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@luvcrabbieshinhwa I'm not sure of the exact meaning here of these words "When I see you (looking at Seol)...Even though the complicated things on the inside barely make me jump.. Somehow those things that i might get because of you. Maybe it can subside down through you again..at one point, that kind of ending come to us so.."  

Is he saying that though he rarely feels things (complicated things on the inside), he might be able to feel them ("get them") because of Seol?  But that those feelings will  leave him again ("subside") when things end between him and Seol? (shades of his relationship with Inho and Inha?).  

Thanks so much for the translation!

I think that scrap of paper with the phone number was torn from that job posting we saw earlier.  So he figures out she's looking for a job, and that must be what motivates Jung to find her one where he can be near her.  Poor AP Heo, the scholarship and the job.  That Jung - even as he's realizing his "weird" feelings, he's setting his line of attack up.  

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I love the newest chapter of the webtoon. For one I really like how it throws back to previous flashbacks and again for me shows how similar Jung and Seol truly are and how the two really have been observing each other all year long. I also like how the hand reach or touch calls back on so many things. To me it symbolically fits with the season 4 last supper cover drawing we saw. The hand touch also calls back to previous flashbacks of the end of the year festival (which this current flashbacks are within the same time frame. I think we are seeing the end of the year BAR festival preparations for Jung's POV -the latest one is like a day or week after the peperation, has the festival happened?- while in the season 3  flashbacks they were told from Seol's perspective. I also like that we are getting closer to where the webtoon first started, which is drunk Seol declaring that she is quitting school because of Jung) which was told from Seol's POV. Unless I am confusing the drama and the webtoon (please don't tell me that I am) I find it interesting that Seol successfully grabs Jung's hand in her sleep, however here Jung fails in taking Seol's hand. He comes close but she awakens, well is in a drowsy state of delusional awakes and startles him. Jung covers Seol's eyes and lulls her back to sleep. 

If we are going with Snooki's biblical last supper (which could mean nothing at all LOL) could the whole Jung trying to touch Seol be some kind of reference to Michelangelo's 'The Creation of Adam'? I'm not going to go into art history here but that painting in the Sistine Chapel ceiling is to show God giving the spark of life, humanity into Adam. Many also say that the similar outstretched arms of God and Adam shows that man is created in the likeliness and image of God. We, they, it (I don't want to get religious) are the same and equal. However the two finger don't touch. They are stretched toward each other but they don't touch. Meaning God and Adam (humanity), the giver and the taker are not the same. They are not on the same level. How does this fall into CiTT, Jung, and this chapter. Well Jung's whole thing has been that he and Seol are alike. In this chapter and these flashbacks is when he puts his observations and mixed feelings and why do I always find myself noticing/attracted to this girl. Why do the things she does that others that do not bother me, bother me? Why does she get to me? Together and comes to the conclusion that he and Seol are alike. Seol is like him. She Seol can understand him Yoo Jung. Him Yoo Jung who his whole life has felt like an outsider even in his own home, strange, weird, he doesn't really fit in. He fits in as he knows how to fake the smiles, keep the conversation, give into what he knows others desire or want to hear, kind of blend in and be there, but not really there, has found someone who is like him in that respect (and from Jung's encounters with Seol and what I myself have seen and read, the two are similar in that regard) in Seol.

So if Jung who has been raised or better yet has grown up with this idea that who he is and how he thinks and behaves and such is weird and strange and keeps him or others from forming real connections with him and having people understand him (to Jung no one really understand him, sees him, or likes him. In his humble opinion people have been neglecting and quick to label him -his parents professor Baek-, they have been users -kids in school- fakers who he thought understood him and he believed accepted him,  but were really betrayers, users, and liars, like the others -the Baeks who have called him strange and weird behind his back and then to his face- or those who view him as some kind of benefit, a rub of shoulders, i do for you, you do for me, but those people still aren't like him or really notice and see him -college kids-) has found someone who sees him for him (and Seol really has seen though a lot of his stuff that others ignore) and is a bit like him.."let's be weird and strange together".....no, to me it opens up a lot of questions for Jung...I really don't understand what Jung means in the quote that @brielover has of him, but boy is it interesting. I got so many thoughts on that which I will share once I back read on past flashbacks that I think adds some insight. But what's interesting is that in this panel the idea to Jung that he and Seol are alike awakens in him. Yet, is that true? Symbolical Jung's outreached finger never touches Seol meaning they are not "made in each other's likeness". In season 3 Jung himself comes to realize that he and Seol are not as a like as he thought. He himself says that Seol doesn't understand him, so how can he be honest with her when for him, one needs understanding in order to be honest (while I think Seol feels you need honesty in order to gain understanding, while I think the two honesty and understanding go hand in hand and build upon one another). This idea of not understanding one another also has Jung questioning if Seol really does love him or simply can't let him go, and yeah those two kids have a lot to work out still. Which is why I don't think this is the last season. I highly think we may get a short s5 or a lot more chapters in season 4 than the planned 50. I mean we are already on chapter 30 and still have so many question yet to answer or lose ends be tied. 

One other thing that interested me in this flashback is the tie back to s3 flashback within the same time frame. Towards the end of this chapter Jung practice saying/calling "Seol-ah" and has a bunch of different smiles and reactions each time he does it. I have seen many readers interpret it as creepy, Hannibal like, or Jung wanting to covet Seol or something kind of sinister-ish. I guess it could be that. But I found those reactions a bit extreme and also kind of amusing. When I read that it reminded me of you know when you get a crush on someone and you start to practice or imagine all the conversations you'll have and the things you'll do. Jung in that moment had just pieced it together that Seol is not the big bad evil girl who wants to snatch his cookie that he doesn't want to share. She's actually this not so bad girl, that he would like to share his cookies with, and maybe one day she would even let him play with her doll (sans head ripping *wink wink* and yes Jung is kind of like a child to me. He really is a bit of a man child in how he thinks and behaves and his need to want and have and receive something genuine that is all his own, and especially his that no one can take. He just wants a place that he will belong and always belong, but I'm getting off point..). However Seol and Jung in that time frame had never had a conversation or encounter where there wasn't fought nerves or some kind of hostility between the two. Even when Jung (and Seol) want to talk nice and friendly with one another, and have every intention of doing so. Their words or actions always somehow come out harsh or mean or misunderstood and one of them walks away hurt or pissed or fuming.

With that in mind, I saw all his "Seol-ah" as Jung practicing "how to be nice to Seol and talk to her in a way that does not have her turning in anger or embarrassment or hurt pride, aka how not to be a robot toddler a-hole" and his smiling at his imagined success and being of the kind of new relationship he wants with her. The "Seol-ah" is not the first time Jung has done this. In the season 3 (I can't remember which chapter) flashback of Jung, Seol and the rest of the class preparing for the festival. Jung accidentally has Seol work alone to pick up boxes he had believed was light but only later found out that they were actually heavy (he was given the wrong info by someone). Anyway Seol had thought Jung had given her the task on purpose and Jung until he found out the mistake though Seol was being lazy or dramatic or something with all her huffing and puffing. Seol in that flashback had actually imagined the many ways she was going to at first kindly approach Jung and actually have a civilized conversation with him, and then I believe she imagines the many ways she would tell him off. In the same vein, when discovers the truth of his error, he too thinks up and imagines the different ways he can kindly approach Seol and have a civilized conversation and be of help and apologize and start something different from their established was (Jung himself was aware he could he sometimes childish and harsh with Seol but he didn't know why and he just couldn't help himself. See toddler like). Off course the two's imagined conversations and friendliness does not pan out. I found this current "Seol-ah" and those imagined niceness to be the same. People trying to discover how to beginning something different from what they've had. And smiling/giddy about what could be. 

Now though because of @brielover I have to re-read when Jung got Seol the job...I don't think that had been in his plans from the get go. I don't think Jung really had anything planned or laid out in terms of Seol other than "get close to her". Like he doesn't have this manipulated game plan of how to make Seol his and he's following steps. Jung is very simple. In that he wants to get closer to Seol. Get to know her, he know him. Become a something to her. Jung is going to do what is in his power to do, in order to do that. Jung got to know her and her problems Jung did want to help her as a way of getting closer to her and having he see him in a different light. He does genuinely want to help Seol with her problems. Unfortunately for Jung how he's been taught to resolve problems always has something to do with using people and having those you are helping indebted to you, i.e everything his father has ever taught him but especially him bringing in the Baek siblings and why.

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1 hour ago, MrsSoJiSub said:

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If we are going with Snooki's biblical last supper (which could mean nothing at all LOL) could the whole Jung trying to touch Seol be some kind of reference to Michelangelo's 'The Creation of Adam'? I'm not going to go into art history here but that painting in the Sistine Chapel ceiling is to show God giving the spark of life, humanity into Adam. Many also say that the similar outstretched arms of God and Adam shows that man is created in the likeliness and image of God. We, they, it (I don't want to get religious) are the same and equal. However the two finger don't touch. They are stretched toward each other but they don't touch. Meaning God and Adam (humanity), the giver and the taker are not the same. They are not on the same level. How does this fall into CiTT, Jung, and this chapter. Well Jung's whole thing has been that he and Seol are alike. In this chapter and these flashbacks is when he puts his observations and mixed feelings and why do I always find myself noticing/attracted to this girl. Why do the things she does that others that do not bother me, bother me? Why does she get to me? Together and comes to the conclusion that he and Seol are alike. Seol is like him. She Seol can understand him Yoo Jung. Him Yoo Jung who his whole life has felt like an outsider even in his own home, strange, weird, he doesn't really fit in. He fits in as he knows how to fake the smiles, keep the conversation, give into what he knows others desire or want to hear, kind of blend in and be there, but not really there, has found someone who is like him in that respect (and from Jung's encounters with Seol and what I myself have seen and read, the two are similar in that regard) in Seol.

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Now though because of @brielover I have to re-read when Jung got Seol the job...I don't think that had been in his plans from the get go. I don't think Jung really had anything planned or laid out in terms of Seol other than "get close to her". Like he doesn't have this manipulated game plan of how to make Seol his and he's following steps. Jung is very simple. In that he wants to get closer to Seol. Get to know her, he know him. Become a something to her. Jung is going to do what is in his power to do, in order to do that. Jung got to know her and her problems Jung did want to help her as a way of getting closer to her and having he see him in a different light. He does genuinely want to help Seol with her problems. Unfortunately for Jung how he's been taught to resolve problems always has something to do with using people and having those you are helping indebted to you, i.e everything his father has ever taught him but especially him bringing in the Baek siblings and why.

Ohohoho, @MrsSoJiSub, didn't I say I often thought like you?  I posted over on the CiTT forum earlier that that scene with the outstretched finger reminded me exactly of "The Creation of Adam" and was this Jung seeing Seol as "made in His own image"?  I'm not sure if that was the intention but it seems you and I both thought of it independently so there might be something there.  The finger stretch takes place over three whole panels so it was definitely highlighted.  My own thoughts on empathy are that it was absolutely essential that he saw himself in Seol or he would never have begun to empathize with her in the first place.  But I love how he reacts to this breakthrough by strategizing.  Meals, homework together.  If it didn't occur immediately it does soon after re the school job when he remembers she's looking for a job, and then of course giving up the scholarship, all so he can get closer to her.  Timewise, it's end of term, so summer term is about to start and Seol finds out she got the job right at the beginning of the summer term, just after she finds out about the scholarship.  I don't find the Seol-ah creepy at all, though there is a sense that he's claiming her in that scene.  I just find Yoo Jung as a creation fascinating.

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for those of you who ordered the PHJ anniversary dvd from the cheeseinthe.com site, did you receive anything yet?  i can't log in.  all i have is an order # and the paypal transaction . . . 

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8 hours ago, chrianna said:

for those of you who ordered the PHJ anniversary dvd from the cheeseinthe.com site, did you receive anything yet?  i can't log in.  all i have is an order # and the paypal transaction . . . 

Just heard from @sashalove that international deliveries should be starting in two weeks' time! Don't know the source of the news though,

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8 hours ago, bluesky2323 said:

Just heard from @sashalove that international deliveries should be starting in two weeks' time! Don't know the source of the news though,

thank you! at least i know i'm not left in the dust . . . yet . . . 

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" I'm not sure of the exact meaning here of these words "When I see you (looking at Seol)...Even though the complicated things on the inside barely make me jump.. Somehow those things that i might get because of you. Maybe it can subside down through you again..at one point, that kind of ending come to us so.." Is he saying that though he rarely feels things (complicated things on the inside), he might be able to feel them ("get them") because of Seol? But that those feelings will leave him again ("subside") when things end between him and Seol? (shades of his relationship with Inho and Inha?). Thanks so much for the translation! I think that scrap of paper with the phone number was torn from that job posting we saw earlier. So he figures out she's looking for a job, and that must be what motivates Jung to find her one where he can be near her. Poor AP Heo, the scholarship and the job. That Jung - even as he's realizing his "weird" feelings, he's setting his line of attack up. " GOSH WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS FORUM LAYOUT.. IT'S MESSED UP IN MINE AGAIN T_T Anyway @brielover (idk if this reaches you or not)...that part is actually translated by a friend of mine..cuz I can't quite understand or grasp whatever he meant in that part and the subsquent sentences (until the "I arrive to this conclusion"). Actually I tried hard to make sense of his train of thoughts in this chapter (why is he so diffcult gdi LOL). Here is another translation http://41.media.tumblr.com/3735bd64afdd9c70a207d567af6d3258/tumblr_o4xecmMAVf1vpyf0bo10_1280.png (from http://letskeepitsimple4once.tumblr.com/) So I just take it as she stirs something inside him that nobody ever has (at first I thought it refers to how she somehow "provokes" him..that she is capable to annoy him just through her existence..that somehow he is afraid she might provoke him.. things he admitted to her in his apartment scene-season 3)..as for the "subside" I think it refers to how she manages to calm him down.. "that ending come to us" I think more like "the state they are currently in" or "what state they are becoming"..because after that he kinda wonders "why" "what's happening" and he wanted to make sure (thus, he came to the infirmary) As for the job thingy, he might notice she needed one, but he didn't do anything until the SUMMER time when they were already friends. This current flashback timeline happened during AUTUMN (see the leaves and their clothes?). I think he started being nice to her at the semester after this semester: SPRING semester (I write down the timeline before..somewhere in this thread). I guess after the realization happened in this chapter, he overheard she wanted to take a break then decided to let go of his scholarship (maybe both to get close to her and he remembered she needed a job+scholarship.. he also overheard her phone convo with her mom right? So I think he was more or less aware of her situation--though he didn't care before). Then he tried to befriend her for real during the spring...until he finally confessed in Summer.

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3 hours ago, luvcrabbieshinhwa said:

" I'm not sure of the exact meaning here of these words "When I see you (looking at Seol)...Even though the complicated things on the inside barely make me jump.. Somehow those things that i might get because of you. Maybe it can subside down through you again..at one point, that kind of ending come to us so.." Is he saying that though he rarely feels things (complicated things on the inside), he might be able to feel them ("get them") because of Seol? But that those feelings will leave him again ("subside") when things end between him and Seol? (shades of his relationship with Inho and Inha?). Thanks so much for the translation!

I think that scrap of paper with the phone number was torn from that job posting we saw earlier. So he figures out she's looking for a job, and that must be what motivates Jung to find her one where he can be near her. Poor AP Heo, the scholarship and the job. That Jung - even as he's realizing his "weird" feelings, he's setting his line of attack up. " GOSH WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS FORUM LAYOUT.. IT'S MESSED UP IN MINE AGAIN T_T

Anyway @brielover (idk if this reaches you or not)...that part is actually translated by a friend of mine..cuz I can't quite understand or grasp whatever he meant in that part and the subsquent sentences (until the "I arrive to this conclusion"). Actually I tried hard to make sense of his train of thoughts in this chapter (why is he so diffcult gdi LOL).

Here is another translation http://41.media.tumblr.com/3735bd64afdd9c70a207d567af6d3258/tumblr_o4xecmMAVf1vpyf0bo10_1280.png (from http://letskeepitsimple4once.tumblr.com/) So I just take it as she stirs something inside him that nobody ever has (at first I thought it refers to how she somehow "provokes" him..that she is capable to annoy him just through her existence..that somehow he is afraid she might provoke him.. things he admitted to her in his apartment scene-season 3)..as for the "subside" I think it refers to how she manages to calm him down.. "that ending come to us" I think more like "the state they are currently in" or "what state they are becoming"..because after that he kinda wonders "why" "what's happening" and he wanted to make sure (thus, he came to the infirmary) As for the job thingy, he might notice she needed one, but he didn't do anything until the SUMMER time when they were already friends. This current flashback timeline happened during AUTUMN (see the leaves and their clothes?). I think he started being nice to her at the semester after this semester: SPRING semester (I write down the timeline before..somewhere in this thread). I guess after the realization happened in this chapter, he overheard she wanted to take a break then decided to let go of his scholarship (maybe both to get close to her and he remembered she needed a job+scholarship.. he also overheard her phone convo with her mom right? So I think he was more or less aware of her situation--though he didn't care before). Then he tried to befriend her for real during the spring...until he finally confessed in Summer.

@brielover Tagging you on behalf of @luvcrabbieshinhwa who is facing technical problems on Soompi

Found this tumblr user who is fan-subbing random chapters of s4 and s3 yesterday: http://letskeepitsimple4once.tumblr.com/archive

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and we need your help.

 

We'll be straight with you. Although our team currently ranks #6 overall, we still run a real risk of not getting through if there's a surge of votes for other teams like

what happened in the last round of voting (see below for past voting results): 

 

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R O U N D - 2 - R E S U L T S

The moment you've all been waiting for, shippers! The results of the voting for round two, the fanarts! With over 25,000 votes (more than the first round!), here are the results, ranking from first place to last place.

1. Kim Jung Hwan & Sung Deok Sun (Gaeddeok Couple)
2. Kwak Si Yang & Kim So Yeon (SiSo Couple)
3. Park Bo Gum & Hyeri (SunTaek Couple)
4. Lee Jong Hyun & Gong Seung Yeon (GongLee Couple)
5. Ryu Jun Yeol & Park Bo Gum (YeolGum Couple)
6. Kim Jong Kook & Song Ji Hyo (Spartace Couple)
7. Hong Seol & Yoo Jung (Cheesy Couple)
8. Jang Wooyoung & Park Se Young (YY Couple)
9. Ji Chang Wook & Park Min Young (ChangMin Couple)
10. Oh Min Suk & Kang Ye Won (OhYe Couple)

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Keeping in mind that Round Two was an elimination round, here is the overall rank of each couple, with tallied votes from both Round One and Round Two, from first place to last place:

1. Kim Jung Hwan & Sung Deok Sun (Gaeddeok Couple) [2,975 + 7,874 = 10,849]
2. Kwak Si Yang & Kim So Yeon (SiSo Couple) [4,799 + 4,821 = 9,620]
3. Park Bo Gum & Lee Hyeri (SunTaek Couple) [4,169 + 4,528 = 8,697]
4. Lee Jong Hyun & Gong Seung Yeon (GongLee Couple) [4,287 + 2,085 = 6,372]
5. Kim Jong Kook & Song Ji Hyo (Spartace Couple) [3,317 + 1,319 = 4,636]
6. Hong Seol & Yoo Jung (Cheesy Couple) [1,480 + 1,267 = 2,747]
7. Jang Wooyoung & Park Se Young (YY Couple) [1,096 + 1,084 = 2,180]
8. Ryu Jun Yeol & Park Bo Gum (YeolGum Couple) [409 + 1,470 = 1,879]
9. Ji Chang Wook & Park Min Young (ChangMin Couple) [1,183 + 616 = 1,799]
10. Oh Min Suk & Kang Ye Won (OhYe Couple) [719 + 295 = 1,014]

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Back from holidays and got tagged re: Cheese in the Trap movie while I was away. :D

So there's talk about a movie... It could be good, disastrous or indifferent. ;)

For me it all depends on what this movie's going to be about. In principle, I like the idea -- especially if it offers a bit more background on Jung and explores in greater depth his relationships with his father, Ju Yeong and the Baek siblings. I'd also like to see a lot more of Jung's inner life prior to his dating Seol. 

It's a pity that we'll never see what Jung got up to during the 3 year time jump. To me the greatest issue with the ending is not the open-endedness but a lack of continuity with the rest of the drama... it just didn't really reflect the spirit of what Cheese is all about or at least what the earlier episodes were trying to do. And there was no payoff either for the wait... just a bitter coda.

In general I thought the Nodame movies were a decent accompaniment to the drama and so I'm someone who thinks that a movie (or 2) in the right hands could be the kind of closure that fans need.

Of course getting an extended edition DVD with all the deleted scenes would be the ideal scenario. ;)

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My understanding of CitT timeline as how it relates to the current flashback with Jung:

The current flashback is Jung realizing his feelings for Seol aren't hate. I don't think he likes Seol yet here. I just think Jung has come to understand that what he feels when Seol's around is not hate or annoyance like he wanted it to be. I don't think Jung -or me LOL- understands everything but I think here is the beginning of Jung trying to find answers and some thing of himself and who he is -Am I strange?- through Seol. I've always felt Jung wants to view himself as normal not weird, strange, bad, or in the wrong. I think a part of himself knows and fears something is off about himself but he doesn't want that to be true. In his relationship with Seol he's been look for answers and conformation of something in himself through his relationship, nah more really through Seol. Jung wants to believe he's normal. He wants Seol to believe this also which is why he works so hard to keep his past and all its abnormalities from her. That is why Jung tries to keep Seol from the Baeks, his childhood friend Jung Yoo (TA Heos boyfriend), that high school dude who is Seol's friend's boyfriend, etc etc. it's also why he never wants to speak deeply on the things he does (Minsoo, Younggon, TA Heo) because Seol may judge them strange or weird, therefore he Jung is strange or weird, and someone she cannot stay/be with. 

To me with Jung there is that fear of Seol leaving him, which would break him (as did the Baeks fall out) but there is also the fear of who he really is, that self realization (am I weird/strange? Is it me and the way I do things or is it the others). To me those two issues go hand in hand . Jung fears his real self is strange or weird which in turn is unloveable and someone that will be left/abandoned. Everyone who has ever viewed Jung as strange or weird in Jung's opinion has left him or not been able to love him because of who he is. His mother flees to America and forge in countries, his father gives the type of love and relationship to the normal (and therefore more lovable) Inho and in someways Inha, and Inho when he saw who he was (Inho confronted Jung as weird and strange in one of them flashbacks) betrayed him ("stole his fathers love) and then left. 

These fears are kind of like self fulfilling prophecies to me. Jung believes Seol doesn't understand him. Because Seol doesn't understand him Jung still hides things from her and is not fully honest with her because he feels that if he is, Seol will not understand him (aka your weird/strange) and leave him. The thing is, Seol kind of knows and doesn't care that Jung is how he is. I mean she cares but she accepts him and is a little less blind of the who he is and who I thought he was/wanted him to be. The dishonesty and having to find things out from others is the issue/is what brings the issues. In trying to prevent his relationship from going up in flames. Jung is carrying the matches and lighter fluid if you will. Another thing is after the fight with Inho and reviving comfort from Seol. Inho's words of him Jung being bad for Seol, and the biggest danger to Seol, still rings in Jung's ears. Yoo Jung's biggest fear is himself.

The current flashback in the current chapter is taking us closer to the beginning of the webtoon (I am loving the full circle back to the beginning end. We are working towards the end in the present while being given more insight and getting back to the beginning in the flashbacks) but we are not there yet. In the latest flashback we are still in the school festival preparations, but the festival hadn't happened yet. This means the school semester hasn't ended yet, summer break hasn't taken take place, and the new Fall semester has yet to begin. The middle of a new Fall semester  is where the webtoon begins. Where as the drama begins the first week of the Fall semester (seeing as we watch the students still be able to register for classes). 

With this in mind  @brielover again I don't think Jung set any plans in motion of trying to get closer to Seol at that time other than doing things he does with everyone (eating together, helping with homework) but had never done with her. I don't think had in mind at that point to do things such as lose his scholarship or get Seol the job. For one I think we have more flashbacks of that time line to come, hopefully (the festival its self. Summer break). Another thing is that although Jung has these realizations and has some kind of resolve to get closer to Seol, he does nothing for some time. 

Unless I am understanding the webtoon time line wrong, we open CitT in the middle ish of Fall semester of year 2. At this time, although we now know Jung wanted to like Seol he hasn't done anything or enough of something to show Seol this. Why do I think that? When the webtoon opens Seol wants to take time off school again. She lists two reasons for that. 1.) No matter how hard she works or tries Jung comes out as better and is number one the department while she is number two. He'll be getting the scholarship she needs to stay in school. 2.) All the stuff that Jung did to Seol (and really Seol did to her self in some instances) still has Seol shook.  I don't know if Jung was still making her uncomfortable then, but Seol still had memories and scars from year 1 that still made her glittery around Jung and not want to be in school. That drunk night Seol declares she's quitting school, Bora assumes it's because of a scholarship. Jung happens to be is in the same bar with friends but is sitting too far to hear about the scholarship things. 

If my timeline of webtoon understanding is right Jung most likely heard/overheard about Seol's need of a scholarship that night from Bora (who can e loud and talkative when drunk/tipsy). At the same time that the trio were leaving so we're Jung and his friends. Jung invited them for more drinks and food with him and his crew. Seol declined whole Bora and Euntaek agreed. The next day (or a day or so later, Jung's paper gets lost and Seol can stay in school. After this incident is when Jung starts being nice to Seol asking to eat together and such. Jung also doesn't find out about Seol needing a job nor arranging one for her, until around the end of the semester near break time when they had become friendish and Seol lets Jung know of this. I also don't feel bad for TA Heo because he was planning to do what Jung did. TA Heo was going to use his power to give the job to his alcoholic (dude drinks a lot) unemployed boyfriend.with the scholarship and job, he and Jung became even for the  Jung's credit card stealing and running up a bill to provide for said boyfriend. 

From my understanding Jung seeing the slip of paper doesn't mean he knows anything and is setting motion many a things. Jung to me is more of an opportunist who takes advantage of moments and situations that fall into his lap. He doesn't plan and deal things in motion, he takes your moments and makes them opportune. What I am curious about is why Jung waits on showing Seol that his feelings for her had changed? Or did he wait? I need more flashbacks because I can't piece when exactly he overheard that one conversation Seol had with someone about money/scholarship/always having to sacrifice...

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After watching Whatever Happens to My Family, I think that SKJ's role in WHTMF was somewhat translated into his In Ho role in Cheese in the Trap. His name in WHTMF is Eun Ho. His role as competing with his friend for the girl was very much akin in both dramas. Also, his role in WHTMF is similar to the former crowned-prince in Goong.

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10 hours ago, bukk1 said:

After watching Whatever Happens to My Family, I think that SKJ's role in WHTMF was somewhat translated into his In Ho role in Cheese in the Trap. His name in WHTMF is Eun Ho. His role as competing with his friend for the girl was very much akin in both dramas. Also, his role in WHTMF is similar to the former crowned-prince in Goong.

 

Sadly @bukk1, I watched that drama and forgot that SKJ was in it. His character didn't stand out to me ---probably because he remained in his place, but didn't really bring his character to life either. I can say he brought In Ho to life, but I found In Ho in this drama very irritating. 

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 I remembered SKG in Single Cunning Lady--only because I wondered why he was in the role and not someone a little older. The role didn't fit him to me as a possible love interest (thankfully, she wasn't interested).  He came across as a young 'kid' trying to date an older woman. The Strange Housekeeper (Suspicious Housekeeper) I vaguely recall him as the guy who liked the daughter(?)--I wasn't that thrilled with the drama over all so I don't recall much about it. I liked the original Japanese version better.

Because his characters never stood out in the other dramas that he appeared (cute, but not memorable), that's why the decision was probably made to make his character stand out in this drama. Giving him parts of the lead's character (the scenes that basically re-wrote the writer's original work that belonged to Jung) and pushed him to the forefront. Nothing in this drama happened by accident. It was all planned--probably from the very beginning. I can also truly step back and say it wasn't the PD acting alone....she's probably the fall guy for those much higher than herself.

 

There is a certain appeal about Cheese in Trap that I've never seen in another drama. The producers of this drama were on to something good and very special until it went off the rails and I'm not talking about the open ending. A lot of people are upset about the ending, but if some of them step back (like I had to) they will realize that it's because of the lack of development for so many episodes that most of us were looking for the last two episodes to fix the past 6 or 7 episodes and they didn't. It just continued the hodgepodge storytelling and lack of character development of the previous episodes and continued to dump on Jung as if he was the bad guy when actually everyone else were the ones that had the problem in my opinion--they lied, cheated, stole from others, bullied others, stalked people, mistreated others, etc. When SC was given the role to call out Jung's behavior as wrong, like he was so much better--I rolled my eyes because that's when I realized the drama writers had truly lost it. More than that, I think so much rewriting was done during filming that they made a mess of the overall theme and message because they had forgotten what was said and done  (I still think it shows clearly with Seol calling out Jung for a second time about YG when that had been discuss already and acknowledged by SC that it just wasn't Jung that encouraged YG). There is NO WAY SC should have been giving advice to anyone but himself.  Jung was the only sane person in this drama to me---everyone else was crazy.

I will say that another character that stayed in his place but was so well acted that he stood out to me and I would love to see the actor in another drama was Ji Yoon Ho as Young Gon. A character that I loved to hate......so well acted in this role.

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@lclarakl :"Nothing in this drama happened by accident. It was all planned--probably form the very beginning. I can also truly step back and say it wasn't the PD acting alone....she's probably the fall guy for those much higher than herself."

I agree with you. Wasn't there a romantically intended scene in the rain where Seol and Inho chased each other playfully to be the first in the store early in the first better half of the drama? Don't recall that in the webtoon, so I think this was a sign the PD was going to implement the love triangle (*yawn*) in the drama from the start. Maybe this was the PDs way to comply with the authors wish for an alternate ending from the beginning and this was the build-up? And we all know how it worked out (not!).

Anyway, I am glad I watched the drama first before discovering the webtoon. Wouldn't be able to enjoy the drama up till the last few episodes otherwise lol (and writing this now while listening to the amazing OST), but irritated the whole time. The development of our main characters was on high speed in the drama (beginning), it had to due to the short length of only 16 episodes (and also considering the few scenes they had together in the second half of the drama). So reading the webtoon afterwards does fill up the many 'why's' left about our OTP and adding a lot more insight in understanding Jung and Seol, which is great cos it feels like the story hasnt ended yet ^^. I think Jung didnt know how to love someone from the start, though he did put some effort in pursuing Seol (for the first time!) and finally asks her to date him. He probably did that because he felt threatened/competition from Inho (though he might not realize that himself). Cos he hasnt really changed at that point, he just treated Seol and helped her by doing favors for her (as he has been taught to treat others well). He felt provoked by her, he kept thinking about her and wanted to know more about her. But there was not the excitment of being in love after acknowledging each other as girlfriend/boyfriend one usually has when you r really in love with someone, especially in the beginning of a relationship (like waiting for the other one to contact, dont want to come over as a needy/clingy person, but still wanting to see each other all the time as much as possible, how should I act when we see each other etc) Only Seol was feeling those at their beginning, while Jung obviously not lol. I was so surprised when Seol was all nervous how and what message she should send him after they agreed to date and after a short reply Jung just threw away his phone to continue playing games (after practically ignoring her at school). I was like 'what the??, did he really had other intention to pursue her like what Inho said before?' Then later on he also started to wait for her call/reply (development!) and I was relieved like 'o he is just not used to it, the guy just dont know how to date hahaha'. (And afterwards I read in the webtoon he tells Seol at the sleepover he hasn't really dated before since in his former 'relationships' it was always the girl who confessed to him after which he just agreed/accepted. So it was nice to realize how they worked that out in the drama in this subtile way). Even when they had the argument after dating for a while, when he decides to delete her messages it cross my mind he still doesnt really love Seol cos he just doesnt know how to and was at the state of erasing her out of his phone/life. And then he is happy as a puppy when she sends him a message to meet. He was still easily provoked by her and he was still in his fase of discovering/observing Seol I think. This remains the same for a while (I mean what boyfriend would not come running to his girlfriend when he hears she is at the police station for no matter what business she is there at, but just continues his fitness practice?! Come on Jung lol). Overall it was nice to watch how Jung gradually grows from observing/attracted by her to really genuinely care for her and finally concludes he should be doing something more to love her/him realizing how should I start to love her (ok the ending could have been executed waaaay better than it did, but then I hope the webtoon will provide that ^^as the author intended). And man, Jung surely knows how to hug someone *swoon* and so well done by PHJ <3 Now reading the latest chapters of the webtoon, love love love the CITT prequel lol The author should not have worried by giving the end away the no of readers would diminish, I would read her webtoon anyway love all the JungSeol flashbacks^^

@lclarakl:"Jung was the only sane person in this drama to me---everyone else was crazy. " This remark! lmaorotf

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@KSHCJW, I truly enjoyed reading your post. In the first few episodes I agree it was hard to figure out what Jung really felt for Seol. Was he offering to date her because of In Ho or was it because he truly liked her. I finally decided it was because he truly liked her. That's why he gave up the scholarship so that she could return to college.  Jung reminded me of this first grader when I was in kindergarten.  He would always hit me when I would get on the school bus. I tried to avoid sitting anywhere near him, but he would always be there.  However, there was also another first grader, his friend, that would hit him back for me and tell him to leave me alone.  I was so happy when we moved into a new subdivision and I no longer had to ride the school bus because the elementary school now was across the street from my house so I could walk to school. I can't tell you my horror when my oldest brother who was in the 5th grade came home with one of his school friends and his friends younger brother---my first grade tormentor. Well it worked out for the best because we all became friends since his family also moved into our subdivision.  However, it wasn't until I was in the 7th grade that my now 8th grade friend/once tormentor told me that the only reason he used to "pick" at me on the bus was because he always liked me and wanted to get my attention. I was floored. I truly dreaded getting on the bus and going to school because of a boy who liked me by hitting me or pulling my hair?  Jung reminds me of my friend--immature in the face of adult love and not knowing exactly how to act. 

However, it was still hard to get a gauge on Jung's real feelings because the writing is a little off to me.  Despite some of the confusing scenes and timelines, I too really enjoyed the first 7 episodes. I can truly say though, that I called out the In Ho scenes from the very beginning--prior to the running in the rain scene.  From years of reading romance novels and watching K, J, C, T-dramas, I can tell when a writer is trying to build a romantic love line. The fact that Seol didn't really enjoy her date with Jung--not even the movie, but then was later running and laughing with In Ho in the rain as they ate a meal together after her date said it all.  That's why a lot of the audience couldn't support Jung and Seol as a couple--they saw In Ho as more of a romantic interest.  That was all very intentional.

Again, I enjoyed reading your post!!

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