second season?? I avoid all dramas for the time being. I feel numb watching other dramas. That is why I prefer to watch cat and dogs cute videos so that I can laugh as much as I want. Try to watch Bones but feel nothing also. So tonite I want to watch Castle. I am trying to make my mind clear a little bit by watching unrelated stuff.

[hiluna]

On 10/26/2016 at 2:39 AM, zi4r said:

the headstrong WS has never truly respected her enough when it comes to her opinions (Oh, he loves her and respects her feelings; but her thoughts and her advice? Not much.

I love reading your posts @zi4rand how you can keep your emotions out of the equation in your analysis. This will be the first time I have a slight disagreement with you about your statement above. WS has respected her opinions enough to have quoted her to Jung after saving him from the one armed man "the higher up you are, the more you should care about justice", he respected and enjoyed her knowledge of the stars, he keeps what she says in his heart when he has to get rid of his enemies "you probably won't be forgiven, but still I understand you". This was the HS he fell in love with and you are right, the writer made her disappear in order to progress the story to its inevitable end. Your statement needs to be qualified by the old HS and current HS and yes I think WS lost some respect for her after Eun's death and he can no longer trust her thoughts and advice especially now as GJ.

[jetsu]

22 minutes ago, tinniet said:

I visited Lake Onuma and Lake Toya today (anyone here from Hokkaido?) and I really enjoyed the sense of freedom seeing such a beautiful scenery all by myself. 

Suddenly I thought how nice it would be for So and Soo to have this kind of freedom. Only few seconds later it hit me that they never even existed.

I think I need help.

Spoiler

I've been to Lake Toya a few year's ago in Winter and there was hardly any tourist, which I found it really peaceful, Although the place is small but really beautiful and the bus trip up the mountain was magnificent.  Otaru is another nice place in Hokkaido but can be crowded because it's a tourist attraction.  

 

[sooji28]

Seriously, i think i need a therapy after MLSHR is finished. 

Because, for the last 2 months, I've been pouring all my feelings, thoughts and time for MLSHR. Isn't it the saddest epic love story ever, or what?  

Can you imagine, when MLSHR is finished next November 1st, and the week after that, what would we do next? I think, I'm going to feel empty. But, the ending is inevitable. So, definitely therapy, it is.

Do you think you guys all have courage to watch the last 2 episodes?

Ah well.... 

[Gabi Bros]

58 minutes ago, TeBe said:

But how do you guys get over the gloomy mood that MLSH has set after episode 18 and with that heart-breaking preview?

I always watch the Moon Lovers BTS videos! Are funny and cute. That's why when I feel frustrated with the drama I just say "Give me a new BTS now!!" because I know that will make me happy. Or I rewatch the old BTS. 

[junejungki]

6 minutes ago, sooji28 said:

Seriously, i think i need a therapy after MLSHR is finished. 

Because, for the last 2 months, I've been pouring all my feelings, thoughts and time for MLSHR. Isn't it the saddest epic love story ever, or what?  

Can you imagine, when MLSHR is finished next November 1st, and the week after that, what would we do next? I think, I'm going to feel empty. But, the ending is inevitable. So, definitely therapy, it is.

Do you think you guys all have courage to watch the last 2 episodes?

Ah well.... 

I need to watch the last 2 episode. Sad or happy ending doesnt matter. I need closure to move on 

[antiherofans]

37 minutes ago, isengdoang said:

 my co worker a doctor at the office... cought me lurking actor_jg ig...

she's suddenly said: whatttt? You're watching scarlet heart??? 

I said yessss!!

And she said: oh God my mom is addicted to that drama.. i even cant change the channel during commercials... 

emmm... her mom is 68 

 

LOL I can't stop laughing

[sooji28]

20 minutes ago, junejungki said:

I need to watch the last 2 episode. Sad or happy ending doesnt matter. I need closure to move on 

Yes, we do need closure. So we can move on. 

I think i might be taking a month off k-drama after MLSHR finish. 

[virsvirs]

 

In Hae Soo & Wang So’s defense. There is only so much one can take. Both are in a cut-throat eviroment where if you don’t change you die.

I understand Hae Soo wanting to leave the palace. She can’t marry the King and she can’t really stay with him either. She puts up a front and claims she understands, but how long can one stand seeing the person you love with another

In regards to Wang So “changing”. I would say he’s more evolving rather that going through a complete 180. He still is the same person who loves Baek Ah and Hae Soo and is willing to protect them at any cost. He’s adapting to his toxic environment not changing his personality.

 

cr: http://liveasbutterflies.tumblr.com/post/152314944510

 

couldn't agree more with this! my heart breaks!I I could feel her pain. Huaaaa I feel so sad for Hae Soo

as for Wang So, eventhough they said that he is not changing his personality, I still want the old Wang So back, oh well...

[Eva Fauziah]

I want to shout to all koreans and moon lovers here . . .

 

"Hey you !! if you skip next ep show, you will regret it !!! it may be forever best crying, sad or goodbye scene/act in k drama"

 

yes ! you will regret it, it may be the best act of LJK !

so face it, be brave !

 

im still listening to "wind" (MLSHR ost, jung seung hwan). maybe my hubby will angry if i get too addicted and serius abt this drama, yes im in 1st smester preggy, so i must manage my mood. but MLSHR just make a hole in my heart, but its okay, take it flow. (No problem if i will be crying for 2 days bcoz this drama). 

 

so moon lovers, eclipses dont skip, dont blink in ep 19-20.

[fathiayunia]

9 hours ago, Akiddo said:

Spoiler

 

Ep 19 - 20: Farewell to my eternal love

Ep 17-18 sped up the sequence of events in the original novel and C-BBJX. We have 2 more episodes to bring this epic love story to a close.

In the ep 19 preview, the sequence of events is jumbled in my opinion. My version for Ep 19-20 is as follows. Parts of Baek Ah and Woo Hee are not included as my concern is only So-Soo. Points 11-25 could be vastly different from the drama. I just need to get these thoughts out of my system. 

1. GJ plots to get rid of Wook - with the help of YH and Won. 

2. Wook is condemned to death for attempted treason. 

3. Soo steps in to beg for Wook's life - possible that Wook's mother asked her for help and tells her the sequence of Wook's progression into the dark side. Given her personality, she risks her life to help Wook one last time - out of guilt, out of her loyalty to her late cousin, out of whatever residual feeling she has left for 8th. She succeeds in getting his life saved but causes a permanent rift in her relationship with So. 

4. Wook reflects on the sequence of events and figures out that his sister has betrayed him for GJ. By then, Jung will have gotten wind of Soo's decision to leave with him. 

5. So gets the late King's edict to betroth Soo to Jung. He refuses to acknowledge the edict. Jung shows the hairpin as proof of Soo's decision. The sight of his token of love to Soo hurts GJ deeply. Baek Ah realises the significance of Soo's request and is devastated. 

6. Wook loses all hope in his life and family. He confronts GJ for a final show down - tells him the truth about the poisoning incident, YH's involvement and why he couldn't save Soo. He pulls everyone into the blackhole with him - if he has to suffer, GJ and YH will have to suffer along. Soo becomes the collateral damage in this confrontation.

7. GJ is devastated by Wook's confession and links her determination to save Wook as a sign of her love for Wook. He confronts Soo and she admits to her past relationship with Wook. GJ tells her that he doesn't want to see her anymore and she has the permission to leave the palace. 

8. Soo leaves the palace and Songgak for good. Before she steps out of the gilded cage, she looks back with tears in her eyes and memories of the past flashing before her. Soo knows she will never see the palace again. 

9. GJ looks from afar with tears streaming down his face. Memories of happier times flashing before him. WS is inconsolable but GJ soldiers on. He fulfils his promise to YH to give her an heir. 

10. Time skip. Soo starts life anew with Jung in exile. A celebration of marriage is prohibited between them but Jung is happy to have Soo by his side and tries his best to make her happy. Soo misses So deeply and continues her writing every day. 

11. GJ continues to consolidate his empire. He has spies in Jung's household. Jung is aware of it. GJ gets reports on Soo and Jung regularly. 

12. Jung creates an illusion of intimacy between him and Soo for the spies to report back to GJ, mainly to rile GJ. GJ is devastated that Soo has finally moved on from him and orders that reports on Jung's household must not be presented to him from here on. 

13. In the mean time, Soo's health continues to deteriorate. She knows her end is near. Asks Jung to help her to deliver a letter to GJ. She hopes to see him one last time. 

14. Jung accedes her request. Notices her handwriting is too similar to GJ's. He puts her letter in another envelope with his handwriting on the envelope. 

15. Letter reaches GJ. GJ doesn't read it. 

16. Soo dolls herself up the best that she can. Deteriorates rapidly.

17. GJ dreams of Soo. His right arm where he was once wounded aches terribly. 

18. Soo gives up hope that So will come to her. She asks Jung to cremate her right away after she dies and throw her ashes into the ocean/lake on a windy day. She wants to forget all of them. She asks him to let go of the past and live on fruitfully. Soo doesn't leave any last words for her beloved. She dies in Jung's arms. Soo finally leaves Goryeo behind. We see a solar eclipse transporting Soo back to modern time the moment she passes on. 

19. Jimong sees the solar eclipse and sighs for the loss of his kindred spirit Soo. He knows she is gone. 

20. Words finally reach GJ and Baek Ah that Soo has passed away. He is shocked beyond words. He scrambles for the unread letter. He finds it and opens it with trembling hands. He sees Soo's handwriting for the first time. Reads the letter while the audience weeps with him. All inconsolable. Ambulance and medics should be on standby at LJG's fan meeting. 

21. GJ and Baek Ah arrive at Jung's residence. Fight ensues. Baek Ah stops them, asks them to let Soo leave in peace after being sandwiched between all the brothers for the past 10 years. 

22. So enters Soo's room to find her belongings - the hairpin, the arrow, stacks of her writing...So breaks down once again. He knows she left with him etched in her heart. There was no room for anyone else. He was her eternal love, just like she is to him. She is completely his person, always and forever. Need more back up on ambulance and medics - many are suffering from excessive sobbing and heart aches.  

23. So takes her ashes back to Songgak. Jimong tries to explain to GJ about Soo/Ha Jin - offends GJ and is banished. So and Baek Ah throws her ashes into the ocean or Dongji lake as per her wishes. GJ mulls on Soo's odd ways and concludes that he will find her one way or the other. 

24. GJ lives for another 20+ years, misses Soo everyday. GJ tries to leave clues for the future Soo/Ha Jin. Dies on a solar eclipse in 975. 

25. Time skip 1000 years to modern day Seoul. Your guess is as good as mine. Let's hope for a good ending with all the loose ends tied up nicely. 

Will we all be alright on Tuesday night? I am going to ask my hubby and kids to stay out of my way from 9pm. 

 

LOL Your last line is hilarious >< But.....

 

CRACK.... CRACK.... CRACK... CRUSH!

Oh, no. That was my heart right there. Excuse me while I picked my shattered heart.

Already, reading your post makes me teared up .... what's gonna happen to me when the drama airs next week?? I think I'm gonna cry buckets... I'm thinking that I should just use my towel instead of my tissues for this drama.

Anyway, as much as I hate that HS is seemingly leaving WS in the next episode, I guess I can relate to her because I also often buried my feelings, can't say what I really wanted to say, and holding back on my anger, so much that I regret it. Maybe that is why I often get angry with HS's decision, and question her love, because I know just like me she is gonna regret it at some point. I'm so sorry if my earlier frustration on her somehow creates many analysis on HS's reason in this episode. lol I agree though, the girl just get mentally exhausted because HS-GJ keep on hurting each other.

So, back to your post, I agree that most of this will likely happens in next episode.... And I'm sure I'm gonna cry hard on these :

8. Soo leaves the palace and Songgak for good. Before she steps out of the gilded cage, she looks back with tears in her eyes and memories of the past flashing before her. Soo knows she will never see the palace again.

This is me and HS at this point

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9. GJ looks from afar with tears streaming down his face. Memories of happier times flashing before him. WS is inconsolable but GJ soldiers on. He fulfils his promise to YH to give her an heir.

I think I found another wolf as inconsolable as WS or me...

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20. Words finally reach GJ and Baek Ah that Soo has passed away. He is shocked beyond words. He scrambles for the unread letter. He finds it and opens it with trembling hands. He sees Soo's handwriting for the first time. Reads the letter while the audience weeps with him. All inconsolable.

Me at this point

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About the spoiler kiss.... Delulu me will cry harder if this also happens

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This spoiler kiss that haven't been used in any scene....

I was just thinking if they're going to use it in the part where WS is so broken and he finds himself again, visiting the lake in the middle of the night because it's already becoming a habit for him to go there just to catch a glimpse of his significance other and because that is where he and HS meet most of the time. After telling himself he is stupid and HS isn't in this world anymore, he tirns back and he suddenly sees HS from afar crying and said "I wait here for a long time. What took you so long?". He can't believe it but she keeps on coming closer to him. And then when she is within his reach, he kiss her hard, all while crying. But then when he he realizes that it's all just his hallucination. And then his heart (along with ours) becomes hard, more broken, shattered, and inconsolable when HS hallucination leaving him. (I'm so sorry. I'm just a sucker for this kind of sad scene. Maybe I really am a masochist when watching a melodrama. LOL)

 

THIS DRAMA HAS DONE A 180 ON MY LIFE AND MY FAMILY&FRIENDS ALREADY QUESTIONED MY EMOTIONAL STATE LOL

I NEED TO STOP DESTROYING MYSELF WITH THESE SAD PREDICTION

NOW THEN, HYPNOTIZING THE DRAMA

PLEASE DON'T BE SO-SOO *pun intended* SAD DRAMA. AND THIS IS NOT HEALING AT ALL LJG-SHI... IF YOU WANT ME TO HEAL A LITTLE BIT... AT LEAST, JUST... GIVE ME HAPPY ENDING PLEASE. 

[riuenu]

Just drop by to lighten the mood abit on this fan edit...

All our princes become paparazzi...

credit to _9sxjy

 

[q4q4]

3 hours ago, Adnana said:

 

No noble idiocy in E18. At least, not in the first half.

@briseis I disagree. If E18 did one thing right, is build up to the inevitability of Wang So having to give in to the clans' pressure in order to protect his as-yet very tenuous hold on the throne. Hae Soo's decision to reject his marriage proposal in the established context wasn't noble idiocy but necessary sacrifice.

Let's review the facts.

Wang So is a newly crowned king, who hasn't had enough time (and resources) yet to build a strong foundation for his throne. Moreover, there are still ugly rumors swirling in the background, questioning the very legitimacy of his ascension. No small thing, that. All of which means, So's position as King is very shaky. Not enough, maybe, that a strong, concentrated gust (of opposition) could blow him off the throne... but not far off it either.

Goryeo itself is still a young, vulnerable nation, made up of many rival clans with conflicting interests, tenuously held together. How easily So's own maternal clan, led by Jung, comes before King Gwangjong in E17, questioning his right to rule and threatening secession. The many powerful clans of the land, with their significant share of economic power, their sizeable private armies and their complex agendas, hold all the real power and Goryeo's king at that point in history has a very limited scope of what he can actually do. If he doesn't juggle the complex game of politics well, he might even get to see the whole fragile nation disbanding before his eyes. Queen Hwangbo is right when she matter-of-factly warns So of the risk that one misstep might shatter his father, King Taejo's, great legacy.

"Are you going to let Goryeo fall apart during your reign, Your Majesty?"

So's position as a young, untested King--in just a few short years he's the 3rd in a line of princes that have so far failed to prove themselves worthy successors of Taejo--is particularly untenable in the drama. Whereas historical Wang So had the support of three powerful clans (maternal, adopted, wife's), drama Wang So stands alone. He's been cut off by his maternal clan (the Chungju Yoos are even actively working against him), his adopted Shinju Kang clan seems to have vanished in the woodwork (bad writing, there), and there's no wife. The General who made So's rebellion succeed is gone, too. In a land where power is derived from the clans, So has no clans supporting his rule. When they boycott him, there's nothing he can do, no alliance of stronger clans he can call upon to keep the others in check.

With the General gone, there's no military might he can call upon either--not that it would have been a solution anyway. Now that his rebellion has succeeded, the fight has moved from the military to the political arena, and that's where So has to play now, and win. I mean, it's not like he can kill everyone, right? Then there'd be no ministers, no court left to rule over--and everyone else left from all the clans would be baying for the king's blood. In truth, it's still much too early for it to be viable (or even possible) to implement the bloody purges that Gwangjong comes to be known for much later, when his reign is secure. 

In any case, did you catch how King Gwangjong showed up for Court but there was neither hide nor hair of his ministers or any court officials to be seen? He had to wait impotently, sitting on his throne in an empty room (talk about heavy-handed symbolism!) until Wook showed up with his demands. Outrageous demands, that the King relinquish all his financial and military power--but demands that Wook felt safe to make because he had the backing of the clans, whereas the King had no backing, and so the King was weak, and so all the power that the King was being asked to hand over was actually his in name only and not available in fact for him to wield. Not without the support of the clans.

I won't even get into all the reasons why the clans and the entire Court would have been outraged had King Gwangjong chosen Hae Soo as his Queen. Frankly, her scar--though the taboo against a scarred woman belonging to the King is real and deeply-ingrained enough to not be easily challenged in Goryeo society--is a minor issue compared to:

1) her status as a mere court lady who's served many kings for many years

2) her belonging to a minor clan only (if she wasn't disinherited by them completely, that is, which is actually very likely after that debacle when she almost married the King Taejo)

3) her suspect behavior at Damiwon, which includes her unusual knowledge of various aspects, her alien writing etc.--all of which made Soo personally very suspicious and particularly questionable as the King's potential partner.

"She has no background. Yet, she has many weaknesses."

And for the King to reject all available princesses, all the noble daughters from the powerful clans, and instead marry a suspect little nobody like Soo? Moreover, a scarred nobody?! Not only would the nobles have been personally offended, but they might have also--rightfully--questioned the King's sanity. Or at least his capacity to act as a real ruler should.

In the Court's eyes, not only was Soo too severely lacking in all aspects (background, position, behavior; and yes, the scar) to ever be considered worthy to marry the King, but she was even liable to fall in personal danger because of the existing suspicions about her. Like, her alien writing--might it mean that she was a foreign spy? Let's not even talk about Soo being accepted as the King's bride; if some powerful accusers had stepped forward, and with some extra fabricated evidence, she might have seen her very life endangered. And maybe not even the King--as weak as he is now--could have protected her. You do remember King Taejo (comparatively more secure in his reign, and considerably more powerful at the time) and how he still had to sacrifice Lady Oh, right?

 

Once again, I've written too much, but the short and main of it is, there was no way in hell that So could marry Soo and keep his throne at this point in time. He could NOT fight all the clans for her because he was at the start of his reign, and too weak. He would NOT have won, could not have won--but his rash actions had he tried that route would have likely precipitated the very worst-case-scenario, namely the dissolution of Goryeo itself. So knew all that, but he was too stubborn and proud and determined not to break another promise to Soo, so he proposed to her anyway. Soo knew it too, so she refused his proposal.  And So had no leg to argue against Soo's selfless decision. No noble idiocy involved on either side, just clear-headed acceptance.

So literally had no choice but to let Soo refuse him and pick a powerful wife instead, like he should have done in the first place. He did NOT marry Yeonhwa because Soo told him to; he married her because it had to be done, only he refused to do it until Soo allowed him to. He needed Yeonhwa's clan's support to finally get the other clans to acknowledge him and allow him to act as King (i.e. by actually showing up for Court).

One last thing. As I see it, faced with the untenable (give up making Soo his Queen or lose the throne), So gritted his teeth, strangled his soul-deep outrage and unwillingness and compromised. He married Yeonhwa for the chance to at last become King in fact as well as name--that is, for the chance to grow the power he needed not to be forced to EVER compromise again. He couldn't marry Soo now, and that's why he's so angry and why he's turned so much darker and sinister after his wedding to Yeonhwa and why he's hardcore going for vengeance now that he finally can--but I'm positive that his ultimate goal is to bide his time and arrive at a place of unshakable strength from where he really CAN fight the clans, and the whole world if need be, and win. A position from where he can finally safely reach for Hae Soo and hold her to him without endangering her, or his throne. Little does he know that by the time he rises to that position, it will be too late. Soo will have already left him--not by simply stepping outside the Palace (where So could, and would, have brought her back eventually)--but in a far more permanent and soul-crushing way.

THIS NEEDS TO GET REPOSTED A MILLION TIMES OVER. 

Thank you again lol 

[clarissasan]

1 minute ago, Eva Fauziah said:

I want to shout to all koreans and moon lovers here . . .

"Hey you !! if you skip next ep show, you will regret it !!! it may be forever best crying, sad or goodbye scene/act in k drama"

yes ! you will regret it, it may be the best act of LJK !

so face it, be brave !

so moon lovers, eclipses dont skip, dont blink in ep 19-20.

 

Hahahaha yes you're right!!  I can't even eat while watching, my food usually become cold and I end up not having appetite after watching each episodes because my mood will get gloomy. ,

it should be quiet, just me and my tv, can't tolerate any distraction. 

can't wait for monday !

[zi4r]

1 hour ago, hiluna said:

I love reading your posts @zi4rand how you can keep your emotions out of the equation in your analysis. This will be the first time I have a slight disagreement with you about your statement above. WS has respected her opinions enough to have quoted her to Jung after saving him from the one armed man "the higher up you are, the more you should care about justice", he respected and enjoyed her knowledge of the stars, he keeps what she says in his heart when he has get rid of his enemies "you probably won't be forgiven, but still I understand you". This was the HS he fell in love with and you are right, the writer made her disappear in order to progress the story to its inevitable end. Your statement needs to be qualified by the old HS and current HS and yes I think WS lost some respect for her after Eun's death and he can no longer trust her thoughts and advice especially now as GJ.

Hey. Thanks for adding to the analysis. You are right. That sentence needs tons of qualifiers, but I am not sure how to really define those qualifiers. But let me try.

IMO, whether old or current HS, WS sees her as a "conductor of light" for him, but not the light itself. (It's a Sherlock fandom reference. Read in spoiler tag for full background.)

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Sherlock Holmes said to Dr. John Watson: "You've never been the most luminous of people, but as a conductor of light, you are unbeatable!"

As in, John is not the brightest bulb when it comes to having ideas of his own, but he brings out the greatness in Sherlock. It's a very self-possessed statement, because he is basically saying that without Sherlock's already existing brain/ideas, John's input is quite useless.

Basically, there are things he actively seeks advice/reassurance from her, and whenever he does that, it is either to reaffirm his own already-held beliefs, or it is because he thinks he is lacking in that particular area. But if he feels that she might not agree with him about something he has already decided on his own, he generally avoids confrontation by not even consulting with her at all.

So, in things that he knows he falls short (usually anything to do with emotional maturity or moral compass), he actively seeks out her direction. And whenever he feels himself faltering and feels bad about himself, he seeks out her reassurance (e.g. When he thought he killed Yo, he seeks her understanding & acceptance). In things he is indecisive about, he would probably have sought out her input (even though I don't have an example for it).

But he seems to not trust her with the decision-making of anything strategic. Not only does he not seek out her advice, he (more often than not) kept her totally in the dark about the situation or his decisions. Especially when he feels he has already made up his mind about something, he generally avoids getting an input from her at all (e.g. about kid marriage).

WS's respect of HS's opinions is a highly debatable part of this drama (Many people have criticized him for not respecting her opinion in the "beach on the horse" scene, remember?), and one that we would never really know the answer to. Because the focus of the drama and the focus of their relationship has always been about WS protecting HS. HS's input to the relationship kinda ended in Ep8 when she covered up his scar and uncovered his greatness. Since then, the relationship has been quite one-sided; except for a few times he needs reassurance here and there, it's always HS depending on WS at every turn. So, I guess we will never know the answer to the question of how much her input mattered to him..... because that answer never truly mattered to the story as a whole. Sad, really.

Edited October 27, 2016 by zi4r
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