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25 minutes ago, Sushimi said:

Ah lol @triplem Kaneki, brother of kosuke is in this too :joy:

 

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Who that ? 
 

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omg @Lawyerh I hv watched almost all these affair themed dramas except the 1st . In fact the no 4 , 6, 7 are personal favourites :w00t:

 

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1 hour ago, triplem said:

omg @Lawyerh I hv watched almost all these affair themed dramas except the 1st . In fact the no 4 , 6, 7 are personal favourites 

actually #1 'let me introduce her' shouldn't be in that list because it isn't an affair theme drama. she is technically married when he meets her and they fall in love but it is more complicated. she is fleeing a very violent abusive marriage and gets plastic surgery (he is her surgeon) because she is fearful for her life. in the process, she loses her memory. so they piece together who she is and what happened to her. it is a happy ending. the actual theme of the drama is domestic violence and how does family members react to it.

 

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25 minutes ago, nrllee said:

Oh that’s good . Jang Nara always ends up with all these melodramas. Even her rom coms hv a lot of angst :lol: ( e.g Fated to Love You & Go Back Couple) 

 

12 minutes ago, Sushimi said:

Lol I Guess you have forgotten or blanked out the time where I cried for my most tragic character’s death:joy: if you could remember, the one in the middle of the picture that you posted. Yup, that’s the tragic character’s older brother. :) 

 

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ahhh ... sorry can’t remember so many things especially if I don’t watch the drama myself 

That actor I only remember him in Because This is My First Life . 
 

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@Lmangla I see . Did you like the drama ?

 

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I did like the drama @triplem; there was another drama with a similar plot that aired few months later but I think that had a very depressing vibe? at least that was my impression though I didn't watch it. let me introduce her had a very cheerful heroine who is determined to find out what happened to her. so you can feel the horror as you find the past is not even remotely rosy. it is also a very complicated story in that the husband is not painted with a full stroke villain brush. instead, the writer seems to be asking what compels a man to commit violence? what are the psychological motivations? how does the family not know what is happening? and what roles do family members play in such situations?

 

also kim jae won as the plastic surgeon played his character with a lot of maturity. he also has his own back story and it is interesting because he refuses to take his first love back. not because he is in love with the female lead but because some things simply cannot be fixed once broken. so in that sense, a different type drama but very conventional old school type of kdrama vibe. brightly lit, beautiful gardens...

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so what was he doing in your dream @Lawyerh? and yea, the before and after was hard to digest for a few episodes for me too. ^_^

@Sushimi ~ if you could weekend and daily dramas, then I have watched so many cheating dramas that I have lost count. plus if you count the rom-coms where the guy has a relationship with a clingly second lead that he dumps once the heroine shows up, then even more dramas!

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9 minutes ago, Lawyerh said:

I also expert in affair. I watched 1,2,3,4,6 :joy: no 5 peeking a bit only and writing my own story on it. Personal best : 3,4. 

 

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We can start an affairs club :w00t:

 

@Lmangla so did she get plastic surgery to hide from the husband? 
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2 minutes ago, triplem said:

 

@Lmangla so did she get plastic surgery to hide from the husband? 
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yea, she basically flees for her life but wants to go back to get her daughter. so she decides in desperation to change her face. since she saved his life -- he was having a heart attack literally -- the plastic surgeon agrees to do the surgery despite not knowing any details about her including her name because he senses she is really desperate. later it comes back to bite him when she loses her memory and he can't even approach the police as he will lose his license.

 

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Same feeling here for Let Me Introduce Her. Ended up not watching it. 

 

At least Love In Sadness did it better with the before after. Sadly, the before actress has better chemistry with the male leads than the after actress. 

 

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4 hours ago, triplem said:

Oh my @Ameera Ali , your husband is offered a role in this & possible FL is Jang Nara 

kkkkk pray it’s not a melodrama :lol:

 

What awesome news 

now he will come back to the screen, I need to play faithful wife :mrgreen:

 

@Lawyerh worse affair is VIP no fighting Over it :sweat_smile: @triplem my favorite is 1, 4 

 

 

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@ktcjdrama I am sifting through all the comments in the SF1 thread and yours (and stuarttmz? He’s left Soompi now) are the only sane ones that have any credence to understanding SM’s character.  The rest are ludicrous assessments.  This is your comment.

 

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I also feel the need to say something about HSM -- He is not your normal regular person. If I may say, he is handicapped. Some people's handicaps are visible, eg. a cripple, a blind person. When we meet these people, let's say a cripple limping on a narrow pathway in front of us, are we going to say "Hey, walk faster! You're slowing me down, you know!" or when a blind person bumped into us, "Hey, watch where you're going!" I think we would be understanding towards those people. In the same way, HSM is handicapped, but his handicap is not visible. It's under his skin, under his skull. His handicap is the ability to show emotions. So is it fair to expect SM to react and behave the same way as we expect normal regular person? To say please and thank you, be sympathetic/emphatic towards other people. I guess not. And I remember someone mentioned earlier about having seen a normal person being more rude than SM is.


It is exactly my assessment - my notes/comment in the SF2 thread.  

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CSW plays him like he did his autistic character in Marathon.  He was brilliant there.  If you didn’t watch it, hunt it down to watch it.  It’s eye opening into the struggles of raising an autistic child.  Autistic children find it impossible to get social cues.  Relating with people confuses them.  They have feelings but often do not know what they are or how to express them in socially correct settings. They relate to others purely on a functional level. They do not understand sadness or affection.  That’s why SiMok seems standoffish.  He doesn’t understand any human emotions.  Nor niceties.  Autistic people don’t do niceties.  I don’t think us “neurotypical” people understand how many considerations our brain sifts through when we relate to other people.  Autistic people live in a black and white world.  We imbue feelings on SM because we try to put ourselves in his shoes.  Problem is, the shoes don’t fit.  He’s not sad that he is by himself.  He’s not happy either.  He just is.  He doesn’t feel the need to “be happy”.  He doesn’t feel the need to relate to people unless he needs something from them.  People are a means to an end.  Purely functional.  There was one scene where he asks ES into the room to get information from her and then he tells her abruptly to leave when he had all the information he needed.  YJ tells him to be “nicer to her”.  SM replies with a blank rather confused look, “but I was nice”.  To him, the fact that he didn’t yell at her meant he was “nice”.   That’s how people who cannot understand emotions think.  They think in dichotomies.  If I am not angry, then I am nice. He didn’t pick up any of the social cues from ES that she wanted desperately to be in on the conversation.  YJ and we did because we’re “neurotypical”.  We pick all these silent cues up.  People like SM can’t see them at all.  Then there was that scene where he was asked to take her home from the party at YJ’s house.  SM knows that ES takes public transport.  So for him, it would be totally logical to drop her off at the nearest train station so he could be on his way home.  No niceties.  And I don’t see that he is any “nicer” to YJ than he is ES.  He treats her exactly like how he treats everyone else.  On a functional level.  The reason why they seem to hit it off is because YJ has no expectations of how he should be.  And her judgement is objective and not clouded by prejudice (like ES).  So to him, she provides him with information and unbiased opinions.  So she’s a necessity.  Plus she has more interactions with him purely because they need each other for the case and to bounce ideas off.  He watches her relate on a human level to the people they meet and he tries to make sense of it.  I think a lot of the time he still can’t process that emotion/feeling.  Funny thing is I don’t feel like SM needs anyone to defend him because his character couldn’t care 2 hoots as to whether people like him or not.  Popularity and notoriety are one and the same.  Neither matters to him.  Neither factor into his decision making process.  Only the facts matter.  He just wants to get his job done.  Justice is black and white for him.  Not shades of grey.  It makes him formidable as a prosecutor.

 

Then there was that whole kerfuffle as to whether SM felt guilty or not after ES’s death.  Maybe. But not the way neurotypicals like us would feel it.  He collapsed after the post mortem because he was affected by her death.  Whether it was “guilt” or not is a moot point.  He can’t feel guilt like neurotypicals do.  If you asked him he probably wouldn’t be able to tell you.  Like the doctor said, he stores up all these confusing emotions in his system which eventually leads to his body shutting down and he collapses (physiologically his body can only take so much external stressors).  He can’t emote at all.  Which is why he stood in front of the mirror and tried to make that angry face that YJ drew for him (very similar to how autistic children are taught emotions).  He doesn’t know how it relates.  SHS’s fandom are just trying to make sense of her death and taking out their anger on SM’s impassivity.  They give him feelings and thoughts that only a neurotypical person would/should have.  It’s completely groundless.


Is SM rude?  Yes.  But then so are most autistic/mentally handicapped people?  It’s not possible to expect them to behave normally.  Was he “grieving” when ES died?  Maybe.  He was traumatised but what he’s experiencing is not what the typical person would be experiencing?  He treats everyone the same.  ES is no different from the Clerks in his office or YJ or anyone else.  He would probably have collapsed at their deaths too.  ES is no more “special” than anyone else.  I don’t think he would “miss” her or be racked with guilt like what the fandom of SHS are expecting. :lol: That’s the beautiful thing about his character.  He is very black and white.  Everyone is a means to an end.  He doesn’t play nice or worry about what anyone thinks about him.  He doesn’t care about the consequences.  He just does his job.  He doesn’t get upset/discouraged that the bad guys get a lenient sentence.  He just doggedly keeps at doing his job.  
 

There was all this anger directed at the writer for using ES’s death as a plot device so that SM would develop emotions?  They completely missed the point.  The only times he ever displayed emotions and there was an actual word associated with it was when YJ drew those pictures for him.  She’s the plot device, not ES.  He’s learning emotions through her.  And btw, that’s how autistic children are taught emotions too...with pictures.

 

All I can say is thank goodness I didn’t watch live.  I have decided I don’t think I can ever watch anything of her dramas live because of her fandom.  :lol:
 

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@triplem @ktcjdrama more thoughts after reading more on SF1 thread.

 

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And why was there so much talk about why SM went to the autopsy for ES?  I couldn’t understand the fuss in the thread?  Something about him wanting to find out if she swallowed the USB stick?  What??  Or that he wanted to “escort her to the end”?  :blink:  NO... he went because it was procedure.  It’s not romantic to say that but it was purely a “job” for him, collecting pieces of the puzzle that he needed to solve the case.  :lol:  He wanted to find out first hand the cause of death.  Straight up from the Medical Officer.  Real time.  Not only after he’s (MO) had the time to wash up and type up the report.  That takes time.  Especially if the MO has a pile of other bodies to autopsy.  SM didn’t do that with PMS because he was chasing down the lead (TV repair guy).  So as the MO does the autopsy, he would speak out loud to whoever’s recording the details...about the various organs...what was cut in the knife wounds etc...and cause of death...whether it was the blow to her head or the knife wounds.  So SM just wanted to know how she died.  At the moment all he had was speculation from external wounds and what was at the crime scene.  He needed confirmation from the MO to verify it.  It’s quite common for Prosecutors in Korea to attend Post Mortems.  Part of their job.  So no he didn’t give ES special treatment or was “racked with guilt” and felt sorry so he went to her autopsy... he can’t feel guilt.  The way you have to try to understand SM is that if you can’t easily draw an emotion as a picture, he won’t get it.  Visceral emotions like fear, anger and happiness can be easily drawn.  Others like guilt, love, suffering, repentance, displeasure are a lot harder to draw.  Most people like SM will not get these emotions.  That’s why he has this furrowed brow confused look a lot of the time.  He can’t make out why a person has behaved the way they have.  :lol:  I think someone mentioned that when SM says sorry he doesn’t actually “mean it” and she’s right.  He’s doing it purely as a cause-effect relationship.  When someone is angry at you, you say sorry.  That’s what you are taught.  He applies it literally.  Every time.  Whether he feels sorry or not doesn’t factor into the equation. 

 

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57 minutes ago, nrllee said:

@triplem @ktcjdrama more thoughts after reading more on SF1 thread.

 

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Finishing your homework before S2 ya? :glasses:

I haven’t really visited SF2 thread yet. Will do that after the holidays maybe. Busy keeping up with a “buzzing” thread :lol: sorta like SF1 kind of arguments. 

 

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39 minutes ago, ktcjdrama said:

Finishing your homework before S2 ya? 


Yeah gotta get a read on potential users to avoid entangling with in SF2.  Although now that ES is dead (I can’t believe some of them thought she faked it and would return alive somehow :lol:?  How is that even plausible in this gritty reality thriller with no fantasy element at all?), none of the major irksome candidates will probably show up in the SF2 thread.  Unless writer chooses to let her do some cameo in a dream sequence :lol:.

 

btw, is bedifferent an ahjussi or ahjumma?  I keep referencing people as female by default on Soompi.  Like poor @Dhakra who had a gender identity crisis as a result :lol:

 

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6 minutes ago, nrllee said:

btw, is bedifferent an ahjussi or ahjumma?  I keep referencing people as female by default on Soompi.

bedifferent is a female (if my memory serves me right :P)

I do the same too as the default. So once a male is identified, I will usually try to remember them in order to avoid blunder when addressing them in the future :lol:

 

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@nrllee I can’t remember what all the arguments are about :lol: . TBH I hv forgotten quite a bit of the details so reading what you wrote has been great . I had most of my discussions here with staygold & bedifferent as I didn’t follow the thread closely . I wasn’t a mod then so there was no need for me to keep up.

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You don’t hv to worry about the SHS fans . They won’t be watching S2 . :ph34r:
The only thing that I remember clearly was how smarmy LJH’s character was :joy: but I still thought ahh he’s quite handsome & started looking up his other dramas . But he ( DJ ) got off too lightly right ? Actually I liked / didn’t mind SHS’ character in SF 1 & felt quite sad she died . I thought she & SM had chemistry but I can’t say I would completely ship them . The romance wasn’t too important for this drama.  She definitely wanted his approval .  Hmm I need to rewatch before this starts again in July . I’ll probably see the story in a different light 

 

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@triplem well in her interview SHS said it wasn’t love she was after.  
 

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It was acknowledgement.  She (as his mentee) wanted affirmation from him (her mentor).  And I would agree for the most part.  That’s why she kept trying to gain his approval to prove she belonged in his team.   She needed to be affirmed that she was doing a good job.  BUT...this is the big BUT...the scene where she turns up at his apartment at night after being strangled by LJH’s character?  That didn’t fit with her answer.  She kept ringing his doorbell.  Asking for his clothes to wear?  Are you kidding me?  Using the excuse that she didn’t want her parents asking her about the bruises on her neck?  What about her fronting up wearing a man’s sweater instead of her work clothes?  How will she explain that to them?  That’s okay?  :P  Then saying things that were full of innuendo?  Especially after he warned her that showing up alone in the night coming into a man’s apartment is not right?  Her excuse was that he wouldn’t have felt anything anyway?  Err...he is a man with needs?  He knows about prostitution and sexual favours?  Just because he has no feelings doesn’t mean he is incapable of arousal?  That bit of him is functioning just fine?  And then sending him a song? Buying him a sweater?  That’s not affirmation. That’s a crush.  Problem was, he’s incapable of complimenting anyone for just doing their job.  He will say it in the end as a formality (like he did when the team was dismantled) but he will not say anything to affirm her actions.  Just like he expects zero affirmation (he doesn’t need it), he won’t give it.  That’s why her dad was against her going out with him even though her mom was pushing for it.  He knew that SM is incapable of any semblance of “love” or “affection” that is even remotely “normal”.  
 

Yeah I didn’t mind her character either but her fans just ruined it for everyone by reading situations all wrong and blaming everyone for her death.  SM especially.
 

LJH’s character is just fun to watch.  He’s a survivor.  Whatever works goes.  He plays both sides.  No scruples.  I like him though. Despite his weasel like ways :lol:.  


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@nrllee ahh if only we had watched it together but talking about it here of course:lol: 

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I was not too fond of some of her fans , that’s all I can say . I found some of the discussions rather bias - so that put me off . When I do a rewatch I’ll see how I feel again about her character.  
LJH ‘s hair was terribly distracting . I hated it . Pls let him have a decent look in 365

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