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2 hours ago, tee2015 said:

@athoughtcloud1 I was actually planning on asking fun questions/non personal questions since it has the more chances of being answered by the RM crew. And I think it is pretty much given that any personal question ie dating questions are pretty much off limits or will be just ignored by RM. Although I hope you don't mind if I sneak in that question too about when is Spartace going to be paired off in a couple race.

 

I don't mind at all. I hope you can ask them some fun questions. Something like what they did at the 2013 Singapore event where they asked the members interesting questions. Let me also see. The thing is I get lazy with mailing and stuff.

Oh yeah, Song-Song seemed a more viable ship to me as well. You didn't have to prompt JH to do something for Joong Ki and Joong Ki always gave me the feeling that he had a crush on JH. Since I was an irregular viewer of RM in the beginning, it took me a while to even recognise the members' variety images. I remember watching the Macau one for LDW and wondering who this guy was (KJK) whose presence made the unfortunate easy bros so happy. I used to watch the episodes randomly. Anyway, the episode where I fell for KJK was the winter olympics one where his using a punishment (splitting firewood) to give life lessons to his team members seemed pretty unique and inspiring to me.

Looking back at the early episodes, one difference I find with how JH treats JK and Joong Ki is that while JH and Joong Ki were closer together, JH did not have any problem with Joong Ki having other female partners (like with Sunny). But when Park Ye Jin comes and she talks about meeting JK in the dressing room and JK lies that he didn't see her till then, JH hits JK quite hard, even violently, saying stuff like "I am going crazy. I am going crazy" ( like she does in the Hani episode). Marking her man already? ;)

Well, though the MC videos are annoying when you are looking for spartace stuff, they amuse me too since the poster's statements and what is actually happening in the videos rarely go together. :D

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@athoughtcloud1 I thought they changed PD on march 1st :D 
In one year (more or less) with Taek PD in charge the ratings almost halved, I can't see his transfer as an award :lol:  I don't know what happened, but it doesn't make sense the interview he gave just two weeks before, he should have known at that time (unless he was fired from korean running man because of that XD). It's because of things like this I can't trust interviews, they are a bunch of lies most of the time.  About SA I'm always prepared for the worst, it's not the first time they stop all kind of communication, I don't remember when it was, but there were a lot of episodes where they seemed two complete strangers, at that time I was watching all the episodes together, now I have to wait, it's a big difference, but I'll survive :lol:
I started to like KJK because he was "bullied" by other members LOL After that I started to appreciate him as artist and person, of course I don't know him, and he could be the worst jerk on earth, but I trust my instinct. Ok, I need to share this, when for the first time I listened to "black cat nero" I was shocked and laughed for ten minutes, it's a remix of a famous italian song for children, who parteciped in a children contest in 1969, I couldn't believe it, I was used to see a cute little girl sing the song, then I saw JK with that outfit and those dance moves :lol: I don't know why, but the only original video I found is with a korean title, probablly it's fate (the song starts at 00:43) :D 

 

 

 

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wow @athoughtcloud1 where is the 2nd gif from and is there video of it?

Also I don't really understand why SJH hit KJK that hard either, there must have been something behind the scenes that must have made her do it. Although as you've mentioned i don't think she can hit any of the other members apart from KJK like that.

It kinda looks like when someone feels deeply betrayed that they'd hit with such force.

Anyway some past hits:

 

Also SJH doesn't say "I'm going crazy", shes saying "[You're] crazy! [You must be] crazy!" (for being in the changing room with just Yejin).

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@laubi Thanks for that video. I had checked out another Italian version and the Japanese one, but not this one. It is so cute!!! Turbo's stage performance for NERO is cool, but the MV is so weird. It gives me a headache! LOL I like the MV for Twist King a lot.

@bidovacsb Thanks a lot for the clarification. The second gif is from Race Start 2 in Malaysia. Here's the video. It's around 6:20. Btw, can you read hangul? There was a post in SA naver that I wanted to understand.

 

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I finally watched ep 289. I really feel sorry to the cast because they did not get any rest at all, after 10 hours in the plane, they started filming already. 

I am still a little peeved that Ji Hyo was not able to do the sky diving. It seems that there is only a maximum number of people (3) that can do the mission. I wonder though if she was able to try the zip line? 

And MC couple was awkward. I actually felt bad for Gary during one of the car ride because he was talking to himself and Ji Hyo was sleeping. Lol. 

And the editing/caption writing/mixing of sound effects are awful. I mean I usually don't complain about this things but in this episode it really felt flat. But overall, the episode was good. I was actually surprised because i did not realized that 1.5 hours has already passed.  

P.S. Dear new PDs, I need more cast interactions please!!! Stop lumping them in groups of two. My fave part was when the 4 guys was left in the dessert and Jae Suk was giving them advice and they were talking about one of them dying! Bahaha. And also when they were fighting over thr chocolates. 

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16 hours ago, athoughtcloud1 said:

Thanks a lot for the clarification. The second gif is from Race Start 2 in Malaysia. Here's the video. It's around 6:20. Btw, can you read hangul? There was a post in SA naver that I wanted to understand.

 

@athoughtcloud1 thanks for the video and yeah bud what are you trying to read?

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@bidovacsb It is part of a larger post, but what I am interested in is where the poster discusses the use of formal and informal speech between the members, especially spartace. Since this is something only someone who knows Korean can explain, I am asking you. Just a summary would do. Thanks in advance!

The whole post is here in case you want to understand the context http://cafe.naver.com/jihyoandjongkuk/11717

2.존댓말,반말
 
지효는 개리한테 반말을 하고
종국한테는 존댓말을 하죠
뭐, 종국이 개리보다 나이 많으니까
지효가 종국한테는 존대하는게
이상한 상황은 아닙니다
하지만 여기에는 반전이 있죠
종국과 지효가 방송에서 어색한 척을
하기 전까지..즉, 2013년까지는
지효가 종국한테 반말을 했다는 거죠
 
재밌는 사실 아닙니까?
2014년부터 둘이 어색해보이는 이유를
알겠네요. 존대를 하면 아무래도 그래보이죠
정말 궁금하네요
존대를 쓰면서까지 어색한 척을
해야되는 이유가 있는 걸까요?
웃긴 건 실제로 존대하는 사람이
방송에선 반말하는 경우는 봤어도
실제로 반말하는 사람이 방송에선
존대하는 경우는 드물다는 거죠
 
참고로 실제로는 존대하면서
방송에선 반말하는 사람은
종국과 지효입니다
종국은 재석한테,
지효는 개리한테 그러죠
재석종국은 더 재밌게 할려고,
개리지효는 월요커플을 하고 있어서
그러는 건데 충분히 이해되는 이유죠
 
실제로 개리랑 지효는 사적으로 연락
한 번 한 적 없을 정도로 친하지 않습니다
그래서 실제로는 지효가 개리한테
존대를 하죠. 아무래도 존대를 하면
거리감이 느껴집니다. 그런데 둘은
월요커플을 하고 있어서 거리감이
느껴지면 안되는 상황이죠
그래서 지효는 방송에선 반말로
얘기하는 겁니다
 
재석종국은 반대로 엄청 친하기 때문에
반말하는 경우입니다. 둘이 친한 거
왠만한 사람이 다 알고 티격태격 하는
둘이기 때문에 종국이 재석한테 존대를
해버리면 티격태격 할 때 반말로 하는
것보단 재미가 좀 덜하겠죠. 그래서
반말하는 것 같은데 실제로 종국이
재석한테 존대한다는 것조차
모르는 사람이 많을 겁니다
사실 전화연결 영상 없었으면 그냥
반말하는 사이라고 생각했을 거예요 ㅋㅋ
하지만 실제로 종국은 1살이라도 많으면
존대한다고 합니다
 
아, 잠시 딴 길로 샜네요
이렇듯 공과 사를 구분해서
존댓말과 반말을 한다면
분명히 이유가 있는데
최강은 이유를 못 찾겠다는 거죠
애초부터 이런 경우는 드물잖아요
반말하는 사이면서 방송에선 존대라니...
재석종국처럼 방송에선 존대하는 사람도
반말하는데 지효는 오히려 존대를 하니
솔직히 의문이죠. 실제로도 존대하면
모를까, 그것도 아니니까요
 
반말도 하고 스킨십도 자연스럽게
할 정도로 친한 두 사람이 방송에선
존대를 하고 어색한 척 한다?
아 잠깐만요. 여기서 같은 팀이 잘 안되서
떨어지는 거 가지고 어색한 척 한다고
멋대로 판단하는 거 아닐까? 라고
생각하시는 분들이 있을까봐 말하겠습니다
 
같은 팀이든 다른 팀이든 개인전이든
붙어있고 지효는 종국을 응원했습니다.
다른 팀인데도 종국이 게임을 잘하면
좋아했고요. 대화도 많이 했던 둘이였고,
지금 멍광 남매처럼 티격태격 하는 모습도
많이 보여줬습니다. 그런데 단순히
다른 팀이라 떨어져있어서 어색하게
보이는 걸까요? 그렇다기엔 너무 오랜 시간
그런 모습을 보여주고 있고, 많이는 아니지만
같은 팀 할 때도 있는데 그때는요?
예전엔 다른 팀일 때도 대화를 했는데
지금은 같은 팀인데도 한마디 안 한 적도
많죠. 이런데도 어색한 척 하는게 아니라면
(앞에 말했듯이 싸워서 어색한게 아닙니다)
말도 안되는 변화죠. 어떻게 변했는지
알고 싶은 분들은 2012~2013년 회차를
보시면 됩니다. 지금과는 너무 많이 다른
모습을 보여줄 겁니다 ㅋㅋ;;;
 
어색한 척 하고 있다고 판단한 이유를
설명했으니 다시 이어서 말하겠습니다
반말도 하고 스킨십도 자연스럽게
할 정도로 친한 두 사람이 방송에선
존대를 하고 어색한 척 한다?
한번 둘이 사귄다고 가정을 해보고
생각해보면 어떨까요?
 
그러면 친한 두 사람이 방송에서
어색해보이는 게 사귀는 걸 숨기느라
그렇게 보이는 거라고 말할 수 있게 됩니다
제 생각엔 제작진의 간섭으로 반강제로
어색한 척 하고 있는 것 같지만요
사귄다고 가정해보고 생각해보면 어떨까
라고 말한 순간부터 역시 망붕답다고
생각하는 분들도 있을 겁니다. 그런데
정말 사귀는 게 아니라면 뭐 때문에
방송에서 그러는 건지 아시나요?
 
사실 이제 와서 말하는 거지만
둘의 변화가 말도 안되고 이상하기
때문에 이유를 찾다가 사귄다는 결론이
나온 것뿐입니다. 사귀기 때문에 그러는 게
아니라면 제발 납득할 만한 다른 이유를
알려주셨으면 좋겠네요. 무턱대고 망붕이라
욕하지 말고요. 사귀는 건 아니라고
말하지 말고요. 여기 최강 팬만 있는게
아니기 때문에 이런 말들 해도 되는 거겠죠?
 
그럼 이제 망붕이라 욕하는 분들이
주장하는 걸 반박해볼까요?

11 hours ago, tee2015 said:

My fave part was when the 4 guys was left in the dessert and Jae Suk was giving them advice and they were talking about one of them dying! Bahaha. And also when they were fighting over thr chocolates. 

  That was one of my favourite parts too. That seemed like the old RM. The 4 members were playing off each other's energy and spontaneity and you could feel their camaraderie. I sometimes get the feeling that it is members who are not involved in all this loveline tension who still behave like how they did in the old days.

I am all okay with RM not having guests, but like you said, what is the fun in splitting them up and giving them individual missions where they barely interact? We need bonding moments too. I really wish they would throw out the whole MC loveline (or put it in cold storage) and allow everyone to interact freely. Then only I feel the old fun would be back. Let's see what magic the new PD brings to the show. I hope they use the Q&A in a creative way.

One thing I miss are the openings of old episodes where the cast would just stand together and banter with each other. Now episodes start in medias res. Is it because there are topics that they want to avoid? Hmm...

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13 minutes ago, athoughtcloud1 said:

  That was one of my favourite parts too. That seemed like the old RM. The 4 members were playing off each other's energy and spontaneity and you could feel their camaraderie. I sometimes get the feeling that it is members who are not involved in all this loveline tension who still behave like how they did in the old days.

I am all okay with RM not having guests, but like you said, what is the fun in splitting them up and giving them individual missions where they barely interact? We need bonding moments too. I really wish they would throw out the whole MC loveline (or put it in cold storage) and allow everyone to interact freely. Then only I feel the old fun would be back. Let's see what magic the new PD brings to the show. I hope they use the Q&A in a creative way.

One thing I miss are the openings of old episodes where the cast would just stand together and banter with each other. Now episodes start in medias res. Is it because there are topics that they want to avoid? Hmm...

 

Another example of cast dynamics/cast bickering is during EP 288 opening spiel! Lol. When they were talking about what is their weaknesses and strength, I love how they basically try to put down each other! I think I replayed that scene multiple times. Teasing JSJ about his anger management skills and JH's quick temper. I was laughing when KS was saying how JH is apologizing for her mistake she committed 5 years ago. And I also love when they were thinking of punishments for each other. I miss their bickering so crossing my fingers that the PDs use the cast as a whole more often. 

And I agree about MC concept to be put to rest already! I think they are better off as siblings. When they were fighting in the desert after Gary stole the flag away from JH, it reminded me of KwangMong/HaHyo moments. lol.

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@athoughtcloud1 holy crap, theres a whole lot of stuff on that page

I'll try to go through them as i get time, if theres something in particular you want closer coverage on, i'll have another look. Also damn this writer not using any full stops or punctuations.

Writings in the square braces are stuff i've added to explain the situation or words that needs to be added to give context as there may not be a direct translation from Korean to English.

Anyway for the first part (im starting from the top on the website you've linked),

 

1. "They behave differently on and off camera."

"How is it different you say? I will write down their progress shown on air throughout the years"

"2010 - awkward

2011 - play fighting (bickering)

2012 - play fighting (bickering), sticking together more

2013 - lots of touching

2014 - 2016 - awkward"

"Those who are watching the show will think, wow they were friendly but it looks like somethings happened and they've gone awkward now."

"We also thought 'Did they have a fight?', without considering their actions outside from broadcasts. What do we mean?"

"From 2014 to 2016 they're showing us as if they're strangers in the broadcasts. Its funny because up until 2013, they were showing [emphasis] LOTS of close older brother, younger sister interactions, but since 2014, they're acting liek strangers. To top it off, people who started watching RM from 2014 wouldn't have guessed those 2 were close at all."

"As we've said before, it could be because something happened between them and so they've gotten awkward."

[Posed as a question to the viewer] "But what if they only act like strangers on broadcasts? What if outside of broadcasts they show that they're really close?"

[Posed as an answer to the above question] "Are they really? Why would they? For what reason?"

"You might be thinking this - 'Just like with Gwang Soo, showing them as MongGwang siblings, they can just do the same with Jong Guk as GgukMong siblings, but why are they being [difficult] like that?'"

"It may really sound absurd just listening to this"

"Changing their attitudes between filming and outside of filming.... this isn't even a drama k [korean version of 'lol']"

"But this absurdity has been and is currently occurring right now."

[Posed as a question to the viewer] "You mean you don't understand just by reading this?"

[Video 1] - [Shows what looks like some awards festival, RM team is hugging each other shoulder to shoulder, with the exception of Jong Guk and Ji Hyo]

[Video 2] - [Shows what looks like some awards festival, RM team walking up escalator, Jong Guk is holding hands with Ji Hyo]

"It may be unbelievable but this was taken on the same date."

[Posed as a question to the viewer] "Now does what i say make sense?"

"If they've become awkward [with each other] there's no reason [for Jong Guk] to escort [Ji Hyo] as there are other members [to escort Ji Hyo]."

"If they were friendly, they would have been more than able to hold shoulders while doing the 'Whoa whoa whoa ~ friends~~' [action they were doing in Video 1]"

"It was a situation where you had to loosen up your body, so leaving one hand still would have been uncomfortable and since everyone was doing it, it wouldn't have really mattered."

"If someone saw them [now], they would think these guys are awkward to the point where they can't even put their arms around each others shoulders."

[Video 3] - [Looks like they're going into some lobby and not sure what i'm looking at but it says 'SA' in the video]

[Referring to video 3] "They even put their arms around each others shoulders when they're casually walking."

"It's very strange as they play well together, so why is it when they're playing around with arms around each other, they're not doing it?"

"They've done the 'Whoa whoa ~ friends~' quite a bit so they should [be comfortable enough to] do it at least once."

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2. "Formal speech, informal speech"

"Ji Hyo uses informal speech to Gary and uses formal speech to Jong Guk."

"Well Jong Guk is older than Gary, so its not strange that Ji Hyo would use formal speech to Jong Guk".

"But there is a reversal [an anomaly] here. Before Jong Guk and Ji Hyo pretended to be awkward around each other... until 2013, Ji Hyo would use informal speech to Jong Guk."

 

"Isn't this a funny reality? I understand why those 2 seems quite awkward since 2014 now. [If you're] speaking formally, it will undoubtedly seem that way."

"It's very curious how they're using formal language while acting awkward [with each other]."

"Is there a reason why they have to use formal language while acting awkward [with each other]?"

"The funny thing is, there are [many] cases where people who actually respect each other speak informally on broadcasts, but its rare to see actual people who speak informally [with each other], speak formally on broadcasts."

 

"Note that the people who actually respect each other but speak informally on broadcasts are the following, Jong Guk and Ji Hyo, Jong Guk does it to Jae Suk, Ji Hyo does it to Gary. Its understandable that Jae Suk and Jong Guk do it to be more fun, Gary and Ji Hyo do it for [the sake of] Monday Couple."

"In reality, Gary and Ji Hyo are not close enough to contact each other privately, and so in reality, Ji Hyo speaks formally to Gary. Inevitably, if you speak formally [with each other] you feel distant [with that person]. But as they are doing Monday Couple with each other, they aren't allowed to be made to feel distant [with each other]. That's why Ji Hyo speaks informally to Gary on broadcasts."

"Conversely, Jae Suk and Jong Guk are [emphasis] EXTREMELY CLOSE friends, they speak informally. Most everyone knows how close they are and the bickering they [like to] do. So if Jong Guk bickers with Jae Suk while speaking formally, it wouldn't be as fun [to watch]. That's why [emphasis] a LOT OF PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW THAT JONG GUK ACTUALLY RESPECTS JAE SUK even though Jong Guk speaks informally to Jae Suk." 

"Really, if there were no phone calling situation [no idea what the writers meaning here] you would think they're informal speaking people kk [Korean equivalent of 'lol']."

"But in reality, Jong Guk says he speaks formally to someone even 1 year older than him.

 

[Looks like the writer is talking to himself] "I've digressed slightly. As we've analysed [the above] there is always a reason for using formal or informal language but we cannot find the ultimate answer. [The use of formal language between Jong Guk and Ji Hyo] has been quite rare since the beginning [of Running Man]. They're at the stage of speaking informally but speaking formally on broadcasts...."

"Like Jae Suk and Jong Guk, those who [emphasis] ARE FORMAL WITH EACH OTHER ON BROADCASTS ALSO SPEAK INFORMALLY, but why is it Ji Hyo insists on being formal? It wouldn't matter if she was always formal [when addressing Jong Guk], but that isn't the case."

 

[Rhetorical question] "[The two people that] are so close to each other that they speak informally and touch each other naturally, are speaking formally and acting awkward on broadcasts?"

[Writer asking question posed as audience] "Hang on a second, there may be people out there who are thinking 'Their team didn't do well and so they're acting awkward due to them failing?', so i will explain."

 

"Whether it be same team, different team, individual race, Ji Hyo has stuck with and cheered on Jong Guk."

[emphasis] "EVEN ON DIFFERENT TEAMS, [Ji Hyo] LIKED IT WHEN JONG GUK WAS DOING WELL IN GAMES. THEY HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS, AND LIKE MONG-GWANG RIGHT NOW, THEY SHOWED A LOT OF BICKERING."

"But then would it simply be due to them being in different teams, that they look awkward [around each other]? If that's the case, they've shown this side [as in their awkward actions] for too long, and what about in the few cases that they have been in the same team? Previously, they would speak together even when in different teams but now even when in the same team, there's a lot of cases where they don't even say a single word. Despite this, it makes no sense if they're acting awkward (as we said earlier, they're not awkward because they've had a fight). For those who want to see how much they've changed, all you need to do is [emphasis] WATCH EPISODES FROM 2012 ~ 2013. THEY WILL SHOW YOU [interactions] THAT IS SO DIFFERENT TO WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW kk."

 

"I've explained why they're only acting like they're awkward so i'll continue with the subject."

[Writer asking question to viewer] "So the two who are so close enough to speak informally and even show natural skinship is acting awkward and speaking formally on broadcasts? How about we discuss [about this topic] thinking that they are currently dating [each other]."

 

"[If the above is true] then we can say that the 2 friendly people, acting awkward on broadcasts is to hide that they're dating [each other]."

"My opinion is, due to the Producers interference, they're strongly acting awkward towards each other, but there may be people out there that are thinking 'what if it's because they're dating?'"

"But if they're not dating, do you know why they're behaving like that [awkwardly] on broadcasts?"

 

"Really, the changes between the two does not make any sense and [it feels] strange, so while trying to find out the reason [to their awkwardness] we've come to the conclusion that they are dating."

"If it's not because they're dating, i would really like [someone to give me] a plausible reason."

"Don't blindly swear at me saying i'm delusional [Not sure how i should translate this - its basically when fans get carried away at a fake love due to their love of a particular idol. I guess the easiest way would be delusional worshippers]. Don't say it's because they're not dating. I can ask this because there's not just hardcore fans here right?"

 

"So then should we try to refute to the claims that those who say i am delusional? [see above for reference]"

[Looks like its a question posed as someone attacking the spartace worshippers] "1. If they stick together, if they touch each other alot, does that mean they're dating?"

"This claim can be easily refuted. I wrote this article to say i have never thought for a moment that they were dating due to the aforementioned reasons. They just look great being a magnetic couple [not sure what the writer means by this] with lots of skinship. Nothing more, nothing less." 

[I'm having trouble understanding the writer's intention on this part: 그걸 보고 연인 취급한 이유는 이미 사귄다는 결론을 내렸기 때문에 그랬던 거지, 그런 모습 보고 사귄다고 생각한 적은 없어요]

"After seeing those actions, i thought that they were already dating, i didn't think they were dating because of that" [wtf.....?]

"I'll add in an extra bit, the things you call couple items [emphasis] SIMILAR HATS, CLOTHES, SHOES, ACCESSORIES ETC were all said for fun, [i have] never thought that they were really couple items. Of course they may actually be dating and so they can sometimes wear similar things but because it isn't confirmed, saying that they're dating due to this can be considered delusional."

 

"I'll say it again but, [emphasis] I'VE WRITTEN DOWN HERE WHY I THINK THEY'RE DATING, and of course it's not everything but at the least i'm not saying they're dating because they're always together, having lots of skinships or wearing couple items. I've only written things that if anyone saw it would think [Jong Guk and Ji Hyo's interactions] were strange, and only facts."

- Sorry i'll continue with the rest later.... 2/3 of the way there...

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@bidovacsb Wow!!!!! You are a godsend! I didn't think you would have the patience to translate the whole thing. I really wanted to know the other parts as well but didn't want to burden you too much. Your translation sounds excellent. It must have been hard since the poster's thoughts are a bit complex. However, one can follow the logical reasoning of the poster though at times it is hard to follow through since the poster argues with himself/herself back and forth. Yet, it is also nice to know that korean spartace fans carefully consider the question of whether spartace is dating and don't jump on the bandwagon just because of a few coincidences. Please continue where you left off when you have time.

I guess what the poster is saying here  "After seeing those actions, i thought that they were already dating, i didn't think they were dating because of that" is that things like them being a magnetic couple (always sticking together) or wearing things which can be construed as couple stuff are not the basic reason why the poster thinks they are dating. After ruling out other possible explanations for their awkwardness on screen after 2013  such as they had a fight withe each other (ruled out since they are still close offscreen), that they are on different teams (JH always cheers for JK even if he is on the same team or different team), that he is older than her (she used informal speech with him till 2013),the only possible explanation that remains is that they are dating, For the poster, their simultaneous awkwardness on broadcast (along with formal speech) and apparent closeness to each other offscreen (along with JH's informal speech to JK  offscreen as obvious in the KAIST conversation) can be explained only if the dating theory is proposed, especially since JH used informal speech to JK and didn't appear awkward around him on broadcast till 2013. The other things like sticking with each other or wearing couple stuff, which fans point out as proof that they are dating, is not the main reason why the poster thinks they are dating. They are just bonus according to the poster, that they do these things because they are dating. That is what I think the poster was saying.

Video 1 was during SBS Entertainment awards 2015, the part where the cast were singing along with the People for Laughs cast member's performance. Though the rest of the RM members were singing along holding each other's shoulders, JK and JH chose not to put their hands on each other's shoulders in a public broadcast. The poster says it was an occasion where they could have easily done it since the others were all doing it. Video 2 is this one. She/he was contrasting it with this fancam during the same event where JK can be seen holding JH's hands while helping her in the escalator 

 

Video 3 is the sidehug in the hotel lobby during the Shanghai Asia Cup in January this year

 

The KAIST phone call in 2012 where JK tells JH not to switch to formal speech when she does it towards the end of the call (perhaps since she had a late realization that he had put her on speaker)

 

4 hours ago, bidovacsb said:

"Really, if there were no phone calling situation [no idea what the writers meaning here] you would think they're informal speaking people kk [Korean equivalent of 'lol']."

I wonder if the poster was referring to this phone call during the Running Bros concert in Dallas. Does he speak formally to YJS here?

 

For me, the couple stuff is not really proof. I think almost all shippers have some couple items or the other to stake their claims and I have observed that those ships are the most delusional which rely heavily on couple stuff as the main proof. The magnetic couple part cannot be the main proof since close friends can also like being around each other. But for me, it is a subsidiary proof since the magnetic couple thing is something that has been caught by the hawk eyes of the fans and not something which RM itself has been upfront about. There have been a few occasions where the captions have talked about spartace's deep relationship, but generally, there has not been that much focus on their friendship or close siblinghood (like with Kwangmong), And from 2014, the interactions on screen have reduced in number. That is suspicious since there is no reason to hide their close relationship if they are just close friends or have a sibling-like relationship. I mean the majority doesn't even see Jong Kook and Ji Hyo that way, so why not focus on their siblinghood like they did with Hyori and Jae Suk in F.O or with Kwangmong in RM? 

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8 hours ago, tee2015 said:

Another example of cast dynamics/cast bickering is during EP 288 opening spiel! Lol. When they were talking about what is their weaknesses and strength, I love how they basically try to put down each other! I think I replayed that scene multiple times. Teasing JSJ about his anger management skills and JH's quick temper. I was laughing when KS was saying how JH is apologizing for her mistake she committed 5 years ago. And I also love when they were thinking of punishments for each other. I miss their bickering so crossing my fingers that the PDs use the cast as a whole more often. 

And I agree about MC concept to be put to rest already! I think they are better off as siblings. When they were fighting in the desert after Gary stole the flag away from JH, it reminded m

 Yeah, totally agree with everything you said. That is why I also enjoyed the fortune telling part in the X-man episode. There wasn't much action, but the cast banter was so much fun.

So, there are rumours that JK might do "Ding Ge Long Dong Qiang" season 2. It is not yet confirmed. If he joins it, wonder if he will be paired up with a female celeb again or will he be joining an all male team? Anyway, looking forward to it since I thought the format was very interesting and I got to see JK the artist there. Because of lack of enough preparation time last time, I felt JK couldn't take on that complex a piece for the final performance compared to some of the other teams. Hope this time around, his team can win.

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@athoughtcloud1 oh yeah your analysis seems to make more sense now regarding the part i wasn't so sure with.

I'll read the next parts and translate it soon.

In the meantime for those that haven't seen this before:

 

You guys can probably guess where this is going lol.

The full link can be found on the video itself.

Also to add fuel to the speculation fire, Ji Hyo announced she was dating her company's boss way back in 2011. In 2015, their company released a statement saying that they parted ways TWO years ago but still maintained a manager - worker relationship. That would place their break up in around 2013-ish. So uhh, by the looks of that article you linked before, them being awkward with each other since 2014........

But then we have a spanner chucked into the speculation machine with the Happy together episode from January this year when Jae Suk was talking to Jong Guk about his love life. Jong Guk says his last date was a year ago, to which Jae Suk says "HOW COME I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT? THE LAST I HEARD WAS 5 YEARS AGO!".

Again Jae Suk kinda looks like he's being funny but the way he looks at Jong Guk when he says that, lol.

 

One thing I thought was interesting between those two in the early days (the beginning episodes) is that she would call Jong Guk as "Hyung". Those who know Korean know that this is generally only used by younger boys to older brothers (we're talking about the meaning of Hyung in current Korean culture here, not 70 years ago) as younger girls would call older brothers "Oppa".

There's several reasons a younger girl would call older brothers like this

1) Oppa gives a kind of connotation that the girls like the older guy (not all the time),

2) They are tomboys,

3) They are wary of the older brother and want to put some distance between them because they are uncomfortable with each other,

4) They're purposely trying to put distance between each other because they like each other.

 

In the beginning episodes Ji Hyo would always call the older members as oppa so we know shes not a 2) and we know that she's interacted with Jong Guk before so it probably isn't 3), so then i'm assuming it's going to be 4) mixed with 1).

 

I'm not exactly sure since when she stopped calling him hyung, but you can tell she even had him listed as "Jong Guk Hyung" on her phone on episode 29 (15:26).

Seeing her transition from calling him Hyung and Oppa interchangeably to just Oppa also raises some suspicion flags... 

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Finally, the time has come to vote!!!

I must say, we have received awesome entries from SA shippers! So thank you to all of them and do create more SA fanart contest or no contest to make the spartace hashtag a better place, for you, for me and the entire SA shipper race :w00t:

There are 5 entries in all and I urge you all to vote for any 2 entries. Please vote ASAP. Also, as before, if you change your votes, then change your original post! Also, please vote by 13th March 10:00 AM KST, so I can submit our entry on time.

1. The first entry is from @nichecz, who has given this amazing lovestory for SA.LPlbSPZ.jpg

 

The 2nd entry is from our very own IG SA artist, suziegu. Please do check her IG for other awesome SA drawings

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3. The 3rd entry is from @merada, who has submitted this very sweet gif of memorable SA moments.

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4. This 4th entry is gif from @realcouple_sa from IG who has shown a glowing SA in each other's company ;)

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5. Oops I forgot this one, 5th entry is a gif from @realcouple_sa again 

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Please indicate your votes by numbers. 

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Wow, all of these entries are BEAUTIFUL! 
Shoutout to all you artistic people out there; these are some goooood stuff.

I also vote for number 1 and 4!

LET'S MAKE IT TO THE NEXT ROUND! 

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