[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[MadraRua]

I think our introduction to the General's daughter, Seon Deok, is really sweet. She's obviously a tom boy and the way she scared both the princes here was funny. I would think 13th Prince especially doesn't lose his composure all that often. I wonder did she kill the bear herself ... sorta like a cat leaving a dead mouse at the door of its owner. In this case, 10th seems to have stolen her heart and she reciprocates by bringing him the bear skin. I'm looking forward to their backstory, it should be good. I read in her character description she fell in love with 10th Prince from an early age... it would be cute to see a child actor for them both. 

 

The comic relief is a nice touch from the heaviness of the next scene with 10th's unreasonable request to Wang So. Not that I've quite forgiven him yet for that.... but he was funny asking her who she is ''Are you the Grim Reaper?'' lol. Seems she suffers from a dose of nerves around him and stutters when she talks... too cute. I can't wait to see her interactions with Hae Soo later. I'm picturing Hae Soo giving her a make over to make her look more like a girl to 10th. That would be so cute. Maybe then he might notice her. 

 

 

On another note I'm still spazzing over those new pics, be still my beating heart. Again big thank you to those who posted them.... is it Monday yet??? 

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And my favourite...

 

[solelylurking]

5 minutes ago, ruzikie said:

i hope there's no fan war in this thread guys. Please stay in peace arraso. I love both couple :*

 

Aaahh fan war. Remind me of the good ol' Replys days hahaha.. 

Those who say LJK and IU don't have chemistry must be out of their mind. Just imagine their kiss scne(s). Ooohhh 

But ... 

You are right. This is Saeguk but I wouldn't mind a great hot kiss or two or dozens. I love bed scene too if it's ok. Is steamy bed scene off limit in Saeguk? I think I've seen bed scene in Impress Qi, if my memory is not playing tricks on me. But that bed scene was just so so.

Too bad KHN - IU don't have any, or so KHN says. I love to see it too for 'comparison' purpose hahaha.. 

[bebebisous33]

@solelylurking I agree with you that since Wang So has always wanted to be loved that he will pursue Hae Soo no matter what, even if he knows that Wang Wook is in a (platonic) relationship with Hae Soo. Wang So's biggest wish was to be recognised and loved with his scar and his personality. He knows that Hae Soo already considers him as a friend and enjoys his company so that he sees that he has some chances. 

Imagine, he tried to get loved by his own mother after so many years. He was still longing for his mother, although the latter never showed any kindness which shows to us how determined Wang So can be. This also reveals how important love and recognition are for him. Despite her coldness, he never gave up the hope, she would at some point change her mind. Hence he won't consider it as a big challenge to make Hae Soo change her mind, because she is much nicer and warmer to him than his own mother ever was. The fact that Wang Wook will claim Hae Soo is no big deal for Wang So because they are not married and he will use the exact same words Hae Soo said: "Don't treat her (Hae Soo) like your belonging or possession, she is a person and not a thing!" Furthermore Wang So could also answer that nothing belongs to him (Wang Wook) here, since it is the palace and they are all working for the owner, the king. But this comparison between his love for his mother and Hae Soo (when he realised it) has led me to analyse the episode 4 again, especially the beginning and the ending.  Here, we see Wang So litterally waiting for his mother's love and acceptance. Interesting is that first Wang So appears to be superior and stronger as he is standing but also because he is the one with the blood and sword. He could kill her, but he is standing like a little boy waiting for her recognition. However, Queen Yoo is able to destabilise Wang So with only words and withhin a few minutes. Her words are so powerful that Wang So is first shaking. With only her words, she could topple him. He is on the floor crying and looks so defeated. However, the shock and the pain are only short-lived because he gathered some courage and swears to her that he will make her to look only at him. So his love for her has reached its end.     

Now, if we compare this scene with the ending, we can observe many parallels.   Here, Wang So is not standing, but he is higher than Hae Soo, so that we have the impression that he looks superior compared to Hae Soo. Striking is that he is also the one who announces her that he will leave this house and move back to the palace. This is a little similar to the scene with his mother, where he tells her that he had done something for her. That's why his remark to Hae Soo makes me think that he is actually waiting for a reaction from her (Hae Soo) too. First, she kind of scolds him, until she starts giving him advice and asks him to live well. He is so surprised by her reaction... just like he was surprised by his mother's reaction. Yet this time, he is able to hide his surprise because he is not longing for Hae Soo's love like he was longing for his mother's recognition. On the other hand, I suspect, her words have moved him much more deeply than it appears but he doesn't want to let her know. He hides his smile. He observes her from behind without talking. Later, she is admiring the snow and the sky, which moves him again. Here again, there is a similarity with the scene with his mother. When he talked how he lived with the Kangs, she answered "So what?". She showed her indifference to his suffering which made him realise that he would never get what he always wanted and he became resolute to make her regret her words. In the ending of the episode 4, Hae Soo's words have such an impact on him (Snow, it's beautiful). He is smiling and moved by her words. Here, he has already started replacing his mother with Hae Soo, but he doesn't know how much. Since his love for his mother was so strong, his reactions were more visible, but deep down Wang So is already so moved by Hae Soo's simplicity and contentment. She shows concern and care, but also enjoys life and simple things; she is the total opposite of Yoo who is connected to vanity, greed and ambitions. Yoo can't enjoy life because she is not satisfied with the present situation. She is always looking for a better tomorrow and I am sure, once her son becomes the king, she might be not satisfied as well. Like I had mentioned it once, Queen Yoo wants to shine; Hae Soo shines without being aware of it, just like the moon. In the darkness (harsh realities of life), Hae Soo glows because she is able to enjoy life as such, while Yoo shines like a Queen, but feels miserable about her present situation.

So now back to the possessive love, since Wang So has been determined to get his mother's love for so many years, he will do the same for Hae Soo. Wang So always thought only about his mother, he will do the same with Hae Soo. She will be the center of his love and attention, hence "he will make her to look only at him" and if she doesn't, he will get more possessive and obsessed. 

That's why I really love this drama because the writer and director did a really good job by making a lot of parallelisms in different scenes. There is so much to analyse. @Yongzura @littleloony @evie7

[40somethingahjumma]

41 minutes ago, trizha1 said:

@40somethingahjumma lol at your comment.

I can't explain it but the fact that they are wet is very important to me too. Is it because they are even more attractive when their clothing is wet? Is it because they will get cold and therefore will have to hug to share body heat? 

I don't really care about the answers I just want them to continue hugging!!

I grew up watching Taiwanese films as a kid. The only thing I remember about them is that there were many rainy scenes and they always seemed to happen during the most romantic, melodramatic moments. The couple would share a brolly and then let it drop. They get soaked, followed by a wet embrace.

It's very symbolic... like a cleansing of the old to make way for the new.

It's now a pretty standard Asian drama trope. They all do it. But I'm okay with cliches if they are well done. Especially if they happen to be OTPs that I heartily approve of.  

Have you seen the Keira Knightley Pride and Prejudice... there's a nice rain wet scene in that too so it's not just Asian dramas. Oh yes, there's also Dan Stevens getting very wet and looking very hot chopping wood in the rain in Sense and Sensibility (2008) while looking at his lady love.

[redfrommars]

23 minutes ago, ruzikie said:

i hope there's no fan war in this thread guys. Please stay in peace arraso. I love both couple :*

No, we're all at peace here. Wook is such a kind and gentle man. Anyone will easily fall in love with him more in real life. We're just excited because ScarCouple will finally have their turn 

Wook is a strong second lead syndrome and even I get mushy when I see their sweet scenes but em still for SoSoo because So's first lead syndrome is so demm high xDD

No wars here. Everyone is at peace. We even ship WangYo and Yeonhwa or WangYo and Queen xD

[sarskinz]

Hey guys!! Does anyone know the song they played at the end of ep 7 when 4th prince was thinking of Hae Soo. 

[Niki Azia]

1 hour ago, Diana Blanche said:

@Niki Azia They said no chemistry between the protagonists ?

In all the moments in which Hae Soo and Wang So have met, their chemistry spread sparks around them. All scenes between them were very adictive, making my heart beat faster. Usually, Wang So behave rough with Hae Soo but in this scene I could clearly see tenderness and gentleness, the soft side of him. He lifted her off the horse so easily, slowly and with care, like he took in his arms something very precious and fragile. And their faces were so close that I had the impression that he wants to kiss her. My heart melted. Maybe my imagination went too far but this scene cut my breath and I rewatched it over and over again.

The chemistry between Hae Soo and Wang Wook it's more calm and peaceful, more sweet and maybe not so bright but we all should appreciate the tranquility of those moments. In a short time the storm will arrive in their lives.

i think because episode 1-7, HS & WW got more scene than HS & WS that why they said zero chermistry between WS & HS.

zero chemistry is too much .. mybe just 40%? we can see their chemistry after HS break with WW. 

[dhia205]

20 minutes ago, andy78 said:

i don't agree with the article...i love otp...They have good chemistry

i forget where i read.. but i have read some article and it said that they don't have strong chemistry and the story line are hard to understand that's why rating are so low. which actually i don't get it...

the story line is perfectly fine for my slow brain, and the chemistry just so great... i even can't wait the obsessive wang to come out, i think those people who write and agree to that article are watching different scarlet heart with me. 

 

 

[iridescentmoth]

So looks wistful to me in that picture of him embracing with Hae soo, for some reason. Yearning for a greater amount of time with her, rather than a stolen moment of two souls seeking comfort in the rain. 

This is a testament to Lee Joon-gi's nuanced and intricate expressions, he can emote something that resonates with each person but also exudes an ambiguity to allow for individual interpretations.

That is what you call a competent actor. I'm obsessed with this drama and greatly anticipating Mondays! 

[Diana Blanche]

8 minutes ago, Niki Azia said:

i think because episode 1-7, HS & WW got more scene than HS & WS that why they said zero chermistry between WS & HS.

zero chemistry is too much .. mybe just 40%? we can see their chemistry after HS break with WW. 

For me it was 100% starting with this

[ruzikie]

i already got the chemistry of Wang So and Hae Soo when he said he wants to kill her.

because i was thinking he didn't mean it but when Wang So, Hae Soo and Wang Wook met in the forest and that song ( BaekHyun song came along) I AM SOLD.

Okay, i fell in love with them more after he said bogoshipota in the long trailer. Gosh, his voice was eargasm

 

[sukbin]

3 hours ago, Niki Azia said:

'Scarlet Heart: Ryeo' stars Lee Joon-Gi, IU have zero chemistry? SBS drama fails to get good ratings

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Many viewers were upset when SBS's "Scarlet Heart: Ryeo," starring IU, Lee Joon-Gi, and Kang Ha-Neul, did not meet their expectations. The historical drama premiered on Aug. 29 with national viewership ratings of 7.4 percent only.

 

"Scarlet Heart: Ryeo" has been getting attention for its A-list cast, which includes EXO's Baekhyun, Girls Generation's Seohyun, Nam Joo Hyuk, Hong Jong Hyun, Yoon Sun-Woo, Ji Soo and Kang Han-Na. The hype was so prominent that it turned into the most expensive Korean drama sold to China in spite of the rising political strain between the two countries over the deployment of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system.

 

However, as early as the fourth episode of "Scarlet Heart: Ryeo," decline in viewers was noticed, which proceeded through its seventh episode. Unfortunately, many see Lee and IU's supposed lack of chemistry as the culprit behind the show's low rating.

It is said that there is a very little progress in the romance between the 4th Prince, Wang So (Lee) and Hae So (IU) in the historical drama. Apparently, there seems to be more interest in building a relationship between Hae So and the 8th Prince Wang Wook (Kang).

 

In spite of being behind in viewership ratings, "Scarlet Heart: Ryeo" was crowned the most influential television show for the first week of September. The historical drama took the first place with a record of 294.3 total points, ruling over KBS 2TV's "Moonlight Drawn By Clouds" and MBC's "Infinite Challenge," according to CJ E&M, as cited by The Kpop Herald.

 

Helmed by Kim Kyu-Tae, "Scarlet Heart: Ryeo" follows a 21st-century woman, Ko Ha-Jin (IU), who experienced a total eclipse of the sun that sent her back in time to the Goryeo Dynasty during King Taejo's (Jo Min-Gi) reign. She found herself trapped in the body of a 16-year-old Hae Soo, who is the cousin of the 8th Prince wife, Lady Hae (Park Shi-Eun).

 

Stranded in the past, Hae Soo got acquainted with King Taejo's other sons, including the fearsome 4th prince, who hides his face behind a mask. He is given the deprecatory label "wolf dog" by the others.

 

"Through Hae Soo, viewers will be able to experience what it is like for a 21st-century person to enter the Goryeo period," a representative from the drama said in a statement obtained by Soompi. "They can enjoy watching her learn to adapt and grow."

Check out the latest episode of SBS's "Scarlet Heart: Ryeo" below:

Link: http://en.yibada.com/articles/160656/20160916/scarlet-heart-ryeo-lee-joon-gi-iu-sbs.htm

I disagree as I feel that IU has strong chemistry with both LJK and KHN. 

And there are just too many complaints over the loveline between Wang Wook and Haesoo which give me the impression that most viewers (or more accurately those critical of the drama) really have no patience on how the story will eventually unfold. The novel version of Scarlet Heart is written as such and they are following closely to the core elements that the real OTP's love story will be developed towards the second half of the drama.

 

 

[Lady_Lara]

4 minutes ago, sukbin said:

I disagree as I feel that IU has strong chemistry with both LJK and KHN. 

And there are just too many complaints over the loveline between Wang Wook and Haesoo which give me the impression that most viewers (or more accurately those critical of the drama) really have no patience on how the story will eventually unfold. The novel version of Scarlet Heart is written as such and they are following closely to the core elements that the real OTP's love story will be developed towards the second half of the drama.

 

 

It seems that viewers in Korea haven't watched the c-version of Scarlet heart because the love story is the same. I mean the heroine in c-version fell in love with the 8th prince first of all and her love with the 4th prince came later. So I can't understand this complaints about IU and Junki chemistry-we should have patient and let the plot to be unfolded.

[Layali]

1 hour ago, luci13 said:

What if in that picture where So and Soo hugging, the close proximity happens because So's grabbing Soo fast thus she has her head buried in his chest? XD 

I don't want to think too far as they might get us disappointed with what wil come HAHAHAHAHAHAHA 

 

 

That was my first thought too.HS isn't hugging him...its just that WS is all encompassing her tiny self and it looks as if she's burying herself in him....pictures are deceiving.I'd be mighty pissed off if we are shown HS's heart not beating when she applies make-up on WS or  either of this week's epiosdes fail to show us a flashback realization through HS's eyes of all the WS-HS moments.If we don't get it this week,then I'm afraid it'd highly handicap the efforts of selling the main OTP 

[luci13]

Talking about kisses, I've been a long time fan of LJK as I must admit he's not a good kisser  So maybe I'll keep my expectation very low on this drama as well HAHAHAHAHA 

[liltash85]

5 hours ago, YourHighness . said:

Sweety, none of your posts and I mean none have shown you trying to understand WW's position. Let's see your reasons to dislike him:

1. The poem was for HS eyes only. It was not meant to share with anyone. So the poem should not and didnot ruin her reputation.

2. After the fight, the bridge and the surrounding area was empty when he pulled her to him. And as soon as they hear people's presence she pulled away. He was emotional at that time but he would have let go himself in a second or two. For him, HS is a priority.

3. WW came in the end while BA was leaving. He was with his brother before that remember, figuring out the emoticon. And BA had a point that they both knew was right.

 

See? Everything can be figured out if you just think it through but I don't see that happening here. People just do not want to understand his POV. Infact they try their best to twist it into something that it is not. All I see here are a few people using the smallest excuse to distrust and dislike him. Now I am not saying he won't turn grey or bad in the future but he is not right now and it's exhausting and honestly off putting to come forth such dislike for a perfect nice character.

 

I super sgree with you. I like  Wang So as I am Lee Junki fan, but i see some people here really trying hard to find little things about WW and try to make him like a double agent character. 

[myramalie]

9 minutes ago, Lady_Lara said:

It seems that viewers in Korea haven't watched the c-version of Scarlet heart because the love story is the same. I mean the heroine in c-version fell in love with the 8th prince first of all and her love with the 4th prince came later. So I can't understand this complaints about IU and Junki chemistry-we should have patient and let the plot to be unfolded.

 

Thanks all chingus for the comments and updates. It has been lively or else I don't know how i would pass my weds to sunday without this forum. It's disheartening to see the ratings and some negative reviews on this drama but I try not to be bothered by it and enjoying every minute of it plus the soundtrack. I do hope the drama will start to pick up its plot on the power struggle and romance by next week. I know the drama is trying its best to stay close to the history and I have been  reading about the killing and death. For once, I do hope every character in this drama would live happily ever after... emmm it is just my wishful thinking..

[luci13]

WOW! this FMV is gooood!

 

http://tvpot.daum.net/v/vd0edFEFEF4AFEv4hEFWBGA

 

cr: SHR DC

[deabakdrama]

13 hours ago, mewtwo said:

 I've been searching through the internet about 4th prince killing his brothers but there was no mention of that, 8th prince had 2 sons who became crown princes and he lived till 969, Wang So became king way before 969, in Moon Lovers they said he'll kill his brothers on his way to the throne and not during his ruling, he was king from 949-975, and maybe Wang Uk Anjong is Baek Ah ? he lived till 996 , so I thought maybe Moon Lovers's writers made that up about him killing his brothers to make an interesting story of Hae Soo changing history & softening Wang So's heart so he doesn't kill his brothers, mind sharing were did you read he really did kill his brothers?  

 

 

Agree with you @mewtwo. The writer might be making up the story that WS killed all his brothers, in fact, WS did not. At least thru my understanding WW did not die during WS ruling. HS is the key person in changing WS personality and appearance. 

[staygold]

I want a HS in real life to teach me makeup so that I can hide my panda eyes dark circes!!!   Her make up game is strong even the rain cant spoil it!!

Where is Monday!!?