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@corey @Biology Lesson I love Banghwi but I found more “heat” in the rivalry between Bangwon and Seonho. Acting wise I also enjoyed Dohwan (Seonho) more, so those Bangwon and Seonho confrontations were a lot of fun to me. Also, I think Bangwon had chemistry with everyone, the girl, the Queen, acting wise he had great rapport with Bangan, Namjeon, those scenes with his father were amazing. And last but not least, the ultimate ship, Bangwon and his fan B)

 

@azureblue7 His fast blinking is one of my favorite things :wub:

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16 hours ago, azureblue7 said:

And look at the cute JH below, hard to believe he is mad dog, bad tempered detective Moo..

The only thing I do not like in this video is his hair. Really, the long fringe /no eyebrows/brow  makes him look like a country boy...

17 hours ago, Biology Lesson said:

Oh, How can I! Easily! :) The whole connection was so contrived, to inject this fake character with importance they essentially made it as if Bang Won owed his victory to Hwi, which annoyed me to no end. It was expected since Hwi was the lead, but still annoying.

TBH, now you mentioned it, I also found it strange that the script basically made Hwi a superhero genius, not only excelling at martial arts, but capable of contriving convoluted political plots with double- and triple-crossing. I thought that Bang Won, being a seasoned politician and warrior, could do very well without Hwi, but no... BW seems to admire Hwi, which is also strage given that BW is royalty and Hwi is well, lower class? Therefore my only conclusion regarding their relationship is that BW somehow has fallen for Hwi - otherwise I see no other explanation...

15 hours ago, dramafan33 said:

@corey @Biology Lesson I love Banghwi but I found more “heat” in the rivalry between Bangwon and Seonho. [...].

Also, I think Bangwon had chemistry with everyone, the girl, the Queen, acting wise he had great rapport with Bangan, Namjeon, those scenes with his father were amazing. And last but not least, the ultimate ship, Bangwon and his fan B)

Regarding second lead what I cannot forgive him is the horse slaughtering. He basically lost everything in my eyes with that scene.

 

And yes, I quite agree that JH has chemistry with everything and everyone, LOL.

 

Side note and off-topic, but I could not resist. Includes spoiler for the drama "I'll go to you when the weather is nice"

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I think episode 11 of the drama "I'll go to you when the weather is nice" is a milestone in K-Drama history. The FL (Park Min Young) actually says to the ML "I want to sleep with you" and they do. I was utterly and thoroughly shocked. This does not happen in K-Drama! Especially in such a romantic, slow paced as this one - really, it was worth watching just to see that scene.

I dare not post it in the thread for the drama, for fear of having things thown at me, so forgive me, but I simply had to vent my shock. AFAIK, this has never ever happened in K-Drama before.

 

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7 hours ago, corey said:

 

TBH, now you mentioned it, I also found it strange that the script basically made Hwi a superhero genius, not only excelling at martial arts, but capable of contriving convoluted political plots with double- and triple-crossing. I thought that Bang Won, being a seasoned politician and warrior, could do very well without Hwi, but no... BW seems to admire Hwi, which is also strage given that BW is royalty and Hwi is well, lower class? Therefore my only conclusion regarding their relationship is that BW somehow has fallen for Hwi - otherwise I see no other explanation...

 

Well, another explanation would be bad writing... :rolleyes: you see, the writers of this show had a gimmick- using a real historical event as a back drop for their fictional characters. And they wanted to make them central to the historical event, so they had to make it as though they were important to the  real historical characters involved. And in order to do that they had to reduce Bang Won, to invent a scenario in which Bang Won actually had a secret weapon that was Hwi, when in reality, from what I understood, it was all Bang Won. Essentially they split the real Bang Won and created Hwi and made him into a "Mary sue"- a character that is perfect in everything she does with no growth. And that's boring. To me at least. Bang won excessive trust in Hwi was never justified, but it was necessary for the writers. This show in general suffered from the "tell, not show" syndrome, as it is...

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But as a recall at the end they tried to justify why BW gave so much responsibility to Hwi, right? Suggesting that he felt guilt for the fact that he was responsible for Hwi's father's death...

 

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21 minutes ago, dramafan33 said:

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Its possible that Corey has not finished watching the show. I mean, that was my assumption based on her comments. 

 

 

Well, I actually didn't finish the show :) You don't need to finish to show to see what was going on, and she actually described the same thing I saw, only she had a different explanation to it :) a far sexier explanation...

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3 hours ago, dramafan33 said:
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I meant about BW’s relationship with Hwi’s dad. Even though many ppl suspected it, that wasn’t revealed until the last episodes. I think its a spoiler for her. 

 

Oh, I forgot about that, since I guessed that before that episode was aired :) edited my previous response... 

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7 hours ago, Biology Lesson said:

Well, I actually didn't finish the show :) You don't need to finish to show to see what was going on, and she actually described the same thing I saw, only she had a different explanation to it :) a far sexier explanation...

He he, I also have not finished the show yet, as the internet is so slow these days and fast-forwarding is difficult. Re: sexier explanation, it is again my starved mind, I think :D

 

I honestly wish I watched this show when it aired - maybe then I would have been able to follow the plot line closely. As it was, I was not able to see what the main plot/story line was - is it BW struggle for power - well, no, because BW does not appear until the 3rd episode. Was it the friendship between the boys - well, not entirely, as in the middle of the show it focuses mostly on political struggle between Nam Jeon and BW. Was it a love story - not really. Was it a story about changing regime between Goryeo and Joseon? All it all it was too much for my simple mind.

As usual, to feel better I re-watch episodes 8 and 9 of SOGC. Of course, I always skip the unnecessary filler/comic relief - the FL's gormless gambling brother - but I can never tire of watching the scene of the princes' tournament and the banquet which follows - when Wang So does not know that it is Gaebong telling the princes' fortunes and looks at her coldly, but she has eyes only for him. And poor Im Joo Hwan oppa who loves her so sincerely does not even get a single look from her and a rather unfavourable prophecy!

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2 hours ago, corey said:

He he, I also have not finished the show yet, as the internet is so slow these days and fast-forwarding is difficult. Re: sexier explanation, it is again my starved mind, I think :D

 

I honestly wish I watched this show when it aired - maybe then I would have been able to follow the plot line closely. As it was, I was not able to see what the main plot/story line was - is it BW struggle for power - well, no, because BW does not appear until the 3rd episode. Was it the friendship between the boys - well, not entirely, as in the middle of the show it focuses mostly on political struggle between Nam Jeon and BW. Was it a love story - not really. Was it a story about changing regime between Goryeo and Joseon? All it all it was too much for my simple mind.

As usual, to feel better I re-watch episodes 8 and 9 of SOGC. Of course, I always skip the unnecessary filler/comic relief - the FL's gormless gambling brother - but I can never tire of watching the scene of the princes' tournament and the banquet which follows - when Wang So does not know that it is Gaebong telling the princes' fortunes and looks at her coldly, but she has eyes only for him. And poor Im Joo Hwan oppa who loves her so sincerely does not even get a single look from her and a rather unfavourable prophecy!

Well, I watched it while it aired and still I'm like you- I have no idea what was the main plot. But I will admit, I didn't watch the two first episodes, except the brief scene at the beginning in which JH appeared. I did try and watch episode 3 and 4 in full, but then I got bored by the antics of Hwi's idiot friends and the nonsense drama between the two friends and with the girl and sister. All that was so typical and predictable, that I couldn't produce any interest in watching that. What I realized is that everything in the show that wasn't about the real historical events was badly written. The behavior of both the friends wasn't really justified. It was just drama for drama's sake. Even if I tried, the only interesting character in the show was Bang Won! He was so complex, so emotional, so tough yet so vulnerable to the father.  To me it's clear that the reason this character was so good wasn't the writers, it was JH! And the relationship between Bang won and his dad was the only relationship I was interested in. Bang Won's relationship with Hwi (and with the girl. What was the point in that?!), to me, was as badly written as all the other relationships in the show. No justification for it, except that he is the lead and need to become important. The writers used a very lazy trick to prove Hwi was the greatest and smartest warrior there has ever been- simply make Bang Won impressed with him and make all the warriors that Bang won actually have complete idiots and incompetent. And split the real Bang won, take things that are historically known as done by him, and give them to Hwi. The same went to the girl- how do we prove she tough and smart? Make her win confrontations with Bang Won. 

 

At the end of the day, it really saddened me that JH's magnificent Bang Won was wasted on this show, but I really liked almost all of his scenes, so I guess, it wasn't a total waste. I'm still waiting for someone to put out an edit of the show with only Bang Won's scenes.

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Guys, I'm trying to understand- It this the original look that JH's character had for WOL? And then for some reason they decided to change this to make him look less attractive?! Was an explanation ever given for this?!

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Biology Lesson said:

Guys, I'm trying to understand- It this the original look that JH's character had for WOL? And then for some reason they decided to change this to make him look less attractive?!

 

As I really loathe JH's look in WoL, I did a quick browse through episodes and I found something - at the beginning of ep 7 (based on 30 minutes per ep), there is an incredibly stupid flashback - and it shows JH watching Notting Hills in a theatre - so we are absolutely sure this is 1999 - it is between 2.20 and 2.40 minutes into the episode - a few seconds only- and he looks exactly like in the clip above. And this is incredible - the only difference between looking great and horrible is the fringe! If the fringe is combed back - he looks great - if they flatten the fringe against his forehead - the result is the look we got throughout almost the entire WoL. And I am sure this is deliberately making him look uglier and like a gangster - because almost all of his bad boys have nicely styled hair, with fringe combed back.

 

@Biology Lesson, yes the first two eps of MC were such a horrible mess of the guys either frolicking in the woods or dying in a battlefield. And what was with the obsession with ladies' shoes? I saw someone musing above an embroidered slipper several times. And I am pretty sure this slipper ultimately had nothing to do with the conclusion of the story. I think I will watch the remaining three eps today, just to have it out of my way.

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4 minutes ago, azureblue7 said:

Still keeping his long hair. 

For a moment, I thought I was looking at Power Ranger. :grimace:His helmet...

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@Biology Lesson @corey Yes, this was mentioned. Notice that is also Chilsung’s look in the poster and there were other scenes that he shot with this look. His demeanor was also different. To me it seems JH was playing the character more straightforward, less quirky. The scenes were re-shot per the PDs or writer’s request (I don’t remember who). He definitely looked more handsome originally. Remember, he had just played Piljoo. 
 

I believe you should be able to find interviews where they talk about this. I don’t remember all the details. 
 

@azureblue7 He is punching with some strength and speed here. I normally don’t pay too much attention to his gym practice but this one was a bit different. Happy about his long hair :wub:

 

JH briefly talking about kiss scenes, he says, it used to be hard for him when younger, now that he is older and more experienced it’s no big deal (granted those kisses he had in Gaekju were meh) But anyway, it does not seem to me like he has much reservation when it comes to kissing. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, azureblue7 said:

Still keeping his long hair. 

 


His punches pace are crazy!

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40 minutes ago, dramafan33 said:

@Biology Lesson @corey Yes, this was mentioned. Notice that is also Chilsung’s look in the poster and there were other scenes that he shot with this look. His demeanor was also different. To me it seems JH was playing the character more straightforward, less quirky. The scenes were re-shot per the PDs or writer’s request (I don’t remember who). He definitely looked more handsome originally. Remember, he had just played Piljoo. 
 

I believe you should be able to find interviews where they talk about this. I don’t remember all the details. 

I remember he said that they had to reshoot his scenes because initially he didn't have a handle on Chilsung, didn't know who he was. I only wonder whose decision it was to change his look too. I wonder if it was JH's.

 

40 minutes ago, dramafan33 said:

@azureblue7 He is punching with some strength and speed here. I normally don’t pay too much attention to his gym practice but this one was a bit different. Happy about his long hair :wub:

 

JH briefly talking about kiss scenes, he says, it used to be hard for him when younger, now that he is older and more experienced it’s no big deal (granted those kisses he had in Gaekju were meh) But anyway, it does not seem to me like he has much reservation when it comes to kissing. 

I just saw this video too, and your conclusion is similar to mine! :) with all our discussion, yes to kissing, no to kissing, he did say this in the interview here- no big deal to him anymore :) 

I also love his head movements and expressions here, the moment he thought she was offended. How his feelings are immediately expressed physically in him :) . 

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Finally finished 'Nirvana in Fire'. :wub:

 

Hyukie has still not declared his next project? :w00t:

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1 hour ago, azureblue7 said:

And I love this hairstyle of his too! 

 

 

And @dramafan33 @Batara Aruna , I agree! He is pulling fast speed punches and I didn't speed up the clips..

Yes I love this hairstyle, and also the speed q&a they did with him in this same interview 

 too (but not in this video). It was the one where they asked him a weird question like what do you wash first when you’re bathing. And he blinked in confusion, and then said head first. Hahahaha. 
 

11 minutes ago, fiesty8001 said:

Hyukie has still not declared his next project? :w00t:

Not yet unfortunately! So spoiled in the past that now seems like a long wait! 

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2 hours ago, dramafan33 said:

JH briefly talking about kiss scenes, he says, it used to be hard for him when younger, now that he is older and more experienced it’s no big deal

No big deal...Yeah, right :(. So when was the last time JH had any, huh? I mean a proper one, not a peck?

I just can't believe it. :( The guy is sex on legs, why no-one would give him a nice role with just some nice grown-up and serious romance and emotions?

11 minutes ago, fiesty8001 said:

Hyukie has still not declared his next project? :w00t:

I've been wondering about that too, no news so far.

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