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[Mainland Chinese Drama 2015] The Four 少年四大名捕

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@celebrianna, Li Mo definitely formed a crush on Wu Qin.  You can see it in how she looked at him at times and then there was the whole embroidery thing that she was making for him.  It's understandable that her heart would be swayed by him considering how kind he was towards her and looked out for her.  Cold Blood, meanwhile, was always antagonistic towards her (and the feeling was returned).  But that also meant that sometimes when he did things for her, she missed it -- the example that comes immediately to mind is when he was yanking her around on purpose (making her clean his rooms and stuff) not realizing that she wasn't kidding around when she said she wasn't feeling well.  So then when she collapsed, Cold Blood was actually the first person by her side (and expressed concern that she really did have a fever and was not well) but when she woke up from her faint, Wu Qin was the one sitting by her bed.  

 

Wu Qin and Li Mo had bad timing because when she was interested in him, he was still hung up on Ru Yan and if anything, was always trying to smooth the path for Cold Blood by telling Li Mo that Cold Blood really wasn't that bad of a person and had reasons for why he was the way he was, etc.  Later after Wu Qin started to admire her, she was already with Cold Blood.  (I use the word "admire" there on purpose rather than develop feelings because he recognized it wasn't going to go anywhere so it was more a bittersweet sort of attachment that he felt towards Li Mo.)  

 

If I was ever to write a fanfic for this drama it would be about how Cold Blood gets jealous that Li Mo once embroidered something for Wu Qin and demands something of his own.  :lol:

 

ETA: It's interesting to think about what might have been had the timing not been off, but I still think ultimately it would've been Li Mo/Cold Blood because they're just :wub:

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@themarchioness, I kind of think Li Mo and Heartless don’t really suit each other. I feel like in front of Heartless she would try to act differently but when she’s with Coldblood she can act like herself. I guess it’s because I see Heartless more like a prince and more difficult to please from a romantic point of view. Even the way his place is setup seem kind of intimidating to me.

 

Looking at Ru Yan, I think both her and Heartless was more suited and they had more common interests (art, poetry, etc) and other such likes. I tend to think that the reason Li Mo is developing an affection for him is pretty much the same for why he was developing a crush on her later. In both times, it was because of the other’s kindness. Looking at her story with her cousin too, she told him that she always kept the kindness he’s shown her in her heart and that’s probably why she thought she was in love with him. But back to Heartless, I kind of can’t see them together because she’s so boisterous and unlike Ru Yan. The princess he meets later though reminded me more of his taste but of course this guy doesn’t have any fortune in romance.

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Li Mo is a brave person. When nine tail was choking her and threatening Coldblood with Li Mo’s life, Li Mo was still encouraging Coldblood to disregard her life and not give in the Nine tail. This is the first instance but if memory serves me well she does this three more times. Twice for Coldblood and once for Yao Hua and once for Heartless.

 

Eh, I couldn’t agree with Coldblood for scolding Li Mo for doing her job as an overseer on the exam. She wasn’t wrong to stop the girl’s cheating. So unreasonable of him. I kind of believe he published her with the chores because of the exam incident. So bias. But wait, did Li Mo dip her face in his cooking water? LOL

 

I have to believe that Li Mo would not have agreed to be a live target for the Princess without the two female deputies persuading her it was an order that couldn’t be disobeyed because of the princess’ status.

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On 6/15/2018 at 11:33 PM, celebrianna said:

Li Mo is a brave person. When nine tail was choking her and threatening Coldblood with Li Mo’s life, Li Mo was still encouraging Coldblood to disregard her life and not give in the Nine tail. This is the first instance but if memory serves me well she does this three more times. Twice for Coldblood and once for Yao Hua and once for Heartless.

 

Eh, I couldn’t agree with Coldblood for scolding Li Mo for doing her job as an overseer on the exam. She wasn’t wrong to stop the girl’s cheating. So unreasonable of him. I kind of believe he published her with the chores because of the exam incident. So bias. But wait, did Li Mo dip her face in his cooking water? LOL

 

I have to believe that Li Mo would not have agreed to be a live target for the Princess without the two female deputies persuading her it was an order that couldn’t be disobeyed because of the princess’ status.

 

Very brave!  Does your count include the time she told Coldblood to not exchange her life in exchange for the emperor's seal?  (I loved when he told her they could always get the seal back again but there was only one her.  Sighs.)

 

He totally punished her for outing the cheating girl.  But he was wrong.  Like Zhuge Zhenwo later told her, even if that other girl had passed the exam now, what would happen if she ran into difficulties while on the job?  She wouldn't be able to cheat her way out of that situation.  It was just an unfortunate situation because if that girl did not pass the exam this time, a most unfortunate fate awaited her back home.  (Just another example of how much it sucked to be a female back then.)  I tend to think Coldblood overreacted in the way that he did because he'd known it was the wrong thing to do.  It took a bit of convincing on Yao Hua's part before he agreed but after he caved, he got shown up by Li Mo.  

 

And definitely, there's no way she would've agreed to be the target without being forced into it.  Coldblood and Yao Hua knew it too.

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@themarchioness, I forgot about the part on the cliff. It would be unfortunate if their mission failed but I was glad when Coldblood told her she was more important. So then that makes five times now. Truly a brave character.

 

That’s a vald interpretation of Coldblood’s response to Li Mo revealing the cheating test taker. It’s too bad that Li Mo then took the point of view of the others that she was wrong in exposing the girl. I was sorry for the girl too but, besides what Zhuge pointed out, Li Mo also had no way of knowing that Yao Hua and Coldblood was allowing the girl to cheat. 

 

I notice that after Li Mo saves Coldblood with her mind reading that became a pivotal moment in their relationship to one another. His manner to her became softer. I think one of the moments that signaled a hint of a “romantic” beginning was when he went to rescue her after she was set up as bait for the rapist. The look between them before he grabbed her hand to lead her out of the room said a lot. :wub:

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19 hours ago, celebrianna said:

I notice that after Li Mo saves Coldblood with her mind reading that became a pivotal moment in their relationship to one another. His manner to her became softer. I think one of the moments that signaled a hint of a “romantic” beginning was when he went to rescue her after she was set up as bait for the rapist. The look between them before he grabbed her hand to lead her out of the room said a lot. :wub:

 

Absolutely.  I love those shared moments, especially those intense ones where you know he's just lashing out at her because deep down he really cares.  I wanted to lock them in a room until they just went at each other and figured it out.  Who knew that would actually happen!  :lol:

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28 minutes ago, themarchioness said:

 

Absolutely.  I love those shared moments, especially those intense ones where you know he's just lashing out at her because deep down he really cares.  I wanted to lock them in a room until they just went at each other and figured it out.  Who knew that would actually happen!  :lol:

Were you upset when he was hugging Yao Hua outside the cave in the second to last episode? Some of timed comments on a Viki showed discontent. It didn’t bother me because I know clearly where his heart lie and during the conversation he also told Yao Hua that Li Mo can save her. I really just see it as him comforting her because she really was a mess. She wasted such precious time of her waning life on foolish pursuits. I confess I never understood how she can ignore her health to pursue love and why would she even want to burden someone when she was already dying.

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@celebrianna No, because the truth of the matter is he and Yao Hua have a connection.  They trained together at the Bureau and worked together for many years.  He may not be "in love" with her, but I believe there is love and affection in his regard for her.  She's family.  Add to that, he knows that she has never been fully well since taking that blow for him that one time and that she has always been in love with him.  Both those things weigh on his conscience. 

 

Honestly, I'd have thought less of him if he hadn't offered her comfort in that moment and there's nothing to be upset about in seeing him do so (reminder to upset viewers: she's basically on her death bed!).  Also, his relationship with Li Mo is solid and there's nothing to feel jealous/insecure about.  Clearly, Li Mo understood that as well and that's why her only question when he returned by himself was, "What about Yao Hua?" and not, "How could you leave me to go comfort another woman?" 

 

26 minutes ago, celebrianna said:

I confess I never understood how she can ignore her health to pursue love and why would she even want to burden someone when she was already dying.

 

Me either.  She was a complicated character -- especially considering she seemed to understand that Cold Blood wasn't (ultimately) meant for her, but seemed to not be able to help herself either (in trying to gain him).  ASG really twisted her up there in the end.  I'm glad that by the time she met her end (even if it was too little, too late) she returned to the correct path.  

 

It's funny you should raise this question though as I spent my morning commute thinking about her passing and wondering who would take her position over the female division of the Bureau.  :D All those under her seemed so not appropriate for the job, especially considering how they kept going after Li Mo.   

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OH!  I forgot to say -- any upset I felt in watching Coldblood comfort Yao Hua in the end related to H2H viewers being upset about the "lack of OTP time" in that drama.  :tongue:   I mentioned once before already that given viewer reactions to Yi Xin in H2H, I wondered how viewers reacted to The Four back in the day.  Just didn't seem fair (poor H2H... :tongue:)...

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@themarchioness , well said. I really loved the song that played when he was comforting her and they showed flashbacks of them when their partnership first began. It really hurt when I see her take one last look at him when he was going away to get the water for her and then she got ready to leave. So very sad. I always hoped she went back to that “bitter” lady and lived out her life there. I think she would do well there in the peace of the pasture with the soothing sound of the water  in the fish pond. 

 

As as far as a leader for the female deputies, I’m sure one will show up but definitely not among the current crop at the bureau. 

 

Regarding the upset over lack of OTP time, after watching H2H several times, my conviction has grown even more unshakable that any separation for the OTP flowed well with the story for me. Besides, watching WN hug NX for what felt like an eternity in the end was infinitely sweet. It made up for all the preceding angst for me. :wub: In this drama I admit the separation felt very long but at the same time they were missing each other so it wasn’t too bad because I think they realized just what the absence of the person they loved most felt like. 

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22 hours ago, celebrianna said:

I always hoped [Yao Hua] went back to that “bitter” lady and lived out her life there. I think she would do well there in the peace of the pasture with the soothing sound of the water  in the fish pond. 

 

Regarding the upset over lack of OTP time, after watching H2H several times, my conviction has grown even more unshakable that any separation for the OTP flowed well with the story for me. Besides, watching WN hug NX for what felt like an eternity in the end was infinitely sweet. It made up for all the preceding angst for me. :wub: In this drama I admit the separation felt very long but at the same time they were missing each other so it wasn’t too bad because I think they realized just what the absence of the person they loved most felt like. 

 

That would be nice if she did, but she seemed pretty certain that without whatever ASG was giving her to keep her life going, she'd be a goner.  I'm not sure even the bitter lady would be able to help her.  I do find it interesting that despite the various ways people were poisoned but then able to be treated in this drama, Yao Hua's incident from several years ago is something she has never been able to fully recover from.  It's like she was ill-fated from the beginning.  In any event, her comments to Cold Blood outside the cave seemed pretty final to me.  In the same way that animals will often go off to die on their own, rather than be around others, that's kind of Yao Hua's sudden disappearance felt to me.  It's a very sad image/thought and I'm just glad she was able to have her closure with Cold Blood before that happened -- I think it was equally good for him as well.

 

As for OTP screen time in this drama and H2H, you know you're preaching to the choir on that one!  I totally agree with you.  The separation in this drama was definitely longer and less necessary (they really could've shortened Li Mo's visit with the other clan, and I'm just grateful that later when he tried to break up with her out of noble sacrifice reasons, they kept that to only an episode and a half -- was afraid that too was going to drag out), but ultimately it was fine.  At a certain point, I accept that dramas will drag things out for the sake of dragging things out.  The separation in H2H though is still something I think flows with the narrative and am totally fine with.  

 

I have to confess though when it comes to rewatching, I find The Four infinitely easier to rewatch than H2H.  I love the latter drama of course, and as you well know, but it's just H2H puts me through such emotional upheavals when I'm watching.  It's perfect for when I need my heart wrenched and wrestled.  The Four, on the other hand, is my happy place -- the bickering, the cuteness, the sweetness, the intensity -- it's got it all.  All without making my heart go through the spin cycle.  :tongue:  I'm so glad I finally decided to watch this drama.  

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@themarchioness, YH dying alone in the wilderness is indeed a sad thought. I guess I just like to think that she had maybe a month left but it did seem as though ASG was basically keeping her alive from day to day. I believe her injury had something to do with her heart so maybe that’s why it was sapping her life away. Also, it might be that she didn’t get the proper treatment early on as implied by her father’s doctor friend.

 

I totally understand your take on rewatching. :D I get that way too where I just want to enjoy this drama without the emotional rollercoaster of H2H. However, I think it’s easy for me to rewatch H2H despite all the angst because the OTP never once wavered in their love for each other so I can put up with it.  I just love that kind of constancy in their love. I can also rewatch this drama because it’s so funny and sweet and intense and I really love the OTP and the other deputies. It’s definitely easier to rewatch than H2H since the road was smoother for the OTP.

 

Gosh, speaking of that arranged marriage, weren’t you proud of the way Li Mo decided to move on with her life and begin her search on her own for her mother? I mean, compare her determination to YH and the Princess. Coldblood rejected both and they refused to let go but Li Mo, who actually experienced his love, decided that there was nothing she could do since he wouldn’t be honest with her and the best thing she could do is leave since it would make him comfortable and she could start looking for her mom. I just love this girl. 

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2 hours ago, celebrianna said:

Also, it might be that she didn’t get the proper treatment early on as implied by her father’s doctor friend.

 

That's right.  I forgot about that, but that also raises other questions like: why didn't she get proper treatment?  Was it because it was not available at the time?  Did she put it off because she was too busy being worried about Cold Blood?   So many questions . . . 

 

4 hours ago, celebrianna said:

Gosh, speaking of that arranged marriage, weren’t you proud of the way Li Mo decided to move on with her life and begin her search on her own for her mother? I mean, compare her determination to YH and the Princess. Coldblood rejected both and they refused to let go but Li Mo, who actually experienced his love, decided that there was nothing she could do since he wouldn’t be honest with her and the best thing she could do is leave since it would make him comfortable and she could start looking for her mom. I just love this girl. 

 

OMGosh, yes!!!  I especially loved that when everyone else was mad at Cold Blood and blaming him for suddenly doing a 180 on Li Mo, she was like, "No.  He must be going through some difficulties right now."  I loved her unwavering faith in him and their love, her certainty that he must have his reasons, and her willingness to leave to make things easier for him.  It was so selfless and brave.  I also loved that any anger she felt towards Cold Blood was over his unwillingness to confide in her after having promised each other that they would always share their troubles with each other.  Of course I understand why he chose not to, but still.  This is why I love them, such a perfect pair - and partnership!  :wub:

 

 

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4 hours ago, celebrianna said:

 However, I think it’s easy for me to rewatch H2H despite all the angst because the OTP never once wavered in their love for each other so I can put up with it.  I just love that kind of constancy in their love.

 

Their constancy is the best part of H2H.  But it's still heart wrenching to watch them doubt and then suffer because of it.  I found myself railing at the screen again last night.  LOL.  And I haven't even gotten to the London part yet!!! 

 

I am a dichotomy of loving the angst but also being an angst weenie -- thriving upon it at times, but then being scared of it at other times.  :lol:  I do love H2H though, and I will always rewatch it as well.  in fact, one of the scenes I always gravitate towards is the one where she calls him from the airport and then everything that happens after - his confrontation with WR, learning the truth, and then just being utterly shattered by it.  I love the way it makes me feel when I watch it, haha.  But it's just when I need my happy place, it's got to be The Four.  I seriously can't get over either drama (still) and it's making it reallllly hard to move on to watch something else.  Sigh.

 

(I thought I'd better put this under a cut since wrong thread and all that... we really just need a JC/ZH thread so we can talk about both dramas at the same time.  :tongue: )

 

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@themarchioness, I tend to believe there wasn’t a special doctor around to give her the necessary treatment she needed. I’m still disappointed with her though because I really felt she needed to heed the doctor’s advice when he told her to quit her job in episode 16 or so. Spitting up blood should have scared her enough but just to be near Coldblood she insisted on continuing with her job. 

 

That’s right, she never for a moment believed his act. She tried her best to get him to tell her the truth before finally deciding to leave. She really meant to leave too because after she left the bureau she didn’t look back until she heard the shout of her name. I’m glad she scolded him for shutting her out. I still don’t understand why he didn’t tell her the truth though. She already figured out he was sacrificing himself for a reason. 

 

I haven’t watched H2H in over a week now. I think I have it memorized much like this drama so I can live on the memory for a while until I need a recharge. LOL 

The London part is painful to watch especially when I see WN self destructing back in China because NX wouldn’t return her text or call. I get a lot of satisfaction over him coming back to China and WN leaving him behind. I feel like a yo-yo a lot of the times between these two. However, I think the first 16 episodes are easier to watch in terms of lesser angst then the episodes after she returns to China to help NX. The hardest block for me is episodes 17 - 25. Way too much angst on both sides but I can endure it because during that time no matter how rocky their relationship became they still rejected the person next to them who offered them another path to love in episodes 21 - 26. 

I can tell you that I watched this drama last summer and I still love it very much so I’m very glad to hear that you enjoy it. You will most likely move on to other drama shows in time but there’s nothing to fear. I moved on to other drama shows after being stuck on this show for a while but guess what?  This drama is always in my watch queue to watch and enjoy anytime I want for as long as the license last on Viki. I already did my research and I know it is also on other websites just in case the license expires soon. ^_^ It’s kind of funny to me that I have watched a lot of drama shows since then and 99% of them I would never rewatch but this show I would rewatch in a heartbeat. :wub:

 

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1 hour ago, angelangie said:

lols u guys rewatching 'The Four' for Janice and Zhang Han? :) 

I watched it for the first time after seeing them in Here to heart. LOL. Their chemistry is out of the world in both the dramas...

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3 hours ago, angelangie said:

lols u guys rewatching 'The Four' for Janice and Zhang Han? :) 

I’m rewatching it for them and the other deputies. ^_^ Besides, it’s pretty funny at times and I like the young cast. 

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