vwj1 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 40somethingahjumma I love reading your "essays". I'm amazed sometimes at the things you write because it's pretty darn much the things I am thinking. I could never write them as eloquently as you do though. So thank you for sharing it here. 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amisyka77 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Spoiler Beautiful..but i just wish at that same moment they show WS riding off with his horsey and dissapearing over the horizon..it'll give more feeling of despair to the separation scene...huhu...what am i suggesting? as if the angst we had is not enough,i'm asking for more...mitchi! 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makdara Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Next episode...So will change after become the king he should married YH by then ...when he change So will free HS so that YH will not harm her i think that a reason why only after six yrs married YH( in history) he only have his first son...... When HS left the palace she will marry Jung and stay with him until she die....meaning she die quite young also ...mayb 30 plus her own age..when she transported to goryeo..... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdramawriter Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 42 minutes ago, 40somethingahjumma said: But the progression works. It certainly works in the show. It helps that the actors have chemistry and they can act. Both LJG and LJE can dial up the angst and the tension when called for it. This is certainly turning out to be my favourite K drama romance... maybe... ever... Yes, fate's involved like every single K drama that's ever made but fate shows us why these two need to be together despite the odds and maybe even despite fate itself moving in ways that seek to undermine what they have. Well I'll be back after attending to kids to write more about the rest of the episode. I have lots to say. Unfortunately for you guys, I think I'll be writing quite a few essays today. Same here! I fell so hard for these two because the writer really worked at creating real obstacles and real relationship moments. I know alot of viewers were frustrated by the slow-rate of shipbuilding, but honestly I don't think any writer should care what the viewer thinks at all as long as there's a master plan in mind. The speed of them getting together is perfect because by god, these two have really REALLY earned it and that's more satisfying than any scene fluff. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmluv Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 dear eclipses, forgive me if this already questioned. i usually watch sbs version on myasiantv. but because they play youku version last night, i lost track for sbs vers. with soo much differences between both version i'm craving for the sbs vers now can you share the link or pm me please? thank you so much in advance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
may6 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 everything is getting more complicated now, i don't know what our chances are for a happy ending...I so desperately want one ....i think that maybe queen yo will be the one to kill HS slowly ,by poising her ,it is a possibility since it seems we are heading that way...having HS marry JW...and what can be worst for that woman than having her own son hate her and thus having a very very long and lonely life ,like lady oh predicted. i don't see how WJ is going to turn against his mother other than having her get rid of the love of his life( HS ) he is not the brightest when it comes to judging people and assigning blame right and left ,but it is my hope that by the end ,even if he cannot be WS allied ,then at least , he learns to judge people better . other possibilities are : maybe queen yo did contributed to WY getting crazy and WJ gets to know this ,or having WJ hear a conversation between WS and mother , and know the truth behind his scar and his mother's real character.....and YH , i can't express enough how i don't approve of her impending wedding to WS...the thought of it doesn't even let me sleep peacefully at night ...she is all sort of wrong for him and yet she gets everything ....noooooo,that is really depressing ...can we just have HS be queen Daemok....i heard her name means something along the lines of a strong tree or foundation, we know how much WS is fond of nature...why oh why will YH have such a lovely name for her ....noooo I think that for her to became queen she will throw away her mother and brother ...and thus this is what is going to bring WW to the beginning of it all...the irony and remember lady oh words...he saved the wrong person, and by saving the wrong person at that moment he sealed his fate, the one were he was destined to have nothing...it all went wrong for him since the very beginning , he let go of HS so that he could save his sister from her crime; he wouldn't hurt their mother like he said... she knew she wouldn't be losing anything from the very beginning since she knew he wouldn't be able to throw them away ( and his ambitions as well got the better of him ) I do believe that at that at moment, however, his first thought was a resigning one and his motivations were impulsed by the need to save his family first. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tentennn Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 What episode and version was the scene where Soo gives Baek Ah/Jung the bracelet to give to Wook? I don't remember seeing it. Also one thing that I find confusing is how did Soo meet Woo Hee. I just remember the first scene of them together was after So came to see Soo as a laundry maid. And suddenly, there's a scene of Woo Hee and Soo being super friendly with one another which I'm so confused about. Soo was telling Woo Hee how Baek Ah was a good guy but couldn't say too much about him. Preview 17 is definitely giving me chills. Who does Wang So want to kill? 8 hours ago, hobeverly1212 said: oh the scene where So holds her hand in bed not shown on sbs too? Are there pictures of this? Haven't seen them yet. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cojulie Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 2 hours ago, ruizaio said: Are you Korean? How do you know that expression? It's my first time to see it in English and I got a kick out of that! Haha, no I'm Vietnamese but my son's father's side of the family is Korean so I used to hear it all the time and it's how I learned the basic Korean that I do know. 2 hours ago, ruizaio said: @cojulie The post says: "Your Highness, don't get lost on your way to the future. Even if foxtails (Korean for this is puppy grass) are pretty and the breeze is nice, don't get distracted (Korean expression for being distracted is to "sell one eye") so that we can surely meet again in the future" Baekhyun replied with "Soon Deok..." and LJG said "Well done, Soon Deok, you worked. hard. Hope you two meet again in a modern drama." Ah thank you! As I just mentioned in another reply to you, I know limited Korean and have never heard of those two terms. Just learned something new now!! 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krysyuy Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 14 minutes ago, tentennn said: What episode and version was the scene where Soo gives Baek Ah/Jung the bracelet to give to Wook? I don't remember seeing it. Also one thing that I find confusing is how did Soo meet Woo Hee. I just remember the first scene of them together was after So came to see Soo as a laundry maid. And suddenly, there's a scene of Woo Hee and Soo being super friendly with one another which I'm so confused about. Soo was telling Woo Hee how Baek Ah was a good guy but couldn't say too much about him. Preview 17 is definitely giving me chills. Who does Wang So want to kill? Are there pictures of this? Haven't seen them yet. The drama hasn't shown us a scene where Soo gives the bracelet to anyone. For all we know, she could actually still have it. Ugh. Though some of us speculate she already gave it back and it'll be shown in flashback. Soo met Woo Hee during the one-year time skip when Soo is sent to work on laundry. From their very first scene together (Soo comes across Woo Hee and sees that Woo Hee needs to talk), we're just meant to assume they became friends during the time we didn't get to see. ^^;; Woo Hee was already talking about how they bonded over their scars, etc etc. So yeah, from the first scene of them together, they're already supposed to be really good friends. The scene where So holds her hand in bed: Spoiler 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeBe Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Spoiler 5 hours ago, nidcha202 said: @tentennn you can see it there he was holding her hand and starring at each others. @nidcha202 sorry for cutting your post 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post liddi Posted October 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2016 Ep16 subs are complete, thanks to the wonderful, unfailing generosity of @ruizaio, @snowglobe147 and 4seasonswithIU @ twitter's hard work and efforts in translating for us. Additional scenes from SBS version: 1. Chaeryung's comments about the poem [38:24 to 38:28] 2. So and Soo's conversation by the lake at night leading to the backhug [38:47 to 40:03] 3. Yo-Woo Hee's dialogue where we learn about their deal and their falling out [40:44 to 42:45] 4. So's recollection of Soo's backhug by the lake [43:51 to 44:00] 5. Two kisses! 6. Depiction of Yo being haunted, having a heart attack and being found by Wook. [55:17 to 57:08] 7. Ji Mong telling So that the time has come for him to claim the throne, and all his allies are in place awaiting his decision [57:18 to 57:27] 8. Preview - So giving the order to kill Fixed subs: 1. Soo explaining why she didn't tell him that Eun was in Damiwon [19:19 to 19:44] 2. Yo speaks of So's credit in executing Eun and Soon Deok [22:07 to 22:18] Additional scenes from International version: 1. General Park Soo Kyung being informed that Eun and Soon Deok are being attacked at Damiwon, and the general rushing to them 2. When So declares that his determination to be king, he asks Ji Mong and Baek Ah whether they were on board as well, to which Baek Ah says it was his fate since he is So's brother, while Ji Mong claims he should take responsibility for his words. 3. Soo tells Woo Hee to let Baek Ah know her wish to see So. When Woo Hee said it would be dangerous, she said she was prepared. 4. Jung's audience with Yo, during which he asks for a reward for keeping the borders peaceful. 5. Jung looking for Soo, but told by Chaeryung that she is ill. 6. A kiss and a hug 7. Upon hearing Yo's condition, Soo determined he had a heart attack, to which So commented that Yo had always been sensitive and must have had a harder time with Moo and Eun's deaths than they realised. Ji Mong spoke about Yo's practice of Buddhism and visits to the shaman. 8. Preview - Queen Yoo pressuring Yo to name Jung as his heir, to which Yo asks what he was to her. Wook speaks of Soo becoming the king's woman. 48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnniSarah Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 4 hours ago, bebebisous33 said: No, there is a huge difference. Wang Wook has always wanted to become the king, but he hid it very well. When Hae Soo appeared, he fell in love with her, nevertheless he was hesitating to choose between the throne and her. That's why he made so many promises and asked her to wait... until Wang So really appeared as a rival. From that moment, he proposed to her and decided to give up the throne in order to have her. But it was in my opinion only a temporary decision. I am sure, at some point, he would have tried to come back. However, the poisoning incident (episode 11) happened and due to YH's words, he realised that if he decided to stay by Hae Soo's side, he would definitely lose the chance to become king therefore he abandoned her. Wang Wook tried to justify himself in front of Hae Soo that he was powerless... and if he were a king, he would protect her. But truth is that he used Hae Soo for his own benefit and not only once but twice. - He wanted to kill Wang So (episode 13) - the poisoning of Mu I had mentioned it before, it was Wang Wook's selfishness that pushed Hae Soo away. Wang So's proposal to Hae Soo illustrates it. Wang So decided to become the king for other reasons: not out of hunger for power, but out of love. He wanted to end the bloodsheet between the brothers. He wanted to make sure that not just Hae Soo was protected but all the others, including himself. Wang Wook has never been used as tool or even dog... while Wang So had to do the dirty work that Wang Wook and Yo had put on him!!! Out of self-preservation, whereas Wang Wook had never been in real danger the entire time: he plotted against Mu and Yo, then again against Mu. He could have just supported the king! But no, it was not enough... he was aiming at the throne. Wang So never did such a thing. Wook is indirectly the reason why Wang So wanted to become the king. Wang Wook has never been threatened by Mu, yet he had him poisoned through CR and Won! @bebebisous33 I just love your explanation and I agree 10000%. WW was never honest with HS unlike WS has always been himself from the beginning. For some reason with WS and Hae Soo has always been herself in WS's presence. HS saw Wang So's loneliness, pain , playfulness and his desire to be loved. That is why she was always worried about him. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tentennn Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 17 minutes ago, krysyuy said: The drama hasn't shown us a scene where Soo gives the bracelet to anyone. For all we know, she could actually still have it. Ugh. Though some of us speculate she already gave it back and it'll be shown in flashback. Soo met Woo Hee during the one-year time skip when Soo is sent to work on laundry. From their very first scene together (Soo comes across Woo Hee and sees that Woo Hee needs to talk), we're just meant to assume they became friends during the time we didn't get to see. ^^;; Woo Hee was already talking about how they bonded over their scars, etc etc. So yeah, from the first scene of them together, they're already supposed to be really good friends. The scene where So holds her hand in bed: @krysyuy Thank you so much for taking the time to explain everything to me. It makes so much more sense and confirms what I have been thinking. You took so much time to explain it to me. I'm grateful!!! You're the best!! @TeBe Thank you so much for answering my question. I wasn't looking closely before but now that I have, I can't believe I overlooked the photo! 16 minutes ago, TeBe said: @tentennn you can see it there he was holding her hand and starring at each others. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
violet90 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 i think the miscarriage thing will be used in this drama and it will be the main thing that will caused Soo decided that she want to go away from palace... i don't see any other loophole that we can have the solid reason why Soo will do the drastic decision... CR will be killed but So that i know would never tortured people just to make a point she will be devastated but not to point where she will leave So.. and i read somewhere in here that she is a loyal person and stick with what she loves and i agree to that.. heck she even wiling to forgive WW after what he did if he actually decide to go away from palace with her.. Soo will likely wiling to go through the marriage with YH , CR dies but when her own child have to die i don't think she will stay there.. also her sickness will be worsen at that point... in BBJX RX will tell 4th about her involvement in throne battle and she the caused of 13th go to house arrest for 10 years adding to that her and 8th love story just make 4th goes blind jealous and let her go... but in this drama there is nothing that will make So hate her except her relationship with WW.. i think this drama will use the selflessness and the love between them to tear them apart and not just because of the throne.. So because he does't want her to get more hurt in the palace and Soo is to let So fulfill his destiny as KG.. since the beginning Lady Oh said Soo will never fit in palace.. she too kind and delicate person to survive the palace.. and i agree with that.. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karenestoya Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Since we already saw the SBS preview, what do you think WS demands to be killed? (Not even wanting to leave a single one) For me, I think he finds out who the traitors were CR, Won, and WWook, and he decides to kill them in order to protect HS, and the other princes. Maybe something happened to HS too for him to act that way. I am just so scared for his descent to madness(?) 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 40somethingahjumma Posted October 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2016 We've been directed to view the throne as the holy grail in this drama right from the start. The seat of power that is coveted by men seeking the power that it holds for whatever ends. Watching Yo descend into madness (albeit somewhat quickly) suggests that the throne was not meant to be his in the first place and the means he used to consolidate his position would become his ultimate undoing. The truth is that no one can wield its power without being unscathed in some fashion but the more interesting question then becomes how much of an impact does it have on the soul of the one that sits on it? It certainly has interesting parallels with the Ring of Power... the One Ring... from LOTR. Is it an instrument of corruption or does it merely show what is in the heart of the man who wears it? In the case of ML... the throne represents the gaining of absolute power but the question then is... what manner of man can hold such power in his hands? What will the throne do to So... will he be a Gollum or a Boromir (which is what Yo falls victim to) or will he will be something closer to an Aragorn or even a Faramir or a Frodo? I think it's clear from the books that the Ring of Power takes what is inside the wearer even with the best of intentions, amplifies and corrupts it. A wonderful allegory of sin developed by Tolkien. In Lang Ya Bang (Nirvana in Fire) there's a fascinating conversation between the Emperor and the protagonist about what the throne represents. The Emperor insists that the throne changes people. Even with all the good intentions in the world to do good when one attains power, one is inevitably changed by it. Power... as the saying goes... corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. The protagonist disagrees... he postulates that the man who sits in it determines the quality of the rule and determines what that seat becomes. A good man who doesn't seek power for its own sake won't ever be corrupted by it. Well, at least not to the extent that he will eschew all the principles he holds dear. From this perspective, the throne is a revelation... it becomes a mirror of the man who sits in it. It's a great debate... probably one that has been raging since time immemorial. So then... what man can rule? What kind of man can handle so much power and will never completely consumed by it? That is the million dollar question. In Spiderman talk... the other side of power is great responsibility. Used for altruistic purposes, power can do much good. I am also reminded of another piece of popular culture, Ever After, about a prince who didn't want to be King. He was constantly running from it, calling it his "gilded cage". But when he met the right woman, she opened his eyes to the possibilities of what being a King could be. He could use that position to do a lot of good. (Lots of references to Thomas More's Utopia which was incidentally satirized by Voltaire in Candide) All the things he was passionate about could be a platform from which he made his contribution to his land. I believe Gwangjong could be that kind of man. Although the woman by his side never wanted him to become King... which is perhaps in part why she was loathed to get involve with him romantically... Through the ironies of fate, she becomes the means by which his eyes were opened to its possibilities for good. To protect her and whatever's left of his family, he's finally put his hand up for the job after being misused, abused, bullied almost to the point of losing his own sense of self (constantly labelled pejoratively as a "dog" or a "wolf"). What kind of man can potentially be a good king? I think the message of the drama is... one that has suffered and loved through suffering. And in this story really no one has suffered as much as So... and no one arguably has loved as greatly as So. 47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finallyanoppatostan Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Hi Eclipses It's my first time posting here after being silent reader SBS didn't show ep 17, did they? Did the ep 17 international version aired? I think I missed so many page and I didn't find the info while quick reading the thread 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deabakdrama Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 1 hour ago, krysyuy said: I just realized something - if Chae Ryung gets promoted to sanggung once Soo becomes the "King's woman", I'm going to lose it. Imagining her in charge of the Damiwon - no, just NO. (That gives Won an insane amount of power to make trouble for So and seriously, that snake needs to die already.) @krysyuy if CR gets promoted, then everyone will be in hell, especially WS and HS. Could be she is the one who serves an unhealthy drinks to HS unintentionally when she got pregnant and causing her lost baby. When WS gets to know about it, he gives order to kill CR. Somehow, CR who still has conscience within her and knowing that what she had done was totally wrong. She end up wrote a blood letter to HS reveals all the tragic happened in Damiwon. HS cannot stand with WS who has became cruelly towards CR. Plus, WW must have done something bad in gaining the throne from WS. When WS gets to know about his plots, WW purposely reveals all the romance between he and HS. Of course, WS as the king can't bare to listen it.. Mad again...he gives order to kill. HS might try to stop. WS even gets mad,.......I can't continue to imagine...GOSH... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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