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Just saw an post in Weibo stating that the sweet SA moment in the latest ep might have been cut more and in actual fact that moment has lasted longer than what was shown in the ep. Take a look at the video below:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByhsGsRjkdT/?igshid=9fm3cww93pwh

 

If you notice in the beginning of the video, jsm was behind jaesuk when he started looking towards his right (presumably to where spartace was standing). Then in the next shot, we see that jsm was already far from jaesuk and we get that short SA moment of jihyo leaning lovingly towards jongkook. So, based on the initial and final position of jsm, seems that the SA moment actually lasted longer than what was shown on the final episode. I wonder what was SA initially doing that was cut though <_<

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4 minutes ago, spartaceluv98 said:

Just saw an post in Weibo stating that the sweet SA moment in the latest ep might have been cut more and in actual fact that moment has lasted longer than what was shown in the ep. Take a look at the video below:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByhsGsRjkdT/?igshid=9fm3cww93pwh

 

If you notice in the beginning of the video, jsm was behind jaesuk when he started looking towards his right (presumably to where spartace was standing). Then in the next shot, we see that jsm was already far from jaesuk and we get that short SA moment of jihyo leaning lovingly towards jongkook. So, based on the initial and final position of jsm, seems that the SA moment actually lasted longer than what was shown on the final episode. I wonder what was SA initially doing that was cut though <_<

 

yap i noticed too but IMO it's okay, we always found SA moments like that from years to years (just a few second & cut it off) & we called that's natural moments & that's a reason why we trust they're in relationship ;):) 

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My delu thoughts was that JH went over to JK to say something in the lines of: "you're sorry?" While acting jealously like a jealous gf and JK spending time to pacify her.

 

But then again, its just my own delu. Haha

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18 minutes ago, rmghost said:

My delu thoughts was that JH went over to JK to say something in the lines of: "you're sorry?" While acting jealously like a jealous gf and JK spending time to pacify her.

 

But then again, its just my own delu. Haha

 

yeah i'm not alone to delulu about that hahahahaa or maybe they're just talking about another topic (personal topic) ;) 

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I think using the argument that KJK moved his head as a negative reaction to SJH's playful approach could only make sense in the mind of an imbecile.

 

Whenever someone unexpectedly leans into your face in such proximity, it's almost an instinctive reaction to crane your head back. No matter who that someone is, even your own parent. There's the startling factor to be taken into account, however it isn't the only one. Angling your head also gives you a better view of what the person in front of you is doing, you observe them better. And, again, it's an instinctive motion. Yet it doesn't stop here, as it has been pointed out, this is not the exact sequence of the events, the video has been edited - in fact it isn't just JSM who has moved away from YJS, but also LKS, the order of that line they're forming has changed completely. With that in mind, there's no way of knowing the context of SJH's playful approach or how long it lasted and, in other words, whether KJK's head motion was actually a part of the whole playfulness too (i.e. how a tsundere would react to someone teasing them, or how someone would smugly refuse to answer a cheeky question etc.). Besides, I agree that KJK doesn't change his posture at all, he accepts the contact.

But let's entertain the idea of the negative reaction. There are the following cases:

 

1) SA are dating. I don't need to explain how irrational suggesting he had a negative reaction towards his girlfriend then is. Besides, we have already seen them having a harmless argument in the roulette episode and this moment is the polar opposite of that.

2) SA are only close friends. Then there's no reason for any negativity between them, SJH teased her friend, KJK instinctively tilted his head half an inch as anyone would do, they continued touching and smiling the next minutes.

 

3) One person chooses to make her flirtatious advance in front of the cameras , the other rejects it with a head motion. This is actually the only case this reaction can count as a negative one. Now, apply this to KJK and SJH, two private people who have been close and supportive of each other for almost a decade and who casually interact and laugh through the rest scenes. With that in mind, insert their names in the first sentence of this paragraph and realise how ridiculous it sounds.

 

We are reading too much into a scene which is self-explanatory; a sweet moment between two people who are comfortable enough around each other to initiate such moments. Some viewers will always interpret the scenes in a shallow way - i.e. KJK moved his head? He must not desire the gesture, KJK softly smiled ? Aw, he must be shy -, while some others will fabricate scenarios that aren't there - i.e. KJK points at the floor, the empty space where whoever is about to join him in dancing will stand, but whatever, let's unleash our wild imagination lol 

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So far, this is what I believe :

1. They're dating

2. Once they're dating, they will marriage as soon as possible, it's just about time

 

:)

 

to explain about that point, it's too long :D;) 

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Hi all, thought i point this out... darling/ honey in korean apparently is also called chaekie (am guessing I spelt it wrong)

 

In RM 426 with Kang Ha Na, In-a, irene and joy as the guests, when Kang Ha Na selected KJK as her partner at 1 hr 13 min mark, JSM and SJH came forward and SJH used this word chaekie on KJK at least at two occasions (Once before KJK chose In-A and another time just after)

 

In RM 455 (latest episode) at 12 min mark, PD asked SJH what her boyfriend's nickname is. SJH replied chaekie. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Adora Dark said:

I think using the argument that KJK moved his head as a negative reaction to SJH's playful approach could only make sense in the mind of an imbecile.

 

Whenever someone unexpectedly leans into your face in such proximity, it's almost an instinctive reaction to crane your head back. No matter who that someone is, even your own parent. There's the startling factor to be taken into account, however it isn't the only one. Angling your head also gives you a better view of what the person in front of you is doing, you observe them better. And, again, it's an instinctive motion. Yet it doesn't stop here, as it has been pointed out, this is not the exact sequence of the events, the video has been edited - in fact it isn't just JSM who has moved away from YJS, but also LKS, the order of that line they're forming has changed completely. With that in mind, there's no way of knowing the context of SJH's playful approach or how long it lasted and, in other words, whether KJK's head motion was actually a part of the whole playfulness too (i.e. how a tsundere would react to someone teasing them, or how someone would smugly refuse to answer a cheeky question etc.). Besides, I agree that KJK doesn't change his posture at all, he accepts the contact.

But let's entertain the idea of the negative reaction. There are the following cases:

 

1) SA are dating. I don't need to explain how irrational suggesting he had a negative reaction towards his girlfriend then is. Besides, we have already seen them having a harmless argument in the roulette episode and this moment is the polar opposite of that.

2) SA are only close friends. Then there's no reason for any negativity between them, SJH teased her friend, KJK instinctively tilted his head half an inch as anyone would do, they continued touching and smiling the next minutes.

 

3) One person chooses to make her flirtatious advance in front of the cameras , the other rejects it with a head motion. This is actually the only case this reaction can count as a negative one. Now, apply this to KJK and SJH, two private people who have been close and supportive of each other for almost a decade and who casually interact and laugh through the rest scenes. With that in mind, insert their names in the first sentence of this paragraph and realise how ridiculous it sounds.

 

We are reading too much into a scene which is self-explanatory; a sweet moment between two people who are comfortable enough around each other to initiate such moments. Some viewers will always interpret the scenes in a shallow way - i.e. KJK moved his head? He must not desire the gesture, KJK softly smiled ? Aw, he must be shy -, while some others will fabricate scenarios that aren't there - i.e. KJK points at the floor, the empty space where whoever is about to join him in dancing will stand, but whatever, let's unleash our wild imagination lol 

Super love your posts! And super love your on point sarcasm! Please post here regularly :)

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5 hours ago, Adora Dark said:

Yet it doesn't stop here, as it has been pointed out, this is not the exact sequence of the events, the video has been edited - in fact it isn't just JSM who has moved away from YJS, but also LKS, the order of that line they're forming has changed completely.

I also read a comment somewhere that after that weirdly intimate scene that sent all of us into a wild, positive uproar (lol), you can see JSM looking like she was about to point at something (presumably SA) before the scene cuts off completely (idk if that's what it looks like, but maybe. Perhaps they did tease them a bit but it was edited out. But that leads to another question - given how much they edit things out or mix scenes out of order, they could have easily edited out that SA scene, but they didn't. Why? It feels like they left it there specifically for shippers to find lol. That's just my delulu tho) 

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I just noticed this when i saw this video in ig:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bykg8vOgITm/?igshid=1hzw1szv2nz82

 

When jihyo noona (Gamora) was doing the solo photoshoot, members were complimenting her and you can clearly hear jk hyung's voice praising jihyo noona as per subtitle " you are all perfect!" which means you are looking perfect !:wub: 

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@mn0096 the couple dance segment i was referring to is in the ep 2 weeks ago as the video below. The couple dance segment starts around min 1:40 and haha hyung said "somin and kwangsoo can do this" around min 1.46. 

https://youtu.be/13Z7qts5wuU

 

How nice would it be if our SA could do that part:)

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3 hours ago, spartaceluv98 said:

@mn0096 the couple dance segment i was referring to is in the ep 2 weeks ago as the video below. The couple dance segment starts around min 1:40 and haha hyung said "somin and kwangsoo can do this" around min 1.46. 

https://youtu.be/13Z7qts5wuU

 

How nice would it be if our SA could do that part:)

It’s Haha and YJS are the couple to do a couple performance for the fan meeting.

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36 minutes ago, YeJin25 said:

It’s Haha and YJS is the couple to do a couple performance for the fan meeting.

 

 

Yes, i am aware of that. That is a separate couple dance. The one in the youtube video i linked is a short couple dance segment which is a part of the whole group dance that they were rehearsing, which is why i am wondering which two members will be dancing that short segment. They did not reharse for that segment in the episode

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32 minutes ago, spartaceluv98 said:

Yes, i am aware of that. That is a separate couple dance. The one in the youtube video i linked is a short couple dance segment which is a part of the whole group dance thatwere rehearsing, which is why i am wondering which two members will be dancing that short segment. They did not reharse for that segment in the episode

 

Not mentioned yet coz the choreography they shown is only the 1st part and on the part you are saying is on the 2nd/remaining part which no one knows if RM will show their practice for that... i hope they will.

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for my opinion, in 2016 the spartace will get married so they are removed from the RM show plan. refer to the fact that Kim Jong said he would marry in 2016,but I don't remember in what epsd/show he talk it

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Yes JSM extends her arm towards the general direction of SA just as they're having their close moment, but considering how fast everything occurs and how thoroughly edited it is, it's impossible to tell whether her move is addressed to SA and it's a follow-up of a cut scene where the rest members refer to SA or not. Four of them are clearly watching SA's interaction though just as JSJ beckons KJK to take a seat.

 

On 6/11/2019 at 8:21 PM, heynell said:

 But that leads to another question - given how much they edit things out or mix scenes out of order, they could have easily edited out that SA scene, but they didn't. Why? It feels like they left it there specifically for shippers to find lol. That's just my delulu tho) 

 

However delusional it may be, if the production wanted to create some buzz, they succeeded, because that brief, general shot of everyone doesn't really serve another purpose better than validating the SA shippers.

 

On the other hand, I can think of two explanations, which conclude to the same result despite being polar opposites, indicative of how futile overanalyzing a short, heavily edited scene often is. We are assuming that most of the SA interaction during that scene seems edited out, suspiciously leaving behind only one fleeting moment, but what if the interaction wasn't long to begin with? In this case, there's no real question as to why three seconds of playfulness made it to the final version, especially if the blurry, general shot was the most "innocent" one of those available.

 

OR, on the contrary, what if there were several, consecutive SA moments, that no matter how much content was mixed around or edited out, something small would still slip, assuming again that the production wanted to keep the transition to JSJ/KJK's turn in the game and not scrap it completely.

 

In both the above explanations, the decisive factor is the same, aka damage control, however the facts and parameters differ substantially. Focusing on what our eyes can see, an undisputed intimate moment, is what really matters in the end (it goes without saying that harmless theorizing and fantasizing are always welcome). Another detail to be noted is the overall vibe during that word game. Let's say some game partners aren't sticking together to the best of their abilities, at times I would have doubted whom SJH was paired up with, had the production not provided them with shirts of different colours to separate the teams - excuse the bold, I suddenly felt an urge to emphasize that it's the show and not some sort of emotional revelation that dresses KJK in pastels :rolleyes:.

 

Regarding SJH and KJK sharing food during the preparations for the Avengers photoshoot, I think that there's a chance they did based on their physical proximity. However LKS & YSC are also shown enjoying snacks, therefore it is impossible to guess who offered her a treat, she may as well have had her own light meal. That segment is heavily edited, literally people disappear and reappear in different spots with every switch in camera angle. Still, in at least two occasions of what was broadcast, SA sort of loiter behind each other, whenever one of them is getting make up on while the other is on a stand by. I am going to be my own devil's advocate and point out how the room is rather small and overcrowded, raising the chances of two people being caught in the same frame. Nevertheless, it's a little observation worthy of mentioning. 

 

Unrelated to the latest episode, I showed the friend I watch RM with SJH's recent photos from her departure for Bangkok. A little reminder, he is aware of SA, but he is not a shipper and stays completely uninvolved with the fandom and our theories, unless I link him something specific. I sent him the photos without making the slightest comment, in order to avoid leading him on. Upon seeing them, the only thing he asked me was whether KJK was SJH's personal stylist now :lol: I know it's insignificant, but it's self-reassuring when unbiased people notice the similarities and confirm your suspicions. I was the sceptic attributing everything to comfort when travelling lol

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