Yippeun_eonnie Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 5 hours ago, brielover said: We need to remember what Su's imperative is for being in Goryeo in the first place. "Save the boy." That little boy's name was Eun Wol in modern Korea (his relatives call out to him by name). Su dives in to save him, the eclipse begins, time shifts, and she emerges from the water to find another Eun this time in Goryeo. A Eun that acts much younger than his age - a defining feature - to highlight his connection to that little boy in Korea. People blame Baekhyun for overacting, and he does, but he has also been directed to act in just this way. This helps explain to me why Eun gets so much more screentime relative to the other princes. Eun Wol - the little boy in Korea - is likely a reincarnation of Eun, 10th prince of Goryeo. And Su's imperative remains. "Save the boy". Doesn't this give much more impact - and horror - to the vision she just saw? She's been catapaulted to Goryeo perhaps for a variety of reasons (see my river-daughter post p 516 if you're interested in some mythical/historical possibilities), but her main and most immediate imperative is to save Eun. Omo...you are such a brilliant....I never thought of it...let's hope it's true.that she will save Eun and make So into a good King...well she is already in the path let's hope it's not as dangerous as we think it will be. The first bump is next week poison theme thing....I hope that will make her back to her self while she is with So and or while she is treating So.... I feel the same sadness with So when HS told him don't come close near me you are scary...she is really the only person I and So never want to heard it. It's no matter for me and So that everyone think of So scary, bad luck, or what so ever....but just not her. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bingewatcherinsomniac Posted September 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2016 This thread is so lively! With almost 30+ pages to skim through, it almost impossible to do it now... Nevertheless, I am so grateful to you all for many interesting insight and in-depth discussion this forum provide, I'll promise to read it all later~ Based on the few posts I have read, I can feel a sense of betrayal and resentment radiating from some of you towards Haesoo for her behaviour in episode 9 that seems rather inconsistent and drastically different with the personality she had previously display and we grow fond off. Many thought that her blatant rejection and emotional outburst so out of her character, an overreaction, too judgmental, too harsh, uncalled for especially since he has not done anything wrong just yet... and to certain extent I agree. Which bring us to the question, Is she really changed that drastically or is just her character being poorly depicted? If so, what brings her sudden change? My answer is yes, there was a visible shift in her personality as the story goes. It shows how all of this experience molds her as a person, it display her growth, a natural development to prepare herself for the difficulties ahead of her. But to judge her entire character only on her momentous eruption of emotions, is a bit unfair. It happened at the heat of the moment when her tension reaches its peak, but it was a temporary reaction just like any emotional outburst. Eventually, she will overcome that, rationalise her thought and back to her kind and compassionate core. If I try to put a fitting purpose of this episode specifically for our heroine, it was all about her growing pains, a moment of revelation, a time to bid farewell to her innocent self. Yes in the past she had faced many unfamiliar and difficult situation which she overcomes just fine with her positive spirit and relentless attempt to adapt. However we all know that is not enough for her to survive. Knowing the sea of difficult challenges she will face in the future, it's about time to tone down a bit her modern nonchalant way of thinking and start adopting some of goryeo sensibilities. Of course there are a lot of positive aspects of her modern pov she definitely should preserve that makes her extra special, but we also knows it can create a lot of complications. Case in point, (i) her rash and hasty behaviour that got her into a lot of trouble, (ii) the fact that her words and promises din not carry the same weight compare to most goryeo people because in modern times we get used to bluff, scoff, and jest. (iii) her act of concern and simple gesture of kindness to the Princes do caused a major confusion especially to the one that harbor a special feeling to her like 4th, 8th, and 10th, and as a result on the surface it might come off as if her level of commitment to the relationship differs than them as well. Based on my observations, at least there are 3 main reasons that help pushed her development: 1. Lady Oh, as her apprentice and her confidante, we can clearly see her influence in haesoo's behaviour as palace maid. Notice her improvement in her speech mannerisms, learning hanja, expanding knowledge on tea and medicinal herbs, etc. Before, she honestly had no idea what kind of situation she got herself into, and naively approach her role as a court lady as simply a job and a place to stay. But now she come into full realisation what kind of life she has to endure as a court lady. Her growth especially evident after her promotion that she seems calm, composed, a little bit distant and reserved just like lady oh's demeanor. 2. Wang Wook, after their last encounter, it became clear to her that she cannot holding on to his sweet empty promise anymore. He did it to ease her worries but she fully aware that the future they're dreaming together might not come to realisation, and there's huge chance their fate will never crossed path anymore. She suddenly learns that having a dream of future is a luxury for a court lady. It's a bittersweet moment as both knows their end, even gave each other parting gifts, but chose to stay silent hide their worries and just cherish and appreciate their moment together. As a result, she gain new realistic approach on relationships and no longer being naively optimistic about anything. 3. And then there's wang so, even long before she aware of the premonition, he always been a person she unconsciously drawn her attention to, a source of her unsettling feelings, her deep concern, her pensive look, her worries. His presence already filled her mind. But all these conflicting feeling start magnified the moment she realise what he could become, she didn't know what to do and how to process that kind of revelation. To her it just a simple act of kindness, but it means the world to him and literally changes his life. It teach him despite his flaw he able to receive love, and capable to share as much, if not more, love he received. It set his life back to its rightful path, it gave him confidence and life purpose. At one side she knows more than anyone that beyond his cold personal, he's fragile, sensitive and kind. But she also aware of his dark side, his cruel tendency to survive, and what he capable of when he is at his lowest. At her stage of denial, she start blaming herself, feeling burden of the weight of her action, afraid that she's the trigger of all of these misfortune. She's under immense stress and mentally dejected, that understandable in the heat of the moment she blatantly rejects him and blurt out her utmost fear. It was honest, raw, unfiltered reaction but it was temporary. Eventually she will grow past that and back to her kind and compassionate self, though with more realistic and responsible approach in her actions (I'll promise to share my perception with better details on my next post) As conclusion, it's true for her character that sometimes being ignorant is a bless, it liberates you, gave you clear view and a freedom to act as your heart please. We all know from our own experience that carry a burden of knowledge and keeping a secret are hard to ensure. However as the story progress and heading to intense heart wrenching plot, no better time than now for her character to evolve. Anyway I apologise for this long-richard simmons essay I'm just getting to excited finally manage to squeeze a time to release my inner kdrama addiction. I'm typing frantically on my phone right now, thank you all who kind enough to read my unimportant rambling thoughts, bless you all! I'll be back later after I've done my assignment (how I wish myself a fun unemployed chaebol with no real life restrictions. LOL.) to share my take on haesoo inner turmoil and the emotional last scene of episode 9..see you guys soon 53 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlamGlitzy Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 9 hours ago, KdramaSwimmer said: i cant see anything in spoilers..whats this about ? HaeSoo uses the hairpin that WS gave her. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlamGlitzy Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 9 hours ago, qwenli said: if u backread, the sub video is somewhere on this thread between page 555 to 590, i just dun know where now. @GlamGlitzy i think that vid is from the intro documentary about the drama, where they tried to explain the background. Oic.. I havent watched the documentary vid.. That's why i havent seen that scene.. Thx 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misstwilightfan1416 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Episode 8 Video Clips from DramaFever Spoiler Credit: DramaFever 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
special_bee Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 5 hours ago, brielover said: We need to remember what Su's imperative is for being in Goryeo in the first place. "Save the boy." That little boy's name was Eun Wol in modern Korea (his relatives call out to him by name). Su dives in to save him, the eclipse begins, time shifts, and she emerges from the water to find another Eun this time in Goryeo. A Eun that acts much younger than his age - a defining feature - to highlight his connection to that little boy in Korea. People blame Baekhyun for overacting, and he does, but he has also been directed to act in just this way. This helps explain to me why Eun gets so much more screentime relative to the other princes. Eun Wol - the little boy in Korea - is likely a reincarnation of Eun, 10th prince of Goryeo. And Su's imperative remains. "Save the boy". Doesn't this give much more impact - and horror - to the vision she just saw? She's been catapaulted to Goryeo perhaps for a variety of reasons (see my river-daughter post p 516 if you're interested in some mythical/historical possibilities), but her main and most immediate imperative is to save Eun. uwah you are awesome, really 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valentvcd Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 3 hours ago, gobsmack said: Just caught up with the episodes. Is this going to be "Cheese in the trap: part 2 Goryeo version". The second lead is looking much more favorable. Didn't like HS and IU's acting in Episode 9. She might be ok in light scenes but her acting is sub par in episode 9 where she has to show varied emotions. LJK has managed to showcase all the emotions, be it of getting accepted by family, betrayal, sadness, anguish etc in mere one episode. Episode 9 was top notch for to showcase LJK's acting prowess. I don;t believe it would happen... it will not going to be 2nd CITT. This is adaptation and more/less still have to stick with the original. Just keep positive thinking. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post briseis Posted September 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2016 Awwww, even when he is angry at Hae Soo and confused he is still looking at the night sky that reminds him of her and the Moon, the celestial body which brought her to him! I mean HE’S BEEN LIVING IN A FREAKING OBSERVATORY BECAUSE IT’S THE PLACE FROM WHERE HE CAN SEE BEST THE GORYEO STARS SHE LIKES SO MUCH! “Why did you close your eyes instead of taking a good look at me?” “I thought you wouldn’t like it. Have I offended you?” I knew it! I knew it, Baek Ah, that you were truly this awesome! You are the best brother and BBF So could ever wish for! How can you not like someone who manages to make Wang So smile?! This is such a great moment of bonding and understanding between the brothers and I think that another reason why these two get along so well is because they are both little unconventional, very sensitive and perceptive. It’s obvious that BA is already sensing something is going on between So and Hae Soo after he sees So’s reaction when he stands up for HS. It’s both ironic and bittersweet, that something which So’s own full brother orchestrated to humiliate him actually turned into something good, which brought him closer to BA and strenghtened his bond with his half-brother. I love that we get to see the gradual development of their relationship because BA will become So’ best friend, closest ally and biggest supporter. “Even though they’re my feelings, I can’t figure out where they’re headed. No matter how much I try to change direction, it’s not working.” - Hae Soo “It really is true that a person's feelings are the most complicated. I feel upset with one person for seeing and upset with another for not seeing. I can’t figure out my feelings either.” - Wang So I expect two things will happen very soon - SO WILL START TO KISS THE GROUND HAE SOO WALKS ON AND GIVE HER THE MOON (that very one he is staring at because we already know that he would do anything for her). HE REALLY DOES REMEMBER HER EVERY WORD! This is already the 3rd or 4th time he is either quoting her or referring to something she said to him - it’s as if he accepted her words as the ultimate truths of life he abided by - and you can see that it has turned into a habit by now; that Hae Soo has slowly but surely become an integral and indispensable part of his life. 57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irilight Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Arirang News just published on their FB page, a piece from the press conf. with Baekhyun speaking (with English subs.) It will be great to show our support for the drama with many likes or loves for their post (since it is a Korean Broadcasting company)https://www.facebook.com/arirangtv/videos/vb.110158949037523/1175157415870999/?type=2&theater 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mona Ys Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 5 hours ago, pujajain said: The original novel is a tragedy and is grounded in realistic grey historical characters leading to the reign of YinZhen. The novel also covers couple of decades in storyline so it is easy to see the growth in characters both positive and negative. The original story compare a short innocent love (with 8th prince) to that of a slow burn of mature love with multiple colors including hate and disgust that becomes grand passion (with 4th prince). In all ...I see that the story will have its moments both happy and sad Sorry to cut your post... I've seen c-version many years ago and from what I remember it was tragic and made me sad for at least a week after watching it, I actually cried buckets, so as much as I love (and hope for) happy endings, I will not expect happy ending for this k-version. As sad as it was, c-version was a beautiful love story, and the game of thrones between the princes were intriguing within quite a long period (I think between 15-20 years). I dont know, I read somewhere, in this K-version, the story will be only until Gwangjong age 30 (I believe he is now around 20 y.o), so I dont know how PDnim will tell the next 10 years period in 10 episodes....hope the PD will be able to tell the story for the next episodes smoothly. I think we alll agree in K-version, it will get uglier and darker from now onwards, with intense fights for the thrones and dramatic love story between WS & HS. I'm looking forward to a nicely done ending that will make us viewers some closure... (please please not an open ending that gives viewers doubts and questions like SWWTN...) 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sooji28 Posted September 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2016 Okay, i've been searching for two different version of the 9th episode ending. THE KISS SCENE. If i read back in this thread, there were mention about the International version is much longer. They gave us 2 (if they say that it was) kiss. First was forceful. The second kiss when Hae Soo start to calm down (with a shock kissed by WS). Whilst the SBS version is shorter and only one kiss. And to be honest, i prefer the international version on this one. Finally found 2 versions on youtube. 1. The International Version Spoiler 2. The SBS version Spoiler What do you think? Well, my opinion is WS will apologize to HS after those kiss. And HS will realize how fragile WS is. (or this was my wishful thinking --> And perhaps HS will remember the touch of his soft lips into hers, and started to fall for WS...) 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feignedreality Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Woah... I was offline for maybe a day or less and there are 50+ more pages already. We are on fire!!! ...this is a bit off topic but because the thirst for more LJG is real [and Moonday seem like an eternity away], I decided to watch My Girl. The visual shock tho' in seeing him in normal "modern" clothing [+ his dangly cross earring]. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelyn C Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 1 minute ago, sooji28 said: Okay, i've been searching for two different version of the 9th episode ending. THE KISS SCENE. If i read back in this thread, there were mention about the International version is much longer. They gave us 2 (if they say that it was) kiss. First was forceful. The second kiss when Hae Soo start to calm down (with a shock kissed by WS). Whilst the SBS version is shorter and only one kiss. And to be honest, i prefer the international version on this one. Finally found 2 versions on youtube. 1. The International Version Reveal hidden contents 2. The SBS version Reveal hidden contents What do you think? Well, my opinion is WS will apologize to HS after those kiss. And HS will realize how fragile WS is. (or this was my wishful thinking --> And perhaps HS will remember the touch of his soft lips into hers, and started to fall for WS...) I think you're right, he might apologize, and going from the preview where he says something like 'you're my friend - Love and friendship are the same', he might apologize for coming on too strong and might be content to just have her around and not be afraid of him - I hope that with his sacrifice (taking the poison in place of Crown Prince) she can see that he is not the monster she thinks he is... 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bliss1004 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 OMG...LJG is sooo adorable and cute in the latest BTS!! kiaaaa... 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soojae93 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 26 minutes ago, Mona Ys said: Sorry to cut your post... I've seen c-version many years ago and from what I remember it was tragic and made me sad for at least a week after watching it, I actually cried buckets, so as much as I love (and hope for) happy endings, I will not expect happy ending for this k-version. As sad as it was, c-version was a beautiful love story, and the game of thrones between the princes were intriguing within quite a long period (I think between 15-20 years). I dont know, I read somewhere, in this K-version, the story will be only until Gwangjong age 30 (I believe he is now around 20 y.o), so I dont know how PDnim will tell the next 10 years period in 10 episodes....hope the PD will be able to tell the story for the next episodes smoothly. I think we alll agree in K-version, it will get uglier and darker from now onwards, with intense fights for the thrones and dramatic love story between WS & HS. I'm looking forward to a nicely done ending that will make us viewers some closure... (please please not an open ending that gives viewers doubts and questions like SWWTN...) I didn't watch the c-version yet, but from what I read, I won't expect happy ending from this k-version too. But maybe sad ending will be the best version of ending in this kind of drama. At first I thought this will be romantic-comedy-historical drama. But I realize it too late that this drama is not comedy But I already hooked by WS, HS, and WW I couldn't stop watching even if I must cry in every episode start from now. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinaabby Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Ahahahahaha LJK is so funny That scene when he was doing the ritual and hits the camera lol he went from a serious face to laughing immediately. also when he gets hit my a rock hahaha glad he's safe 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syeramy Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 6 hours ago, brielover said: We need to remember what Su's imperative is for being in Goryeo in the first place. "Save the boy." That little boy's name was Eun Wol in modern Korea (his relatives call out to him by name). Su dives in to save him, the eclipse begins, time shifts, and she emerges from the water to find another Eun this time in Goryeo. A Eun that acts much younger than his age - a defining feature - to highlight his connection to that little boy in Korea. People blame Baekhyun for overacting, and he does, but he has also been directed to act in just this way. This helps explain to me why Eun gets so much more screentime relative to the other princes. Eun Wol - the little boy in Korea - is likely a reincarnation of Eun, 10th prince of Goryeo. And Su's imperative remains. "Save the boy". Doesn't this give much more impact - and horror - to the vision she just saw? She's been catapaulted to Goryeo perhaps for a variety of reasons (see my river-daughter post p 516 if you're interested in some mythical/historical possibilities), but her main and most immediate imperative is to save Eun. My goodness! You are genius! 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitakawaii Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 47 minutes ago, Mona Ys said: Sorry to cut your post... I think we alll agree in K-version, it will get uglier and darker from now onwards, with intense fights for the thrones and dramatic love story between WS & HS. I'm looking forward to a nicely done ending that will make us viewers some closure... (please please not an open ending that gives viewers doubts and questions like SWWTN...) I am now looking forward to seeing how both WS and WW will change in terms of their Goal. I don't understand why K-netz are not interested in this drama, its just as good as the rival drama. this one actually has a more interesting storyline. LJK is soo good at expressing his feeling with his eyes and lips, as for KHN, I can already sense more of his suppressed "Bad" side in the 2 recent episode. I am very curious to see what the turn around to WW-HS relationship (even when it sucks that my ship will finally sink) Let's hope the ratings will go up now that the story is getting darker and more interesting. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Akiddo Posted September 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2016 I cried even when I re-watched the C-version. That's the reason why my expectation for the K-version was so high. The drama is a different adaptation of the novel and I have since accepted that. LJG is phenomenal. KHN and 3rd Prince actor are good. IU is serviceable. Chemistry is pretty good especially when So and Soo are relaxed and friendly. Her no-holds bar replies totally throw him off, even though he is quite witty himself. Saw the ep 10 preview and I am glad So has calmed down and is not giving up on Soo. Re-watched some of the earlier episodes last night and appreciated them more now (not the rap music though) as the episodes built the arc of the story and established the So-Soo friendship. During one of the interviews, IU explained that the relationship with wookie started off as a natural attraction to a good person (of course being handsome helped) and not built on shared experiences. The relationship with So is built on something entirely different - started off rocky with death threats followed by an understanding between humans after seeing each other at their worst. Soo is indeed So's first real friend. She has no agenda except to help him get through his difficult moments - Soo didn't seek him out - she was there at the right time. Of course these feelings evolved organically and became a deep affection. He has found a soul mate - his person (an overused term from Grey's Anatomy ). As the saying goes - 贫贱之交不可忘,糟糠之妻不下堂 - Do not forget the friends whom you have made in tough circumstances, do not desert the wife whom you have married in poor circumstances. That's the kind of man BBJX 4th Prince was - So shouldn't be too far from that description too. The So-Soo relationship is a complex mesh of friendship, deep trust, affection and of course love. A love that goes beyond physical and sexual attraction - a love that is unconditional and transcends time. Dying for Soo is not even an act that he would think twice. Soo (if the story arc follows the novel) will break down her defences and follow him unfailingly once she recognised the kind of man he is. This once-in-a-life time type of love will stay with So and Soo till their last breath - whether together or apart. Well, at least that's what I hope to see in this drama! Spoiler Ruoxi resisted the idea of marrying 4th Prince even when she became pregnant - partly due to her modern day thinking and the fear that she would be "trapped" in the palace. He was constantly perplexed by her odd views and couldn't figure out how to keep her from slipping away. But whether they were married or married to someone else, she was his - he was hers. 35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinginthenorths Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 2 hours ago, vieedha said: Hessa on MDL listed the most questions were asked by SHR viewers What are the 2 versions? The original international version and the SBS re-edited version. How to know which version I'm are watching? It is simple, just look at the top right corner and if there is an SBS's logo, you are watching the re-edited version. Plus, usually, the original version starts with a song, while the re-edited version starts at the lake shot with the 15+ age restriction.If you are watching in DramaFever or Kissasian, it is the SBS re-edited version. If you are watching on hdfree or dramalove, it is the original version. Many of you keep thinking that Kissasian has the original version and keep confusing the scenes. The SBS version has some untranslated lines, why is that? If you notice some missing subs, that means you are watching the SBS re-edited version but with the originally sold overseas episodes' subs.If you wish to watch the SBS version, I recommend waiting until Dramafever release the subs since there are two types of subs: DramaFever Subs (Which are released 1 day after the episode airs): Compatible with the SBS re-edited version and has subs for the extra scenes. Hdfree Subs (Which are found a few hours after the episode release): This version is translated from the Chinese subs and matches the originally international episodes. Also, the subs are really good, even though it is translated from Chinese. for other questions such as incest, multiple wives/queens, about 13th price have the same name as the 8th price, etc u can read here http://mydramalist.com/discussions/moon-lovers/27040-faq-moon-lovers-scarlet-heart-ryeo I'm sorry for cutting your post, but I just wanted to leave the part I wanted to address. Dramafever actually HAS the original version and NOT the re-edited SBS version. I watch the show through Dramafever and went back to check the episodes, and the scenes included in the SBS version are not on there. It makes more sense for Dramafever to have the original version since they are an online international broadcasting company for the drama and had probably pre-subbed the shows when the rights was sold to them. I live in the US though, so it's possible that other fans watching through Dramafever from other countries do see the SBS version, so please do correct me if I'm wrong! 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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