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On 2/19/2020 at 1:24 PM, dramafan33 said:

 

 

I want to see him working again with Soo Ae they had awesome rapport in The Flu (more behind the scenes than in the movie) She spoke so beautifully about him I almost felt like shipping them (but no, his wife is my ship forever) 

 

Yea, wish they explore it more.  They look cute here.

 

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23 hours ago, fiesty8001 said:

CEO of his agency is known for being quiet a thug(not unusual for Korean entertainment agencies though). I don't think JH is involved in the business of his company. 

 

Did a little search and found this article about the whole "secret garden" situation, and it seems that the party at fault the former representatives of Jay Park, who seemed determined to sabotage Jay Park's career, and not the CEO of Sidus. From what I'm reading here the CEO of Sidus only fought for Jay Park. In this case it seems that JH was caught in the cross fire, but I think that if he really resented this situation- he would have surely left Sidus. But he didn't. And not only that, he has shown his support of Jay Park on many occasions. In the interviews in which he was asked about it,  he said he was OK with losing the role, a role that many of you guys say you didn't even like,  even though it had high ratings. 

In this article it's said that "CEO Jung is a widely recognized and respected figure". Reading this article, the CEO of Sidus sounds like a loyal guy and a fighter, not a "thug", which makes sense to me, since I can't imagine JH being loyal to a "thug", considering JH has a strong personality himself. This also explains why Jay Park is such a "fan boy" of JH. Clearly JH was there for him in such a difficult time. Remember, JH himself was in a similar situation, maybe even worse, and in his case too Sidus was there for him, so...

 

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2010/12/sidus-hq-ceo-jyps-heated-history-escalates-with-rumors-of-jay-parks-secret-garden-miscast

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2 hours ago, Biology Lesson said:

  Reading this article, the CEO of Sidus sounds like a loyal guy and a fighter, not a "thug", which makes sense to me, since I can't imagine JH being loyal to a "thug"

I didn't call the CEO a 'thug' for this incident !

 

In my earlier post I have already mentioned that Sidus used to be really good in nurturing talents. 

Even during this Jay Park 'scandal' the Sidus CEO was not at all respectful. He literally called the CEO of Jay Park's former company(J. Y. Park) an a*****e(and more) through his social media account. 

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1 hour ago, fiesty8001 said:

I didn't call the CEO a 'thug' for this incident !

 

In my earlier post I have already mentioned that Sidus used to be really good in nurturing talents. 

Even during this Jay Park 'scandal' the Sidus CEO was not at all respectful. He literally called the CEO of Jay Park's former company(J. Y. Park) an a*****e(and more) through his social media account. 

Reading what happened at the time, Sidus's CEO seemed to be justified in calling him that! The guy interfered in the hiring of Jay Park, essentially trying to destroy him in the industry, in a contract he had no connection to. If I'm not mistaken, in the US he could have been sued for that- I think it's called "tortious interference". So he was lucky he was just called names... And the article said that the CEO of Sidus later deleted that tweet. These are not the actions of a "Thug", but of someone who really cares about his clients, and lost it for a moment when he saw that his client was being harmed. This made me understand JH even more for being so loyal to this guy...

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45 minutes ago, Biology Lesson said:

Reading what happened at the time, Sidus's CEO seemed to be justified in calling him that! The guy interfered in the hiring of Jay Park, essentially trying to destroy him in the industry, in a contract he had no connection to. If I'm not mistaken, in the US he could have been sued for that- I think it's called "tortious interference". So he was lucky he was just called names... And the article said that the CEO of Sidus later deleted that tweet. These are not the actions of a "Thug", but of someone who really cares about his clients, and lost it for a moment when he saw that his client was being harmed. This made me understand JH even more for being so loyal to this guy...

There very few situations in which calling names can be justified and it was not one of them !

His behaviour was completely unprofessional. Sidus had already released their official statement in response of JYP's comments about Jay Park. Honestly no one knows the truth about the nature of dispute between JYP and Jay Park. It's extremely unusual for an idol to leave their groups out of the blue like Jay Park did. It's a miracle that he survived and actually is very successful.

Sidus had protected their artist like any good agency ought to do. The CEO didn't need to lock horns with JYP in the public because JYP's comments were not directed at him. His words also lacked basic decency. In the same year this CEO again had ego clash with C-JeS and made his artists(JH and Kim Sarang) step down from SeGa. Honestly why did he even try to push Jay Park into acting? 

 

 

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44 minutes ago, fiesty8001 said:

There very few situations in which calling names can be justified and it was not one of them !

 

Well, that is your opinion! If you can remain calm when your business is being interfered with, costing you a lot of money, when a person you are responsible for is being defamed and destroyed all across the industry, when your integrity is put into question for working with that person at all- well I guess you must be a superior person to most. I can fully understand him losing it, and, again, I'm kinda surprised he did not sue the former representative of Jay Park. He should have. I guess JH agrees with me cause obviously he still wants to work with Sidus, and I'm sure he knows much more of what was going on behind the scenes than any of us. JH's staunch support for Jay park speaks for itself.

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@Biology Lesson It’s not just Fiesty’s opinion, I believe you need more context. The production REALLY wanted Jang Hyuk NOT Jay Park. Sidus really wanted to push Jay Park, it was a “If you don’t take our Jay Park we don’t give you our Jang Hyuk” situation, and in the end it turned into an ego clash.
They were the ones who absolutely unnecessarily put the production in a difficult position. Why push Jay Park who is not even an actor at the expense of Jang Hyuk who was at the peak of his career? ( And remember they had just sent him to China to make a terrible drama for cash, when they should’ve been very VERY careful about his next project)

 

 The Secret Garden drama and role may not be my cup of tea but it was written FOR Jang Hyuk. When have we seen that before regarding him? KES, the writer, is nowadays one of the most solidly popular writers in Korea, all her dramas are hits (I know many people dismiss her dramas as fluff, and honestly I couldn’t get into Secret Garden or Goblin myself but I LOVED and Im saying top 10 all time favorite category, love Mr Sunshine. I would love for JH to be in a drama like that, with that kind of production value and success, plus in this case, well written and well acted) Anyway it is said KES writes (or used to write) characters inspired by actors she likes and at the time apparently she was into Jang Hyuk.
 

But anyway, the bottomline is Sidus (or was it the CEO?) cared more about their ego war than they cared about their most important artist at the moment. Was Jang Hyuk devastated? Maybe not! But you can’t deny that the whole thing sucks! And aha he might be “strong” willed but he also seems to be loyal and nice to a fault, and I can totally picture him yielding at times (you have observed yourself how even his “best friends” can bully him and some I’m sure clearly use him) Jang Hyuk is super loyal to his friends, are his friends super loyal to him? Who knows? 

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44 minutes ago, dramafan33 said:

@Biology Lesson It’s not just Fiesty’s opinion, I believe you need more context. The production REALLY wanted Jang Hyuk NOT Jay Park. Sidus really wanted to push Jay Park, it was a “If you don’t take our Jay Park we don’t give you our Jang Hyuk” situation, and in the end it turned into an ego clash.
They were the ones who absolutely unnecessarily put the production in a difficult position. Why push Jay Park who is not even an actor at the expense of Jang Hyuk who was at the peak of his career? ( And remember they had just sent him to China to make a terrible drama for cash, when they should’ve been very VERY careful about his next project)

 

 The Secret Garden drama and role may not be my cup of tea but it was written FOR Jang Hyuk. When have we seen that before regarding him? KES, the writer, is nowadays one of the most solidly popular writers in Korea, all her dramas are hits (I know many people dismiss her dramas as fluff, and honestly I couldn’t get into Secret Garden or Goblin myself but I LOVED and Im saying top 10 all time favorite category, love Mr Sunshine. I would love for JH to be in a drama like that, with that kind of production value and success, plus in this case, well written and well acted) Anyway it is said KES writes (or used to write) characters inspired by actors she likes and at the time apparently she was into Jang Hyuk.
 

But anyway, the bottomline is Sidus (or was it the CEO?) cared more about their ego war than they cared about their most important artist at the moment. Was Jang Hyuk devastated? Maybe not! But you can’t deny that the whole thing sucks! And aha he might be “strong” willed but he also seems to be loyal and nice to a fault, and I can totally picture him yielding at times (you have observed yourself how even his “best friends” can bully him and some I’m sure clearly use him) Jang Hyuk is super loyal to his friends, are his friends super loyal to him? Who knows? 

Read the article-  the production didn't have a problem with Jay Park initially. It was only after his former representative, JYP Entertainment, threatened to pull ALL their actors from SBS line up, meaning to boycott SBS, that the production wanted Jay Park out. That's extortion! Why don't you have a problem with that?! They should have been sued for that. And what kind of a company would Sidus have been if they allowed one of the clients to be destroyed in that way? 

But we are talking about JH's being loyal to Sidus- now, if he had a problem with the Sidus's handling of that situation, he most probably would have left. But he didn't. Meaning, he supported their decision to stand by Jay. Hell, maybe he was the one that said- "if Jay's out- so am I!"- who know? I wouldn't put it past JH. Again, don't forget that they did the same for him! I guess this is where his sense of justice comes into play. And he has shown his support for Jay many times. This is who JH is and I respect him tremendously for that. This is his career. The way he handles it is his decision. Of course you can criticize him for it, but I don't. Not on this. It's my personal view. Maybe because I also in my professional life put high value on loyalty and integrity. 

As to this writer, I think the only show of hers that I saw was Goblin, and I hated that show.  I found it embarrassing for the actors! I couldn't believe a completely plot-less show, with such childish characters, was such a success. Seriously! So I don't think JH is missing anything by not being offered her shows... But even if she was the best writer in the world, I still would support his decision to back Jay on this.

I know everyone here wants JH to be top tier actor, but considering who he is, I'm not sure that's possible. Look at Hollywood, and what actors and actresses needed to do in order to get the good parts and Oscars (think about Weinstein...). You think the Korean industry is any different?!

I'm satisfied with where JH is in his career, I love his ability to maintain his integrity and still get leading roles, and I trust him to continue and make good decisions in the future. I'm just glad I was allowed to join him on his ride... :) But this is just me. You can disagree with me. It makes for a lively discussion :D

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2 hours ago, Biology Lesson said:

Well, that is your opinion! If you can remain calm when your business is being interfered with, costing you a lot of money, when a person you are responsible for is being defamed and destroyed all across the industry, when your integrity is put into question for working with that person at all- well I guess you must be a superior person to most. I can fully understand him losing it, and, again, I'm kinda surprised he did not sue the former representative of Jay Park. He should have. I guess JH agrees with me cause obviously he still wants to work with Sidus, and I'm sure he knows much more of what was going on behind the scenes than any of us. JH's staunch support for Jay park speaks for itself.

Before making your opinion you should also consider other side of the picture. JYP invested a lot of money and effort in creating this new boy group called 2PM(WOL's Junho is member of this group) which was fairly popular at it's peak. Jay Park was leader of this group but heaven knows why he had to leave all of a sudden. I think Jay Park is simply not made for working under someone else's authority. By leaving the group(even if he had solid reason) he also put other members' career at the stake. It's not easy to rearrange an idol group because each memeber has been training for years to fulfil a particular role in the group and being the leader and most creative member of the group JP was a huge loss for them. Not just this even 2PM's fandom was divided due to JP's departure and you must already know how important fandom is for the success of idol groups. Jay Park's move was also financial loss for his group and his company. 

 I don't understand why do you support Sidus's CEO's behaviour. Businessmen generally don't have time or inclination to publicly engage in petty verbal fights. Sidus was already doing enough for protecting their artist. CEO's action was totally unnecessary.

 

I think if CEO was really that much concerned about his artists's wellbeing than his other company(which is subsidiary of Sidus) would not have been this pathetic in managing their artists. They recently kicked out two of their singers(one of whom was their cash cow) out of the agency because they were found to be dating. Jay Park left Sidus years ago and now is CEO of his own record label. 

 

As for JH he most likely works with the company because he feels more comfortable and secure with them. JH supports Jay Park because JH is a loyal and generous person and in return JP treats JH with respect. Honestly even though the CEO sucks  as long as he is doing his job well, why should JH or other artists should emotionally invest themselves with his character? In the end of day everyone is here for the business.

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@Biology Lesson Never said I didn’t respect JH of that I don’t value loyalty and let’s not make assumptions about our personal values based on this. I just think this issue was too complicated to base your opinion on only one article stating only one side of things. The whole thing was a mess. 
 

BTW @fiesty8001 did you ever read or heard the rumor that it was Sidus agency actually responsible for the whole military service dodging scandal? That it was actually standard practice for them and most agencies to do this? I did but you are much more well informed on such things so I don’t know if what I read was true or speculation. But this is another reason why I don’t see Sidus actions as “supportive” during those critical years, I see it more like, they actually created the mess. Anyway, in general k-ent is shady business (yes much like Hollywood and possibly ALL business) I’d kinda rather not know much sometimes (the irony is I work in ent business, but hey there’s good and bad everywhere of course) 

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Very long post, brace yourselves haha. 
 

My 2 cents, and I could be wrong, u guys are much more well read about JH’s situation and also his history - is that it isn’t just loyalty at play, but also stability And familiarity. It’s true that JH is loyal, probably extremely loyal sometimes to his “loss”, but I think another aspect that we may be missing out is his preference for stability. 
 

Across other areas in his life too, he strikes me as someone who values familiarity and stability. His family, how he used to talk abt a teacher’s profession if not acting, his predictable and disciplined routine in life - it almost seems like he doesn’t need or crave for thrill or a roller coaster journey to reach success. Also not to forget, he goes to office daily like it is his second home, and changing a new environment especially when you’ve spent 20 years there, the fear can be real. Not that JHisn’t ambitious, he loves challenging himself in various roles, but if he was someone who was an outright risk taker, I think he would have joined another company long ago and let them steer his career to a different direction. But due to his extreme level-headedness And groundedness, it almost seems like he is more of someone who chooses to take on roles/things that he is sure he can deliver (and makes sure he delivers x100) rather than for the fun of it just to challenge himself.
 

I also imagine that post the military scandal, when he was at his rock bottom, perhaps he never expected to be able to get out of it. And anything extra from then on is a bonus. It’s probably a gratitude mindset kicking in (which is good obviously) that makes him think that success is what it is, not everything in life, no one definition, and when you’ve gone through hell, everything you have later you just cherish better. And who knows, maybe a hallyu or chungmuro star status is not what he’s looking for, because it will most definitely come at the expense of something else in his life (to this, I believe there is definitely a causal relationship).

 

(This is not saying that popular stars cannot have a good personal life like what JH has, but there are a lot of scandals that we see in the news). Some examples: LBH was involved in a sex scandal, so was another actor allegedly recently, and these are hugely popular movie actors. Some of the most famous drama actors like SJS and HB and JIS are not married yet (and therefore have the romantic mileage for young girls to fantasize in romantic roles), consequently I think they also have more time to spend focusing on acting? But yet they churn out so much less work than JH, who works hard to the bone because of his sheer love for acting. On the contrary - If you look at Rain, who used to be a super top singer, who married KTH, his shows are not hits at all now, and his success seems dim compared to what he experienced, but hey, they both seem to have a super blissful life. Same goes to Won Bin and LNY (JH’s co-star last time), they are so exclusive no one knows what’s going on with them, apart from adverts they churn out, but they seem happy with what they’ve chosen. 
 

Hence. When I compare him with other actors whom people would typically compare, then honestly it feels that JH has won the game in life, not just the game in the industry. (At least in his own definition I assume, not the world’s definition). He is earnest, genuine, honest in everything he does, and i would not have it any other way for him!

 

Of course we will honestly never at all know what is the true story behind everything and can speculate till the end of time, but I guess we can conclude that we come from places where we just want the best for JH and we think certain actions will lead to a better acting career for him, but truthfully we will not know too, so as long as he is contented, has free reign in choosing characters he likes to act, feels a sense of belonging wherever he is, and has a happy family, I think that’s all that matters. 
 

ok thanks for reading my long opinion haha :lol:

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@The Reel Life You made many excellent points. And it’s true, we won’t ever know for sure what goes on behind the scenes with him. And does it really matter anymore? He seems content and I’m ok with that. I’m grateful and keep praying he will never be involved in any scandal. Just been able to continue enjoying his work is enough. And I don’t even remember how we ended up on this topic lol (its Friday and I’m very tired) 

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6 hours ago, dramafan33 said:


 

BTW @fiesty8001 did you ever read or heard the rumor that it was Sidus agency actually responsible for the whole military service dodging scandal? That it was actually standard practice for them and most agencies to do this? 

Yes I did. As far as I remember after the scandal broke out the police caught two agents whose job was to contaminate the specimens collected for medical evaluation before the enlistment. These agents exclusively worked for high profile clients like actors. I think there were about 100 actors(newbies as well as established) who were suspected of using their service but only three actors'(including JH) names were published in the media. JH and Han Jae Suk(other Sidus actor) promptly submitted themselves for the investigations and claimed that their agencies were not involved and they were sole culprits. But the agent confessed that he directly dealt with the upper management of the Sidus and has not ever met or talked to the actors. He also said the actors were taking the blame because they need their agency to pull them back into the industry. But the actors didn't change their stance and I think either there was no way to prove the involvement of Sidus or the agent was handsomely paid for shutting his mouth afterwards. 

I believe that agent's confession was truthful because if JH and HJS had really decided to dodge military on their own then their agency would've kicked them out. There was no reason for Sidus to protect their unethical artists. But Sidus tried it's best to put JH's(I think HJS left) career on the right track. 

Although for taking service of the agent I think Sidus must have taken actors' permission beforehand or it could have been standard practice in their company.

 

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49 minutes ago, dramafan33 said:

(its Friday and I’m very tired) 

It's Saturday. It's holiday. :w00t:

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Post Jang Hyuk's screenshots in 'Tell Me What You Saw' episodes 7-8 on your Instagram account with the hashtags #본대로말하라 #본말_장혁사수 and stand to win a chameleon doll or autographed poster. Deadline : Feb 24.

 

 

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It’s Saturday, folks!

 

i always wonder whether his eyes are open :)

 

 

 

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On 2/20/2020 at 10:15 PM, corey said:

Indeed the fringe looks bad on JH ROTFL. I know the WOL look, I will look up the other bad harcuts, too. He looks best with his hair parted in the middle and longish, IMHO. Really brings up his eyebrows and rather delicate features.

I like Pil Joo hairstyle. I also like his look in FTLY the short hair. I prefer him in short hair. Anything that is not frindge infront. Usually their fringe is very thick like a mop .

 

On 2/21/2020 at 12:30 AM, fiesty8001 said:

My post is completely  unrelated to the topic of this thread but I've just read the news that one member of a Korean cult is responsible for infecting 30 people with novel coronavirus ! I always wonder why does Korea has so many cults.

Haiz...I also read that the virus in SK is spreading fast too. JH better not do any romantic drama at this point of time. No need for onscreen kisses & intimacy. :grimace:

 

On 2/21/2020 at 9:07 AM, yoeda said:

I'm indifferent about Han Ga In. She maybe stars in most high rated K-Drama but acting wise she make me not interested. But, famous female lead doesn't meant a success if a story suck. cough...cough...WOL.

Oh, I'm fine with her. But then, everyone taste in celebrity is different.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@The Reel LifeWow! Your post is really long & I truly agree with you. You know, there are times I ask myself (because my children asked me) have I gone 'overboard' in my liking or fangirling with JH. In truth, there's nothing that we know about this man except for what we read, what we see on TV and what he is willing to show the public. Behind closed doors of his home, we are not his wife, not his children, not his parents, not even his neighbour who could say HELLO everyday.

 

Naturally we want the best for JH but what do we know what's best for JH? How much do we know his personal thoughts? Sometimes we may debate a certain sentence he said, but how do we know if it's the truth or he's been "tutored" to say this for the public? We don't work in Sidus, we don't follow him around like his Manager does. We don't see the actual thing that is happening except for what is shown to us & what is shown to us probably has been edited. 

 

I like the way JH wants to maintain his relationship with his fans, as he said, a parellel line. Journey together but don't cross each other paths. I know when we like someone, we tend to feel or think every thing about that person is good. His decision is best. Everything about him is almost perfect if not perfect. But JH is just another human being like us. He has his bad days too, bad choices, bad decisions. But whatever it is whether (in our eyes) is good decision or bad decision, good choice or bad choice, we are not in the position to make any judgement. Whatever decision/choice he made is the right decision/choice for that moment.

 

As for his military scandal, again, that's what we read or saw the news on TV. Some people blame Sidus, some people blame JH. Whoever who started this scandal, JH is right to shoulder the blame. He did the right thing. Whether it was Sidus decision for him to dodge or he personally wanted to dodge, JH was a "willing" party despite knowing that this is a no no. Because he owned up to his mistake, paid the price, he is what he is today. If for instance, if he was able to dodge without being caught, do you think you will like a this type of JH? Someone who did something in order to dodge military. Will we still respect such a person?

 

Definitely agree with your post. Sorry mine is rather long too. :grimace:

 

@dramafan33It's been a long work week. Take care of yourself & recharge ya. :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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