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7 hours ago, carambsk said:

@Adora Dark If you don't mind, I hope you can answer questions from this newbie fan...

 

1) Why didn't JH attend JK's concert - is it because she was shooting her movie?  I felt that if they were a couple, she would be there no matter what, and being with other RM members would be the perfect 'cover'.  But then I also know that movie/TV shoots are gruelling and sometimes very far, so I didn't include this in my red flag list, although it makes me wonder.

 

2) Who is Tiny Oppa to JK?  It seems he's very important to JK, and seeing him very close to JH makes me smile. 

 

 


I'm not less of a newbie than you are, I only started watching RM this past April. :lol: I just have consumed a lot of content in a short time lol

2) James “Tiny” Kim is an old friend of KJK who lives in Koreatown, LA. They certainly are very close, as they both keep visiting each other in LA and Korea respectively. Just like you mention, Tiny seems to single out SJH whenever he is at the set of RM, he consistently takes photos with her, always having something nice or funny to share about his "sister", something that he doesn't do with the rest members as frequently. Also, I find it slightly suspicious how KJK is rarely pictured in said photos. Ask yourself, if you have been introduced to a nice person through your best friend, and you all have ended up sharing an amicable relationship with absolutely nothing hidden, wouldn't you take photos with both of them considering you visit their common workplace fairly often? Certainly not every single time you do, but at least sometimes ? With the exception of some earlier pictures, the only relatively recent photo that Tiny uploaded featuring both SJH & KJK was the one taken last December in the snowy scenery, at a time the shift towards the Spartace love line had already been decided - so, in the weeks/months to come, they would always have that as a justification. Moreover, the fact that Tiny's closeness to SJH has remained unchanged through the years reinforces the idea that, if Spartace once were lovers, they haven't broken up and still are.

1) Firstly, let me say I had wondered this myself. Now, I am not really an avid fan of SJH (perhaps other people are more familiar with her projects and scheduled appearances) but indeed KJK's much anticipated solo concerts collided with the period she was intensively shooting "Daughter". I remember members here mentioning that she looked tired in some episodes. Since you specifically mention the concert YJS, LKS and JSM also attended, people often overlook that everything was taking place within the boundaries of a TV show, My Ugly Duckling. I am not implying that his colleagues wouldn't honour him otherwise, but there's a big difference between concerts where guests are only captured on fancams (i.e. SJH's attending previous KJK-related events) and concerts where a full TV crew is present, dressing rooms are loaded with cameras and the final result is both scripted and edited. Working in a TV channel comes with responsibilities that transcend the needs of one show, it's a common practice for celebrities to support shows of the same network, they can be contractually obliged or, generally speaking, do it for additional cash/as a favour. Again, I'm not doubting YJS/LKS/JSM's camaraderie with KJK, but their presence in a MUD's episode was also part of business, no matter if other shippers are daydreaming. As for SJH, she has been to Turbo's concert in the past, as well as the opening of KJK & HH's restaurant, without a TV show recording her every move. If she is indeed in a relationship with KJK, I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't attend all of his concerts even when her working schedule isn't an obstacle. They are not in the beginning of their romantic liaison anymore. There's also the possibility they wanted to keep it low and avoid further rumours for a while, as that concert took place right when the heavy teasing of the love line came to an abrupt pause. But, most importantly, I think if she is indeed his lover, she will just stay backstage/pick him up after along with his entourage, and thus they'll never admit publically she was present in more concerts than we actually know.

 

 

7 hours ago, linzer03 said:

Just to add, SJH almost exclusively teases KJK in love lines, while she never teased LKS, KG, or any of the other members nearly as much. She does tease them from time to time, but she goes out of her way to tease KJK, and she's done so since the very early days. I don't know about y'all, but when I'm seeing a guy, I tease him about other women, saying things like "Ohh so that's your type". It's fun, and a teasing/light expression of jealousy. I think it's a pretty normal thing (at least for me?), and add that to KJK's on screen persona as @Adora Dark said, I think SJH's teasing of KJK with other women on the show makes sense.  


Honestly, I am the same. And I see this from older, settled-down couples too, they will both positively comment on a third person's physical traits, often in taunting mood towards each other. SJH teasing KJK about other women doesn't automatically exclude her as a bride candidate, if anything it enhances her place considering how involved she was every time she said or did something. Now, taking into account that playing along with a love line is what they are supposed to do for the needs of the show, we shouldn't expect anything less from SJH. We're actually lucky that RM has been going on for 9 years, with each episode being the product of long-lasting shooting, hence occasionally fleeting moments of Spartace unwillingness and jealousy during love lines have slipped the editors' group.

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Hello guys! I hope you are all fine. :) I finished watching the latest episode of RM and the thing that struck me the most was the opening part about making poem. What I can say is "SPARTACE is driving me crazy!" Being with spartace is like DANCING bare feet in the middle of the road, when the tarmac is too HOT but I'm having too much fun to care!

 

The poem written by SJH eonnie, hmmmm. Kinda suspicious though. But KJK...KJK oppa just stays quiet in the corner and gulps down his water. No denial or whatsoever. Aigooo. Really driving me crazy... Yoo Jae Suk teasing them is like "hmmmm... I think there is a chance..."

 

Anyway, can't wait for the the upcoming RM episode. :)  Cheers! ;) 

 

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just wanna add to what @Adora Dark have said about JH attending JK concert. 

first of all, just because noone saw her in many of kjk's concert, doesn't mean she didn't attend it. maybe she's in the backstage, avoiding unnecessary publicity.

second, her schedule is really tight. i think she really wanted to go to kjk concerts to support him, but her schedule prevent her. the one moment she does that, kjk look very worried, kinda apologetic because it took around 2 hours for her go to to the venue.

i think kjk would rather to see her rest at home, taking care of her health. beside, support could come in many ways, right ?

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15 hours ago, linzer03 said:

 

Sometimes it's important not to over analyze a single moment. It's very easy to take a snapshot picture or a short interaction between two people and come up with all sorts of explanations. We have to remember that they're on a show where they have characters to follow and we only see a fraction of footage from a day of shooting. Just because we want to see KJK and SJH acting besotted with each other all the time, the truth is couples (especially long-lasting couples) aren't going to be constantly gazing at each other and standing next to each other. When you add up all of spartace's suspicious moments (the interactions when they don't think the cameras are focused on them, things other RM members have said, scenes of them looking at each other), I believe it outweighs the few times where the short clips we see make it appear that they're not together. 

 

 

I absolutely agree. 

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Re: the poem from JH...

 

( - )

How scripted is RM?  To what level is it scripted?  Would they tell JH "Hey make a poem about JK where you mention marriage and babies" OR just "Hey, sit to his left so you can make a poem about him".  If it's the former, then everything is understandable I guess.  Everything, including the teasing, could have been just part of a script.  If it's the latter, she could have just played along with the loveline by writing something cute and funny about him, it didn't have to be marriage.  So JH choosing the topic could be interpreted as a heartfelt message for someone she deeply cares about.

 

( + ) 

JK looked really uncomfortable and flustered and shy, just drinking water, seemingly not knowing how to react.  JH looked really shy especially after JS made the first comment.  The way she 'denied' it was different. The comment of SJ was so awkward.  The teasing could have been organic.  The way they came up with "That's me", seemingly didn't look like it was part of a script.

 

It really could go either way, but I choose to go with the ( + ) although I can't totally ignore the ( - ).

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Would like to get your opinions on this. 

 

IF they are indeed together now, if they have been together for several years already...

 

1) Why do you think they haven't admitted it yet?  They're getting old, it has been several years, so why?  If it's for the show, how important is the show versus their personal lives?  If it's for the show, how long will they keep it up?  

 

2) What will happen to them when they finally admit it to the public?  Will the public be able to forgive them for the lies and denials, especially with JK being on a show like MUD?

 

Again, this is assuming that they are indeed together, and that they've been together for several years already.  And I understand that all replies to these questions are just speculations and guesses.

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11 hours ago, Adora Dark said:


1) Firstly, let me say I had wondered this myself. Now, I am not really an avid fan of SJH (perhaps other people are more familiar with her projects and scheduled appearances) but indeed KJK's much anticipated solo concerts collided with the period she was intensively shooting "Daughter". I remember members here mentioning that she looked tired in some episodes. Since you specifically mention the concert YJS, LKS and JSM also attended, people often overlook that everything was taking place within the boundaries of a TV show, My Ugly Duckling. I am not implying that his colleagues wouldn't honour him otherwise, but there's a big difference between concerts where guests are only captured on fancams (i.e. SJH's attending previous KJK-related events) and concerts where a full TV crew is present, dressing rooms are loaded with cameras and the final result is both scripted and edited. Working in a TV channel comes with responsibilities that transcend the needs of one show, it's a common practice for celebrities to support shows of the same network, they can be contractually obliged or, generally speaking, do it for additional cash/as a favour. Again, I'm not doubting YJS/LKS/JSM's camaraderie with KJK, but their presence in a MUD's episode was also part of business, no matter if other shippers are daydreaming. As for SJH, she has been to Turbo's concert in the past, as well as the opening of KJK & HH's restaurant, without a TV show recording her every move. If she is indeed in a relationship with KJK, I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't attend all of his concerts even when her working schedule isn't an obstacle. They are not in the beginning of their romantic liaison anymore. There's also the possibility they wanted to keep it low and avoid further rumours for a while, as that concert took place right when the heavy teasing of the love line came to an abrupt pause. But, most importantly, I think if she is indeed his lover, she will just stay backstage/pick him up after along with his entourage, and thus they'll never admit publically she was present in more concerts than we actually know.
 

 

My uneasiness is really more of a projection about what I think should be done in a relationship.  It was his first solo concert in 9 years (please correct me if I'm wrong), and I think a significant other should do everything to be there, whether or not there are cameras for a show.  But again, this is what I think should be done.  I also know that all couples are different, all situations are different.  She really could have been busy with the movie.  

 

I've just begun reading the forum pages about the concert, I need to look for more info on the letter he wrote.  

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On 4/8/2019 at 10:17 PM, mn0096 said:

...When doubt settles in, I always fall back on that time he said it would be good for SA to get married. At the time, he had no reason to say it unless it was true. He thought RM had ended, and IMO was helping SA pave the way for a reveal. I’m not going to post that moment here, since I’m sure you have all seen it. Take a good look at it, again. YJS looked a bit sad because SA got fired, but he also looked very serious when he blessed them. Again, he publicly gave them his blessings that day. That was huge. He seems to be doing the same thing right now, but within the context of RM. Fingers crossed as always, but let’s all be patient. 

 

 

Hi guys, could someone kindly send me the link to this?  I don't think I've seen this yet.

Thank you!

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@carambsk,


IMO, YJS “blessed” SA that day because everyone (including him) thought RM had ended. There was no reason to set up a LL, plus SA had just been hurt so no way was YJS stupid or a bad person to want to hurt them more by starting romance rumors about them. Instead, in every way possible, he was trying to help them, perhaps trying to pre-block netizen backlash when SA announce. He talked about marriage around 1:08. In case anyone still thinks this was for a LL, remember that talks about SA getting married or taking advantage of YJS’s words for a LL were quickly dropped once it was agreed that RM would continue. All the members and staff seemingly got amnesia, LOL. :) 

 

 

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2 hours ago, carambsk said:

Would like to get your opinions on this. 

 

IF they are indeed together now, if they have been together for several years already...

 

1) Why do you think they haven't admitted it yet?  They're getting old, it has been several years, so why?  If it's for the show, how important is the show versus their personal lives?  If it's for the show, how long will they keep it up?  

 

2) What will happen to them when they finally admit it to the public?  Will the public be able to forgive them for the lies and denials, especially with JK being on a show like MUD?

 

Again, this is assuming that they are indeed together, and that they've been together for several years already.  And I understand that all replies to these questions are just speculations and guesses.

this is from my point of view

 

JK and JH have known each other from 8 or 9 years ago. You can see their process in RM.


For the issue of a joint relationship between JK and JH, I'm sure this forum has its own answers.

 

1. (if JK and JH had a serious relationship)
to acknowledge a relationship between JK and JH is not easy as long as they are still in the RM, and if you say the relationship between JK and JH is only a show in RM, you are mistaken, (why does the RM always deduct when JK interacts with JH? ) and in my opinion the RM will soon be over.

 

2. I don't think it's a problem for the public if they acknowledge the relationship and I'm sure the public will also feel happy if JK and JH go through the relationship (40% happy, 30% sad, 20% angry, and 10% neutral). now I ask you, do you know what the concept of MUD is and do you see JK close to women in MUD? if in my opinion the MUD concept is not a matchmaking event, but a male and female event that is still single, so the conclusion is that the MUD will not negatively impact JK dan JH.

 

everything I write is my opinion ... ^^

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I think RM and career's the one that block the official declaration of the SA couple, if they serious / already in a relationship etc etc...

 

Mind you, if they already in a relationship, then SA beats Dispatch in term of keeping it secret...

 

From past episode, there was even a statements said that Dispatch bored with KJK since KJK life is so boring a.k.a work, home, gym and rinse and repeat...

 

If during that time SA already in a relationship, means they are actually having their date during RM session and off cam...

 

You know, as a RM fans, I seriously would hate if RM ends soon, but then if the end of the shows means SA can start declare official, then I will see it as a necessary sacrifice...

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18 minutes ago, Xonos said:

I think RM and career's the one that block the official declaration of the SA couple, if they serious / already in a relationship etc etc...

 

Mind you, if they already in a relationship, then SA beats Dispatch in term of keeping it secret...

 

From past episode, there was even a statements said that Dispatch bored with KJK since KJK life is so boring a.k.a work, home, gym and rinse and repeat...

 

If during that time SA already in a relationship, means they are actually having their date during RM session and off cam...

 

You know, as a RM fans, I seriously would hate if RM ends soon, but then if the end of the shows means SA can start declare official, then I will see it as a necessary sacrifice...

Same here, i would hate to see RM ended..but if its necessary to pave the way for JK and JH to be together, in my opinion its should be done. They’re not getting any younger.

 

My analysis regarding JH willingness to dove into on screen LL is because they work so hard on that persona in RM and in a lot of other variety show and if they both caught in a relationship, so many questions will arise. So in my opinion they took the long road and make the viewer accustomed to the IDEA of start of the relationship. Everything must have a start and a finish, so they plant the idea now on how its all started.

 

if the relationship starts when JK is still in MUD, then there will be complicated questions since the show concept and what not.

 

We all know when it began, but that doesnt apply to the whole viewers, so now they plant the idea in order to make a great cover up story.

 

Kim Hee Chul knows about the relationship, thats why he tease JH in KB. And we all know that KHC do this to idols that is secretly dating.

 

Btw, my delulu mind have come up with the most satisfying ending. Lol.

what if the last episode is about JK & JH announcing their relationship. Although this probably will never happen, it will be the single greatest memorable moment in the entire show for me since both of the aces are single and so many adore them as a couple.

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@mn0096 Thank you for the link!  I watched that once but didn't notice that.  Good thing I asked, I got to watch it again, with context!  It is indeed a big thing for him to say that, at a time when everyone thought the show was going to end.  When did the news of the show continuing come out?  Was it January or February 2017?  If you don't mind, I'd also like to ask what the consensus was on the firing - is it possible that they were fired because they were a couple?

 

@lmx.zero Hi, I did not say "the relationship between JK and JH is only a show in RM".  To your next point, I asked the second question thinking that MUD was a show about single people.  If they are together, then it could be interpreted that he is somewhat misleading people.  I ask about the public's reaction because I tend to see Knetz as very unforgiving, conservative, and reacting extremely to different situations, based on the little I know and seen in the media.  I have to admit that this is a generalization on my part.  However, I wouldn't say it's unfounded, because there have been incidents.  This is why I'm asking for opinions.

 

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5 hours ago, carambsk said:

Would like to get your opinions on this. 

 

IF they are indeed together now, if they have been together for several years already...

 

1) Why do you think they haven't admitted it yet?  They're getting old, it has been several years, so why?  If it's for the show, how important is the show versus their personal lives?  If it's for the show, how long will they keep it up?  

 

2) What will happen to them when they finally admit it to the public?  Will the public be able to forgive them for the lies and denials, especially with JK being on a show like MUD?

 

Again, this is assuming that they are indeed together, and that they've been together for several years already.  And I understand that all replies to these questions are just speculations and guesses.

1. the show is not just about kjk and sjh, or just about the members, but the staff too. i don't know exactly how many, but the staff numbers are around 100 or more. imagine if SA being selfish and annouced without any consideration, thus lead to the show being stopped earlier than it should be, how many person lost their jobs ? 

knowing both person are really humble and nice, i don't think they would want to take that risk.

i dunno for how long, but many speculated that the show will ended near the future, maybe 1 or 2 more year. we just have to wait and see.

 

2. i won't really worried about what would they say to the public though. they could always came up with many stories or excuses. 

 

just wanna add this, but we should take into account that both of them are celebrities. 

there are so many things they should consider when they want to do or say something, or else it would end up in a scandal.

different from us common people who could say or do something and it wouldn't gain many that much attention from other people.

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I don't know about other people on here, but even if spartace have been dating for 7 years or whatnot, I don't think they will admit that to the public. Then, they'd have to explain that they were dating during MC, during SJH's time on WGM, and KJK's time on MUD. It's just messy and confusing, and a lot of people wouldn't understand how to separate work from real life. Likely, they'll say they started dating some time in the last year (e.g. around when the love line started). Most of the general audience will accept that and not ask questions. 

 

I think the public response will be largely positive to neutral. We can't mistake the vocal antis online for the general population lol. Most people don't care or will be happy to see them in a relationship regardless of who it was as long as KJK/SJH's partners aren't entirely unsuitable. Spartace aren't an outlandish concept like they were in 2015. They've been associated romantically a number of times. Their announcement would be surprising, but not out of nowhere. From what I've seen, most people dislike spartace because of the shippers, and not because they'd be against it if KJK and SJH announced they were dating in real life. They just don't think it's possible in real life, so they're against the fans pushing spartace on KJK and SJH. The dislike is at fans, not at KJK and SJH. Will there be antis if spartace announces? Of course. But when is there not. 

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Hi guys! Missed all of you SA loyal fans :wink:
I won't add much since most of the points were answered in above posts. 
I want to talk about SJH's letter in the latest episode. As a long term SA shipper, I don't pay much attention into screen display moments even if they are natural. For me, the most interesting moments are those in the background, those that are not directed for the camera, instead I prefer and I find more meaning in those moments where the camera always shift away from SA to the point where sometimes, it results in an unbalanced/unprofessional cuts done by the editing team. 
 

@mn0096 's shared video above is one of the honest moments coming from the member's mouths. In no way was YJS trying to inflect more pain to the already wounded SA after the firing incident or even worse spreading rumors about the "why those two?", for those who didn't know or new shippers, in the early year of 2016, SA were engolfed in dating rumors, some news even talked about them visiting wedding halls and it was a huge scandal especially in south korea, so would YJS add fuel to the gas by displaying his support to SA asking them to get married especially under those circumtances??. Also, that episode was shot with 80% confirmation that RM will end soon, it was an episode where members and PDs apologized to SA and to the viewers. So apart from that one direct moment of honesty coming from the wise and veteran YJS, all other on screen moments don't ring a bell on me and they are not the reason why I ship KJK nad SJH together. And so back with the letter case, be it because the sitting arrangement was scripted, the content of the letter (which I highly doubt) was also scripted is not the main reason people ship those two together. 
 

I don't have access to many SA moments in hand right now so I want to share a one moment here with you that really means a lot to me, because however you look at it, it's just supicious. The footage that the editing team used was not a convenient one, knowing that there were lots of cameras that definitely shot all the members from different angles. The two talking were JSJ and LKS however the angle cut KJK-SJH-LKS-JSJ and only showed a shy/speechless HAHA, a teasing YJS pointing to SA while asking for a cut, with a "pick a boo" YSC, LOL.

 

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47 minutes ago, linzer03 said:

I don't know about other people on here, but even if spartace have been dating for 7 years or whatnot, I don't think they will admit that to the public. Then, they'd have to explain that they were dating during MC, during SJH's time on WGM, and KJK's time on MUD. It's just messy and confusing, and a lot of people wouldn't understand how to separate work from real life. Likely, they'll say they started dating some time in the last year (e.g. around when the love line started). Most of the general audience will accept that and not ask questions. 

 

Now that's a thought.  I was wracking my brain thinking of how they can get away with an announcement smoothly, because of precisely the potential mess that you mentioned, and yes, being vague about timelines or changing the timelines seems like a good way to do it.

 

48 minutes ago, linzer03 said:

 

I think the public response will be largely positive to neutral. We can't mistake the vocal antis online for the general population lol. Most people don't care or will be happy to see them in a relationship regardless of who it was as long as KJK/SJH's partners aren't entirely unsuitable. Spartace aren't an outlandish concept like they were in 2015. They've been associated romantically a number of times. Their announcement would be surprising, but not out of nowhere. From what I've seen, most people dislike spartace because of the shippers, and not because they'd be against it if KJK and SJH announced they were dating in real life. They just don't think it's possible in real life, so they're against the fans pushing spartace on KJK and SJH. The dislike is at fans, not at KJK and SJH. Will there be antis if spartace announces? Of course. But when is there not. 

 

I asked about this because of stories I've encountered, mostly of supposed fans, not haters or antis.  An example - several fansites closed when an idol was rumored to be dating (the fansites didn't explain why, seeminly to protect the idol still, but they closed 3 days apart). There was another idol caught having coffee (no announcement!) with a girl near a fanmeet event and the fans felt "betrayed".  There are more, like Kang Daniel and Jihyo - he lost some fans at that time.  I was thinking - is this just for idols?  And then I remembered the Songsong couple, they had to apologize when they announced their wedding.  This is a generalization based on a few stories and celebs, but it seems that Knetz fans feel betrayed when they find out their favorites were dating secretly.  But your post and the memory of the Songsong couple's announcement reminded me that they had more fans who loved them than fans who were disappointed.  I am hoping that the individual fans of JH and JK will still love them even after an admission (or being caught), and not feel betrayed.  I asked for opinions because I am not familiar with the individual fanbases yet.  For sure, there will be no problem with the Spartace fans, if/when that happens, it will be a celebration! :)

 

 

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5 minutes ago, saissuspicious said:

For me, the most interesting moments are those in the background, those that are not directed for the camera, instead I prefer and I find more meaning in those moments where the camera always shift away from SA to the point where sometimes, it results in an unbalanced/unprofessional cuts done by the editing team. 

 

Absolutely agree.  It's those moments that are most telling, I think.  Consistent, over the years, many moments put together.  I saved a few videos on IG, and the ones I saved are precisely those background moments.  

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I "hate" my babbler self right now because I've started this hours ago (I was at the office, so I could only steal a few minutes each time) and still I failed to talk about SJH & the latest Spartace scene. Anyway, here it goes:
 

9 hours ago, carambsk said:

1) Why do you think they haven't admitted it yet?  They're getting old, it has been several years, so why?  If it's for the show, how important is the show versus their personal lives?  If it's for the show, how long will they keep it up?  

 

2) What will happen to them when they finally admit it to the public?  Will the public be able to forgive them for the lies and denials, especially with JK being on a show like MUD?

 


1) - The common practice in Korean entertainment industry is to officially announce when the relationship is stabilised or when marriage is among the future plans. Therefore - and unlike the norms in the West - a lot of celebrities don't reveal casual relationships or, when it comes to serious ones, they still keep the first months/years hidden until the official commitment.

- KJK has concealed everything about his love life for over two decades and will continue, per his admission, to do so until he is one step before the altar. 

- Work related reasons always delay marriages. In an older interview, SJH had expressed her desire to focus on her career and that she wasn't in a rush to get married. Moreover, in an episode of RM, she had given us an insight into her stance towards marriage, by pretty much admitting she wouldn't be in RM anymore if she had been married. She didn't even round her words like this, she actually said "I'd be one man's wife." Sadly, this is a reality in the conservative world she works, often female celebrities bear the cost of having a new family.

- Although it's more unclear in KJK's case, because he has long now maintained his fervid longing for marriage, I wouldn't rule out career oriented reasons. I don't doubt his sincerity in regards to creating his own family, but I feel the exaggerated zeal he exhibits along with his inability to find "the one" are all part of his public image. I think he would rather proceed in his own pace and said pace doesn't necessarily align with the pressure from the media & the wishful thinking of the fanbase. The truth is this public image creates buzz as well as lands him new projects. Half KJK's career revolves around reality TV. He wouldn't have participated in Ding Ge Long Dong Qiang if he had a public girlfriend. He wouldn't be in My Ugly Duckling if he wasn't single, which further means that committing to this show postpones any marriage arrangements to a later date. (It's worth mentioning that both the existence of Monday Couple and SJH's obligations in WAIL during 2016 have also contributed to the overall delay.)

- Personal reasons related to health issues, family members, financial investments etc. always influence a couple's decisions and we would have no way of knowing any of them.

- The biggest obstacle, however, has always been RM. An open relationship in the show would completely change the dynamics and eventually jeopardise its future. The following are KJK's own words in regards to MC dating (the question was for SJH btw, but he playfully shoved her and told her to be quiet) : "In fact, as much as they want to go on a serious date, because of the programme, RM will face a risk of cancellation, so isn't it better they stay this way?". When KJK himself bluntly brings the factor "cancellation" onto the table, what's more to wonder? It's plain obvious that if Spartace are indeed a couple, they will have to first disengage from their RM contracts and then proceed with public announcements.

Now, why would they seemingly prioritise this show over their personal life? Firstly, we don't know what breaking a contract with a channel like SBS entails. When KG left RM, it was to focus on his music career and be able to start his own family, as a matter of fact he vanished from the TV. However, KG isn't the TV entertainer that KJK is. In this demanding & contolling industry, we don't know the impact a premature departure would have on his career. This is the same man who, in reference to his health problems and how they impeded his place in the show, confessed "But I knew that if I gave this up, I wouldn't be invited to appear on other programmes." And he said this at a time he was already a well established singer and an internationally acclaimed variety star. Secondly, we don't know anything about the negotiations and offers made back when Nam PD approached KJK first with the proposal to continue the show. We are not aware of the old and new parameters added to their contracts. It was an opportunity back then for them to finish the show and, ideally, focus on their private life/rest projects, yet they discarded it and it's naive to believe they would agree on continuing RM solely out of sheer love for it, without their decision being beneficial for their life/careers too, possibly outweighing any drawbacks. That said, thirdly, loyatly and gratitude towards the rest RM members as well as their devoted fans - who supported them throughout their entire mistreatment in late 2016 - would play a role in their seeing RM to the end, rather than leaving early. Lastly, for all the reasons I mentioned previously, perhaps their personal goals and needs coordinate with staying in RM better than the fans think. Thus, they have accepted the price of not disclosing their relationship as long as RM is still airing.

In relation to their age and their ability to have a big family, which is often brought up by fans in disbelief via questions like "Shouldn't they have got married by now? They are not getting any younger", everyone should keep in mind there are treatments and methods (i.e. freezing eggs) that people around the world use extensively, especially if their economic status permits it. So I don't think a reasonable marriage delay would create serious problems on that front either. Assuming of course SJH wants to have kids in the first place (I know she has previously said she'd like to have 3-4, but I tend to be cautious with whatever is said when addressing to a not so progressive audience).

The combination of all the above is my reasoning as to why KJK & SJH haven't been public about their love life yet, whether they are in a relationship with each other or someone else. I do think it's a rather interesting "coincidence" how, throughout the last 7 years of RM, we eventually got dating/marriage/pregnancy news about every single member of the old gang (including SJK and KG) except for those two.


2) For a while I was asking myself the same questions, because at first the possible backlash looked in my mind way too challenging to handle. Until my friend pointed out to me two simple facts:
 

- Everyone has been anticipating KJK's "good news" for so many years, that the happiness and relief spread to the fans when he finally announces his marriage will quickly overshadow any bitter minority. The majority won't say "Yes, but in X interview X years ago, you claimed you were family", they just won't care if two people at their 40s used to say they can't date. Koreans have a lot of other, more serious scandals to rant about.

- Does anyone hate Kang Gary? He and SJH successfully played the TV couple for years and, as proven eventually, a good portion of that period he was involved with someone else. His sudden marriage and wife's pregnancy took everyone by surprise, even if the news left a lot of fans heartbroken at the time, what's the general consensus now?

Adding to the above, SJH's fans will similarly support her as, to my understanding, the objections to Spartace were more about her involvement in yet another love line after MC with whatever this includes (scripted skits, obsessed fans etc.), rather than Spartace as an actual couple. Moreover, I think the Korean fanbase is accustomed to celebrities using similar excuses to hide their relationships. Besides there's a difference between fans learning the truth about their bias through rumours, gossip articles, paparazzi photos & videos and celebrities (agencies) themselves announcing. Lastly, if they really have to defend themselves to fend off any negative response to their "lies", there are various justifications to utilise; from saying they had to put their work first to claiming they recently decided to give romance a shot. They would never admit they're together since 2013 anyway and, like all celebrities, they have probably accepted there will always be some frustrated fans, no matter what they do.

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