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@mn0096 Thanks for the explanation :) 

Like I said I wasn't able to watch the latest episodes of MUD yet but I completely understand what you meant by SBS not highlighting "enough" the HJY-KJK loveline when we all know how SBS handles those matters. 

 

I think KJK and even HJY are feeling the strong support from the knets and how their fandom is getting bigger day by day. So I believe neither one of them wants to be entangled in a loveline that will make them the subject of hate later on if one of them is revealed to be dating someone else. We all know how SJH was treated when media revealed her relationship with her agency's CEO. When the loveline is big and very successful, the viewers think that both parties are in love so if a dating announcement breaks in, the one who is in a "real" relationship will be treated as a traitor. 

 

In the beginning of RM, KJK said that he will never ever be in a loveline with a fixed member because he knows its consequences. So him denying anything relating him romanticaly to HJY was a must from his part, because he is aware of the growing of the fandom of that loveline. I also think HJY is feeling the impact of her loveline with KJK. At the start of her loveline with KJK, HJY actually was acting like her usual self. Since the early years of RM, HJY would act like a romantic subject to KJK, nothing changed about that. Actually turning HJY into a semi-fixed member where the loveline was intense for almost two months, made HJY like a fixed member who has a loveline with KJK, which KJK tried to avoid from the start of RM. And so ifans and knets started to take serious interest in their equation. Not only that,, SBS dragged the loveline to MUD, a show with high rating and bigger viewers base.

 

I think both KJK and HJY are feeling the impact of the loveline and so KJK proceeded by denying any romantic relationship with HJY, now the problem is that HJY is the bubbly type and she acts almost the same way with other male celebs, but since the loveline dragged for like months now, maybe she is starting to feel the impact too, so hope she make it clear that it's only a loveline and nothing more. But even if she do that, which is sompething she already did by saying "she don't even talk to KJK outside of filming" but fans continue to ship them despite that. So I think the loveline will continue to exist as long as HJY is present in KJK's shows, so eventually, people will continue to ship them no matter what. 

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3 hours ago, Regita M. P said:

Personally, I'm happy SJH still shine like this.

 

BUT it means ... She will be busy 3 months again (moreless) for filming & about a good news for SA not for 3 months later.

Actually even if there is some announcement from SA in 2019, I think it's going to be in the second half of the year if not by its end. 

Also if the news are about getting married, knets don't act as agressively as dating rumors. Because knets thinks that marriage is something that takes months to be planned and can't be delayed, however a movie's date of release can't be fixed from the start, so they can't blame the couple about it. Also nowadays, knets don't appreciate the main leads who are in a romantic relationship to fake their closeness off camera just to increase ratings or grab viewers's attention. So I don't think this is going to be the case with SA. 

 

I also think that SA's equation will be clearer after January 2019, because KJK signed with MUD in January 2018 and his addition brought a lot to both KJK and MUD, so I don't think there will be any necessity to quit the show unless KJK is going to get married way before the end of 2019. There is also a possibility to have a shorter contract terms but I doubt it's going to happen unless it is a contract of 8 or 9 months term. 

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@mn0096 I washed MUD in KOCOWA and actualy the Hong sister where tasting food samples in the supermarket when the lady ask her about KJK and she has food in her mouth and the surprise question make her choked and her sister find it funny and HJY after coughing say I have now indigestion (according to kocowa translation as I dont know korean)

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3 hours ago, saissuspicious said:

Actually even if there is some announcement from SA in 2019, I think it's going to be in the second half of the year if not by its end. 

Also if the news are about getting married, knets don't act as agressively as dating rumors. Because knets thinks that marriage is something that takes months to be planned and can't be delayed, however a movie's date of release can't be fixed from the start, so they can't blame the couple about it. Also nowadays, knets don't appreciate the main leads who are in a romantic relationship to fake their closeness off camera just to increase ratings or grab viewers's attention. So I don't think this is going to be the case with SA. 

 

I also think that SA's equation will be clearer after January 2019, because KJK signed with MUD in January 2018 and his addition brought a lot to both KJK and MUD, so I don't think there will be any necessity to quit the show unless KJK is going to get married way before the end of 2019. There is also a possibility to have a shorter contract terms but I doubt it's going to happen unless it is a contract of 8 or 9 months term. 

 

Thanks for reply & explain it :)

 

I'm 100% agree w/ u ...

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11 hours ago, cleo47012 said:

@mn0096 I washed MUD in KOCOWA and actualy the Hong sister where tasting food samples in the supermarket when the lady ask her about KJK and she has food in her mouth and the surprise question make her choked and her sister find it funny and HJY after coughing say I have now indigestion (according to kocowa translation as I dont know korean)

Thank you for sharing with us. So it seems she was totally caught off guard/surprised by the sudden question to the extent that she chocked. I guess this is the case for anyone in lovelines, especially if the loveline is popular. They will be asked about the other half of their loveline no matter where they go. Even the KJK-YEH loveline only became quiet not too long ago. Till 2017 YEH was still mentioned in RM to tease JK hyung and was only mentioned by Jk hyung himself in one of the eps (can't remember the ep exactly but his answer to the question "who is the hottest singer?" was YEH and iirc jihyo noona's answer was Baby Vox). After that ep i don't think jk hyung ever mentioned yeh anymore. There were just some indirect references to their famous "Of Course" scene in Xman (most recently in Pajama Friends and RM couple ep with Seo In Ah). So basically it can be said the JK YEH loveline topic is almost gone. I doubt the members will also mention HJY again since Jk hyung has made it really clear there is nothing going on between them so i am sure the members will respect that and will not tease jk hyung with hjy anymore, unless SBS invites her again to RM for a couple race again or if MUD decides to just go with their idea of having a joint episode with HJY and JK hyung despite what JK hyung said. I believe HJY has more upcoming episodes so we have to wait and see whether SBS will want to rake in the profit/high ratings from the JK-HJY loveline. Pretty sure SBS is aware of the growing fanbase of that loveline not only among Ifans but even among Knetz who are very curious about that loveline. 

Also, since HJY is sort of a 'member' now in MUD, will she be attending the SBS Entertainment Awards in December? Also due to the RM family project for four weeks, I have a feeling the four fixed guests Kang Hana, Lee Da Hae, Lee Sangyeob and Hong Jin Young would be invited to the awards too and will join the members at the RM table. 

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@spartaceluv98 I would like to know if MUD fans that doesent follow JK or Running man like or hate HYJ-Kjk love line as HYJ appear twice in MUD previously of JK joining the show in love line with Park Soo Hong

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1 hour ago, cleo47012 said:

@spartaceluv98 I would like to know if MUD fans that doesent follow JK or Running man like or hate HYJ-Kjk love line as HYJ appear twice in MUD previously of JK joining the show in love line with Park Soo Hong

Sorry i really do not know the answer to that. But i do think generally Koreans are interested and curious about the HJYKJK loveline and are really curious about the relationship status of the two, since mostly they want to see jk hyung settle down and are curious whether that loveline can flourish into something more offscreen. 

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A portion of Pajama Friends ep 11 subbed by one of jk hyung's fanbase (full credit to the owner). The link is as below:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqtWC9VBrAe/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=l34osmdtca6

But the caption ("Real life sibling Jihyo who can't relate) was a bummer though. Perhaps Myuk PD just wanted to highlight them as siblings, just like when he was the pd for RM and MC was at its peak, Myuk PD has always labelled SA as siblings. Though i do hope shows will stop labelling SA as siblings though, because they are not siblings/family. I think that the siblings/family labelling, if used over and over again, will eventually make people believe they are just family/siblings and would not do justice if SA is real and reveals at some point later. 

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9 hours ago, spartaceluv98 said:

A portion of Pajama Friends ep 11 subbed by one of jk hyung's fanbase (full credit to the owner). The link is as below:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqtWC9VBrAe/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=l34osmdtca6

But the caption ("Real life sibling Jihyo who can't relate) was a bummer though. Perhaps Myuk PD just wanted to highlight them as siblings, just like when he was the pd for RM and MC was at its peak, Myuk PD has always labelled SA as siblings. Though i do hope shows will stop labelling SA as siblings though, because they are not siblings/family. I think that the siblings/family labelling, if used over and over again, will eventually make people believe they are just family/siblings and would not do justice if SA is real and reveals at some point later. 

 

What was the original korean caption? Anyone know?

 

Sometimes translators take dongsaeng/oppa/unnie too literally and translate them to English as "little sister"/"older brother"/"older sister". There's no real English equivalent to those words so translations can often be misleading. So I would double-check to make certain something similar isn't happening in this case.

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3 hours ago, linzer03 said:

Sometimes translators take dongsaeng/oppa/unnie too literally and translate them to English as "little sister"/"older brother"/"older sister". There's no real English equivalent to those words so translations can often be misleading. So I would double-check to make certain something similar isn't happening in this case.

 

Nerd, alert:

 

In case anyone wants to read up on the concept of “family,” (blood related or not) in SK, I’m attaching the following link. I’m not familiar with the site, so I can’t vouch for the validity of what it says. Nonetheless, the piece is fascinating, though slightly biased and a bit on the scholarly side (Sorry, about that). Basically, “family” for SK is based largely on Confuciunism. It’s very complex. My own culture has its version, but it’s complex as well, and difficult to explain to someone outside of it. I’m not even going to try, except to say that even if someone shares the same blood as mine, it’s very possible to still marry. Being blooded with someone (or their “real life” sibling) doesn’t always mean belonging to a nuclear family (mom, dad and their biological children). If I have to go there, which I won’t, the definition of “sibling” is equally complex within the concept of “family.” Nerd, out. :D 

 

https://asiasociety.org/education/value-and-meaning-korean-family

 

Shipper, alert

 

We’ve been blessed with so much good stuff re: SA, guys. I’m looking at my cup right now, and it’s more than half full. I’m thankful. 

 

Shipper, out:P :heart:

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@spartaceluv98 Yeah I checked it and the korean caption said "hyeon chil namae/현실 남매". And it was translated as "real life siblings". Actually I won't weigh a lot on the caption as much as the lovely, cute and touching moments we got throughout the whole cinderella boy segment. 

 

We also need to mention that there is two PDs in PJF show and so we are not sure who did the editing for the second episode, is it Myuk PD's decision or the other PD or simply the staff responsible for captions and sound effects edits. That's why I won't be sad or annoyed about that caption. In RM we hoped for years to label KJK and SJH as couple and when we got that, they switched back to "namae/siblings". So I think the use of siblings or couple depends more on SA's future plans. But I also agree with the fact that the consecutive use of siblings won't serve SA (if they are a couple) in the near future. If it was up to me I would have used "chingu/friend" instead of siblings but anyway, I don't think kviewers will pay as much attention to captions as international fans. So I kind of think that the caption was more to ifans to calm down a little bit, especially with all the new shippers who are pressuring SA and the people around them. I was ashamed when I read comments on IG asking Myuk PD to make more interactions between SA. Do these people think that Myuk PD will come to KJK and SJH and ask them to flirt or be lovey dovey on camera to satisfy shippers?? Of course NOT. And so here is pretty simple message to new SA shippers : "Please don't push two people to fake their interactions for you to be satisfied. We ship SA because we think they are real or hope they become real not because we seek an on screen romance, if so we would have watched some drama on TV and that would be it." I may sound harsh but it's more like a pretty please :) 
 

As for PJF episode 11, I think there was another scene with JYJ asking about KJK to SJH, and she wasn't satisfied with her answer that's why she pushed her hand away. It's a moment where both of the girls were taking a break at the cafe after their morning stroll. What I find funny in last week's episode of PJF is SJH's attitude toward KJK's visit. She portrayed Cinderella perfectly, she enjoyed her moments with KJK before midnight and the next day she kind of woke up from her dream and went back to her repulsive side. I find her little annoyance to the mention of KJK while eating breakfast unjustified. JYJ was talking about her fascination with KJK, is that a reason for SJH to tell her "why are you mentioning him?" ???? I don't see anything wrong with JYJ's reaction especially since she didn't tease SJH with KJK or anything so why is SJH against the mention of KJK. ??!!

 

Also regarding the caption of "real siblings", it may be a SA request. It's true that KJK's visit was filmed in the same night/day but it was broadcasted as two episodes so maybe after the first episode aired, SA felt like they will get more focus so they asked to put some captions to ease the tention and I kind of find SJH's sensitivity to the mention of KJK's name the next day justifiable. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, mn0096 said:

 

Nerd, alert:

 

In case anyone wants to read up on the concept of “family,” (blood related or not) in SK, I’m attaching the following link. I’m not familiar with the site, so I can’t vouch for the validity of what it says. Nonetheless, the piece is fascinating, though slightly biased and a bit on the scholarly side (Sorry, about that). Basically, “family” for SK is based largely on Confuciunism. It’s very complex. My own culture has its version, but it’s complex as well, and difficult to explain to someone outside of it. I’m not even going to try, except to say that even if someone shares the same blood as mine, it’s very possible to still marry. Being blooded with someone (or their “real life” sibling) doesn’t always mean belonging to a nuclear family (mom, dad and their biological children). If I have to go there, which I won’t, the definition of “sibling” is equally complex within the concept of “family.” Nerd, out. :D 

 

https://asiasociety.org/education/value-and-meaning-korean-family

 

Shipper, alert

 

We’ve been blessed with so much good stuff re: SA, guys. I’m looking at my cup right now, and it’s more than half full. I’m thankful. 

 

Shipper, out:P :heart:

 

Thank you for sharing! I find it super interesting as well. Different cultures have such different approaches to family and so much is lost in translation.

 

And thank you @saissuspicious for the translation! I also don't think it's anything to panic about. If SA suddenly announced, no one is going to point at the caption and say "B-b-but Pajama Friends called them siblings!" 

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18 hours ago, spartaceluv98 said:

Also, since HJY is sort of a 'member' now in MUD, will she be attending the SBS Entertainment Awards in December? Also due to the RM family project for four weeks, I have a feeling the four fixed guests Kang Hana, Lee Da Hae, Lee Sangyeob and Hong Jin Young would be invited to the awards too and will join the members at the RM table. 

Actually I'm more curious about KJK's attendance in SBS's entertainment award ceremony this year. Will he be seated with the MUD cast or RM. However I think he will sit with both but mostly with his mom LOL. 

As for KH, LDH, LSY and HJY, I think RM will need two tables for them to be seated comfortably which is something I highly doubt but we can expect anything from RM's production team and SBS. 

 

By the way guys, have you watched BP's newest episodes?? 
In episode 55 and 56, BP went back to the made brothers project and they are promoting a korean mobile application for dating. They are using Gapjin as a model for the application, he went on chat with a girl who is a make up artist and they finally met up in episode 56. Actually what I want to say is that idea of matchmaking people and get them to marry each other was one of BP's idea/project that KJK and HAHA discussed in the earliest episodes of BP and HAHA teased KJK by saying "yes, celebrities that like each other, so let's start by you hyung" LOL and that whole suspicious laugh and glances exchanged by KJK, HAHA, Papa smurf and Gapjin. 

 

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@mn0096 thank you so much for sharing. It is such interesting and new information for me. Now i understand better.

 

@saissuspicious thank you so much for the in-depth translation. Likewise, i too agree that jh noona was being a real life Cinderella the night jk hyung came to visit. She was super excited to meet him and converse with him, even going to the extent of explaining to others what he actually meant when others misunderstood. Yet, the next morning she seemed so moody and sensitive at the topic of kim jong kook by jyj noona. Her annoyed expression reminded me of her expression in Knowing Bros when jk hyung was mentioned. I also am in the same opinion that the caption 'real life siblings' might have been requested by SA themselves, to be added to the 2nd part of the episode with jk hyung. I am pretty sure both (especially jk hyung since his close friend tiny hyung also follows sa ig, they might even know about this forum. Lol) are aware of the videos of SA in ig and the excitement SA fans shared in the captions of the videos of PJF ep 10. So i too believe it might have been a personal request from SA themselves to the PD to add that caption, in order to tone down the excitement and specualations of SA fans. If this was the case, i have a feeling SA will be on the cautious and distancing mode again in upcoming episodes although they are in the same team for 2 consecutive episodes (twice ep and ep with byul noona. But i think the Twice ep was filmed on 12 Nov, before the pjf ep with jk hyung aired) so hopefully we might still get some moments in the Twice ep). But for the future eps, i do have a feeling SA will be in a cautious mode again. 

 

As for the SBS Entertainment Awards, perhaps jk hyung will be shifting from the MUD table to RM table back and fro. Lol. 

 

Also i have seen ep 56 of BP. Isn't weird it is gapjin hyung that is using the Tinder app instead of jk hyung who is supposedly 'desperately single and desperately wants to find a gf to get married?'Lol. Wouldn't viewers be more curious and attracted to the ep if it was actually jk hyung who tried the Tinder app himself since he is supposedly 'very single?'. Just makes one curious though :P

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If SA lovey dovey in screen like fake couple did, i will be quit shipping them because that means they are not real, LOL, thanks GOD they did not. It's not matter to me if SA lovey dovey with another people as long  as it is on screen, even the consequence is gain new shipper fandom, it's not matter because after all that is FAKE. But SA is different, the reaction between them very REAL! The shyness and all..

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I do not know how to explain this but does anyone else also see the slight difference in jihyo noona's expression when jong kook hyung sang the chorus of Han Namja in the video below?: 

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqv3tslhEFj/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=4fogymm7na5t

I am not an expert at analysing women's expressions but i think one can clearly see that while joy, sunny and jyj noona were all covering their mouths with their hands due to them being in awe and fangirl mode, you can see jihyo noona had her fingers on her lips and seems to be staring down straight and looks like someone who is in deep thoughts when hearing jk hyung sing the lines "there is one man who loves you so much. There is one man who can't even say I love you". Also, before the ending, the camera also zoomed to jihyo noona's face and you can see that she is so touched by his song and you can even see her eyes a little watery. Forgive me if i have the wrong analysis since i am saying it from what i see as a guy and not really an expert in analysing women's facial expressions. 

 

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I know it's not something special but would you guys vote for spartace please. I didn't know about the RM contest for couples. I vote for SJH everyday but didn't know that there is one. Go to the fourth slide.  It's between KwangMong and Spartace couple. I'm going to check now.

 

Edit: I checked but I think the vote ended yesterday :( 

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