atgirlina Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 31 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said: I understand why Hae Soo rejects Wang So's proposal. She has many reasons for her refusal: - Wang Wook had already proposed to her and in the end, she was betrayed - Lady Oh's death: The court lady had warned her that she was blind and she shouldn't trust the marriage proposal from Wang Wook. Lady Oh's death has such an impact on Hae Soo. She lost her mother and she can't forget that if she had followed lady Oh's advice (leaving the palace), the latter wouldn't have died because of her. So as a sign of respect towards lady Oh, she wants to follow her mother's advice: cut all the ties with the princes. - She can't trust anyone any longer. This was the second advice from lady Oh. She is following her advice. Moreover, if she accepted Wang So's proposal, this would make her look like an easy woman. She needs time to forget Wang Wook. She can't jump to the next ship so quickly! Exactly. Soo just needs time. Wook hurt her bad. For her to just say yes right after would be bad too, soo need time to heal so she can have a healthy relationship with so. 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SizzlerZ Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 25 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said: I understand why Hae Soo rejects Wang So's proposal. She has many reasons for her refusal: - Wang Wook had already proposed to her and in the end, she was betrayed - Lady Oh's death: The court lady had warned her that she was blind and she shouldn't trust the marriage proposal from Wang Wook. Lady Oh's death has such an impact on Hae Soo. She lost her mother and she can't forget that if she had followed lady Oh's advice (leaving the palace), the latter wouldn't have died because of her. So as a sign of respect towards lady Oh, she wants to follow her mother's advice: cut all the ties with the princes. - She can't trust anyone any longer. This was the second advice from lady Oh. She is following her advice. Moreover, if she accepted Wang So's proposal, this would make her look like an easy woman. She needs time to forget Wang Wook. She can't jump to the next ship so quickly! You're reasoning actually makes perfect sense. If any of these reasons do happen to be why HS rejects WS then I hope she tells him this. Although I don't think that's going to happen but in my wildest imagination HS will tell WS the reason, WS being WS will continue to patiently pursue her and when WS successfully manages to destroy every possible reason HS has for rejecting him they will secretly live happily ever after in a village defying history. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sukbin Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 54 minutes ago, SizzlerZ said: If Hae Soo rejects Wang So then what was her reason!?!?!? Concubine Oh?? If it is then please let Wang So know, I'm sure he'll understand... I have been reading quietly for sometimes and I have officially abandoned the Soo-So ship since episode 10. Tbh, I don't understand why Wang So has to propose marriage when he is aware of the facts that there are so many things going on in Haesoo's life. Somehow, I miss the reserved Wang So who always look cool. I don't like him doing extreme chasing. He devalues himself when he was so "hard to get" type when the drama started. I would prefer for the drama to progress with Haesoo falling for him naturally now that Wook is out of the picture. Wouldn't it be nice if marriage proposal never to take place at all at this juncture? I feel that the writer went overboard with Wang So's possesiveness. I guess, the drama will only serve us 6 episodes of romance between our OTP, the last two episodes will be reserved for her disdain towards Wang So once he becomes the ruthless Gwangjong. I hate that Lee Jun Ki doing the chasing, in my book, no girl can ever say no to LJK. This is beyond logic. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzibitzispider Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 See ... there ... in the hidden content for LyraYoos post ... he stands on her dress!!!!!!!! 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenchopflipflop Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 was watching the marathon and i have a theory! A few episodes back, HS had several startling revelations about WS as GJ which started right after the rain ritual. However, in the following episode, this plot line got sidelined but i have a feeling it is going to return. Spoiler by helping WS conceal his scar, HS has changed history and accelerated WS's claim to the throne. If not for the missing scar, WY would not have been shocked and would lead the rain ritual instead of WS, hence gaining the approval of the people and succeed the CP as king after the CP dies of ill health (as per what was written in history) Because of HS, WS became the one who conducted the ritual and gained the approval of the people instead, thus she made him the 2nd king to succeed the throne after CP. because she made a big change in history, thats why she starts seeing visions of WS being cruel, and killing the 10th prince, things that WY, the original 2nd king was supposed to do (as listed in history). However, as we know history cannot change, so something will happen later on that will cover the crack in history that HS made. My guess is WS and Baekha will plot to take down CP's enemies (WY and WW). If WS and BH's plan worked, then WS will kill off the CP's enemies and succeed the CP after he dies of illness. however, HS, still having feelings for WW, will warn him of the impending attack and ends up sabotaging WS and BH. The plan will go very wrong and CP will be killed as a result. somehow, HS will right history again by helping WW and WY attain the upper hand which allows WY to rightfully succeed the throne after CP. Although history is set back on course, and HS's visions will stop, WS will be deeply affected by the loss of the CP, and this will be the start of an insurmountable rift between WS and HS that will propel the story to its eventual conclusion, one that is similar to the C version (both love each other deeply, but hurt each other so much they can no longer be together.) Just a prediction, i am just so involved in this drama that i keep trying to forecast what will happen in the show.... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nymeria289 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Diana Blanche said: This bothers me too. We've had 11 episodes to see how Wang Wook has lured her with his words and his lovey-dovey gestures. And it seems that even in the next two episodes we will not see any gesture of affection from her towards Wang So. All I hope is that in the episodes who will be left Hae Soo will accept Wang So love in the end and the interaction between her and him to be mutual and intense. But I still question myself if she will accept Wang So because she really loves him or because she feels grateful towards him. Will it be love or gratitude? I hope with all my heart to be love. You aren't alone in this. I do find the chemistry between Hae Su and Wang So to be intense but from one side only. It might have something to do with Lee Jun Ki's micro-expressions that shifts from love, madness, hurt and understanding all at once and Hae Su's one note wide eyed response. I don't expect her to fall in love with him at once keeping in mind her response for the past 11 episodes which has oscillated from fear to understanding back to pity to understanding to fear again. Not once did I feel an underlying subtle shift in her emotions to something romantic. So I feel this part is going to be delicate for them all. From Hae Su's part, the fear has to give way for understanding and gratitude with her acknowledging that Wang So has a kind side. All this will have to morph into deep love. I am unsure how that will be accomplished. But I hope they'll do it well and it'll be a swift but believable transition that will feel natural. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penelop3 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 26 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said: I understand why Hae Soo rejects Wang So's proposal. She has many reasons for her refusal: - Wang Wook had already proposed to her and in the end, she was betrayed - Lady Oh's death: The court lady had warned her that she was blind and she shouldn't trust the marriage proposal from Wang Wook. Lady Oh's death has such an impact on Hae Soo. She lost her mother and she can't forget that if she had followed lady Oh's advice (leaving the palace), the latter wouldn't have died because of her. So as a sign of respect towards lady Oh, she wants to follow her mother's advice: cut all the ties with the princes. - She can't trust anyone any longer. This was the second advice from lady Oh. She is following her advice. Moreover, if she accepted Wang So's proposal, this would make her look like an easy woman. She needs time to forget Wang Wook. She can't jump to the next ship so quickly! Agree with majority's opinion. HS refusing WS's proposal is the most logical decision she has to make as @bebebisous33 has mentioned above. She just got her heart broken so she would not be so easily commit to another. I've been watching many interviews of the cast recently and try to glimpse the plot of upcoming episode. I notice that the love triangle is mentioned in later part of the drama. It's true that until ep 11, WS does not even aware of WW and HS. He thought it was BA and he doesnt ask who is HS's love interest. When he finally knows he will get super jealous and possessive *tingling - which leads him wanting the throne. Note: it makes me curious, exactly when will WS realize HS's feeling towards WW? She doesnt say it, he doesnt say it. Then how does he know? Some of you mention that it's only 9 episodes left for us to see WS and HS's relationship grows. But timeline-wise, it'd be years for them to grow their intense love towards each others. If the half part of the shows move in weeks or months, then the second part moves in months or years even. I just hope that during WM's reign, HS's feeling towards WS grow deeper.. fast! HS's personality will definitely not be as sassy, active, and fearless as the earlier episodes. She has grown from a girl to mature woman. Living in the palace certainly make people grow old fast. Not to mention, experiencing all sorts of ups and downs. If she does return to the future, she's a 25 years old woman with a 40ish yo wisdom. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bebebisous33 Posted October 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2016 48 minutes ago, briseis said: Honestly, I’m completely baffled by the many panicked and dejected comments which say that HS doesn’t love WS, that she only feel gratefulness for him, etc…. Especially, after 11 FULL EPISODES OF DEVELOPMENT, AFTER A WHOLE YEAR THEY’VE KNOWN EACH OTHER (we have hundreds of gifsets that document and prove all their numerous interactions, each meaningful and beautiful on its own), AFTER WANG SO SAVED HER SO MANY TIMES, but also after the many times she helped him - but no one is mistaking Wang So’s feelings for gratefulness. That’s why I wrote this POST. I think that the fact that he almost died for her AND THAT SHE ALMOST LOST HIM WILL HELP HER REALIZE WHAT SHE FEELS FOR HIM. Is this the face of a woman who is grateful? I THINK NOT! Hide contents @Diana Blanche First, thanks for completing my analysis about Hae Soo and Wang Wook. First impressions has such an impact on Hae Soo that she became blind due to it and her idealistic way of thinking as well. But this is also the same for Wang So. When the latter saw Hae Soo for the first time, he realised that her expression was different from the others. She didn't run away from him and avoid his gaze. She looked straight into his eyes. Therefore she caught his attention and she left a positive impression. Then I have to agree with briseis. Hae Soo already loves Wang So, but first, she hasn't really realised her feelings for him, since she has never loved a man like him before. She has alway chosen her boyfriends based on their nice and gentle appearances because she wanted to be safe. Each time, she was wrong as she was betrayed. She got hurt, but she overcame the betrayals quite quickly because deep down, she never really gave her entire heart to these men. Hence she was able to confront her ex-boyfriend and friend, although she didn't manage to say all what she wanted to tell them. Besides, I distinguish a difference between refusing the proposal and loving someone. Just because she rejects his proposal, doesn't mean that she doesn't love him. This is different. Now, she wants to cut ties with the royal family. She is only following lady Oh's advice. Even if she realises that she loves him, this doesn't mean that she has to accept his proposal. Her love for him is much more physical compared to Wang Wook... she always put a distance between him and her. Moreover, they are so alike in many ways, their mentality: - love and affections are important to them. Love is what matters to them. All their actions are connected to that topic. - Both have a strong sense of justice. Wang So hates seeing a weak person being abused by a strong one (Baek Ah, Hae Soo) but Hae Soo did the same for Chae Ryun. - For them, home and family are important. For Wang So, Hae So has become his home and family therefore he stays in the palace with her. He can't run away, since she can't. Finally, for me, the fun of this drama is not to watch it for the happy ending of our OTP but their journey together, how they fall in love into each other, recognise their feelings, accept these feelings and act on it. When they are together, I want them to see how they deal with difficult situations. So to me, enjoy the couple as "carpe diem" and not how it will end as in real life, couple will be separated by death. The other reason I really love this OTP is that their love feels real because of the shown sensuality and physical attraction. I have never seen such a protagonist caressing so often his "lover". With Wang Wook, it feels like a platonic love that's why it won't be able to survive as soon as struggles appear. 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diana Blanche Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 @LyraYoo Someone noticed that 15 hours ago, itzibitzispider said: Hmmm .... did anyone notice? Maybe and I am just slow *won'tquoteapicture* In the scene, where WS steps up to HS to shield her from the rain ... he steps on her dress ... even if she tried ever so hard to crawl to LadyOh ... she would not come far, as her dress is caught underneath WSs boot (sly move WS) 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zi4r Posted October 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2016 Hey everyone. I am still stuck in a funeral... and shouldn't be writing on Soompi. But the quietly reading is killing me, because everyone seems to be suddenly freaking out. So... Not sure how accurate this is... but apparently, WS proposes, HS rejects, then HS tries to salvage her relationship with WW? Just needed to give my 2 cents. By my interpretation, the relationship as it is now: WS madly in love with/possessive of HS (and probably feeling guilty about HS's predicament previous episode... because after all, he was partly responsible for it, aka not speaking up about his mother's involvement earlier). HS feeling gratitude towards WS and but still attached to WW... because I don't know what worldview you all have, but for me, you don't just fall out of love in an instant because of one action/inaction by your love! So... according to my logic, WS proposing is very much in-character. I don't like that it's happening (I would rather he gives some time for HS to find her footing again), but his nature has always been brute-force and straight-to-action (Look at how he tried to rescue HS). He knows next to nothing about emotions and he lacks social skills. He loves HS, but doesn't know how to give her emotional support/space she needs. HS rejecting is not just in-character, but something I hope would happen. As I have said in my earlier post, the feelings she have towards WS is now only gratitude. The feeling she has about her life is now just resignation. There's no love, there's no happiness, not just yet. This is no way to start a proper relationship, unless both sides have some time to heal. So, I hope that she doesn't just suddenly decide to discard WW and fall for WS; that would totally cheapen this love story. (And my husband will make me take over dog-feeding duty for next 3 months for making him watch "this sh**" --- his words, not mine.) HS trying to salvage her relationship with WW... Well, that one, I am on the fence. I hope they don't make her so pathetic. But if she is just trying to work out their issues, I don't see anything wrong with that. That would make her a responsible person who makes sure to end one relationship properly before starting a new one. One more thing: I hope HS gets to find out about both WS's and WW's complicity in the poisoning/her torture/Oh's execution. I know that it would mean more heartbreak for her... but I don't like it if there are unresolved issues before the romance begins. She should be able to make an informed decision on whom she wants to be with. That said, I am going back to the funeral and looking grief-stricken. Talk to you all later. 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SizzlerZ Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 1 hour ago, briseis said: Let's put away all the fancraze about how the drama will end too soon and that there is not enough time to develop the story and look at it objectively. THE NOVEL HAS ONLY SOME 250 PAGES (this is not some epic saga like Tolstoy's, it started as an internet novel)! AND THEY HAVE 20 HOURS TO ADAPT IT. Peter Jackson had only some 8-9 hours to adapt the 1000+ LOTR trilogy. The cdrama had 35 45-minute episodes = 1575 minutes = 26x60-minute episodes. RX accepted the 4th Princes feelings in episodes 22-23 which is approx. around the 1035-minute mark=17th EPISODE. SO THE KOREAN VERSION IS PERFECTLY ON TIME AND KEEPING TRUE TO THE GRADUAL DEVELOPMENT. (By the way, I can't believe I just used math to prove my point. I mean this show is making us go completely nuts, I think the comment that perfectly sums this up is the one I received when I wrote about the solar eclipses occuring in the years 941 and 975 and added the NASA link - "when your otp ending looks so bleak you science your way to a happy ending") I'm really sorry for cutting your post short and I have to admit that I am really impressed with the calculations you have done. Although I do have to say, I think that you can't compare the two dramas directly in terms of the minutes that they have since they are different proportionally in terms of length. To make better sense of this: As you said: 35 x 45-minute eps in C-drama = 1575 minutes RX accepts 4th prince's feelings ep 22-23 = 1035 minute mark Percentage drama progressed when RX accepts 4th prince's feelings: 1035/1575 x 100 = 65.7% 20 x 60-minute eps in K-drama = 1200 minutes Number of minutes passed at 65.7%: 0.675 x 1200 = 810 mins Number of episodes at 810 mins: 810/60 = 13.5 Therefore if the C-drama and K-drama were to run proportionally (which they don't), HS would accept WS feelings at ep 13-14 Please don't get me wrong @briseis , I have no means to offend you in fact I am impressed by your calculations and they inspired me to carry that on. I hope you don't misunderstand. 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavendre Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 @fathiayunia Yes, I can accept it if it was like a did you even miss me when I was kneeling in the rain and you walked away (like you pointed out). But if it is going to be a I still miss you and want to be with you thing, I think I will just jump off the OTP ship. Lol 'cause that is beyond stupid of HaeSoo. To still want to be with a man like that. Wook and her probably deserve each other then. And I will just root for our beloved dog wolf Wang So alone. Here is to tomorrow's episode. Hope that we won't be disappointed by Ms Hae Soo. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post frostfire Posted October 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2016 28 minutes ago, SizzlerZ said: If Hae Soo rejects Wang So then what was her reason!?!?!? Concubine Oh?? If it is then please let Wang So know, I'm sure he'll understand... I don't think it's just because of Court Lady Oh, though the last words of someone who sacrificed her life to save hers definitely will have an impact on things going forward. Her rejection of Wang So is probably attributable to a multitude of reasons. Firstly, from the scenes between Hae-soo and So from episode 10 right up to the prison scene indicate that she is aware of So's feelings for her, and the fact that she admits to herself that his willingness to drink poison for her will make it harder for her to ignore said feelings is indicative that those feelings aren't entirely one-sided, but she's not ready to admit it to herself, as well as that the depth of whatever feelings she has for him aren't as deep as his for her. Secondly, I'm sure that during the time skip that we know is going to happen from the previews, Hae-soo must have discovered the reason why Wook chose to end their relationship and will start questioning if romantic entanglements with the two princes are worth it, especially when all she ever wanted was to live. From someone who started off as a noble lady and was subsequently demoted to a court lady and now further demoted to a laundry maid, the death of court lady Oh, as well as Wook choosing to prioritise the safety of his family over his happiness with her, at the point of So's marriage proposal, she is a person who no longer has her head in the clouds. She knows more than ever how precarious life is in the palace and how unimportant she is in the grand scheme of plotting for the throne. She knows how "easily" she can be cast aside. She will have to decide if So is worth it, and as of episode 12, she isn't at that point where she's willing to go all in. Thirdly, despite everything that happened, she still has residual feelings for Wook. Yes, he abandoned her. He chose to put his family first. But feelings (especially love) don't just evaporate. Even with the time skip and having had time to process everything that's happened and reevaluate where she stands, there is still something there. At some point, the feelings will be entirely gone and all that's left are memories, but from the preview, we're not at that point yet. Apart from this, she literally just got out of a relationship. I doubt she is ready to just dive into another one head first. This is not entirely related to what you posted, but personally I am glad the show is still continuing to build things up between Hae-soo and So and we're not witnessing the end of one relationship and immediately diving into the next. As much as I like to see the endgame, I like the slow burn as well. I want to see how things between them progress to the point where Soo is as much in love with So the way he is with her. I want to see her admit to herself her feelings for him and come to the realization that somehow she has fallen utterly and irrevocably in love with him. 28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabelialong Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Spoiler it's nice to see wang so face in big flat tv... realise he got very beautiful lip esp in poison scene 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SizzlerZ Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 1 minute ago, lavendre said: @fathiayunia Yes, I can accept it if it was like a did you even miss me when I was kneeling in the rain and you walked away (like you pointed out). But if it is going to be a I still miss you and want to be with you thing, I think I will just jump off the OTP ship. Lol 'cause that is beyond stupid of HaeSoo. To still want to be with a man like that. Wook and her probably deserve each other then. And I will just root for our beloved dog wolf Wang So alone. Here is to tomorrow's episode. Hope that we won't be disappointed by Ms Hae Soo. I can understand how you feel, I'm going to be angry at HS too if that's the case. If things go as you say then I think it must be something like HS misunderstanding Wook in some way. She might not clearly see his betrayal or something like that. Although that is quite a hard things to do since it was a clear - NOT HELPING YOU WITH THAT - but I guess I'm just trying to justify Hae Soo actions if things go as you say... But still doesn't change the fact that I'd be angry at her. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glacial Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 if you watch the long preview (6 minute trailer), some scenes are shown but also some voice overs of things that are said in the drama. And in one of the voice overs she says "how amazing would it be if we met in a different world, at a different time"-- I think this line is something she says to wang so when they are finally mutually in love. Don't lose hope guys! Its taking forever for the OTP ship but remember, Wook is just now getting out of the picture. It won't be believable if she's all over wang so right now, it'll take time but it'll happen!! I guess just not in ep 12-13. Sigh... 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chi13lou Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 2 hours ago, privio said: If this really true, I wanna shake HS so hard and screaming "WHY DID YOU DO IT???!!! DONT'T YOU KNOW HE ALREADY CHOOSE HIS AMBITION OVER YOU??!! HE ALREADY LEAVE YOU ALONE IN THE RAIN FOR GOD's SAKE!!! WHY???!!!!!" But, HS certainly have "recently-broke-up syndrome" if she ask Wook if he misses her, you know the kind that call your ex and ask him "did you miss me? I miss you". It usually last for some months before she realize how pathetic she is. (and realize there's another fishes in the ocean). it understandable, but stil WHY Hae Soo???? WHY???? THERE'S Wang Soo THAT LOVE YOU MORE THAN HIS LIFE!!!! WHY?????!!! *end of my self delution tirade* Maybe she needs WW to turn his back on her one more time. If this happens, I hope she eventually slips while doing the laundry and hits her head to wake her up from her delusion. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bebebisous33 Posted October 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2016 @zi4r I agree and disagree with your last statement. In my opinion, Hae Soo already loves Wang So, yet she has not realised it hence she thinks, she feels gratitude towards him. Notice that she was the one who told him about the difference between love and friendship, while Wang So answered to her that he was more worried about her because she was making a difference where there is none. Wang So was partially right. There is a difference between love and friendship, yet Hae Soo is wrong as well because she is unable to recognise what love is. She is indeed making a mistake as she doesn't know the difference between love and "infuation". 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamamya88 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Haha everybody is freaking out that its already 11episodes with one sided Love from WS yet HS still cannot sort her feelings yet!!! OK! I understand HS is in deep pain right now and she needs some time to heal...for that I approved her with chances to recover in one or maximum two more episodes only!!!! Pleaseeee HS aaaaahh after episode 13, please switch the ship and board the ship with WS and please let WW ship sink deep down by himself..... We are craving for more WS HS moments.....♡♡♡ 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavendre Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 12 minutes ago, chi13lou said: Maybe she needs WW to turn his back on her one more time. If this happens, I hope she eventually slips while doing the laundry and hits her head to wake her up from her delusion. Omg you are so funny. What you said is so true. She needs to hit her head to jolt her into reality. Lol. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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