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[Mainland Chinese Drama 2015] The Four 少年四大名捕

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@celebrianna I know the scene well, so no need to rewatch to answer. She does turn away, she does avert her eyes, and she does try to hide her top (which I find amusing because even if she manages to hide it from him, which she obviously cannot do, the fact that she’s not wearing it exposes her already. It’s like when my friend cut her bangs when she was three but hid the pile of hair thinking so long as she did that, her mom wouldn’t notice the cut bangs... but I digress).  But I just don’t think (nor do I get the sense) she reacted that way out of shame. Avoidance, yes, but not shame. She had nothing to be ashamed of. 

 

It surely was poor judgment of her to go with the underling deputies when it was already late, they had a track record for doing devious business against her, and Cold Blood had tried to put a stop to their antics already thus giving her an out, but they preyed on her kindness with their “woman’s business excuse” (notice how quickly even Cold Blood turned away at that announcement) and Li Mo could not have anticipated all the events that followed as a result of going with them.  

 

I also understand Cold Blood’s upset, and though I think he could have handled the situation better, I recognize he was acting completely within his character and personality (which I absolutely love).

 

And yeah, Meteor Garden was the name of the Taiwanese BoF adaptation (the first one).  The same producer is remaking it in China this year, hence the use of the same name and some overlap between the productions (like a cameo from the original actress, I believe). Meteor Garden 2018 has gotten a lot of buzz for obvious reasons; everyone is just waiting for an air date.

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@themarchioness, I guess we just see that scene differently. ;)

 

Wow, people seem to really like that story. I just don’t get it. I prefer the mangaka’s later story but even that is not as good as other manga I’ve read imho.

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@celebrianna, boo, work was too bearish for me to hop on any earlier today.  It's fine.  We have certainly agreed to disagree before.  :) 

 

I wanted to share that I rewatched that scene last night where they're looking at the stars.  I love the whole of that interlude, but one of my favorite-favorite moments from that scene is where after they exchange bracelets he accuses her of reading his mind and this time she gets to poke/slap at him, as she says it's from being connected in their hearts.  My other favorite-favorite moment is where she looks at him and then smiles and says, "I feel the same," and then he looks at her bemusedly and says he never said anything.  The way he looks at her right in that moment reminds me SO MUCH of Nan Xian.  it's funny because I don't necessarily see Nan Xian in Cold Blood (or vice versa) despite Zhang Han playing both roles, but that moment right there.  I definitely see his future self in his past self.  :wub: 

 

Spoiler

Speaking of H2H, I finally pushed on to keep watching and now I'm past the London scenes - phew - they're actually less episodes than I remembered.  Haha.  So proof that my recollection was making it scarier than it needed to be and now I'm where she's in London and Guan Ti is being a man-toddler.  As for the BoF fans... yeah, I must admit.  The rabidness of the fandom is a a bit of a turn off for me, but *shrugs*.  Who can explain personal preferences?  

 

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@themarchioness, awwwwwwwww! I love that scene you mentioned too. I've been holding off at continuing during the week otherwise I won't get any sleep at night and that would be bad at work the next day. I really love that whole night scene where they're talking about their future and those sweet words you mentioned and that lovely ballad playing in the background. It was good to see them relaxing and enjoying their time together after all they went through. :wub: I don't see Nan Xian in Cold Blood either but I think I remember the expression. It's funny to me that Cold Blood seem older than Nan Xian and Wen Nuan older than Li Mo. Heh. Maybe it's the gravity in their personalities that is making me feel this way. 

Fighting.

:) You managed to get past the London arc though it is also worrisome to see the way Guan Ti starts behaving.

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@celebrianna you'll have to let me know if you have any different thoughts about not seeing Nan Xian in Cold Blood when you rewatch that scene, now that I've put the notion in your head.  :D  I'm trying to think of what moment in H2H would have had him producing an equivalent expression... maybe the one where he asks WN why she looked so disappointed (after he teased her by first asking if she was free that evening only to then ask her to set up a meeting between him and ZLL).

 

I've never really thought about who seemed older (NX vs. CB/WN v. LM), but I like to remind myself every now and then of how young the characters in The Four are supposed to be.  We've talked about it a bit before, just how impressively mature they are considering how old they're supposed to be.  But I suppose people tended to grow up faster back and the day just given the responsibilities of day-to-day life and shorter life expectancies in general.

 

Another thing I'm keenly aware of when I watch this drama is how much uncertain life seemed to be.  I'm not sure how else to phrase it.  But, as an example, whenever they parted with the side characters the met along the way, they'd always say farewell by saying something along the lines of, "If we're fated, we'll meet again."  A lot of times that made sense in that they probably wouldn't see those people again because their paths had no reason to cross again.  But when Li Mo decided to leave the Bureau to find her mother, it felt like a punch to the stomach to hear Mu Xue, YY, and Li Mo saying that to each other.  It made me think about how there was a lot of stuff that could happen in between her journey from the Bureau to her mother, and how a lot of that stuff could be bad stuff.  They might have hoped that she would one day return to the Bureau, but there could be no expectation that she would -- and I'm not just saying it's because she'd find her mother and decide she want to stay there.  

 

I suppose that sort of fatalism is present even today -- we could get in our car just to go to the store and who knows what might happen -- but even still, it seems a lot safer traveling around today than back then when all you had were dusty roads with who knows what along the way!

 

Too many deep thoughts for one drama?  ;)  I recommended it to my friend who I also got to watch H2H.  She's loving The Four so far!  

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@themarchioness, I think I have a photograph of that expression in my memory but when I get there I will definitely find out if I also see a glimpse of NX. That moment was so cute in The Four and that moment in H2H. I also suddenly remember when Coldblood woke up in Li Mo’s arms too after surviving the night after the wolf poison was removed. Quite a few sweet moments in this drama. I love how she told him let’s never be apart again and I think he hugged her until Ms. Bitter arrived to interrupt the moment. 

 

I also think people had to grow up faster in the past so I understand the difference in maturity level. Regarding the farewell, I certainly feel it in historical drama. I think the uncertainty of meeting again was particularly highlighted for me when Li Mo and Wu Qin fell off the cliff or when both of them returned to the bureau and Coldblood and Yao Hua had left. It’s not like our modern times where people can be traced, found or contacted relatively easily. So when Li Mo was saying farewell to YY and MX and basically asking YY to take care of MX, I really felt it for her and them. I don’t think she said goodbye to Yu’er did she? In any case, I was glad when Coldblood found out because if she had really left the city it might have been very troublesome to find her. 

 

One thing i always wondered about is was it even safe for her to make that journey alone? I always think that a woman traveling along would be vulnerable to assault of any nature. I know before she met Coldblood she was faced with the same path but thankfully Coldblood found her. Yu’er was able to survive on her own but I don’t think she was traveling a great distance like Li Mo intended to do on her own.

 

Random thought: I keep thinking how much money the deputies had to pay the owner of the inn for the stuff Li Mo destroyed in her frustration. LOL Gosh, she even tore up their curtains hanging from the wooden beams. I know the inn owner said it was his best room. Also, ASG sure wear more makeup than the women. LOL

 

When I watch this show I’m always diving a bit deeper trying to figure out what Coldblood might be thinking. I guess because he was so cold from the beginning I find it interesting to see how his feelings undergo a transformation from beginning to end. Definitely in the beginning he didn’t have any sympathy for Li Mo’s situation or predicament. I always wondered if Li Mo annoyed him when she told him that saying it’s his duty shouldn’t negate his conscience unless of course he doesn’t have one. It’s definitely an insult but Coldblood might not necessarily give it any credit because in terms of the royal law, she really was guilty. I just find it sweet how later on when the truth was exposed and Yao Hua and others wanted to capture Li Mo, Coldblood was adamant about protecting her. As much as he cared for the bureau and his fault in the entire affair, he never for a moment considered giving her up. While watching, I also ponder if certain moments he experience is his first. :)

 

I read the epilogue again today. 

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@celebrianna, attempting another reply and this time I'm not going to use "quotes" as I think that's what did me in yesterday.  I hope you found time this past weekend to continue in your rewatch of The Four!  I'm still watching scenes here and there, plus my friend's in the middle of watching (and loving it) so I check in periodically to remind myself of what's going on in the episodes that she's watching. 

 

Quite a few sweet moments in this drama. I love how she told him let’s never be apart again and I think he hugged her until Ms. Bitter arrived to interrupt the moment. 

 

Definitely!  Although, I will say that one problem of knowing what happens down the line is now when I rewatch scenes like that, I think about how that is *not* going to happen.  At least it's not as problematic here as it was in H2H.  Here, there's really only the time he got the royal edict to take the Princess as his wife and so he tried to drive Li Mo away, thinking it'd be better for her.

 

I don’t think she said goodbye to Yu’er did she? In any case, I was glad when Coldblood found out because if she had really left the city it might have been very troublesome to find her. 

 

If she did, they didn't show us that scene.  One argument for the "no farewell" camp is that surely Yu Er would've run forward sooner to reveal that Li Mo was leaving the Bureau if she had known about Li Mo's plans.  But the counterargument to that is that it seems highly out of character for Li Mo to not say good-bye to Yu Er considering how close they were.  Thus, I think it most likely that either one of two things happened.  Yu Er was the last person she said farewell to, which is how Li Mo was able to leave the Bureau but Cold Blood was able to chase her down so quickly.   Or, Li Mo knew that Yu Er would spill her intentions and so instead of saying farewell personally, left her note which she found soon after Li Mo's departure.  I'm inclined to go with the former option (because there's no note in Yu Er's hand when she rushes in to the room -- and frankly, let's be honest, chances are pretty good given the time period that Yu Er wouldn't know how to read anyway).

 

One thing i always wondered about is was it even safe for her to make that journey alone? I always think that a woman traveling along would be vulnerable to assault of any nature. I know before she met Coldblood she was faced with the same path but thankfully Coldblood found her. Yu’er was able to survive on her own but I don’t think she was traveling a great distance like Li Mo intended to do on her own.

 

Definitely not.  A single woman traveling alone would be easy prey.  We saw that with the girl who Li Mo and ZGWG saved after she was almost duped into be sold.  We also saw that with the Princess who, due to her sheltered background, was tricked into being a hostage slave.  I think Li Mo is more worldly than those two (certainly by that point in the drama) that I wouldn't be concerned that she would fall into similar traps if approached by bad people in her journeys.  But, just because she couldn't be tricked into a similar trap doesn't mean that she couldn't be forced into one.  No matter how street savvy she is, she still faces the danger of someone physically overtaking her.  As we saw on two occasions with would-be rapists, she's no match for someone physically stronger than her.

 

As for her being on a similar path prior to Cold Blood finding her, the difference is she didn't have a choice back then.  She was running away from a situation that had been thrust upon her so it was kind of a lose-lose situation; if she didn't take her chances with the unknown world, then she'd be transported to the emperor.  At least running away, there was still some hope.  This time though, she's making a conscious choice to leave the safety of the Bureau.  Granted, she's hoping to find her mother at the end of that journey, but what an arduous undertaking that still is (even with her mind-reading connections to her mother).  Frankly, because she was risking so much in leaving the Bureau, I think her decision to leave says more about her love for Cold Blood than it does her desire to find her mother. 

 

As for your point about Yu Er, are you referring to when she was tied up in the cabin or the fact that she must have had to make some sort of a journey when she left her aunt/uncle's house and came to the Bureau?

 

Random thought: I keep thinking how much money the deputies had to pay the owner of the inn for the stuff Li Mo destroyed in her frustration. LOL Gosh, she even tore up their curtains hanging from the wooden beams. I know the inn owner said it was his best room. Also, ASG sure wear more makeup than the women. LOL

 

LOL.  I have had these same thoughts as well!  And along those lines, I wonder just how much these deputies make.  As public officials, I can't imagine they'd make *that* much.  But apart from Chaser always trying to get his friends to treat him to a meal at the Royal Aunt's place, the deputies never seem to want for anything.  The Bureau also never seems to lack space or resources.

 

Also, speaking of the set designs, have you noticed that the pink fabric with white flowers seems to be *everywhere* in the drama?  It's used for Li Mo's bed when she moves into Cold Blood's quarters.  It's also used for the bed in the room that the female deputies use to trap the first rapist when Li Mo acts as bait.  He ends up tearing the tapestry down to tie up the other deputies.  And it looks like it's also used a window drapes for one of the buildings along the alley way where Li Mo and ZGWG confront the human trafficker when they save that girl.  Those are just few examples... I'm pretty sure that same fabric is used in other scenes too.  It's kind of a game for me now -- spot the pink/white flower fabric!  LOL.

 

When I watch this show I’m always diving a bit deeper trying to figure out what Coldblood might be thinking. I guess because he was so cold from the beginning I find it interesting to see how his feelings undergo a transformation from beginning to end.

 

TOTALLY.  My latest pondering has been over Cold Blood's reaction to the archery mishap.  After he catches the arrow, he lashes out at Li Mo like it's her fault that she was there and tells her that from now on, she's not allowed to make an appearance without his permission.  But the thing is, if you take away the anger and examine solely the contents of his words, we see that his banning her from doing anything without an order from him actually works to protect her from the outside meddlers.  Was he starting to care for her during this time and just not realizing it?  Or was he simply feeling bad for her and the romantic feelings still came later?  Around this time, we also saw him helping her out in other ways -- like when the Princess tried to take her back to the palace, he came along and ordered Li Mo to go quote-unquote take care of the horses.  Either way it's definitely a contrast to when Heartless asked him initially to help and he was basically all, "No, she's just a maid and I'm not going to concern myself with her."  More than anything, I think Li Mo gets to him -- and he doesn't quite know what to do or feel about that.  Heh.

 

I just find it sweet how later on when the truth was exposed and Yao Hua and others wanted to capture Li Mo, Coldblood was adamant about protecting her. As much as he cared for the bureau and his fault in the entire affair, he never for a moment considered giving her up.

 

Absolutely!  They are so :wub:

 

Finally, I have to say I don't find ZH's portrayal of Cold Blood stiff at all.  It's a difficult character to portray as - by the character's very nature - he's stiff and unfeeling.  In the hands of a lesser actor, the character might feel flat, but I don't get that from ZH's Cold Blood at all.  His feelings are often betrayed through his facial expressions (and particularly his eyes), and that is definitely credited to ZH.

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@themarchioness, I’ll start off with your last comment. Did somebody say ZH’s Coldblood is stiff? I completely disagree with them, whoever they are. I don’t find him that way at all. This is the role that he played where I started to appreciate him as an actor. I absolutely adore Coldblood and I think it’s because of the way ZH played him. I also really like the way William Chan plays Chaser and Yang Yang’s Heartless. Sadly, I can barely finish William Chan’s Side by Side and Lost Love In Times. On topic, I do understand however that people will always have differing opinions on actors and shows so ultimately the important thing is we all should enjoy what we like irrespective of the opinions of others. B)

 

Regarding JC, she performed really well in that scene where Coldblood and her were arguing that night at the inn. She was so upset that she was trembling and even the way she spoke shakily while holding back tears was so natural. I really find her acting so real. And when Coldblood wiped away her tears and promised her that he won’t allow anyone to hurt her, that little sob that escaped from her lips nailed it for me.

 

As for your point about Yu Er, are you referring to when she was tied up in the cabin or the fact that she must have had to make some sort of a journey when she left her aunt/uncle's house and came to the Bureau?

 

I meant when she left her aunt/uncle’s house and came to the bureau. Yu Er seem knowledgeable about making it on her own. She planned her path to enter the bureau. I liked that about her. I also thought it was very nice of her to give Li Mo travel money when she was headed to Long Xi. 

 

LOL.  I have had these same thoughts as well!  And along those lines, I wonder just how much these deputies make.  As public officials, I can't imagine they'd make *that* much.  But apart from Chaser always trying to get his friends to treat him to a meal at the Royal Aunt's place, the deputies never seeto want for anything.  The Bureau also never seems to lack space or resources.

 

Perhaps for the damage Li Mo did, they can pay for it from a travel allowance provided by the bureau. As to their personal income, I also do not think they make much. Hearing the princess talk about the “little” status of a deputy, I figure they also didn’t get paid much in comparison to court officials etc. However, the bureau does indeed provide them with daily essentials which is a good thing. 

 

I remember the fabric print for Li Mo’s bed but I admit I didn’t realize the pattern in the other places even though they were right in my face. lol You’re quite observant. I did however notice how clean Heartless’ floor is in his room compared to Coldblood’s. 

 

My latest pondering has been over Cold Blood's reaction to the archery mishap.  After he catches the arrow, he lashes out at Li Mo like it's her fault that she was there and tells her that from now on, she's not allowed to make an appearance without his permission.  But the thing is, if you take away the anger and examine solely the contents of his words, we see that his banning her from doing anything without an order from him actually works to protect her from the outside meddlers.  Was he starting to care for her during this time and just not realizing it?  Or was he simply feeling bad for her and the romantic feelings still came later?  

 

In that scene I think Coldblood was absolutely furious with Yao Hua, her underlings and the princess. I didn’t see him as truly angry with Li Mo. I think it was more like he was scolding her than he was angry with her. And I absolutely agree that he was trying to protect her by telling her she’s not allowed to come out without his permission. He seemed pretty shaken that he was just able to catch the arrow just shy of it hitting her. I think he already cared for her at this point. I would say this whole situation kind of mirrors what would happen later when he was absolutely furious with Yao Hua because she left Li Mo unprotected from the rapist from Wen Ru Yi’s clan. He also scolded Li Mo when she tried to defend the situation. Also, if we assume the scriptwriter is trying to make a point through the words of YH’s underlings in the arrow incident, they too seemed convince that Coldblood’s fury was unnatural and could only mean he cared very much for Li Mo.

 

I find it so hilarious how afterwards when Li Mo was sitting by the pond recalling how Coldblood rescued her, she started to vocalize her thoughts about how he’s a strange cold blooded animal while she’s  chuckling and he was right there when she turned to get up and he had to steady her with his hand and then he asked her if that’s how she repay him...by making fun of him. LOL

 

I did catch up on some more episodes but I keep rewatching the ones at the inn after they returned from the fight with WRY. I really like those episodes so I’m savoring them before the upcoming separation.

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12 hours ago, celebrianna said:

@themarchioness, I’ll start off with your last comment. Did somebody say ZH’s Coldblood is stiff? I completely disagree with them, whoever they are.

That would be me actually. I told her that. Meh. Yeah I found him stiff in Four, so what?? Don't get me wrong, you guys know how much I like Zhang Han, it's just how I felt while watching this show. I tried, but I really couldn't get attached to his character. I have seen my fair share of "cold" male lead's in dramaland, and for me ZH's character in Four didn't stood out among the others. Maybe it's just the historical setting that is preventing me from being comfortable with his character, because let me admit I don't watch historicals often but when I do I want them to be "Peach blossom" level amazing. I'm sorry for the comparison, I don't know how else to convey my point. 

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1 hour ago, kokodus said:

That would be me actually. I told her that. Meh. Yeah I found him stiff in Four, so what?? Don't get me wrong, you guys know how much I like Zhang Han, it's just how I felt while watching this show. I tried, but I really couldn't get attached to his character. I have seen my fair share of "cold" male lead's in dramaland, and for me ZH's character in Four didn't stood out among the others. Maybe it's just the historical setting that is preventing me from being comfortable with his character, because let me admit I don't watch historicals often but when I do I want them to be "Peach blossom" level amazing. I'm sorry for the comparison, I don't know how else to convey my point. 

 

You outed yourself!  :P  I actually wasn't referring to you at all.  I've read online comments from others who share your opinion, so I was speaking generally and not about any one person. 

 

Fortunately, I've also read comments from others who feel otherwise.  But this is why drama watching is always a very subjective and singular experience.  Having said that, if you're going to compare every historical against Peach Blossom... well, I'll just say like modern dramas, there are variances across historicals.  Historical dramas don't all strive for the same tone/tenor.  For me, The Four is fun and entertaining with a cute romantic story, to boot.  It's my Happy Watch.  But that's me and I don't expect everyone to feel the same.

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@themarchionessIdk. We just talked about it recently so I thought you were referring to me. Also glad that I'm not alone. LOL. I rarely come and lurk here in this thread. And when I came after a long time, I saw a post indirectly referring to what I said, so of course I had to unlurk and post something. 

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21 minutes ago, kokodus said:

@themarchionessIdk. We just talked about it recently so I thought you were referring to me. Also glad that I'm not alone. LOL. I rarely come and lurk here in this thread. And when I came after a long time, I saw a post indirectly referring to what I said, so of course I had to unlurk and post something. 

 

No, no, no.  If i"d wanted wanted to talk about you, I'd have just tagged you (so you could weigh in with your thoughts) since I know you've participated in this thread before!  ;)  

 

Instead, I was just sharing the same observation I had made previously with you to @celebrianna.

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@kokodus,

 

No worries. As

@themarchioness pointed out we all have our tastes. I personally don’t like romantic comedies much. I mostly find them a waste of my time. I prefer serious shows like crime shows or melodrama. Shows that make me think and feel. However, sometimes I watch romantic comedy for light watching. I think most drama watchers love romcom because when I look at Viki the numbers show that as well as the post count on threads here on Soompi. 

If I am honest, as much as I loved Peach Blossom, the only thing I find “amazing” about it is Mark Chao’s portrayal of Ye Hua and Mo Yuan. I also loved the romance mainly for him because Yang Mi was kind of stiff. Many people complained that they couldn’t feel her love for Ye Hua in the third lifetime because she seemed so cold. I was okay with her but I also saw why others thought she was cold. Besides Mark Chao and the love story, I don’t find the overall story exceptional. Also, I think PB is considered “fantasy” rather than historical. Nirvana in Fire is my gold standard for historical Chinese drama so far as I have seen. Story wise, Legend of Lu Zhen to me is also better than Peach Blossom although it also suffers from repetitive tolerance for the villain much like Peach Blossom. However, because Peach Blossom’s story has a happy ending, it scores extra points for me and I think of it very fondly. Nirvana and Lu Zhen didn’t have happy endings but their endings suit the story. I am currently watching Nirvana in Fire 2 and already I find it right up there with its prequel in intelligent story telling.

@themarchioness, I just finished the arc with Coldblood’s healing from the poison and while watching today, I realized I can watch this show a gazillion times. lol I wanted to own this show so bad but I guess I will just have to be satisfied with Viki for as long as the license last.

 

Random observations:

I admit I disliked when Coldblood and Heartless were yanking Yi Yi when they found her at the inn with the poison. I do understand that she was a part of the clan but I thought they were all acting unreasonably towards her even after she told them it’s Wen Ru Yi who poisoned the people and Ru Yan. Seeing them manhandle and constantly threatening her annoyed me.

 

Ru Yan. At first I thought she was asking Li Mo to stay by Wu Qin’s side as a companion if she died but I later decided she must mean it platonically. Otherwise, it would have been too much if she was asking for more not knowing Li Mo’s circumstances.

 

That forceful prince in the foreign tribe sure didn’t care what Li Mo thought. I couldn’t believe when he told her that her important person is no longer her fate since the day she entered his village. For him Li Mo’s feelings didn’t matter.

 

Yao Hua. It’s so funny to me when the princess tried to stop Coldblood from leaving and Yao Hua defended him, the princess declared that she should understand since they’re both fighting Li Mo over him and Coldblood is right there to hear this. lol Anyway, I liked that Coldblood tried to address the elephant in the room by immediately raising the issue with YH before they left the city limits. Later on I think ZH was marvelous when he confronted her again in Madame Knife’s house. He tried to get her to leave by trying to get her to deliver a letter but she refused and finally they had a honest conversation about their relationship. Coldblood was finally open with her even declaring that there was someone else in his heart and that he didn’t want her to be stranded there especially since their paths were different. You could see he was sincerely concerned about her and felt burdened by what she was doing. When he told her that she should go back to the bureau, find a good man and get married, I admit that must have hurt but it was necessary for her to hear because he knew only the truth could help her to let go.

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@celebrianna As I said, I don't have much experience with chinese historicals, the only others I have watched are Peach blossoms and General and I (which I didn't finish). I watched Four only for Zhang Han, okay and a little bit because of Yang Yang, but both of their characters were uninteresting. I ended up liking chaser a lot. LOL. And this is my first time watching William Chan. And of course Janine played Li mo exceptionally well, only because of her I was interested in the main romance. I also didn't like the dubbing voice of Zhang Han, it just didn't suit him at all imo. It may also be because I was fresh from watching here to heart and his original voice there was really swoony at times I just can't do with this dubbing voice in here. He looked young here in Four, but his voice seemed so much deep and stern and with no emotions. Sigh. I just finished watching The classic of mountains and seas and the dubbing voice there seemed to have suited him perfectly. So yeah... sigh

 

You know my mom always say, if you don't have anything nice to say, keep quiet and don't open your mouth at all. That was what I was doing but now you guys are making me speak. Tsk tsk. 

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hahaha....originally i always thought ZhangHan a bit stiff in most of his character but i found out i love him in 'ShanShan' with Zhao LiYing

 

@kokodus so dont worry im with you on it....but i still quite like zhanghan :D for this series i mainly watch it for GuiGui :D my favourite girl hehehe

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@celebrianna, yay!  You found time to watch more eps.

 

Regarding JC, she performed really well in that scene where Coldblood and her were arguing that night at the inn. She was so upset that she was trembling and even the way she spoke shakily while holding back tears was so natural. I really find her acting so real. And when Coldblood wiped away her tears and promised her that he won’t allow anyone to hurt her, that little sob that escaped from her lips nailed it for me.

 

She is great in this drama as well.  I was just rewatching that scene where Coldblood drags her back to their quarters after saving her from the first rapist.  Her expressions and gestures as she refuses to tell him the real reason why she wants to continue being a deputy are just spot on, but also so natural.  She is Li Mo, just as ZH is Coldblood.  I have only seen JC in "H2H" and "The Four," but her work in both dramas makes me want to scout out her other work.  (I'd love to watch her and Wallace Chung in "Best Time," but I've read about its ending....)

 

I meant when she left her aunt/uncle’s house and came to the bureau. Yu Er seem knowledgeable about making it on her own. She planned her path to enter the bureau. I liked that about her. I also thought it was very nice of her to give Li Mo travel money when she was headed to Long Xi. 

 

I'd have to rewatch that scene.  I don't recollect her indicating whether there was any great distance between her relatives' house and the Bureau, but I agree she definitely had a plan for bettering her situation and that is admirable.  She was a good person and I was glad she and Li Mo were able to be friends.  I imagine they'll be together forever.  :) 

 

As to their personal income, I also do not think they make much. Hearing the princess talk about the “little” status of a deputy, I figure they also didn’t get paid much in comparison to court officials etc. However, the bureau does indeed provide them with daily essentials which is a good thing. 

 

"Perfect Couple" was another drama where the main character was a deputy and my recollection from that drama was that he didn't make much money doing that work (like it was an actual point the drama discussed) but it was a highly regarded position and he was fortunate to come from a wealthy family that allowed him to be a detective but still live to his accustomed standards.  I imagine similar situations here for The Four.  In addition to being provided resources through the Bureau, Coldblood is the adopted son of a royal family member.  Chaser must come from a similarly wealthy/high position family if he's been friends with the Princess since childhood.  And my impression of Heartless, based on his back story with Ru Yin, is that he also comes from (at the very least) a comfortable background.  It's only iron First who doesn't come from money.

 

I remember the fabric print for Li Mo’s bed but I admit I didn’t realize the pattern in the other places even though they were right in my face. lol You’re quite observant. I did however notice how clean Heartless’ floor is in his room compared to Coldblood’s. 

 

You mean except when he was drunk and had all his things scattered across the rooom?  ;)  I can't say I have ever compared their floors . . . was Coldblood's dirty or do you just mean cluttered with things?  And you will  not be able to miss the pink flowered fabric now that I've pointed it out!  Haha.

 

In that scene I think Coldblood was absolutely furious with Yao Hua, her underlings and the princess. I didn’t see him as truly angry with Li Mo. I think it was more like he was scolding her than he was angry with her. . . Also, if we assume the scriptwriter is trying to make a point through the words of YH’s underlings in the arrow incident, they too seemed convince that Coldblood’s fury was unnatural and could only mean he cared very much for Li Mo.

 

Yes, that is what I mean exactly.  I also don't think he's truly angry with Li Mo.  He just sounds it because that's the only way he knows how to express his care/concern.  For Li Mo who doesn't know any better, she assumes he's angry at her, but for everyone else who've been around him longer and know what he's normally like, they know that this is him being different.  Yao Hua gives a similar explanation to Li Mo when they're cooking the medicine together at the Inn, and she's trying to stake her claim and Li Mo wonders why she's bothering.

 

I find it so hilarious how afterwards when Li Mo was sitting by the pond recalling how Coldblood rescued her, she started to vocalize her thoughts about how he’s a strange cold blooded animal while she’s  chuckling and he was right there when she turned to get up and he had to steady her with his hand and then he asked her if that’s how she repay him...by making fun of him. LOL

 

They are toooo funny (and cute!).  You know that fan music video I posted a few weeks ago that has all their cute moments (including the one you described)?  I confess I watch it all the time.  LOL.  I just love that collection of the OTP's antics.

 

I did catch up on some more episodes but I keep rewatching the ones at the inn after they returned from the fight with WRY. I really like those episodes so I’m savoring them before the upcoming separation.

 

I totally understand that.  Especially since the separation is SUCH a drag.  It's hard to move on, particularly when the episodes that come right before it are SO great.  It sounds like though you finally moved on.  :) 

 

I just finished the arc with Coldblood’s healing from the poison and while watching today, I realized I can watch this show a gazillion times. lol I wanted to own this show so bad but I guess I will just have to be satisfied with Viki for as long as the license last.

 

After the first time watching on Viki with subs, I've just been rewatching the unsubbed version on YouTube.  I have found that it's great to put on in the background when doing housework or cooking.  Haha.  This is when I'm grateful that I can still understand and know where the drama is through listening alone, even if I can't watch also watch.  (It's actually playing in the background right now while I respond to your posts.  Heh.)

 

I admit I disliked when Coldblood and Heartless were yanking Yi Yi when they found her at the inn with the poison. I do understand that she was a part of the clan but I thought they were all acting unreasonably towards her even after she told them it’s Wen Ru Yi who poisoned the people and Ru Yan. Seeing them manhandle and constantly threatening her annoyed me.

 

It's always unpleasant and dramas seeing characters manhandle others so I get that.  I guess Coldblood and Heartless were feeling desperate at the time.  It was unfair to Yi Yi though.

 

Ru Yan. At first I thought she was asking Li Mo to stay by Wu Qin’s side as a companion if she died but I later decided she must mean it platonically. Otherwise, it would have been too much if she was asking for more not knowing Li Mo’s circumstances.

 

I think you're right.  Plus, we know from the conversation she and Li Mo had before they were initially set to part ways that she wasn't unaware of how Li Mo and Coldblood felt about each other.

 

That forceful prince in the foreign tribe sure didn’t care what Li Mo thought. I couldn’t believe when he told her that her important person is no longer her fate since the day she entered his village. For him Li Mo’s feelings didn’t matter.

 

I hated him with a passion.  For the reason you cited and everything else.  Did he just think she would really stay there forever, leaving behind her other life???  He thought very highly of himself, that's for sure.  I pity the women who does eventually end up with him.

 

Oh random observation because the video in the background just alerted me to the fact that it's on that scene where Coldblood and Li Mo reappear and the Princess goes running into his arms, but he sets her aside and goes after Li Mo: I love that he takes her hand as they walk off together.  HE HOLDS HER HAND.  And this is all before they make clear their feelings for each other.  :wub:

 

You could see he was sincerely concerned about her and felt burdened by what she was doing. When he told her that she should go back to the bureau, find a good man and get married, I admit that must have hurt but it was necessary for her to hear because he knew only the truth could help her to let go.

 

Agreed.  I give Coldblood props for that as well.  There were many times throughout the drama, even before he had feelings for Li Mo, where he tried to set the boundaries of their relationship.  (For example, when she tried to give him that special pillow thingy to sleep better because the weather was warm, and he declined.)  I also agree that you can tell how her unrelenting affections for him weighed on him -- and not in a, "he found it annoying" sort of way (like with the Princess) but that it was a responsibility he had to carry.  It's too bad Yao Hua who was so reasonable in most other things just couldn't give up on him.  Even her underlings mentioned to her on more than one occasion that it would be advisable for her to move on.  Sigh.

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@kokodus, I’m all too familiar with that saying if you don’t have anything good to say don’t say it at all. However, I don’t think what you’re saying is anything bad. It’s just your perception or take on his role in The Four. I didn’t like his role much at all in Classic Hills and Mountain. I watched that before The Four and didn’t like the story much either. I was surprised to hear it was adapted from a Japanese manga though. Just my two cents. ^_^ I’ll reiterate that I love him, WC and YY in their roles. Just like I don’t care much for rom-com, I generally prefer more serious characters in general so Wu Qin and Coldblood personalities suit my taste more. As as an aside, to show you how much tastes differ, I dropped Descendants of the Sun on episode 5 (I just didn’t like it at all) and it took me about six attempts to actually finish Secret Garden. In drama land I’m probably an outcast for admitting that. lol

 

@themarchioness, agreed. JC is very good. I always wondered why she’s not more successful or more well known after I watched The Four. Maybe she just doesn’t have the right connections or agency. 

 

You mean except when he was drunk and had all his things scattered across the rooom?  ;)  I can't say I have ever compared their floors . . . was Coldblood's dirty or do you just mean cluttered with things?  And you will  not be able to miss the pink flowered fabric now that I've pointed it out!  Haha.

 

Wu Qin’s wooden floors appeared generally clean and polished. I don’t remember if the wood seemed dirty when he was drunk though. Coldblood’s floor has some blemishes in the wood near the entrance and the carpet looks kind of dirty when the camera showed the cut waist tie from Li Mo’s maid outfit. lol However, I suppose in those days they didn’t have a vacuum closer but at least the carpet can be hung up outside and beaten to get rid of the dirt. 

 

They are toooo funny (and cute!).  You know that fan music video I posted a few weeks ago that has all their cute moments (including the one you described)?  I confess I watch it all the time.  LOL.  I just love that collection of the OTP's antics.

 

And that is exactly why I knew I had to watch H2H when I found out about it. I had to see them act together again. I have the music video saved too but most times I just go back and watch the show itself because I know exactly which episode to find the moments. In that scene, after he walks off, Li Mo kept pressing her chest as if to feel her heart beat. I guess she was so startled or could it be something else? Heh

 

Oh random observation because the video in the background just alerted me to the fact that it's on that scene where Coldblood and Li Mo reappear and the Princess goes running into his arms, but he sets her aside and goes after Li Mo: I love that he takes her hand as they walk off together.  HE HOLDS HER HAND.  And this is all before they make clear their feelings for each other.  :wub:

 

I loved that scene second after the one where he told them all that any move they make (to hurt Li Mo) would be a move against him. Even Chaser commented that it’s unlike Coldblood to act that way. Heh. About that scene where he takes Li Mo’s hand, I felt bad for YH though. I really think she wasted her life. I don’t understand her at all. Actually, I never understand these types of characters who can’t let go. How could they be so adamant about another person especially when they already confessed and the other person never encouraged them? 

 

And about him rejecting YH even before he fell for Li Mo, the clearest example is that time after he told her about the night of the massacre of his clan.  When she responded by suggesting that they get revenge together and he said something like, “YH, I told you this so you can be at ease. You have your own life and I have my own fate.” He clearly told her that they don’t share the same fate. 

 

I find it so curious that after getting together the only time Li Mo and him discussed his revenge at length was when he was trying to break up with her. He did mention his revenge the night he proposed to her but only briefly. 

 

Also, when he returned from Long Xi without Li Mo and was in her room sitting on her bed, it suddenly occurred to me that after they got together there was only one or two scenes of them together in the room now compared to many in the past when they were not together. It also probably reinforced Li Mo’s decision to leave since they weren’t talking and they still shared the same lodging. Talk about uncomfortable.

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@celebrianna We have completely different tastes. All the shows you have mentioned are my favourites and I have rewatched all of them plenty of times. LOL. I guess the only thing common between us is our love for H2H and Nan Xian. Kekeke. 

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@kokodus,

 

exactly. My tastes differ a lot from most posters on Soompi.

:D  Currently the threads I post on mostly have the same posters who love crime shows like I do. I mean, I am thoroughly enjoying Life on Mars and Come and Hug Me and there has been some discussion on those threads regarding why the shows are not getting as much attention but like some concluded, most Soompi members prefer shows like What’s Happening with Secretary Kim. :) Still, it’s funny to me that the crime shows I watch do end up getting higher ratings than rom-com on Mydramalist. We should all love what we like. I do like Ten Miles Blossoms too so not only H2H.

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