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16 minutes ago, penelop3 said:

@riuenu I'm with you here. I dont hate Soo. Sometimes I want to smack her head for being so dense and gullible; and most of the time I want to shook her senseless for staying loyal and loving Wook - whom we all know a giant snake. But I dont hate her. 
I admire her loyalty, her kindness, her optimistic view of the world, her generosity, and her ability to give herself to someone so completely. 
I didnt watch the C-version so cant really compare her to Rouxi. Heard Rouxi is way smarter. But Soo is smart too.. in beauty dept. Hahaha.. 
She is perfect for So. Yin Yang. So is so manly, strong, hard, whereas Soo is so feminine, fragile, soft. They really really compliment each other.
ove these couple!  :heart: 

thanks for been with me @penelop3 <3, with half of the forum bashing her, and quite a handful of people trying to kill Soo in forum

Her senseless towards Wook show her loyalty, even in not so clever way, but hey, that always mean, she accepted So, her loyalty remain or even more. We all know Wook is a giant snake with double face, cause as a viewer, we see everything, but she didnt know that...lol, am I sounding too defensive towards Soo again...

"her loyalty, her kindness, her optimistic view of the world, her generosity, and her ability to give herself to someone so completely. " This is why I love her as the episode go by, taking in consideration of putting us, in her shoes, will we act this way, or will we be worst..

I 2nd to your Yin Yang theory, hahaha, I love this couple too much, that I simply do not know how to let them go when the show end

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wow u guys are on fire. honestly after reading recap i have been angry at hs. yeah i understood why she might not trust So because of her past experiences, but still had trouble coming to terms with it. now after reading so many argumentative posts about hs decision, my anger has cooled down and kinda came to terms with her decision. i especially liked the argument that "she did it to protect SO. she knew that her premonition will come true.and hence she tried to avoid So-eun together.she knew So would be hurt.its not that she does not trust SO, but its her way of saving everybody."

sorry read so many posts i forgot who put forward this point. nice take on hs decision. i do hope this is the reason she did. because i dont like the other alternative.

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3 minutes ago, riuenu said:

thanks for been with me @penelop3 <3, with half of the forum bashing her, and quite a handful of people trying to kill Soo in forum

Her senseless towards Wook show her loyalty, even in not so clever way, but hey, that always mean, she accepted So, her loyalty remain or even more. We all know Wook is a giant snake with double face, cause as a viewer, we see everything, but she didnt know that...lol, am I sounding too defensive towards Soo again...

"her loyalty, her kindness, her optimistic view of the world, her generosity, and her ability to give herself to someone so completely. " This is why I love her as the episode go by, taking in consideration of putting us, in her shoes, will we act this way, or will we be worst..

I 2nd to your Yin Yang theory, hahaha, I love this couple too much, that I simply do not know how to let them go when the show end

@riuenu By keep watching their sweet moments in loop. Until you're hooked with a new drama! :sweatingbullets:
I hope not. I need to get my life back after MLSHR!

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7 minutes ago, gwiyeowooh said:

HAE SOO HATE Everywhere.. well she is still Wang So's MAIN CHICK.. still the one getting all those kisses and lovin from WS. 

 

I think the hate is because the trust issue that the lady bear raised to HS.

But when If looked back at the prev ep, the foreshadowing stargazing conversation that crazy eomma might have known that he will kill his brother and when he was crying then she hugged him.

HS knows that WS is deeply hurt by it, so it is more of trying to protect WS from being forced(by WY possibly using her on any kind of tricks) to hurt his brother. 

Please don't hate HS too much and wanting to kill her earlier or sent her back to 21st century, she is still my Wang So oppa's baby loves

 

Send her back, end of story/drama, thanks for watching guys, the drama had ended prematurely at episode 16 or 17...if this is really what you guys wanted...*sigh*

on the lighter note...I know I keep spamming forum with the kissing gif, but here is one, zoomed in, credit to @cuteLJG

 

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16 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

Yes... but then in the episode 7, he used Hae Soo in order to set a trap for Wang So (showing his scar). This scene reveals that yo knows that Hae Soo is important for Wang So. He must have noticed Wang So's smile, when Hae Soo complimented him. Besides, Wang So asked for Hae Soo after the rain ritual so by doing so, it is clear that Wang So is really interested in her. Then again later, he drank the poison and Yo knew about the poisoning and that Hae Soo was the court lady who would be framed. He knew that his brother knew as well. His mother must have told him, even if we didn't see the scene. There were many actions that proved Wang So's love for Hae Soo.

 

Oh good point. I forgot that had happened in episode 7. That would have been the optimal point in time for WS to realize he should be less obvious that he cared about HS. He saw that his brothers used his affection for HS to do something he ordinarily wouldn't have.

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5 minutes ago, penelop3 said:

@riuenu By keep watching their sweet moments in loop. Until you're hooked with a new drama! :sweatingbullets:
I hope not. I need to get my life back after MLSHR!

I think I will keep repeating from episode 4 till the end..searching high and low for their fmv..and download it and put into my lappy, and continue watch it... and wait for the director DVD cut...it is hard for me to move on from a drama I eat and sleep with

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the last drama I stuck for months is Pinocchio, it took me quite awhile to move on...and the time I contribute here is even more then the time I contributed in Pinocchio, the level of craziness..is double or triple...

 

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2 minutes ago, riuenu said:

Send her back, end of story/drama, thanks for watching guys, the drama had ended prematurely at episode 16 or 17...if this is really what you guys wanted...*sigh*

on the lighter note...I know I keep spamming forum with the kissing gif, but here is one, zoomed in, credit to @cuteLJG

 

He looks ill! his face is weird

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11 minutes ago, Chickpea said:

...and @dears......Good Morning...  Thank you.  I stand corrected on the history.  All I know about the history is what I read on this thread and what I saw on Wikipedia when I looked up Wang So.  I saw no reference to Yoo being King after Moo, only the connection between Moo and So, marriage with the daughter.  So, the history is correct BECAUSE Hae Soo traveled back a thousand years....

 

Yo is Jeongjong I of Goryeo who ruled from 945-949.

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was busy at office today and so may mails escalations had already spoiled my day and now this.. HS being hated..???

just checked last 3-4 pages (cant back read more  than that...had a tough day at work and now my eyes badly need some sleep) and still cant get why HS being hated... but can speculate she must have done something in todays epi to instigate that....and this suspense is killing me...still ill have to watch epi14 with subs before I can watch 15...so its gonna be another 2 days to be at same page where all you have already reached...

*saying to myself - hwaiting*

16 minutes ago, riuenu said:

I admire her loyalty, her kindness, her optimistic view of the world, her generosity, and her ability to give herself to someone so completely. 

@penelop3

i dont know in what reference we are talking about but I can certainly agree on that part about HS and her selfless side..(I have yet to watch todays epi) but until I get the real picture of it I am with both of you on that (and hoping after watchign too i'll feel the same)

PS.. another kiss next weekk...woohaaaaa.....I love it just love... we are still under hangover of last Mutual Kiss and now this one...see how HS is tightening her hold on his back...and its night time too... some really good moments to look forward to next week.

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1 minute ago, Razmotte Cazabon said:

He looks ill! his face is weird

yup, that is why I think, this is when he block the arrow for Soo...and she, nursing him back to health...I think he should be badly injured...by Yo arrow..that LION KING...arghhhhhhh

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Again, I volunteer myself to be WS's wife, lover, supporter or anything to make me by his side if HS is incapable of that :P:D LOL. 

Joking aside, HS does trust WS, she proved it before, so why do you guys think she doesn't now when they became lovers ?? Yes she could be dense some times and too naive for her own good, but it's not that she doesn't trust WS.

She has seen him, she knows how he felt when he thought he killed his brother ( the evil one who couldn't care less abut him ) and she definitely doesn't want him to suffer again, one more thing is that she was certain her visions would come true so she tried to keep every person in them away from each other which means WS away from Eun and SD, we've seen her still determined to keep the brothers safe and not make WS the king who killed his siblings, but unfortunately she didn't know how to do and it backfired and she 'll have to live with the guilt of their death as well and as much as she felt when Lady Oh died.

So guys please, don't hate on her so much, let's give her a chance, yes we want her to make good decisions and be smart, but when everything goes wrong all at once, there's only too little of what a person can do.

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3 minutes ago, riuenu said:

I think I will keep repeating from episode 4 till the end..searching high and low for their fmv..and download it and put into my lappy, and continue watch it... and wait for the director DVD cut...it is hard for me to move on from a drama I eat and sleep with

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the last drama I stuck for months is Pinocchio, it took me quite awhile to move on...

 

@riuenu Mine is Reply 1988! Too good..! Then I'm back with my usual routine until MLSHR comes along. I think I will rewatch and rewatch until bored. 

 

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5 hours ago, maskros said:

 

RX didn't 'deal' anything with Yu Tan. This is what happened in BBJX:

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After witnessing many deaths following 4th's ascendance to the throne, RX tried to get YT away from the palace (still oblivious to the fact that YT was connected to 9th). 4th, now the emperor, agreed, but it was YT who insisted on staying, saying it's because she wanted to be with RX. She met no objection from RX.

Now in the palace, YT started to cause a rift in the relationship between 4th and his son and between RX & 4th too. Of course, RX didn't know about this, and she actually didn't know about any of YT's shady practices until witnessing her death and got told by 4th about YT's betrayal. So basically she didn't have the opportunity to confront YT.

 

@churasan: Well, in the original novel it was a little bit clearer about 14th's feelings toward RX. However, as his love was meant to be silent, the best undercover love in the whole novel, it became oblivious to RX, and since the story is told from RX's POV, it consequently became oblivious to many readers. The drama wasn't too clear on this front either and they omitted one key detail, that is 14th's retaining RX's hairpin after she risked her life to save him from the Emperor's wrath. If you don't mind a spoiler, here are the signs, which will be more obvious from the novel:

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14th's feeling for RX wasn't straightforward and came with a lot of back and forth travelling.

1) He first liked her (like, very impressed) during 10th's birthday where RX sang a song for 10th. It was him who told 8th about RX's singing and it was later these two men (8th & 14th) who asked RX to sing for them (14th asked her more than once, once after 10th's birthday and once near the time of her death), a sign that they were in love with her and wanted to be seen & treated as special by her. In other words, they both wanted to be in RX's spotlight. 14th later told the Mongolian princess that he first liked RX hearing her song. RX thought he was just making up the story to protect his cover, because she would never expect that he would actually harbour feelings for her, judging from how he had disagreed with her quite some times in the past.

2) If you remember the first time when RX and Wulu met where she was sitting with 13th & Wulu and met 14th and his noble followers, you will notice that he quickly jumped to offer to take RX home. It was very obvious in the novel too and showed that he had this tendency of being protective and possessive in his love.

3) His feeling for RX, however, wasn't consistent at first because it was frequently overshadowed by his absolute loyalty to 8th. Since he loved and cared for both of them, he started to aggressively ship them. A fan who noticed this called this 'emotional laundering'; that is, when you can't or don't want to admit to your true feeling for some reason, you start to ship/ tease the person you like with someone else as a form of denial. I don't know if everyone has seen this before but I have witnessed a fair share during my junior/ secondary school days.14th was doing this and at some point he genuinely thought it would be good for both RX and 8th to be together since he knew they had mutual feelings. Granted, men in those days don't care too much about what women think, so it was very natural that he took 8th's side and turned rather nasty to RX when her love with 8th ended.

4) Now came the time when RX risked her life to protect 14th. When she won in the horse race against the Mongolian princess, she told the horsekeeper to throw away her bloodstained hairpin, but 14th told the servant to hand it to him, and he kept it until the end of her day. His retaining the hairpin wasn't shown in the drama, and we only knew its fate when Tong Hua revealed it in her epilogues, which were published much later. In it, 4th, after punishing 14th by keeping him under confinement, took away this hairpin and later left a letter to 14th after his (4th's) death, saying he gave 14th freedom (from both the confinement and from his love to RX) by taking the hairpin away with him to his grave.

5) After the horse race, the Mongolian princess chased after RX jokingly and both 13th and 9th teasingly gave RX up to the princess. Only 14th stood out to block the princess when RX ran to hide behind his back. I would call 4 & 5 the time when his feeling finally ripen to love. This was after RX and 8th broke up and both wiped it clean (not really with 8th, but he told 14th to not disturb RX anymore after his angry outburst with her, so it implied that 14th took it to mean that 8th was also willing to let RX go). 14th's feeling now was no longer restrained by his loyalty to 8th and could fully blossom.

6) Like a previous poster said, it was him to beg for RX when she was kneeling days on end in the rain. It was also him who asked the Emperor to grant RX to him THREE times when she was under punishment working as a laundry maid. 

7) Then we've got the rain scene. In the novel, the rain scene was both meaningful and symbolic, not for 4th & RX, RX & 8th, but also for RX & 14th. 14th brought RX lotus cake. This wasn't made clear in the drama, but it followed RX's explanation to 10th, using candied sweet and lotus cake figuratively to persuade him to get over his infatuation for her (the past/the candied sweet) to come to appreciate his wife (the present/ the lotus cake). 14th bringing lotus to RX under the rain was symbolic in that the writer implied he would become RX's lotus cake, the one who is always there, the one she would rely on but also the one she took for granted while she was chasing a shadow, a love that could never be (4th). The Emperor, after hearing about RX's candied/lotus cake analogy, also asked her whether she would be able to see past what is impossible to appreciate what is closer and more attainable. The fact that 14th brought her lotus cake also suggested that he remembered her favourite treat even if the story she told 10th might have been pure figurative, and also suggested that he wished to be the one she would turn to acknowledge, just as she hoped 10th would turn and acknowledge the significance of his wife in his life.

8) When RX was married to 14th, RX's personal maid had to wonder about 14th's knowledge of RX's very personal habits (of liking to have a bath with flower petals strewn in the bathtub & not having anyone close to her while she was bathing). In the drama, there was a similar scene where RX was having a bath alone with flower petals in her bathtub. Fans' guess is that since YT accompanied RX almost everywhere, she knew first hand about this, and since YT was very close to 9th who in turn had a connection with 8th gang (&14th too), 14th might have learned this from YT. Well, if he was merely a friend like 13th, there wouldn't be any reason for him to be so meticulous to her liking and very private habit would there?

9) When RX stayed at 14th's manor, there were more than once that 14th got his hope up only to be dampened by RX's mentioning of 4th's name. This was also very suggestive of his quiet love for her.

So yeah, 14th was there all along, but his love isn't meant to be made public. It is meant to be the lotus cake, the one taken for granted, the one quiet & subtle. Judging from how many fans (including me) have missed his tell-tale signs, Tong Hua was very successful in crafting his side of the love story. 

It's simply the intention of the writer in Moon Lovers to make 14th's love more known.

 

 

Thank you so much for taking the time to explain all of this time.  Wow!  That's a whole other love story that could give both the 8th and 4th princes a run for their money! :w00t: I never knew it ran that deep.  It's so sad that the dramas aren't long enough to develop it more.  Who says they can't have a main lead and 2 second leads? :P

In my job, I need to think critically and creatively all the time.  So when I watch dramas, I just want to be entertained and not have to analyze things too deeply.  Of course, this makes me miss a lot of stuff such as subtle nuances, foreshadowing, and symbolism of things, etc.... like the whole thing with the 14th prince.  There are so many things with SCR that I would have never of guessed if it were not for what people write in these posts.  Like the whole prediction about HS being a beautician.  I thought "Oh, how nice - a typical career for women her age." I never would have guessed she was given that ability for the purpose of covering up WS's scar.  It wasn't until all the predictions from this forum that made me realize her job would play such an important role in the story.  But, one positive thing about just watching for entertainment value is that things like the music, editing, etc. don't bother me since I don't analyze what could be better or done differently.  They are what they are and moving past those things allow me to simply enjoy the story.
 

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4 minutes ago, riuenu said:

yup, that is why I think, this is when he block the arrow for Soo...and she, nursing him back to health...I think he should be badly injured...by Yo arrow..that LION KING...arghhhhhhh

Wait.. if he's injured.. then he would not be able to.... :huh:
No bed scene? :blink:

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[Lyrics for 달의 연인 - 보보경심 려 OST Part 13] 임도혁 (Do Hyeok Lim) - 안녕 (Goodbye)

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The English translaton of the lyrics hit me hard again...I guess, this is from So point of view...after Soo had gone..

English translation 

Do you remember?
A guy who wanted to protect you
I got chocked up when I see you
It feels like I’m going to cry

Love you, I’ll remember you forever
Because I wanted to protect you

I was behind of you while you’re leaving
I was looking at you with tears

One day when you think of me
Or when you miss me
Please come find me whenever
Even time goes by

My forever lover, goodbye even I miss you
goodbye for you
I’ll smile for you who live in my mind
goodbye for now

Love you, I’ll remember you forever
Because I wanted to protect you

I was behind of you while you’re leaving
I was looking at you with tears

One day when you think of me
Or when you miss me
Please come find me whenever
Even time goes by

My forever lover, goodbye even I miss you
goodbye for you
I’ll smile for you who live in my mind
goodbye for now

Wait for me with hiding sad words
Just go without saying
Please don’t look back at me

I couldn’t say this word
The one who I love the most in the world is you

My forever lover, goodbye even I miss you
goodbye for you
I’ll smile for you who live in my mind
goodbye for now

Hangul

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기억하고 있니
널 지켜주고 싶던 한사람
코끝이 찡해져 널
바라보면 눈물이 날것 같아

사랑해 너만을 기억해 언제나
지켜주고 싶던 나라서

떠나가는 너의 뒤에서
울먹이며 너를 바라보고 있었어

살다가 내가 생각날때
어느날엔가 그리울때
언제든 나를 찾아와줘
세월이 흐른대도

영원히 내 사랑 그리워도 난 안녕
너를 위해서 나는 안녕
내가슴속에서
살아있는 널위해 웃을게
이제는 안녕

사랑해 너만을 기억해 언제나
지켜주고 싶던 나라서

떠나가는 너의 뒤에서
울먹이며 너를 바라보고 있었어

살다가 내가 생각날때
어느날엔가 그리울때
언제든 나를 찾아와줘
세월이 흐른대도

영원히 내 사랑
그리워도 난 안녕
너를 위해서 나는 안녕
내가슴속에서
살아있는 널위해 웃을게
이제는 안녕

기다려줘 가슴 아픈 말을 숨긴채
그저 돌아서줘 인사없이 가줘
날 돌아보지 말아줘

너에게 고백하고 싶은
이 말 아직 하지 못했어

내 생에 가장
사랑했던 사람은 너였다고 말할게

내 사랑 그리워도 난 안녕
너를 위해서 나는 안녕
내 가슴속에서
살아있는 널위해 웃을게
이제는 안녕

 

 Romanization

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gieokhago issni
neol jikyeojugo sipdeon hansaram
kokkeuti jjinghaejyeo neol
barabomyeon nunmuri nalgeot gata

saranghae neomaneul gieokhae eonjena
jikyeojugo sipdeon naraseo

tteonaganeun neoui dwieseo
ulmeogimyeo neoreul barabogo isseosseo

saldaga naega saenggaknalttae
eoneunarenga geuriulttae
eonjedeun nareul chajawajwo
sewori heureundaedo

yeongwonhi nae sarang geuriwodo nan annyeong
neoreul wihaeseo naneun annyeong
naegaseumsogeseo
saraissneun neorwihae useulge
ijeneun annyeong

saranghae neomaneul gieokhae eonjena
jikyeojugo sipdeon naraseo

tteonaganeun neoui dwieseo
ulmeogimyeo neoreul barabogo isseosseo

saldaga naega saenggaknalttae
eoneunarenga geuriulttae
eonjedeun nareul chajawajwo
sewori heureundaedo

yeongwonhi nae sarang
geuriwodo nan annyeong
neoreul wihaeseo naneun annyeong
naegaseumsogeseo
saraissneun neorwihae useulge
ijeneun annyeong

gidaryeojwo gaseum apeun mareul sumginchae
geujeo doraseojwo insaeopsi gajwo
nal doraboji marajwo

neoege gobaekhago sipeun
i mal ajik haji moshaesseo

nae saenge gajang
saranghaessdeon sarameun neoyeossdago malhalge

nae sarang geuriwodo nan annyeong
neoreul wihaeseo naneun annyeong
nae gaseumsogeseo
saraissneun neorwihae useulge
ijeneun annyeong

 

credit to https://ilyricsbuzz.com/2016/10/do-hyeok-lim-goodbye-moon-lovers-scarlet-heart-ost.html

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1 hour ago, soorani said:

I think you guys are being too harsh on Hae Soo, as some people have already pointed out it wasn't about her not trusting So, but more about her trying to avoid her premonitions to happen. 

 

I agree with you :)

Trusting people is not easy even though you love them. People with broken heart and disappointment to someone in the past may understand this better. It's hard to trust anyone completely like before :(This 'trusting' thing process in this drama is actually very realistic which made me quite impressed.

There are two type of trust in this drama that I can conclude:

1. The foolish trust (like the first time we fall in love and we're completely blind by love) from Hae Soo to Wook,

2. The slow-process trust (already disappointed with many people so can't easily trust people anymore) from Hae Soo to Wang So. 

I can't blame Hae Soo for not trusting Wang So in some aspects,  A mature woman must be independent by herself and not trusting anyone completely. It shows how Hae Soo has changed a lot and matured. Her self-reliance is also high this time. I know trust is the key for successful relationship, but apparently too much trust will also end up with too much disappointment.

The writer has done a good job :) and I believe he/she has the same trust issue in the past so he/she can wrote story like this. Daebak! :D

 

 

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1 minute ago, penelop3 said:

Wait.. if he's injured.. then he would not be able to.... :huh:
No bed scene? :blink:

 

i don't know but the passionate kiss in the bedroom and it does't help WS in his under cloth..... LOL

this is the type of kiss that if don't end up on the bed it will end up awkward... i mean did they say goodnight and then go to sleep??? LOL

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