[Drama 2015] Answer Me 1988 응답하라 1988

[athie_aza]

Hi there! Its my first time comment here. I always thought maybe taek step back and leave ssangmundong like u know the one who came last always go first and then time will jump and they reunite on 1994.

Always on junghwan team but believe that taek is the husband. God! i start to believe what im not believed

Sorry for my bad english or my bad keyboard.

[lia2010]

23 hours ago, sheza said:

I don't know.  They may not separate.  As in, the families may move off to different places but they may continue to see each other and meet up like good old friends.  The time skip could just be a narrative sequence.  
 

 

I think @Howlongwillthisfandomlast 's mother has a point. Even though Taek has an inkling that JH likes DS, Taek still asked her out.  But when he saw the photo in his wallet, he lost confidence.  I guess also seeing DS' reaction to JH when he gives her JH's wallet, since the eyes don't lie.  

To be honest, I felt that by ep 16, JH and DS was treating each other the same way they did before.  DS seems to be at ease with all the other guys but when it comes to JH, something always trigger a reaction.  Do you think she'd have cared if the other guys watch a porn video?  Interestingly, when DS knocked on the door, Taek put the wallet back and went about his business expecting it to be JH returning for his wallet but it was DS instead.  DS gave Taek food and place it besides the wallet and in return, Taek took the wallet and returned it to JH.  I can't help but see the significance of that scene.  JH left something precious (love) behind for Taek, DS came and gave Taek some food (friendship), but Taek sends the wallet (love) with DS back to JH.  Now, for the boys, the angst comes because they can't be sure who would have looked inside the wallet.  Even DS out of curiosity might have open the wallet.

 

 

It's not that I defense or prefer who to be the husband over who. I just want to comment that your theory on the wallet is kind of "weird" or kind of your" hallucination" (No offense). For that I could also interpret like this: JH left something precious (love) behind for Taek, DS came and gave Taek some food (love), Teak took it (love), and asked DS to send the wallet (love) back to JH. Imo DS will decide herself how to have her love and how to protect the precious friendship, not some boys just send her back and forth, like someone said DS isn't a trophy.

[blue_angel_1004]

Some fun facts while we wait two more weeks~~

"Kim Jung Hwan" is the real life name of Shin PD's sunbae producer at KBS back when Shin PD worked at KBS.  Kim Jung Hwan directed KBS teen dramas "Sharp" and "Jungle Fish."

Considering Dr. Kim Jae Joon (Trash's name) from "Answer Me 1994" was the name of a doctor who guested on "Qualifications of Men" back when Shin PD was the PD (and Shin PD later admitted that's where he got the name) could it be possible that one of the earlier speculations is correct that JH becomes a PD after all??

[Nikkaquarian]

4 minutes ago, blue_angel_1004 said:

Some fun facts while we wait two more weeks~~

"Kim Jung Hwan" is the real life name of Shin PD's sunbae producer at KBS back when Shin PD worked at KBS.  Kim Jun Hwan directed KBS teen dramas "Sharp" and "Jungle Fish."

Considering Dr. Kim Jae Joon (Trash's name) from "Answer Me 1994" was the name of a doctor who guested on "Qualifications of Men" back when Shin PD was the PD, could it be possible that one of the earlier speculations is correct that JH becomes a PD after all??

that's amazing! how about sung soo yeon or sung deok sun? if he does become a PD and she an actress with a sooyeon screename that would be even more amazing

[miss_p93]

writer nim pleas dont disappoinment #teamjunghwan 

[MrsSoJiSub]

3 hours ago, blue_angel_1004 said:

Some fun facts while we wait two more weeks~~

"Kim Jung Hwan" is the real life name of Shin PD's sunbae producer at KBS back when Shin PD worked at KBS.  Kim Jung Hwan directed KBS teen dramas "Sharp" and "Jungle Fish."

Considering Dr. Kim Jae Joon (Trash's name) from "Answer Me 1994" was the name of a doctor who guested on "Qualifications of Men" back when Shin PD was the PD (and Shin PD later admitted that's where he got the name) could it be possible that one of the earlier speculations is correct that JH becomes a PD after all??

Stop putting this idea out there LOL. The more you say it, the more I want to see it happen. That would be an interesting irony to life right. We know Dong Ryeong wants to be in the entertainment business but it's Junghwan who gets there just as it maybe Sunwoo who becomes the pilot (or engineer) and Dong Ryeong with his grades and Spanish German knowledge some how ends up the doctor 

[sheza]

2 hours ago, lia2010 said:

It's not that I defense or prefer who to be the husband over who. I just want to comment that your theory on the wallet is kind of "weird" or kind of your" hallucination" (No offense). For that I could also interpret like this: JH left something precious (love) behind for Taek, DS came and gave Taek some food (love), Teak took it (love), and asked DS to send the wallet (love) back to JH. Imo DS will decide herself how to have her love and how to protect the precious friendship, not some boys just send her back and forth, like someone said DS isn't a trophy.

Maybe it was my hallucination but the camera did stay on the table for a good few seconds, enough for me to try and guess what the PD is trying to show us. 

[sheza]

1 hour ago, Nikkaquarian said:

that's amazing! how about sung soo yeon or sung deok sun? if he does become a PD and she an actress with a sooyeon screename that would be even more amazing

That would explain the reason for the adult scenes?  

[honeywell]

If JH ends up being a entertainment PD, that would just be ironic considering how JH tends to have no reaction to his father's jokes.  DS would be fitting since her dad always love seeing her on TV.

[shooastrid]

Hey all! Another day passed, H-1 to Subs, and H-12 to Episode 17. Wooohoo. At this point I am broken hearted for Taek as much as JH. I mean, yes, Taek's decision to hold back is very sad, but I can't imagine how it is for JH to realize that the decision is triggered by Taek's realization of JH's feelings. Being a softie he is, I bet he's shocked and hurt as well. Umiii umiiii, I want to hug them both hard. I blame AM 1988 for my crazy Boxing Day shopping Need it to occupy my mind while waiting for subs. 

I have several observations on Episode 1 -16, Baduk related, (surprise surprise) that I want to share with you. I posted it in the Shipper's Paradise before, but I am adding more points this time.

As we know, baduk holds quite an important role in AM 1988, not only as character background for Choi Taek,  but also part of the philosophical narrative in general. How can we tell? Instead of being treated as mere props or casual setting, baduk is depicted in EACH AND EVERY EPISODE in one way or another. Example: (1). Even when Taek is not around, his match, his absence, his profile are often mentioned by people around him, in TV news and newspaper articles. (2). Taek room's setting has many baduk related stuff: Baduk board, old KIFUs (match records) on the wall, articles of baduk players. Even when Taek is not around, as the gang uses his room as basecamp, baduk is present on screen. (3). Two episodes minimum with plenty of screen time are dedicated for Taek's important match : a match of 5 games consecutively, and DS's first trip to China match. (4). Countless scenes at Baduk Club and various baduk match scenes. (5). Heck, even at DS's living room, that vase trophy is always present too since episode 11 onwards. 

Knowing how PD and writer of AM series are usually very meticulous and into details, I don't think the on going depiction of baduk just happened by accident. Therefore I believe that Baduk holds important role in the narrative which symbolize the overall tone and character's philosophy, especially Taek. DS's dad said in episode 2: "... Geez, you see... elements of the real world are a part of baduk."

I believe that the writer is aware of BADUK's philosophies and many baduk related concepts and she deliberately uses it as a connecting metaphor to the show's tone especially Taek's characterization. Here are my observations on that (I keep it under spoiler to avoid too long post):

Spoiler

 

1. In baduk, there are concepts like "sente" and "gote", and there is TENUKI as well. You probably think WTH? Lol. Let me try to explain. Sente is a move that leaves the opponent with overwhelming needs to follow up (moves that force opponent to answer), while Gote is the follow up move, when you are forced to answer and losing initiative. On the other hand, Tenuki means: ignore and play elsewhere (on the board). Now let's not think of it as a straight to the point approach/ interpretation of the plot, since love is not really a game/ match, but in general tone. I believe that the moment Taek realizing JH's feelings, it is a Gote for him: he should answer. As a competitive human being as observed by DR, it's impossible that Taek does not see the "threat" imposed by JH's feelings to his own idea of future with DS. The correct "answer" is to do the big move: cinema date and confession.

Now now, if there is one thing that I learn from go is being able to read real life situation from higher perspective. When I just started playing, I often got caught in local battle, trapped in my impatience and desire to kill, without understanding of the game as a whole. My interpretation for Taek's decision is that HE SEES THE BIGGER VIEW OF THE SITUATION. Tenuki is ultimately, his choice of move, understanding that he will be at a greater loss for pushing on with his agenda at his best friend's expense. He stepped back a bit and looked at larger picture and finally decided to let go of his desire to be with DS. In Go, as I mentioned in my previous post, A FIGHT FOR TERRITORY WITHOUT NECESSITY TO DESTROY THE OPPONENT is the most striking character of Baduk. Taek probably saw that his last "move" as inevitable, since for him, "family", "friendship" are the larger picture, as we seen from his kind, observant, and loving approaches towards his family and friends. A good play is better than winning the play itself. I will touch on this subject later.

2. In Baduk, there are established sequences called "Joseki". The sequences are seen to give optimal result for each player for it's familiarity and take and give. There are couple of Joseki concepts in the show. For example, JH's approaches to DS are like familiar Joseki, in the form of silent attempts to protect and love her. I find it heartbreakingly familiar, as an awkward kid he is, who keeps his feelings bottled up inside, prickly on the outside, and soft on the inside. As for Taek, his interactions with his inner circle who loves to baby him felt all too familiar and normal. All parties gained some sort of content feeling out of it. We can see these kind relationship as well in each family, the most prominent in JH's family, where dad always acts as the goofy ball, the mascot of family, and mom is the bad cop who love to yell and nag. Now what I would like to see more in regards of the love line is the leads coming out of their comfort zone, the all too familiar Joseki to the more unfamiliar territory. We started to see this with DS's new realization of her dream and aspiration. Her conversation with DR also brought inspiration for her to understand that her heart is the one that matters the most.

I would like to see JH break his Joseki, and for once able to voice out his desire despite the fear of hurting others. Now, that Taek retreats, it's now his call.

3. There are people who question, if Taek is the husband, then why is he confirmed as late as Episode 6? I have my own interpretation for this: In Baduk, a match of unequal strength will be addressed in order to balance the power. A stronger player usually gives some amount of handicap to the weaker by letting them putting stones ahead. The number of stones are varied usually depends on the skill gap. For example, a 6 Dan player can give 5 stones to 1 Kyu level. Handicap system is unique and there is no equivalent for it in other games. The aim is to LET TWO PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT STRENGTH PLAY A GAME WITH EQUAL CHANCES TO WIN. The stronger one bears a burden not to show his superiority but to strain his powers and use all his skills. In short, he has to do his best to defeat his competitor. I can't give an example of a board game which the stronger player has to give so much in the beginning in order to win. Now, we all agree that the writer does not treat baduk lightly, as a mere additional prop/setting, seeing the amount of scenes about baduk and Taek's baduk portrayed in the series. Given the normal Kdrama trope which usually introduces all main leads and their character structures/roles in the plot as early as episode 1, I think Taek's gradual revelation is really unusual. He wasn't confirmed as the husband contender until episode 6. He has been given very limited screen time in the beginning, and his arc is mainly apart but parallel with the rest of cast. Seeing how the episodes fold out now, I think Taek is serving the role of one with upper hand, the stronger one. That's why to give JH equal chance to play, the writer decides to give that first 6 episodes to build a solid base for JH + DS storyline. It's as if Taek the baduk master gives 6 stones handicap to his opponent, and only on the 7th stones, white starts his play.

Now, before you throw rocks at me for being biased, this doesn't mean that I am 100% sure that Taek is the husband, as anything can happen. As much as I'm firmly holding to Taek's ship, I understand that JH and DS's narratives are strong too, with all cute details and chemistry. As far as I know, he can be the end game too. However, given the backstory narrated by DS about Taek's childhood, their unusual interaction and chemistry, as well as the strong bond, history and vibe together as described in the series.. If all these were revealed too early, then I believe no other husband contender could stand a chance. JH's hot alley scene could fall flat and shallow compared to Taek's arc. That's why, the way the writer and director plays with the order is very smart and just. As we can see now, how the ships are sailing from both sides.

4. Modern baduk has two more distinguishing features: a compensation of points (komi) for the white player: for example in chess, white player wins more often whereas black employs defensive techniques from the beginning. However in Baduk, compensation implies a fight from the beginning WITHOUT A FEELING OF LESS CHANCES TO WIN. Another thing, the komi makes a draw impossible. In Baduk there ate no draw tactics and each game has to be decided so players try their d*mn3st best to achieve favorable result. There is no clear depiction of secondary male lead character in this story. Why? It's because the writer gives them both fair chance to play. As one with upper hand (Taek's back story, his baduk arc, his depth and selfless interaction with the gang and the people in Sssangmundong, as well as his mutual understanding with DS and his love for her), Taek is restrained with the handicaps (see above points) but at the same time receives Komi points in the form of his peeled character layers. They both have equal chance, to be the husband. 

5. In baduk, a good and fair play is most important. It's better surrender than to play until the end, count on opponent's big mistake. A game we won having played well is the source of satisfaction. A victory secured to violating ethics is worth nothing. A person learning to play Baduk starts to need NOT ONLY victories but also good play, as baduk creates that need and it is a source of the need. Practicing Baduk induces not ideal human to behave ETHICALLY. So, it's up to DS now to decide. Besides, love is not a competition and DS is not a trophy to be won. This also what makes CB in AM 1994 fails: his failure in recognizing the depth of NJ's feelings to Oppa. (I am Team CB, but I acknowledge that he should have resigned earlier, knowing the end game).

 

All said aside, I must underline that the husband hunt is not the thing that I find most endearing from AM 1988. As already mentioned by many of you, it's the seemingly mundane, day to day life interactions that the characters have which makes the drama full of goodness. I can relate to those who are jealous or who want to live in such neighborhood. It's the familiarity, nostalgia, friendship, and familial love that makes me craving the most for future episodes. The things like:

(1) Bora and DS's tough love. I can relate more with Bora, as I am an older sister who is mostly pressured with all expectations of being first kid and setting up the bar high for my sister. All the make-up and clothing using without permission, physical fight, and sharing a room (and bed) for the longest part of my life. (2) Ahjumma's interactions and conversations which are familiar, seeing how mothers in my neighborhood usually gather in the morning by the local grocery seller gossiping just about anything. (3) Third grade angst reminds me of my own. We are unsure and full of doubt about the future as it seems so scary. If only I could give an advice to myself when I was seventeen, to take it easy, and stop stressing myself. Instead, working on each day slowly and savor it fully. (4) The family problems depicted in the series are sooo familiar, that I suspected the writer stole it from the story of my life. My dad is more like JH's dad, always the funny one, while my mom is like DS's and JH's moms combined. And then I realized that the show is more of a slice of life which has a lot of familiar reference to a normal family just like mine or yours. (5) I love that each and every character are given a chance to shine. The one that surprised me the most is JB's character. He's supposed to be this loser that every neighborhood seems to have. Yet we can't help but cherish him and appreciate him as a lovable, funny, and endearing character. I love it that we are given a chance to look for more in each of character. (6) Baduk's depiction which is more than I could have hoped for in Kdrama. It's amazing how the production team prepared into details all baduk related props/ reference. I just love it love it! This also means that baduk could get some boost for its popularity and gain some new followers too.

And:

(7) Taek's brilliant characterization is one of the finest in Kdrama history, in my opinion. He's so layered, different, yet felt so uniquely real. Some people may argue that how real a genius fictional character can be. Well we can also argue that every character is fictional no matter how familiar/usual their arc is compared to real life. This is not the base of my admiration towards Taek's character. It's the way this old trope of genius role is elevated to the level that I can "see" him walking, breathing, smoking in real life. Kudos to the writer, PD and the actor to be able to bring this character alive. 

I have 735728462820026 other reasons of why I love AM 1988, but I will not share it here as it will be too long.

Now, I would like to thank you for reading this post until the very end. Feel free to chip in your thoughts, or to ignore it altogether.  Since it's just ramble and nonsense. If I could add as well, I would love to hear what you love the most from AM 1988? Thanks all!!

[blue_angel_1004]

Shin Won Ho PD received a chemical engineering degree from Seoul University himself, before he applied and got accepted as a producer for the KBS variety department in 2001.

Shin PD's sunbae, Kim Jung Hwan, graduated from KAIST (Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology is regarded highly for their engineering department and their sciences department, and is a rival to Seoul University in those studies) in 1991. Kim Jung Hwan entered KBS as a variety department producer in 1995 and remained there until 2004. From 2004, he became a KBS PD for children and teen shows, at which point he directed teen dramas like "Sharp" and "Jungle Fish." (Go Ara said in an interview that she first ran into Shin PD at the KBS elevator when she was filming "Sharp" and he told her he was enjoying her drama.)

Shoot, I should stop! I'm becoming too convinced myself, when nothing's certain yet. 

By the way, I also read on DC  Gallery that Choi Taek is the name of Shin PD's real life childhood friend. I was reluctant to include this info here because I couldn't find the source of where this DC galler got this information from. I'm trying to look through Shin PD's past interviews to see if I can find anything!

[nearsea]

@shooastrid Patiently went through your baduk analysis.Seriously the game looks so difficult! Much more higher level than chess I guess.But your analysis is beyond amazing.It should be posted somewhere so that the writer sees it for real..I wonder if the writer himself has given this much thought on baduk as much as you have analyzed it.

[MrsSoJiSub]

About the pink shirt, I wasn't going to say anything because talking anything close to ships when comes to this franchise can be a chore but I feel a disservice is being done to Deok Sun's character (and in turn the writers) so here are my thoughts on that.

 

1. The pink shirt was very thoughtful on her part. The first time her always strapped for money family has money to spare she asks for cash (if you look at it her dad was only giving Noeul spending money and Deok Sun charms hers) not for herself. She doesn't want it to buy new shoes she desperately needs (them shoes been dead lol) or to eat dubaki, fish bread, or treat herself and her friends to a meal or snacks. She asks for it to do something for another.

 

2. She didn't have to get Junghwan a separate gift at all. The group had already pulled their resources (even if most of it was from Taek) and get him a soccer ball. That was enough. For Taek's birthday the group (mostly Junghwan's money) gets Taek a tape. That's it and no separate gift from her. The group didn't even bother to do something for Dong Ryeong nor Sunwoo's birthdays. The show is telling you something when they highlight the birthdays of the two boys in our "triangle" and show you the similarities and differences of how it all goes about and ends (Junghwan forgot his own birthday, Deok Sun was instant he have the party, and sweet Taekie stays for as much of the party as he can even though he has a competition). The fact that she (Deok Sun) even got him a gift is thoughtful. 

 

3. I'm not even sure if another friend suggested or picked out the gift (I thought Man Ok got my Bong the same one because he liked and wanted Junghwan's) but does that really matter. The thought and sentiment behind it is what counts. The fact that Deok Sun went to the store with friends, got their insights and suggestions on what would be a good meaningful gift that shows her feelings but not too meaningful, and probably gushed and giggled (similar to the Man Ok date informing scene) at giving him that perfect gift, his reaction, etc is thoughtful and meaningful. I can't even number the many times I've gone out with my girls and got their helping in choosing a gift for then boyfriends because I value their advice, it's a nice girls date, and the gift means a lot and I want to give the best so I want varying insights and opinions.

 

4. It being pink was thoughtful. The pinkness of it was the most important part. Are we really going to act like the pink gloves he gifted her wasn't the basis and reasoning behind the pink shirt? I can already see her and her friends squealing in the store "couples gift". The writers have Junghwan gift her pink gloves then we see his anticipation of curiosity. Did she get it? Does she like it? Do they fit? Will she ever wear them?...it's the same disappointed not met anticipation Deok Sun explained to her friends of having wanted Junghwan to wear that shirt to his birthday (it fits, it looks good on him, even though it may not be his color he likes it and it means something because he wore it in spite of that. It means something because it came from me) but he didn't (she even got that dolled up -and didn't over do her make up this time - to match the dressiness of the dress shirt.. Everyone else was in jeans and a t-shirt and she ain't doll up for other B-day parties so...) 

 

That gift was so dang thoughtful on Deok Sun's part. I'm not even going to compare it to her taking care of Taek in China because I think the lessons and reasoning of the two are different. However the gift just like China was very thoughtful on Deok Sun's part and showed/s how caring she can be towards others even when we don't think she is or expect her to be (I for one was not expecting her to get  Junghwan a gift). Again, I believe it's a disservice to her to say it wasn't a thoughtful gift (why would she be hurt by it if she didn't put much thought of reasoning and expectations into it?). 

[shooastrid]

24 minutes ago, nearsea said:

@shooastrid Patiently went through your baduk analysis.Seriously the game looks so difficult! Much more higher level than chess I guess.But your analysis is beyond amazing.It should be posted somewhere so that the writer sees it for real..I wonder if the writer himself has given this much thought on baduk as much as you have analyzed it.

Hi sweety, contrary to that, baduk is very easy to learn. (I did not mean to make it sound too complicated, lol, my bad) I can teach someone all the basic for less than 30 minutes. But as I mentioned in the previous post, it's the kind of game that dawn on you slowly, along with your adding knowledge. "It takes few minutes to learn, but a lifetime to master". 

What I wrote above is not something that is impossible to be understood by the writer. I mean, she decided to write a character who is a master at baduk. The least you should know is how the game is played and the philosophical aspect behind. The way she wrote Taek, and the way the narrative goes, there is no way that she is oblivious to that, to some level at least. It's almost like a love letter. They even publish an article about Choi Taek! Poke @aoikarin. That's the level of their digging in to the character..

Or you know, you can apply many baduk related concept to many real life situations, so it may be just my emotional self talking

Anyway, thanks for your feedback. Anyone here want to learn baduk while we are at it?

[nearsea]

@shooastrid No I mean the way you interpreted the baduk moves in the drama and how it's interwoven in the every daily life narratives..that part was really detailed and layered..=]. I'm sure the writer would totally relate to it,I don't know just if he's as much creative as you,but I guess that's the beauty of art right? The main aspect of art is so that we audience view it from different way,so any new and unique idea is actually a new kind of discovery for the artist and us the viewers =]]. Read your post already from the shipper thread and now the added parts also explain a lot other parts too..which I might have vented over already.

-- You're giving assurance then? Okay maybe I'll give a hand at it,.I went to wiki and the glossaries already sounded greek to me.So maybe I'll look for baduk +5-10 year olds version lol.

[shooastrid]

47 minutes ago, nearsea said:

@shooastrid No I mean the way you interpreted the baduk moves in the drama and how it's interwoven in the every daily life narratives..that part was really detailed and layered..=]. I'm sure the writer would totally relate to it,I don't know just if he's as much creative as you,but I guess that's the beauty of art right? The main aspect of art is so that we audience view it from different way,so any new and unique idea is actually a new kind of discovery for the artist and us the viewers =]]. Read your post already from the shipper thread and now the added parts also explain a lot other parts too..which I might have vented over already.

-- You're giving assurance then? Okay maybe I'll give a hand at it,.I went to wiki and the glossaries already sounded greek to me.So maybe I'll look for baduk +5-10 year olds version lol.

Yep, can't agree more. That's the beauty of art, it's up to us viewers to interpret, and at times moving through from one perspective to another. So much love for the sentence highlighted, since it's so true.

Mmm maybe learning through another pop culture product is the best? Have you ever heard of Hikaru no Go? It's a manga about a boy's discovery of baduk. I will not send the link here, but you can "borrow" the manga scanlations from various website, or watch the anime version online on YouTube. I suggest reading the manga first if you are interested. It's a bit slow at the beginning but pick up pretty fast starting from volume 2. You will find yourself addicted to the story in no time. And it's good, since we have this looooooong 2 weeks of waiting. Sorry if it's OOT.

Edit: Adding @mellinadear to the convo. Girl, that's my secret mission you know, posting so many baduk related posts, to attract more and more Taekie minions hahaha. Come on, the dark side is waiting... Hikaru no Go is the manga that came to my mind for those who want to learn more about baduk.  

[nearsea]

Wow @shooastrid what have I done to deserve this? I will definitely read this,as the weekly dose of reply won't be here for two long weeks.Thank you for the recommendation really,much love <3 =]]. Also as baduk is being used here in this drama as a prop,I have seen how they used this game as a vital background for misaeng too,so I've always found that engrossing.So like jang geu rae I find taek's character as someone more strong mentally,not the weak kind,even if he has been perceived that way from everyone around him.Thanks again for the manga suggestion =]].

[mellinadear]

@shooastrid you are tempting me to learn again lol. I have to think about it first. 

[lelee]

44 minutes ago, shooastrid said:

Edit: Adding @mellinadear to the convo. Girl, that's my secret mission you know, posting so many baduk related posts, to attract more and more Taekie minions hahaha. Come on, the dark side is waiting... Hikaru no Go is the manga that came to my mind for those who want to learn more about baduk.  

Hahaha.......................... I already started to read that manga because of your post.... ㅎㅅㅎ Go seems interesting.... Thanks for the tip haha, I'm now officially one of TK's minions.. 두찌바찌~뿌찌

[carolinedl]

@shooastrid Wow, that was really interesting!! I loved your explanation of why Taek came in late into the husband game (though I don't know if he was really that much stronger than JH to begin with - would DS make a difference between her four best friends?). I won't go as far as saying that it shows that Taek is the husband, but it definitely shows how they are on equal ground now with the different movements. I guess the one left is DS: she is the one who needs to play now.

Don't get me wrong: I love Taekie and most of us JH and DS shippers really do. We love how layered he is, how passionate and interesting. He is double: awkward and manly, etc. What I am most annoyed at is the kind of relation he is developping with DS though: he is taken care of. I guess we all have different sensibilities but I find that whole mothering thing really not attractive. I can totally understand why he does it (and I know it is his way of showing his love), but it does not scream love sentiments to me at all, and I am curious to see whther it does to DS as well. I am curious as to how DS and Taek shippers respond to that? I can totally see the love, but it does not feel like the kind of love you would expect between a man and a woman in a romantic way (and I am not only saying that kind of love is all about sexuality, but that's a big part of it. If you love someone without desire, then they are your friends, no?). See what I mean? I am also scared that DS does not see it that way either. That would be my main objection to shipping DS/TK...

I was watching episode 13 this morning (I kept last week's episode for the hiatus! he he) and I was annoyed at the way DS got Taek to eat breakfast... This is what I mean. "Should you eat or eat?" It was like she was barganing with a child: eat breakfast and I won't bother you about lunch and dinner.

PS: I really want to learn Baduk now!