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[Drama 2013/2014] ♚ Empress Ki (기황후) ♚ [EVENT: re-watch]

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ji chang wook is really wild in this drama :wow1:

 

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6 minutes ago, Lmangla said:

@Jillia ~ with saeguks, always wonder about the hair pieces and the wigs the actors have to wear and how they pin it on. most actors have a short hairdo anyway. so in that case, how are these pieces attached to their head? and how does it not fall off when they do these fight scenes? so many random questions. hahahaha...

It looks like Ji Chang Wook is wearing a wig. Or at least a extensive hairpiece. Maybe the front hair is his hair. :D

 

These days hair department is pretty lazy/convenient when it comes to male sageuk hair. Usually the bun and top hair on top of their head is attached to the hairband the men wore during Joseon era.

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Let's have a look at another rewatch drama Moon Embracing The Sun as an example - everything on top of Kim Soo Hyun's head is a wig:

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Meanwhile as you can see at the back of Kim Soo Hyun... it's his natural hairline which is not accurate since men back then had long hair pulled up in the bun.

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But it's too time-consuming and expensive to make several full wigs. So they choose the easy half-wig. :D

 

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a question for the re-watch party to get started on -- @partyon @Jillia @MVM @Fandomized Q @joccu @MayanEcho @Night_Owl @Ameera Ali  -- so empress ki is based/inspired from a real life historical queen. what are your expectations? do you expect some amount of accuracy? do you expect lots of drama writing liberties? how close do you think historical based dramas should be?

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1 hour ago, Lmangla said:

a question for the re-watch party to get started on -- @partyon @Jillia @MVM @Fandomized Q @joccu @MayanEcho @Night_Owl @Ameera Ali  -- so empress ki is based/inspired from a real life historical queen. what are your expectations? do you expect some amount of accuracy? do you expect lots of drama writing liberties? how close do you think historical based dramas should be?

As far as i know there was some controversy regarding Empress Ki where some people protested that she was being shown on a more positive side while she was actually a traitor. Now let me tell you fun fact (which many of you might know and i don't think it is a spoiler either), but Ki Cheol who was the main antagonist in Faith was actually Empress Ki's elder brother and he was placed in Goryeo by her to act as the ruler there in order to control and have influence over its politics. So in the eyes of koreans, she was traitor. 

 

Now this is what excites me. How would they actually portray her in the Empress Ki. Given the facts above, I do expect some good amount of liberties in writing and less historical accuracy. But still, I believe that if the drama is based on a specific historical personality like King, queen etc, I expect it to be more inclined towards historical accuracy, a little bit of writing liberty is fine, but too much liberty sometimes spoils the whole drama. 

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every saguek that I have watched mostly they have the historical elements but also they have put fiction in the drama.

 

There wouldn´t be drama if they stayed totally on the history. And because everything that has written long time ago the truth is always flaky. That is reason history is so intresting ecspecially  very old history.

 

 

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great points @joccu and @Night_Owl -- they say history is re-written by the victors. so sometimes, even to claim 100% accuracy can be difficult, it really does depend on perspective. while am okay with drama story liberties, what drives me nuts are inaccuracies in background! hahahahha.... so stuff like clothes, sets, random details like that -- half the fun in historical dramas are those kind of details for me and so it irks me if those are distracting...

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1 hour ago, Lmangla said:

a question for the re-watch party to get started on -- @partyon @Jillia @MVM @Fandomized Q @joccu @MayanEcho @Night_Owl @Ameera Ali  -- so empress ki is based/inspired from a real life historical queen. what are your expectations? do you expect some amount of accuracy? do you expect lots of drama writing liberties? how close do you think historical based dramas should be?

I mean in the end who knows what the history is? Only the people who wrote them down. I think I'm used to the dramas mixing historical facts with fictional elements. It's okay with me as long as it makes sense.

 

I also like when dramas try to see the history from a different point of view. But I remember that Korean viewers don't think like me sometimes. I remember how many people didn't like how the drama "Jang Ok Jung, Live in Love" humanized Jang Ok Jung and tried to explain how she became the way she was. For most people in Korea, she is a scheming concubine who wanted to become queen at all cost. The drama was making her look like the victim and Korean viewers hated it and there were protests. So I think it really depends. Where international viewers are more forgiving, Korean viewers might be not. :)

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8 minutes ago, Jillia said:

Where international viewers are more forgiving, Korean viewers might be not.

it also might be because international viewers are not aware of the history? it is not like we studied this in school and have an opinion on it one way or the other... so let me give you an example -- you know the live action movie aladdin? I had a strong bit of anti-reaction to it! LOL. not because of the acting but because of the sets and costumes which drove me nuts. I was like "what kind of princess has one jewelry set?" LOL. :lol::lol: ...but yea, maybe we as international viewers are lot more forgiving because we just see it as a story. so we don't catch the mistakes or differences in story perspective.

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2 minutes ago, Lmangla said:

it also might be because international viewers are not aware of the history? it is not like we studied this in school and have an opinion on it one way or the other... so let me give you an example -- you know the live action movie aladdin? I had a strong bit of anti-reaction to it! LOL. not because of the acting but because of the sets and costumes which drove me nuts. I was like "what kind of princess has one jewelry set?" LOL. :lol::lol: ...but yea, maybe we as international viewers are lot more forgiving because we just see it as a story. so we don't catch the mistakes or differences in story perspective.

I know what you mean. :D And I know Korean history because it was part of my major. But I'm still more forgiving. I might rise an eyebrow but that's it. But I think Koreans have a very different view on history and in the end they're not as strict as China with their historical dramas. So we're lucky I guess! :lol:

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@partyon goodness, I've rewatched The Moon Embracing the Sun a few days ago haha

I haven't watched this drama yet, recently I've been watching The Bad Kids so I'd love to join. Hope I can enjoy and be active, thank you for the invitation :D

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1 hour ago, Lmangla said:

so empress ki is based/inspired from a real life historical queen. what are your expectations? do you expect some amount of accuracy? do you expect lots of drama writing liberties? how close do you think historical based dramas should be?

 

Empress Ki sticks to the basic outlines, but isn't accurate, they have changed a lot. I normally prefer it this way as long as it's very clear that they are taking artistic liberties. 

I do like dramas that are very historically accurate too, but need to be in the mood for all the darkness. Wouldn't want to live during those times. Wouldn't mind a short time travelling trip though :P

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As a history teacher I usually read about the dramas history before I watch it if it id based on true characters.

I find it intresting to know and then see how much the writers changes stuff.

 

I think only documentarys are true to the history. The dramas where ever they are made are about real stuff but also  stuff  are changed because it appeals to audience more. ANd it makes people talk more about the drama.

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2 minutes ago, ailanthus said:

@partyon goodness, I've rewatched The Moon Embracing the Sun a few days ago haha

I haven't watched this drama yet, recently I've been watching The Bad Kids so I'd love to join. Hope I can enjoy and be active, thank you for the invitation :D

Yay! Welcome to the rewatch party! :D

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2 minutes ago, ailanthus said:

@partyon goodness, I've rewatched The Moon Embracing the Sun a few days ago haha

I haven't watched this drama yet, recently I've been watching The Bad Kids so I'd love to join. Hope I can enjoy and be active, thank you for the invitation :D


Yay! Welcome onboard @ailanthus !!!! :kiss_wink:
 

Have you watched many sageuks? 


I have never watched one, despite having an almost 10 year love affair with k-dramas. :joy:
I am really looking forward to this drama, as I am a big fan of Ha Ji Won and Ji Chang Wook.

 

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@partyon

Talking of Ha Ji Won.... I LOVED her in Hwang Jin Yi and the movie Duelist.

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On a different note: what I really miss are the ceremonies for good luck for the dramas. I think they still do those but they're not covered by the media as before. :D

 

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11 minutes ago, MVM said:

 

Empress Ki sticks to the basic outlines, but isn't accurate, they have changed a lot. I normally prefer it this way as long as it's very clear that they are taking artistic liberties. 

I do like dramas that are very historically accurate too, but need to be in the mood for all the darkness. Wouldn't want to live during those times. Wouldn't mind a short time travelling trip though :P

true; am a lot more forgiving when they say directly there are basic outlines. sometimes dramas or movies claim to have great accuracy and then it becomes like a hunting ground for viewers to show many mistakes were there. LOL.

but yea, really historical accurate dramas tend to be quite depressing -- wonder why that is... is it not possible to have cheery dramas that are accurate? kekekek....

even with a short time traveling trip into history, I would worry about the most modern of necessities -- the bathroom! LOL. :lol:

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First script reading for the drama back then. :D

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8 minutes ago, Jillia said:

I mean in the end who knows what the history is? Only the people who wrote them down. I think I'm used to the dramas mixing historical facts with fictional elements. It's okay with me as long as it makes sense.

 

I also like when dramas try to see the history from a different point of view. But I remember that Korean viewers don't think like me sometimes. I remember how many people didn't like how the drama "Jang Ok Jung, Live in Love" humanized Jang Ok Jung and tried to explain how she became the way she was. For most people in Korea, she is a scheming concubine who wanted to become queen at all cost. The drama was making her look like the victim and Korean viewers hated it and there were protests. So I think it really depends. Where international viewers are more forgiving, Korean viewers might be not. :)

I am fine with it when they already state that "This is a work of fiction based on historical facts". If they do this I sort of make up my mind that what I am watching is actually a fiction. Like they did in "Haechi" or even in "Royal Gambler". Then I don't see that drama as historical one rather see it as a drama based in a certain era like Joseon or Goryeo. If they include a fictional King like they did in Crowned Clown or Master of the Mask, then also I find it acceptable. But if they use a historical figure and somewhat change how he has been remembered, then an extremely good writing is required to excite, else I don't really like it. 

 

There are some historical figures like Crown Prince Sado and Prince Gwanghae who are quite popular in terms of being shown in movies or dramas. Reasons being there are contradictory facts in history regarding both of them and so I usually look forward to how they'll be portraying them. 

 

But as @Lmangla also mentioned, clothing and setting is very important too.  

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1 minute ago, partyon said:


Yay! Welcome onboard @ailanthus !!!! :kiss_wink:
 

Have you watched many sageuks? 


I have never watched one, despite having an almost 10 year love affair with k-dramas. :joy:
I am really looking forward to this drama, as I am a big fan of Ha Ji Won and Ji Chang Wook.

 

thank you :kiss_wink:

I haven't watched many sageuks but I love watching historical drama even tho I'm bad at history lol

my first sageuk is jewel in the palace and I really love it. what I love from historical drama are the sets, the costumes, and exploring different historical periods so I'm looking forward to this drama.

 

@Jillia thank you, I miss sageuk so I'm happy to join

talk about Hwang Jin Yi, excellently portrayed by HJW

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25 minutes ago, joccu said:

As a history teacher I usually read about the dramas history before I watch it if it id based on true characters.

I find it intresting to know and then see how much the writers changes stuff.

 

I think only documentarys are true to the history. The dramas where ever they are about real stuff but also  stuff  are changes because it appeals to audience more. ANd it makes people talk more about the drama.

thats' true -- as a student, i found it easier to remember the history lesson when I watched a movie. when it was just in the textbook, it seemed so boring but to watch it as a movie made you realize that this was a real period with real people. and while we have all these technological advancements, our emotional responses are very much the same. they haven't changed with time. we all get angry, fall in love, fight, kill, backstab for ambition etc. so in that sense, historical dramas are still very accessible when they concentrate on the emotions -- so from that perspective, perhaps those type of changes are needed for the audience. one of the struggles with saeguks for me is when it is highly political -- so I tend to get confused trying to figure out which minister is in which camp and clan and why it matters etc... so perhaps, simplification means you have a wider audience and with a wider audience, there is more chance for history to feel alive even if it is only a diluted version of it....

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