[Drama 2013/2014] ♚ Empress Ki (기황후) ♚

[vu_hoa1983]

I notice there was discussion about Wang Yoo selling explosive materials to enemy state of Yuan 1 or 2 days ago. As I was curious myself whether he did that for real, I rewatched the recent episodes carefully. And the conclusion is: he did. He orderd Bisoo to do the sales of explosive materials.

Here’s what he said to Lady Ki (LK) the day before he returned to Goryeo:

LK: Is there no way to stop the war?

WY: If we can't stop them, then just turn them into our chance. If everything goes according to my plan, Her Highness will be able to achieve both military power and the wealth of Yuan Empire. I will also be able to get what I want.

LK: Can you explain in details?

WY was already thinking ahead of everyone about his own way to buy times to protect Goryeo from Yuan’s invasion.

It’s WY’s idea that: Each province has to turn over military products but they are required by LK to turn over only a little. The new business group formed by WY’s subordinates will buy them and sell to the expedition force with a higher price. The profit will be allocated to province head and in turn, spent for Yuan’s people who are trapped in famine.

There are some points I want to make clear:

- It’s right that WY uses LK. She doesn’t know that his real motive is trying to buy time for Goryeo via indirectly helping enemy state of Yuan. I guess she thinks he keeps part of the profit made from business.

- In his process of using LK, he helps poor people in Yuan with profit from business. This is what LK wants. Taking care of poor people in Yuan is a way to make Yuan better – the nation that Ayu will rule latter, esp when TH is unable to do that until now.

- It’s not exact to say WY endangers LK by selling explosive materials. She is already in danger the day she decided to that business proposal just by dealing with Goryeo alone and she knew that. She accepted the danger with the aim of helping poor people.

A province head: But if we are not careful enough, everybody who is involved in will inevitably be condemned to death.

LK: War or everything else, nothing is without risk.

If it is found out that she deals with Goryeo about supplies for expedition, even if WY doesn’t sell these materials to enemy state nation but a non-enemy state, she will still be guilty according the law. Wherever he sells these materials to, if Yuan knows, both he and LK are in danger.

The thing is: WY does it secretly without no evidence – he knows the consequence and he is careful enough. Even BA or ED can’t know for sure and without evidence, they have to fake the book.

LK is dragged into that attempt just because BA and ED want her dead because of her Goryeo origin – they don’t know she is involved for real. They have to resort to torture to make WY drag LK in.

- I'd like to think about WY's action as a way to saborting Yuan's expedition effort rather than trying to harm Yuan's innocent poor people or harm Yuan as a nation. He indirectly helps the enemy state of Yuan but it doesn’t mean Yuan expedition fails just because of this. Even ED told BA that they needed a scapegoat and WY is chosen for that. BA is a strong warrior but the war occurred at a wrong time.  Yuan brought their troops to other nations to create war – WY’s actions just only help somewhat for the enemy state to withstand Yuan’s invasion – not that the enemy state invades back Yuan and try to seize Yuan or what. BA and TH just simply let the war drag on too long than it should be – it shouldn’t have started to be honest.

As I said above, WY’s actions also help Yuan’s poor people. He fulfils the part of the commitment he made in the transaction.

So how come it means he intends to harm Yuan to ruin the nation that Ayu will rule? It’s not like the considerable amount of minerals that WY brought from Yuan can help to do the miracle of defeating Yuan. It just aims to buy time for Goryeo.

- WY will never harm LK. He proposed a dangerous trade with her and she accepted the danger of it. Even if he has to use her for Goryeo, he will try to make sure that she won’t be in danger. And himself too – cos if the trade is exposed, he will commit treason against Yuan. By standing against Yuan now, its price is only dethronement again, not death sentence. At least he gives her what she wants in that transaction: profit. She doesn’t approve of war – if Yuan fails to conquer the enemy state, TH and BA can just recall the troop and end the war. The war dragging on shouldn’t be blamed just on WY – ask those to want to win no matter what. See how he was tortured and kept silent about LK though that would kill him or make him a disable person.

- Lk has the rights to upset at him. As kwibi of Yuan – she indirectly helped WY backstab Yuan’s (wrong) expedition effort.

But I think she will understand why WY has to do so. LK couldn’t stop the war and if Yuan invaded Goryeo for real, she couldn’t prevent it.

That’s all my 2 cents in the whole “WY betrays LK” issue.

Through that, I can see how WY loves Goryeo. To protect it, he “uses” the woman he loves – but not with the intention of causing danger to her. As for WY, his life is always in danger. And I like that seeing how she tried to save him, he hinted to her that he did the crime for sure - and he knew she would get that and get mad at him. He didn't have to do so since she did'nt know - but by that, he wanted her to not try to help him anymore and stayed out of danger when she was already busy enough with BA and ED.

[Guest geilbladder]

Pavla Osminskaya said: 46 Text Preview
Seung Nyang catches Maha, who passed out, and hugs him in tears. Seung Nyang and Ta Hwan want the murderer that tried to kill Maha to be revealed, and under the watchful eyes of the people, Bayan Khutugh is identified.

Seung Nyang tells Ta Hwan and Empress Dowager Hwang that there's one more thing she wants to reveal...

[Guest larabn]

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[cherkell]

geilbladder said:
thanks chingu! aigooo, i can never foresee the next episodes of this drama. i dont know what she has to reveal now. Maha's identity is just impossible. Pregnant? might be. About the Treasure? There were things that are unsettled in the past so i have no idea which will be the revelation. I'm just praying that it will be a good episode. Wait, gonna call the Lord now. ] [-O<

[kanzcech]

I can't imagine what will happen in the next ep. If something bad happens, TH might passed out, like for example they reveal Maha is SN's son.
But based on the preview El Bak will be revealed to almost kill Maha? So she will be deposed, right??
Hopefully so, I can't stand her being btch and mean...

[cherkell]

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[kanzcech]

I can't imagine what will happen in the next ep. If something bad happens, TH might passed out, like for example they reveal Maha is SN's son.
But based on the preview El Bak will be revealed to almost kill Maha? So she will be deposed, right??
Hopefully so, I can't stand her being btch and mean...

[pegster]

CherKell

said:

geilbladder

said:

thanks chingu! aigooo, i can never foresee the next episodes of this drama. i dont know what she has to reveal now. Maha's identity is just impossible. Pregnant? might be. About the Treasure? There were things that are unsettled in the past so i have no idea which will be the revelation. I'm just praying that it will be a good episode. Wait, gonna call the Lord now. 

] [-O<

[tarjig]

Everyone, I don't usually say anything but maybe SN will have some kind of understanding once she knows TH is being poisoned.  I hope he didn't rape her with a clear mind.  That would ruin TH for me.

[Guest ravendark]

Pavla Osminskaya said: 46 Text Preview

Seung Nyang catches Maha, who passed out, and hugs him in tears. Seung Nyang and Ta Hwan want the murderer that tried to kill Maha to be revealed, and under the watchful eyes of the people, Bayan Khutugh is identified.

Seung Nyang tells Ta Hwan and Empress Dowager Hwang that there's one more thing she wants to reveal...

[Guest ravendark]

drbigapple said: Well it is not logic for lady ki to reveal maha identity as her son...it will gv Ed a chance to destroy lady ki completely..if lady ki revealed to paeha alone..i still think possible but if she revealed to ed n th ..i think she juz said maha is x th son tats all..and tis gv opportunity for prince ayu to be selected as crown prince

[tessieroo]

@tieueyeunu - You're convinced he raped her? I wish I could be as sure but I honestly cannot tell from that scene. It's very clear he physically assaulted her (holding her down, forcing kisses, pulling her robe open) but I have no idea beyond that. And that's probably because of the scene that follows it - with both of them fully clothed and the choice of song the PD used. (which is why it's crossed my mind that we're being trolled) You're right about it K-dramas not showing much but MBC certainly didn't shy away from showing the rape scene of a 14-yr old girl in "Missing You". If we're being trolled, this is my feeling about the writers:

 

 

Did anyone besides me wanna join Puppy is his partying? I too, wanted to drink myself into oblivion, throw things and threaten Gol-ta. :|

@pegster - When I watched a second and third time - there were definitely changes in the subs. 

@lorac - I don't think it's a matter of @pegster having second thoughts, it's a matter of not knowing what the writers are going to do. Yes, they've shown us WY did sell to the enemy but (in the past) they always show he's the hero so we might end up getting a scene either showing he lied about it to protect someone else or some other reason. At least, that's why I was on the fence about the whole issue. Plus my own thinking that he would never betray SN.  
Can I ask  about this damage control everyone is talking about? Was there a huge backlash from netizens or a lot of negative responses? I know there is here and on other forums but is MBC being bombarded with complaints or something? 
@issy_1 - Excellent post! You're spot on - the reason I'm questioning that scene is not only SN's reaction and her thoughts but also my knowledge (based on what the writers have shown me) of TH's character for the past 42 episodes. If he had, I would have expected to see him crying and begging her forgiveness later on. (as @ravendark mentioned) 
@CherKell - Oh, I hope our cutie-pie guards are escorting KT to the gallows. >

[pegster]

tarjig said: Everyone, I don't usually say anything but maybe SN will have some kind of understanding once she knows TH is being poisoned.  I hope he didn't rape her with a clear mind.  That would ruin TH for me.

[cherkell]

tessieroo said: Can I ask  about this damage control everyone is talking about? Was there a huge backlash from netizens or a lot of negative responses? I know there is here and on other forums but is MBC being bombarded with complaints or something? 

[Guest wwwfootballwww]

@hoa 1983,  When LK asked WY if really he sold the explosive materials (against Yuan), WY said it just because Yuan must not win this war. 

He confirm it. (WY knows Gorye will be the next taget). 

[omgomo13]

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[mirage^]

HJW keeps getting more and more pretty as the drama goes on.

I also believe TH is being drugged even though he still lashes out when hes sober. I think hes starting to believe the hallucinations in his mind even while sober, which is a pity ; (.

[tessieroo]

@pegster - It's either "great minds think alike" or "INSANE minds think alike"  =)) @rinchan76 brought up the drinking issue and reminded me excessive drinking can cause hallucinations too. (I totally forgot that - spaced it off somehow) I thought it might be drugs because of what happened with ET and someone mentioned maybe Dowager drugged ET. (I thought it was dementia) 
@pegster, @CherKell - Thanks, I had no idea! (head buried in the sand/work) Well, this whole issue/topic will certainly have viewers tuning in next week, right?   Is MBC being evil right now? >

[Guest lorac]

Issy_1 said: This is definitely out of TH's character after spending 42eps establishing this is something he would not do. He didn't kiss her when she was drunk in his room, he didn't force her to sleep with him when she was his concubine and now suddenly this?

[churasan]

CherKell said: tessieroo said: Can I ask  about this damage control everyone is talking about? Was there a huge backlash from netizens or a lot of negative responses? I know there is here and on other forums but is MBC being bombarded with complaints or something?