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1 hour ago, Xonos said:

For me, ever since the fiasco of Monday Couple, I don't really trust any on screen love line on RM, so same goes for KJK and SJH...

 

If they really have a feelings and decide to proceed, I would think it will happen probably right after the end of RM, or their departure from RM. But for now, I don't think it can happen even though they want it as it will create so much complication in RM itself...


KJK and SJH were a loveline months ago and only for a brief time. Their closeness as well as the questionable moments in and out of RM exist since the early seasons, when neither the show, nor the media were treating them as a potential couple. The fact that at the 9th season of RM, the production decided to take advantage of their bond and the rumours that already circulated by consistently highlighting their relationship for a dozen of episodes (while in the past they had only occassionally done so) has nothing to do with whether Spartace have been lovers or not. Indeed whatever happens in RM, right in front of the cameras, serves mainly the needs of the show. The members exaggerating their reactions and SA playing along are such examples. Whether these moments are completely staged though or there's some truth behind them which extends into real life, has to be judged by taking into consideration what is happening whenever SA isn't focused on or is off camera. For example, LKS was being partnered up with every female guest and in all cases he exhibited enthusiasm like a lovestruck man. One of said cases was his current girlfriend too, their mutual attraction wasn't proven to be another fake loveline, even though at first glance it could seem so.

The Monday Couple, despite the plethora of scenes and the promotion by production & cast, had no meaningful interaction outside of RM. Even their on screen moments often had to be initiated by someone else. Unless they were about to engange into a comedic/lovey-dovey skit, SJH and KG didn't give each other any special treatment (in contrast, it was always KJK the one she would lean to in the background). So I think it is unfair to compare the two ships and simply conclude that if first one was a fraud, so is the second one. Generally, I agree that lovelines are fake, but that is not solely because they happen on camera, it is cause they have no continuation behind it. Do you see the difference? Furthermore, said continuation has to be indicative of romance. Chatting in a scene's background, taking a nice photo, making a compliment or openly teasing someone on social media aren't romantic hints, but merely proofs two people are getting along well and their friendship isn't just business. Spartace have such moments in their history , and although fans treasure them and tend to fixate even on SA walking side by side, they don't rely on these scenes to validate Spartace (those not too delusional at least).

I do agree that if they really have feelings for each other, then their contracts with RM have to end first before they can greet the public as a couple. KJK has said it himself in an older interview, an open romantic relationship would jeopardise the show. But this is related to how much the audience and the media know, privately they wouldn't wait for RM to end to act on their feelings as if they are shooting a teen drama, they are both around 40 and work in an industry that buries its secrets quite well. Whatever they needed to confess to each other,  they have done it long ago. Whether they had an on-off relationship, whether they were only casual lovers for a short time, whether they are still together and plan to marry, everything has already happened or been decided. If nothing has happened yet, then it never will even if RM ends tomorrow, it means they only share a healthy friendship. :)

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Nothing really to comment on about the episode itself as I have not watched it yet. But I have noticed that this thread has kind of taken a different direction after the petition and firing incident.

Last part before they start performing once again Really no one can stop them from having their own chat room! It's JK's turn to speak and they laughed cutely together again.

ALERT: LONG POST AHEAD! I just finished watching the latest episode, and here are my thoughts about it. My earlier comments were made before watching the episode, so I hope you'll overlook things

3 hours ago, lmx.zero said:

 

for me indeed between JK and JH are the same type of jealous person.

 

If you pay attention to a lot of moments of their jealousy in RM, but for me it is a natural thing, Even though JK or JH always say their relationship is only a family (like a brother and sister).

 

they can lie in words, but they forget that feelings of anger or pleasure cannot be hidden, and if I'm not mistaken in episode 253, you can see and judge for yourself, what their relationship is like.

 

in episode 253 maybe this forum may have already been discussed, in my opinion in episode 253 maybe JK is jealous of JH couple, and JH feels jealous of JK couple too, you can see what their facial expressions are like, even though they smile but for me their smile

is hiding something .

 

- 40:22 - 40:30, 40:46 - 40:54 (facial expressions and JK reactions)
- 41:10 - 41:42 (JH facial expressions)
- 54:12 - 56:00 (JH is very angry with the JK couple)
- 55:57 - 56:30 (JK makes JH calm) and you guys watch it until it runs out, JK is still jealous of the JH couple, JH is still jealous of the JK couple.

 

all of this from the corner of my field ... ^^

the point for me SA is an interesting relationship in episode 253

I'll rewatch this ep. Sound interesting to me as well. Didnt pay attention to Spartace before :). 

 

Sorry for talking too much stuff about astrology here. I have a astrology website and only do readings when im interested as I found astrology very useful to understand people and relationship, past life, karma, also predict the future :D

 

E.g., KJK is a Aries venus. He is attracted to tomboyish woman, athletic in appearance, strong and independent. In dating, he will be the first to approach and profess love. So dont need to ask him to confess, if nothing happens, it just means he is not interested. So I agreed with @Adora Dark , if anything happens with Spartace, it happened a long time ago, even with another girl or he hasnt found anyone yet.

 

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3 hours ago, Adora Dark said:

I do agree that if they really have feelings for each other, then their contracts with RM have to end first before they can greet the public as a couple. KJK has said it himself in an older interview, an open romantic relationship would jeopardise the show. But this is related to how much the audience and the media know, privately they wouldn't wait for RM to end to act on their feelings as if they are shooting a teen drama, they are both around 40 and work in an industry that buries its secrets quite well. Whatever they needed to confess to each other,  they have done it long ago. Whether they had an on-off relationship, whether they were only casual lovers for a short time, whether they are still together and plan to marry, everything has already happened or been decided. If nothing has happened yet, then it never will even if RM ends tomorrow, it means they only share a healthy friendship. :)

 

Valid points, I would really say if in the end, nothing ever happen between KJK and SJH, then their friendship is way too healthy.

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37 minutes ago, Xonos said:

 

Valid points, I would really say if in the end, nothing ever happen between KJK and SJH, then their friendship is way too healthy.

yup, way too healty

dunno much about how friends from opposite gender act in SK, but in my country, if two people from opposite gender behave like KJK to SJH and vice versa, they are most likely dating 

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9 hours ago, Adines Nugraha said:

sí, demasiado saludable

no sé mucho sobre cómo actúan los amigos del género opuesto en SK, pero en mi país, si dos personas del género opuesto se comportan como KJK a SJH y viceversa, lo más probable es que estén saliendo 

I agree,in my country is the same!

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On 10/1/2019 at 6:13 AM, airplanegirl said:

Please please please can we not bring this up anymore?

Sorry but I just want to let you know . Sorry I won't bring it up anymore but let's Spartace shipper stronger! :)

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On 10/1/2019 at 7:38 PM, Adora Dark said:

 
It will be great if anyone has the moment isolated and fully subbed, and shares it here. But if you have no luck finding it, you can check out the following fanvid because it includes the scene (among others, so it's worth watching in general). The Awards moment starts at 03:35. KJK literally panics to Haha's persistent questioning. Even if they had agreed on acting it out this way, only thing they would have achieved would be to raise suspicions about someone other than JSJ.
 


This is a very deliberate and funny translation of what was actually said:

https://commanderandace.tumblr.com/post/136300064614/uri-hyung-and-nae-dongsaeng-presenting-an-award

This makes my Spartace heart flutters really!! Thank you for this :) these are the moments that I actually root and believe that they are each special someone :)

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I haven't posted here in a while, but I'd like to share my story of how I started shipping spartace as someone asked above. 

 

I actually was a fan of MC as a fake loveline, I still think they were cute and funny and KG gave SJH something concrete to work with/react to as she was inexperienced in variety shows. I always accepted them as a fake couple though. Anyway I was watching some MC vids on youtube and of course there were SA vids in the suggestions. I watched a few of those and suddenly fell down a deep shipping hole lol. 

 

So thanks to makers of fanvids for helping bring people into the fandom! 

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I read though past post and when I read though some SA fans managed to pass the SA gifts to RM members, I seriously wonder what is their response behind the scenes especially KJK and SJH...

 

I still remember there is even one episode in RM on MC special, wondering will there even be one special episode on SA...

 

And last year, on SBS couple award, KJK and HJY wins the award, so I also wondering, whether this year couple award will SBS put KJK and SJH as well...?

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The reaction of JK and JH when they first met at RM ( EP 2 )

 

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JH's reaction when JK jumps into the water ( EP 3 )

 

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JK and JH's reaction when told to look at each other ( EP 4 )

 

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JK said that JH should have called JK oppa and seen how JH reacted to JK. ( EP 4 )

 

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JH's reaction when watching JK video ( EP 8 )

 

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JH's reaction when JK kissed BS on the forehead ( EP 9 )

 

 

 

 

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KJK had a concert in Temecula (a city in between LA and San Diego) on 10/5/19 and SJH and LKS recorded a video cheering for him for the concert. Judging on the outfits, this video was recorded during filming of the most recent episode with Tiffany, Hwang Chi Yeol, and the two young actresses from Hotel del Luna. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, YeJin25 said:

Tiny oppa is live now on ig and he talked alot about filipino food with KJK and the good news is Kim jong kook might have a concert in the Philippines :wub:

I missed the ig live of tiny oppa .  

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3 hours ago, YeJin25 said:

Tiny oppa is live now on ig and he talked alot about filipino food with KJK and the good news is Kim jong kook might have a concert in the Philippines :wub:

 

I also watched the IG live of Tiny oppa a while ago. I actually asked if KJK oppa can come to Australia (and lots of people (including me) asked if he will go the Philippines as well) and Tiny oppa mentioned that he might come to Philippines and Australia. He asked if there is a Running Man fanmeeting but KJK oppa seems too busy to reply. 

 

KJK oppa is eating Cheetos... In the IG live also, Tiny oppa mentioned that he likes Filipino food like adobo and crispy pata! Anyway, I really hope that HE (KJK oppa) will come to Philippines and Australia. :)

 

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Hi!  Newbie here.  New to Running Man, new to Spartace, new to Soompi forums.  Although I'm relatively new, I've watched a lot of episodes already and have read a lot of pages here.  I have a lot of thoughts on Spartace but they're all over the place so I will just go with what comes to mind.

 

I think it's hard to deny that there is something between them if you've watched so many episodes of the show, because there are just too many moments between the two.  I like the subtle ones more, not the ones where they are openly teased, because for me, these moments, collectively, tell you more about the two.  She takes care of him too much, and he takes care of her too much, compared to the other members.  It shows how special they are to each other, more than the other members.  Now as to the definition of that, I don't know.  

 

Why don't I know?  Because there are some things I see which makes me feel it's possible they're not in a relationship.  I remember seeing a meme about Spartace about being hot and cold and yeah, there are red flags, in my opinion.  These are all just opinions because no one really knows what's going on. 

 

1) The biggest red flag for me is JH teasing both of themselves, especially when she initiates it.  It's one thing being teased by friends and other members (like Haha), but if they are together, there is a reason why they haven't disclosed their relationship.  So openly teasing him with herself could point to the other direction.  

 

2) Two other red flags: when he gets teased to other girls or members, by JH herself, and when JH herself wishes that he gets married or finds someone soon.  She seems sincere, in both cases, for me. 

 

For 1) and 2) - are they that brazen with their deception?  

 

3) The other red flag is JK's mom's words when JH was a guest in MUD.  I have to admit that I haven't watched the full episode, that I've only seen snippets on YouTube.  It's one thing for the two of them to deny their relationship, but I think it's harder to expect that from JK's mom.  The three possibilities with the mom is that a) they're in a relationship but she doesn't know, b) they're in a relationship and she knows so she's faked her comments, or c) they're really not together and she really wishes that they were.  a and b are unlikely and unfortunately, it seems c is most likely the truth.

 

Of course my hope is that JK and JH both conmen :) and that their relationship is one of the biggest cons in Korea.  I really cannot discount that because there are also so so many signs that they are special to each other.  I've also had thoughts about them dating each other for around 6 years now, which is a theory shared by many members here.  If they are together, my guess (hope?) as to why they're not married is that they broke up sometime in the middle of the relationship, and they're still finding their way back so they are still cautious.  

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I've always entertained the idea that SJH and KJK are like the type of couple (friends or otherwise) who don't realize they're being very couple-y until it suddenly hits them one day. 

 

There's no denying to us who watch them very closely that they do certain things that are quite too intimate to be explained away as a friends thing (though I do know that there are friends who are like that in intimacy levels). I won't list them down, I know we all have our moments in mind already lol. 

 

On the other hand, I also agree that there are moments where they make it hard to think that they are together. The vehement denials from KJK, the fact that SJH seems to simply enjoy teasing him regardless if it's with her or someone else, the sudden emergence and abrupt disappearance of their rm loveline, etc. 

 

I feel like regardless of their actual status, shipping them feels fun and rewarding because we can all see that they are close - they share a special bond that is different from the one SJH shares with LKS/YSC or JSJ/HH, and different from the one KJK shares with JSM. They have a comfort level with each other over the years that, if you choose to see it as a couple thing or a close friend thing, still feels really nice to witness. 

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Welcome here @carambsk ! It's always nice to meet new Spartace shippers and read their input :) I apologise in advance because I am going to disagree with some of the points you made and offer a different explanation to all of them, please be sure everything is said with good intention, if anything you're giving me (us) a chance to bring forth some arguments.
 

7 hours ago, carambsk said:

 

1) The biggest red flag for me is JH teasing both of themselves, especially when she initiates it.  It's one thing being teased by friends and other members (like Haha), but if they are together, there is a reason why they haven't disclosed their relationship.  So openly teasing him with herself could point to the other direction.  

 

 


For the most part, SJH teased him with herself following the loveline concept. While Haha and others have been hinting at their relationship way before the show even attempted to highlight them, and a lot of those moments aired in other shows or were taken from social media (i.e. Haha's Spartace photo to promote his wife's song, JSJ's deleting his reblogging of Spartace kiss manip) SJH initiated it in a few episodes on RM when that was the direction the show itself was taking. If they are together, this could mean two things:

a) She was doing her job. Even if KJK and SJH would rather not to engage into any loveline and reveal their relationship after RM ends, they are still bound by contracts. If the concept wanted one of them more active in the loveline while the other would be shying away, exactly because these behaviours align better with the roles they already play in the show (imagine KJK happily endorsing every flirty situation, who would believe him?) then that's what they would do regardless if they are together or not. Moreover, it's a way for her to gain more screentime. Even though the production may discuss and develop their plans along wth them, I don't believe Spartace have much of a saying in the changes made regarding lovelines. Don't forget we are talking about a show broadcast on a channel that back in late 2016 fired them both without proper notice.

b) It has been suggested by other members before, a reason why Spartace may have agreed to a more open teasing about their relationship could be exactly because we are heading closer to RM's end and the official announcement of their dating and/or marriage. It's a way of easing the audience into their reality without exposing much. In this case, I don't think it's odd that SJH occasionally embraces the loveline more comfortably than she would do in the past. Besides, as long as KJK keeps presenting himself as the single guy in pursuit of a wife and they both are very cautious with their interaction outside of RM to protect their relationship, whatever happens in the show's controlled environment right in front of the cameras won't have any negative effect on said relationship, no matter if they stand away from each other or tease themselves as a couple. So, honestly, she has no serious reason not to tease him/them if it can pass as a moment of entertainment. On the other hand, she has many reasons to be careful outside of RM, on social media, in interviews etc.

 

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2) Two other red flags: when he gets teased to other girls or members, by JH herself, and when JH herself wishes that he gets married or finds someone soon.  She seems sincere, in both cases, for me.


First of all, this is a matter of interpretation. If SJH's reactions in the same scene look sincere to you while pretentious to someone else, there isn't a lot to be said. However, I do have one suggestion and one simple point to make. For the former, I suggest everyone who has some free time to spare, to read through @linzer03 's reviews of SA scenes on RM from 2010 to 2016, especially during the episodes where KJK was being partnered/teased with female guests. She is analysing really well SJH's reactions, even if one doesn't agree with all the observations she makes, still she sheds ample light on questionable quotes and subtle motions viewers would have ignored otherwise. Now, picking a recent moment from the top of my head, I'll say that SJH had a very - to put it politely - unapproving facial expression when JSM mentioned inside the bus how her mother's favourite is KJK. For the latter, I'd like to point out that SJH will wish KJK to find marital happiness whether she is his girlfriend or his good friend. There are two long-lasting notions that have accompanied KJK throughout his career as a singer & entertainer; his muscles/good health hype and his search for a suitable girlfriend/wife. From questions in interviews to segments in shows, the gossip always revolves around them, essentially they are a part of his on screen persona. Therefore, it's impossible for SJH and the rest not to participate whenever his love life becomes the main topic. Further suspicions would be raised if SJH appeared unwilling to contribute to the discussion by adding to the wishes shared not only by the cast, but by a whole fandom. And obviously she will sport a smile, if she is a friend because she will really mean it, if she is a lover because she will want to make it believable.

 

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3) The other red flag is JK's mom's words when JH was a guest in MUD.  I have to admit that I haven't watched the full episode, that I've only seen snippets on YouTube.  It's one thing for the two of them to deny their relationship, but I think it's harder to expect that from JK's mom.  The three possibilities with the mom is that a) they're in a relationship but she doesn't know, b) they're in a relationship and she knows so she's faked her comments, or c) they're really not together and she really wishes that they were.  a and b are unlikely and unfortunately, it seems c is most likely the truth.


Honestly, while I can understand your worries and doubts regarding your previous points, here I feel there is a problem in the rational sequence between observation and conclusion.  If two celebrities are a couple who don't wish to reveal their status to the public yet, the first people I'd expect to help them and keep it a secret would be their immediate relatives. It would be shocking if KJK's mother confirmed their relationship, not only this would go against her son's wishes, but also it would beat the whole purpose of My Ugly Duckling - which revolves around older yet still single men - and the very reason she and KJK are paid for. Basing our deductions about Spartace on whether KJK's mother denied it during a very scripted show is pointless since she can't confirm it there in any case. I'm genuinely surprised you leapt to the third possibility. Also, everyone should keep in mind that despite her undoubted sweetness, KJK's mother isn't a newbie in front of the camera at all. She has been appearing on shows about her son - in short or longer segments - since his early years, she knows how to deal with questions about him. Considering how KJK has flatly stated more than once he will always deny he is in a relationship even if he trully is, the last one to deviate from this would be his own mother with whom he maintains a very close relationship. Actually, I'd say that episodes 79 & 80 of MUD when SJH guested, if evaluated thoroughly may reveal more evidence in favour of Spartace rather than against.  :)


By the way, even though it isn't very important, I'd like to say that I'm a very sceptical shipper myself. My posts here may be deceiving but I do have my own share of doubts which is though triggered by different Spartace moments/actions. It just so happens that said moments pale in comparison to the abundance of evidence we have.

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Yay Adora Dark, thanks for the reply.  I love your posts the most here. I don't know how to tag here yet and to quote so I'll just reply.

 

I've thought about them just doing their jobs as well.  And I know that this is subject to interpretation, but I feel that with JK it's more obvious when it's a job (whether in Running Man or in his other projects).  

 

I've read a lot of analysis and comments on gestures and body language and the like here and on IG, and yes, everything is really subjective.  I've watched the full videos/episodes of the exact moments mentioned and shown on the video snippets (I looked for them hehehe!) and while I saw some moments, I really couldn't see the others. There really are a lot of moments that point to them being a couple, as I've said, but the teasing itself, for me, just sounds sincere on JH's end.  Which is why I'm so confused!  The moments that seem like they are part of the planned RM loveline look obvious, but there are others that do not seem to be part of the script.  In any case, long story short, this couple drives me nuts!  :p

 

I wouldn't put a lot of weight on my third red flag because as I've said, I haven't even watched the full episodes, just the snippets.  I don't know the mom very well so that was based on my assumptions.  While yes, the closest friends and maybe relatives are the first ones to hide secrets, I assumed that it's harder for the older generation to be good at hiding things.  Of course I am not expecting a confirmation, I expected some hints or minor slips.  Now that you pointed out that his mom has been on so many shows about JK, then that changes things for me.  My next order of business is to watch those full episodes, hehehe! 

 

Glad you pointed out the fact that JK has said that he will deny he is in a relationship even if he truly is - I remember now.  That's one of the things that support the possibility of them being together.

 

I've had a lot of back and forths, and I think could have started dating in 2013-2014, or late 2016-2017.  

 

Again thanks for the reply and I hope you don't mind if I post questions about the two of them in the near future.  New fan so I'm pretty sure I missed a lot of stuff. 

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1 hour ago, heynell said:

 

 

I feel like regardless of their actual status, shipping them feels fun and rewarding because we can all see that they are close - they share a special bond that is different from the one SJH shares with LKS/YSC or JSJ/HH, and different from the one KJK shares with JSM. They have a comfort level with each other over the years that, if you choose to see it as a couple thing or a close friend thing, still feels really nice to witness. 

 

A quote... would you look at that.  Yay me!

 

Anyway, I absolutely agree with everything you said here. :)  

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