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First I want to thank for everyone for the comments. It been really nice to read everyone's amazing insights. 

It's been really busy couple of weeks and sometimes I don't remember to comment. :wub::loolz:

Too many people died. It was good that bad people died but why did they had to kill Tal tal or batolu? 

Cockroach had really deserving dead. 

Tal tal was one of the only reasons that I survived to the end. 


This drama should have ended in the episode 40 or they should have moved the plot faster in the beginning. 



There where too many misunderstood and mistrust between the lead. I would have loved if they could have just trusted each other. 


KOLTA. What you can say about him. It always the closest people that will betray you. You  know I liked him at first but somewhere long they I saw thing that made me think that maybe he was not a good person. 


Power is the worst enemy. Everyone want it and you don't want to share it. 


Killing Wang yoo was the only choice. 


The love triangle for me never was a real triangle. Never really felt that W and N were really in love which each other even though there was Maha. 

The poor kid never knew his parents. His life was one of the most pitiful. 


There could have been maybe few villain but with long sageuk that is always the case. Many villain, few good people. 


Overall I did like this drama. It was my second time watching this. There was so much I did not remember. 


@partyon @Sleepy Owl @Nodame @chickfactor  thank you!  And see in another threat. :heart2:


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I could go on all day writing my thoughts, and sorry for the long post but I needed to get hold of that abyss which currently swirling around in my head. 



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