Singers and Writers Have Mixed Opinions on IU’s “Zeze” Controversy

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Even after IU apologized for the controversy surrounding the lyrics in her song “Zeze,” critics and supporters continue to debate about the interpretation of her lyrics.  Writer Soh Jae Won wrote on his personal Twitter, “Even in art we respect taboos. If someone dragged my pure work of art across a boundary line and used […]

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[Guest hana_sakura]

So why are publishers, people who are only selling books, saying we should do this or that? If you’re selling books, you should guard the knowledge and refinement of literature.

^ This line is golden. I had the same idea when I read this. They're not even the author of the book, and yet, they're very judgmental on it. I believe the judgment of a book critique or people who read the book in the original language would be more believable.

[Ginaaaa]

There are "Do Not Touch" signs on exhibition works because the oil from the fingertips of many fingers can mar the work and decrease its value. It doesn't surprise me that it's a novelist who "cryptically" criticized Ms. IU along that line of thought.

Prof. Jin is spot on by suggesting the critics get their minds out of the gutter. IMHO

I read the lyrics, translated into English and I'm hoping the translation was a good one, but I have no way to judge. I wish I had read the lyrics BEFORE reading about the controversy because I cannot read them with being clouded by the controversy. 

The cover art is compelling to me ... the dream state of a young lady ala Alice in Wonderland. Wish I could see a HD version of it. Its a lovely throw back to the days when album cover art was almost as important as the music and the lyrics. It would set the stage of interpretation for the listener; a hint from the artist(s) to the consumer.

My all-time fave western writer, Norman Maclean, who unfortunately was not prolific, wrote these words:

“My father was very sure about certain matters pertaining to the universe. To him all good things-trout as well as eternal salvation-come by grace and grace comes by art and art does not come easy.” 

Love it, hate it or leave it ... real art gets people thinking and talking. Kudos to Ms. IU for being an artist. 

[Guest angrybird202]

So why are publishers, people who are only selling books, saying we should do this or that? If you’re selling books, you should guard the knowledge and refinement of literature.

^ This line is golden. I had the same idea when I read this. They're not even the author of the book, and yet, they're very judgmental on it. I believe the judgment of a book critique or people who read the book in the original language would be more believable.

Here is a Brazilian's interpretation about the lyrics + the book. ("My Sweet Orange is originally written by a Brazilian writer).
Part 1: https://twitter.com/Iedapple/status/662078778865242112
Part 2: https://twitter.com/Iedapple/status/662079247046062081
Part 3: https://twitter.com/Iedapple/status/662079680313499649

[Guest snowwie]

There are "Do Not Touch" signs on exhibition works because the oil from the fingertips of many fingers can mar the work and decrease its value. It doesn't surprise me that it's a novelist who "cryptically" criticized Ms. IU along that line of thought.

Prof. Jin is spot on by suggesting the critics get their minds out of the gutter. IMHO

I read the lyrics, translated into English and I'm hoping the translation was a good one, but I have no way to judge. I wish I had read the lyrics BEFORE reading about the controversy because I cannot read them with being clouded by the controversy. 

The cover art is compelling to me ... the dream state of a young lady ala Alice in Wonderland. Wish I could see a HD version of it. Its a lovely throw back to the days when album cover art was almost as important as the music and the lyrics. It would set the stage of interpretation for the listener; a hint from the artist(s) to the consumer.

My all-time fave western writer, Norman Maclean, who unfortunately was not prolific, wrote these words:

  Quote

“My father was very sure about certain matters pertaining to the universe. To him all good things-trout as well as eternal salvation-come by grace and grace comes by art and art does not come easy.” 

Love it, hate it or leave it ... real art gets people thinking and talking. Kudos to Ms. IU for being an artist. 

"There are "Do Not Touch" signs on exhibition works because the oil from the fingertips of many fingers can mar the work and decrease its value." i think this is why the publisher going public with their disagreement, they want to reserve the work of the author. real art gets people thinking and talking so is cheap publicity...just saying.

[Ginaaaa]

 

There are "Do Not Touch" signs on exhibition works because the oil from the fingertips of many fingers can mar the work and decrease its value. It doesn't surprise me that it's a novelist who "cryptically" criticized Ms. IU along that line of thought.

Prof. Jin is spot on by suggesting the critics get their minds out of the gutter. IMHO

I read the lyrics, translated into English and I'm hoping the translation was a good one, but I have no way to judge. I wish I had read the lyrics BEFORE reading about the controversy because I cannot read them with being clouded by the controversy. 

The cover art is compelling to me ... the dream state of a young lady ala Alice in Wonderland. Wish I could see a HD version of it. Its a lovely throw back to the days when album cover art was almost as important as the music and the lyrics. It would set the stage of interpretation for the listener; a hint from the artist(s) to the consumer.

My all-time fave western writer, Norman Maclean, who unfortunately was not prolific, wrote these words:

 

“My father was very sure about certain matters pertaining to the universe. To him all good things-trout as well as eternal salvation-come by grace and grace comes by art and art does not come easy.” 

Love it, hate it or leave it ... real art gets people thinking and talking. Kudos to Ms. IU for being an artist. 

 

"There are "Do Not Touch" signs on exhibition works because the oil from the fingertips of many fingers can mar the work and decrease its value." i think this is why the publisher going public with their disagreement, they want to reserve the work of the author. real art gets people thinking and talking so is cheap publicity...just saying.

Publishers want to sell books. I bet the sales of this particular book has increased. The publisher is also benefiting from cheap publicity and perhaps that was their intent in the beginning. 

[Guest Ming Banger]

There are "Do Not Touch" signs on exhibition works because the oil from the fingertips of many fingers can mar the work and decrease its value. It doesn't surprise me that it's a novelist who "cryptically" criticized Ms. IU along that line of thought.

Prof. Jin is spot on by suggesting the critics get their minds out of the gutter. IMHO

I read the lyrics, translated into English and I'm hoping the translation was a good one, but I have no way to judge. I wish I had read the lyrics BEFORE reading about the controversy because I cannot read them with being clouded by the controversy. 

The cover art is compelling to me ... the dream state of a young lady ala Alice in Wonderland. Wish I could see a HD version of it. Its a lovely throw back to the days when album cover art was almost as important as the music and the lyrics. It would set the stage of interpretation for the listener; a hint from the artist(s) to the consumer.

My all-time fave western writer, Norman Maclean, who unfortunately was not prolific, wrote these words:

  Quote

“My father was very sure about certain matters pertaining to the universe. To him all good things-trout as well as eternal salvation-come by grace and grace comes by art and art does not come easy.” 

Love it, hate it or leave it ... real art gets people thinking and talking. Kudos to Ms. IU for being an artist. 

Well said.

[Guest Ming Banger]

This severely distresses me. I wouldn't want to read anything from a writer who is selfish and closed minded so much that he believes his words should be interpreted only one way. I was curious about the book because of the controversy. I read it in English and Korean and came away with different ideas from both of the books.
Honestly I become terrified when something like this happens. I'm painfully aware of why my parents chose to have me educated outside of Korea. Everything that makes a human being unique, balanced, happy, independent, successful and productive is stifled here. IU mistakenly uses a descriptive word to describe her song and an artist rendering of a mischievous tempered child sends people (who probably have never had an original thought or idea in their lives) into a fever frenzy of hate, malevolence and criminal accusations. She doesn't deserve this; she has done nothing wrong. Nothing.

[Guest hereformedia]

  On 11/8/2015, 7:25:39, Ginaaaa said:

There are "Do Not Touch" signs on exhibition works because the oil from the fingertips of many fingers can mar the work and decrease its value. It doesn't surprise me that it's a novelist who "cryptically" criticized Ms. IU along that line of thought.

Prof. Jin is spot on by suggesting the critics get their minds out of the gutter. IMHO

I read the lyrics, translated into English and I'm hoping the translation was a good one, but I have no way to judge. I wish I had read the lyrics BEFORE reading about the controversy because I cannot read them with being clouded by the controversy. 

The cover art is compelling to me ... the dream state of a young lady ala Alice in Wonderland. Wish I could see a HD version of it. Its a lovely throw back to the days when album cover art was almost as important as the music and the lyrics. It would set the stage of interpretation for the listener; a hint from the artist(s) to the consumer.

My all-time fave western writer, Norman Maclean, who unfortunately was not prolific, wrote these words:

  Quote

  Quote

“My father was very sure about certain matters pertaining to the universe. To him all good things-trout as well as eternal salvation-come by grace and grace comes by art and art does not come easy.” 

Love it, hate it or leave it ... real art gets people thinking and talking. Kudos to Ms. IU for being an artist. 

Well said.

unfortunately prof jin is not spot on. had he not added his last sentence he would have been. He talks about freedom of interpretation but in his last sentence contradicts himself by criticizing peoples interpretation of her music video and lyrics. You can't defend her freedom of interpretation by denouncing others freedom of interpretation. just as IU saw zeze in a different light and portrayed it others saw her view and interpreted it as well. had it just been her interpretation of zeze it would not have mattered but because she took that interpretation and made her own art out of it, it allowed others to interpret her art as well. None who have come to defend her have done it properly because they have all done it by contradicting themselves by denouncing other peoples freedom of interpretation simply because they interpret it negatively.

[Guest hereformedia]

well actually solbi and yoon jong shin have probably taken the best route in defending IU, because they don't take a side they simply state the facts. This is the best example of protecting everyone's right for interpretation.

[Guest snowwie]

  20 hours ago, snowwie said:

  On 11/8/2015, 7:25:39, Ginaaaa said:

 

There are "Do Not Touch" signs on exhibition works because the oil from the fingertips of many fingers can mar the work and decrease its value. It doesn't surprise me that it's a novelist who "cryptically" criticized Ms. IU along that line of thought.

Prof. Jin is spot on by suggesting the critics get their minds out of the gutter. IMHO

I read the lyrics, translated into English and I'm hoping the translation was a good one, but I have no way to judge. I wish I had read the lyrics BEFORE reading about the controversy because I cannot read them with being clouded by the controversy. 

The cover art is compelling to me ... the dream state of a young lady ala Alice in Wonderland. Wish I could see a HD version of it. Its a lovely throw back to the days when album cover art was almost as important as the music and the lyrics. It would set the stage of interpretation for the listener; a hint from the artist(s) to the consumer.

My all-time fave western writer, Norman Maclean, who unfortunately was not prolific, wrote these words:

  Quote

 

“My father was very sure about certain matters pertaining to the universe. To him all good things-trout as well as eternal salvation-come by grace and grace comes by art and art does not come easy.” 

Love it, hate it or leave it ... real art gets people thinking and talking. Kudos to Ms. IU for being an artist. 

 

"There are "Do Not Touch" signs on exhibition works because the oil from the fingertips of many fingers can mar the work and decrease its value." i think this is why the publisher going public with their disagreement, they want to reserve the work of the author. real art gets people thinking and talking so is cheap publicity...just saying.

Publishers want to sell books. I bet the sales of this particular book has increased. The publisher is also benefiting from cheap publicity and perhaps that was their intent in the beginning. 

i know i should't expect more from a kpop fan but publisher is more than a book salesman. maybe this video will open your eyes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FlnAFH4HV4

during case like this, it's the author who supposes to speak up but he's already dead so it's acceptable for me that the publisher made the press release since the shitstorm happen in korea and i'm sure only 0,0000000000001% of brazillian population know kpop so i doubt they care.

let's put it that way, if one nutjub interpret twilight as teenlit with incest story instead of about vampire (emmet & rosalie) and it goes so big that it's mentioned everywhere in the twitter timeline, do you think stephanie meyer will find it necessary to address the issue?

because that's what iu's doing, making someone precious story to be all about her. it's wrong because there is no sexual theme in the story yet iu made it that way, no wonder the publishers pissed of.

it's obvious that book sales will go up during shitstorm like this but i',m sure it's nowhere the money iu made from exploit the issue.

[Ginaaaa]

 

 

 

 

There are "Do Not Touch" signs on exhibition works because the oil from the fingertips of many fingers can mar the work and decrease its value. It doesn't surprise me that it's a novelist who "cryptically" criticized Ms. IU along that line of thought.

Prof. Jin is spot on by suggesting the critics get their minds out of the gutter. IMHO

I read the lyrics, translated into English and I'm hoping the translation was a good one, but I have no way to judge. I wish I had read the lyrics BEFORE reading about the controversy because I cannot read them with being clouded by the controversy. 

The cover art is compelling to me ... the dream state of a young lady ala Alice in Wonderland. Wish I could see a HD version of it. Its a lovely throw back to the days when album cover art was almost as important as the music and the lyrics. It would set the stage of interpretation for the listener; a hint from the artist(s) to the consumer.

My all-time fave western writer, Norman Maclean, who unfortunately was not prolific, wrote these words:

 

 

“My father was very sure about certain matters pertaining to the universe. To him all good things-trout as well as eternal salvation-come by grace and grace comes by art and art does not come easy.” 

Love it, hate it or leave it ... real art gets people thinking and talking. Kudos to Ms. IU for being an artist. 

 

"There are "Do Not Touch" signs on exhibition works because the oil from the fingertips of many fingers can mar the work and decrease its value." i think this is why the publisher going public with their disagreement, they want to reserve the work of the author. real art gets people thinking and talking so is cheap publicity...just saying.

Publishers want to sell books. I bet the sales of this particular book has increased. The publisher is also benefiting from cheap publicity and perhaps that was their intent in the beginning. 

 

i know i should't expect more from a kpop fan but publisher is more than a book salesman. maybe this video will open your eyes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FlnAFH4HV4

during case like this, it's the author who supposes to speak up but he's already dead so it's acceptable for me that the publisher made the press release since the shitstorm happen in korea and i'm sure only 0,0000000000001% of brazillian population know kpop so i doubt they care.

let's put it that way, if one nutjub interpret twilight as teenlit with incest story instead of about vampire (emmet & rosalie) and it goes so big that it's mentioned everywhere in the twitter timeline, do you think stephanie meyer will find it necessary to address the issue?

because that's what iu's doing, making someone precious story to be all about her. it's wrong because there is no sexual theme in the story yet iu made it that way, no wonder the publishers pissed of.

it's obvious that book sales will go up during shitstorm like this but i',m sure it's nowhere the money iu made from exploit the issue.

First of all, I am NOT a kpop fan. Far from it. The manufactured music that is most of kpop is so very far away from the music aesthetic that floats my personal boat. But I do admit, there are some, not many, but there are some that have made me take notice. But I have not listened to anything Ms. IU has put out.

Thank you for the link, but I have volunteered many hours at my children's school's libraries, in addition to serving on the local school district board's library advisory committee (a non-paid position) that I am keenly aware of what goes into the making of a seriously good children's book. I have fought the fight for literacy for the children in my local community, including the fight to help two of my own children who had reading disabilities. It takes a village.

The way I see it, IU read that "precious story" and it spoke to her. Volumes. Maybe she is a victim of abuse herself. I have a feeling she is.

Don't use Twilight as an example because I've not read the books nor seen the movies. That also does not float my personal boat so any reference to it just flies over my head.

As for Brazilians, they seem to me to be  ... ummm ... let's just say they very laid back. I've not been to Brazil, but I've met and have had business dealings with a number of Brazilians. I have a feeling they are aware of kpop, at least to a small degree. Korea has done a good job exporting Hallyu and Brazilians are a sophisticated people.

 

[Ginaaaa]

 

 

 

There are "Do Not Touch" signs on exhibition works because the oil from the fingertips of many fingers can mar the work and decrease its value. It doesn't surprise me that it's a novelist who "cryptically" criticized Ms. IU along that line of thought.

Prof. Jin is spot on by suggesting the critics get their minds out of the gutter. IMHO

I read the lyrics, translated into English and I'm hoping the translation was a good one, but I have no way to judge. I wish I had read the lyrics BEFORE reading about the controversy because I cannot read them with being clouded by the controversy. 

The cover art is compelling to me ... the dream state of a young lady ala Alice in Wonderland. Wish I could see a HD version of it. Its a lovely throw back to the days when album cover art was almost as important as the music and the lyrics. It would set the stage of interpretation for the listener; a hint from the artist(s) to the consumer.

My all-time fave western writer, Norman Maclean, who unfortunately was not prolific, wrote these words:

 

 

“My father was very sure about certain matters pertaining to the universe. To him all good things-trout as well as eternal salvation-come by grace and grace comes by art and art does not come easy.” 

Love it, hate it or leave it ... real art gets people thinking and talking. Kudos to Ms. IU for being an artist. 

 

 

Well said.

 

unfortunately prof jin is not spot on. had he not added his last sentence he would have been. He talks about freedom of interpretation but in his last sentence contradicts himself by criticizing peoples interpretation of her music video and lyrics. You can't defend her freedom of interpretation by denouncing others freedom of interpretation. just as IU saw zeze in a different light and portrayed it others saw her view and interpreted it as well. had it just been her interpretation of zeze it would not have mattered but because she took that interpretation and made her own art out of it, it allowed others to interpret her art as well. None who have come to defend her have done it properly because they have all done it by contradicting themselves by denouncing other peoples freedom of interpretation simply because they interpret it negatively.

I appreciate and respect your opinion. I see Prof. Jin's last sentence has part of his opinion, to which he is also entitled to, just the same as you and me. It's not a contradiction, it's a stance (but that is my opinion). The last thing in the world I would want to do is deny another person's freedom of interpretation! I may not agree with the interpretation, and it's the discussion of the differences opinions that makes the whole thing interesting. 

[Guest Ming Banger]

  19 hours ago, Ming Banger said:

  On Sun Nov 08 2015 07:25:39 GMT-0500, Ginaaaa said:

  On 11/8/2015, 7:25:39, Ginaaaa said:

There are "Do Not Touch" signs on exhibition works because the oil from the fingertips of many fingers can mar the work and decrease its value. It doesn't surprise me that it's a novelist who "cryptically" criticized Ms. IU along that line of thought.

Prof. Jin is spot on by suggesting the critics get their minds out of the gutter. IMHO

I read the lyrics, translated into English and I'm hoping the translation was a good one, but I have no way to judge. I wish I had read the lyrics BEFORE reading about the controversy because I cannot read them with being clouded by the controversy. 

The cover art is compelling to me ... the dream state of a young lady ala Alice in Wonderland. Wish I could see a HD version of it. Its a lovely throw back to the days when album cover art was almost as important as the music and the lyrics. It would set the stage of interpretation for the listener; a hint from the artist(s) to the consumer.

My all-time fave western writer, Norman Maclean, who unfortunately was not prolific, wrote these words:

  Quote

  Quote

  Quote

“My father was very sure about certain matters pertaining to the universe. To him all good things-trout as well as eternal salvation-come by grace and grace comes by art and art does not come easy.” 

Love it, hate it or leave it ... real art gets people thinking and talking. Kudos to Ms. IU for being an artist. 

Well said.

unfortunately prof jin is not spot on. had he not added his last sentence he would have been. He talks about freedom of interpretation but in his last sentence contradicts himself by criticizing peoples interpretation of her music video and lyrics. You can't defend her freedom of interpretation by denouncing others freedom of interpretation. just as IU saw zeze in a different light and portrayed it others saw her view and interpreted it as well. had it just been her interpretation of zeze it would not have mattered but because she took that interpretation and made her own art out of it, it allowed others to interpret her art as well. None who have come to defend her have done it properly because they have all done it by contradicting themselves by denouncing other peoples freedom of interpretation simply because they interpret it negatively.

He gave his opinion on the matter and then he gave his stance. That's a wee bit different from what you're saying. I don't recall saying an opposite opinion of mine was the wrong opinion.
I said I was terrified of people who thought like her detractors. Korea is just a breath away from taking freedom away from all but a chosen few. When books, works of art, cinema, education, independent thought suffer because conservative moral police want to stifle humans until they're 1984 robots...yep, I'm terrified.