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3 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Btw, I forgot to assign a house to Cha Yoon Seo,  I agree with your selection

 

lol - I thought you'd like that :) 

 

By the way, if you have any opinions on the characters I listed as ones I'm unsure about, go for it :) 

 

Cute behind-the-scenes updates from mini-Tae Yi:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGjWx2AFp-C/

 

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGhiIT8FWSo/

 

A clothing brand has claimed one of Jin Gyeom's jackets as theirs

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14 hours ago, kittyna said:

Han Yeo Jin (actually, she's pretty much this personified :P)

And also, most of the students are chosen are legacy candidates, like, they come from wealthy families and one of their parents were ex of this house. I would also agree with this one:approves:.Gosh! I sort of forgot about major of the female lead characters:sweat_smile:

 

14 hours ago, kittyna said:

Shin Yu Kyung (hm - match made in heaven, maybe? ;))

She is some what odd candidate, but I would like to place her in Hufflepuff  house, but her heart is for Slytherin   just like in the drama, she was influenced by the lifestyle of rich people, she will also be influenced by the amount of power t Slyntherin house has in the school administration.

14 hours ago, kittyna said:

Characters I'm not sure about, but would love to discuss further with you guys:

Kimura Shunji (Gaksital)

Lee Yoon Hoo (Nae Il's Cantabile)

Lee Chae Young (Yong Pal)

Yoo Min Hyuk (Alice)

Well, the above character are quite diverse in nature, but except for Lee Yoon Hoo and Yoo Min Hyuk, other two characters have one common thing, that is they turn evil at the end of the drama, which is characteristic of Slytherin house,so, I will choose Slytherin house for Lee Chae Young and Kimura Shunji. And for Lee Yoon Hoo I would go with Gryffindor , kind of a misfit, but the hat which chooses the house for the candidates assigns a house which will help the students to excel and is organic in nature with the attitude and talents of the students, by that logic Lee Yoon Hoo will be choose in Gryffindor house. And coming to Yoo Min Hyuk, I think, I will go with Ravenclaw  because of the logic and rational nature of the house

 

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21 hours ago, kittyna said:

And I definitely hope it's not Min Hyuk in there. :confounded:

 

Like, unless he also has an evil doppelganger running around somewhere, that would just completely contradict everything we've seen from him so far. Granted, it is theoretically possible, but if so, it would feel like the writers are using this "evil doppelganger" like some sort of dark deus ex machina to retroactively explain out of character moments

 

I was actually hoping none from the Family would be the hooded figure.. That's makes outcomes so complicated and sad. :(

 

21 hours ago, kittyna said:

Actually, the whole making of the Episode 14 ending was funny, and the video editors definitely had way too much fun adding sound effects (Psycho theme, anybody?) and editing the footage (so you see Kim Hee Sun backing away on the chair/lift/whatever-you-call-it immediately afterwards). Kudos to JW for the quick switches between Good and Evil Jin Gyeom (Kim Hee Sun looks genuinely startled by the change). And I laughed when JW was all, "Wait - what the hell am I doing?" when KHS prompted him on where/how to grab her.

 

Yes.. Alice editor team used more fun effects for making. 

 

@kittyna, SORTING HAT theme.

Oh I love Harry Potter. Let me see--

 

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Gu Majun- Slytherin

Shin Yu Kyung- Slytherin

(They're match made in heaven.. hurting each other to the fullest)

 

Hwang Tae Hi- Hufflepuff

Baek ja Eun- Gryffindor

 

Lee Kang To-Gryffindor

Mok Dan- Gryffindor.

Shunji- A lost Hufflepuff soul who wanted to be Slytherin.. He's complicated.

 

(Kangto is bit like Harry Potter situation where the hat wants to put him in Slytherin but his heart belongs to Gryffindor.. Kang to to fit him with the society and be superior, pure blood Japanese but ended up going back to his root that is Gryffindor.)

 

Han Gil Ro- Gryffindor

kim Seo Won- Ravenclaw

 

Park Si Won- Hufflepuff

Cha Yeon Seo- Gryffindor

 

Cha Yoo Jin- Ravenclaw

Seol Naeil- Huffllepuff

 

Kim Tae Hyun- Hufflepuff

Han Yeo Jin- Slytherin

 

(Woah Hufflepuff and Slytherin ensures a different kind of chaos..I love you, be there for you but what's right is not right... that's what I got from Yong Pal actually.)

 

Gyun Woo- Ravenclaw

Hye myung- Gryffindor

 

Park Jin Gyeom- May be Hufflepuff

Yoon Tae Yi- Ravenclaw+ Gryffindor

Yoo Min Hyuk- May be Ravenclaw

Do Yeon- Gryffindor+Ravenclaw

 

Alice people mostly men are a bit difficult to figure out.. I am lost on what is their most dominant feature. Jin Gyeom definitely has a strong a loyalty towards certain people and would do anything that to me is Hufflepuff trait. Hufflepuffs go all the way only when they're loyal and knows it it is just. Min Hyuk on the other is calculative and has reasoning, try to go by book and logic.  That screams Ravenclaw.

 

And I just noticed I have all 4 kind from Joo Won drama Characters.

 

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Joo Won is such a sweetheart to do a VLive right After Alice..

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He's doing vlive in 25th october,2020. I was really hoping he'd do one after Alice but also thought his busy schedule may not permit him to do so. But here he is making time so his can have Q/A session with fans.

 

It looks like his agency asked fans to leave questions till 23rd October so he'll probably have pre prepared question so he can share his side of story.

May be we'll get one session like the one that happened at the end of this vlive..except he will be lone this time. That time Min Jin Woong as a part of Yong Pal cast and agency Hyung was with him.

 

https://www.vlive.tv/video/2191?channelCode=FD143

 

 

@kittyna FYI I saw in new soompi rule that now there's no problem in embedding IG photos. 

 

 

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8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

And also, most of the students are chosen are legacy candidates, like, they come from wealthy families and one of their parents were ex of this house. I would also agree with this one

 

8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

She is some what odd candidate, but I would like to place her in Hufflepuff  house, but her heart is for Slytherin   just like in the drama, she was influenced by the lifestyle of rich people, she will also be influenced by the amount of power t Slyntherin house has in the school administration.

 

8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

other two characters have one common thing, that is they turn evil at the end of the drama, which is characteristic of Slytherin house,so, I will choose Slytherin house for Lee Chae Young and Kimura Shunji.

 

For the reasons you described re: Han Yeo Jin and Shin Yu Kyung, I also think Lee Chae Young could be Slytherin.

 

As for Kimura Shunji...I'm not feeling it, to be honest. I'm with @flutterby06 in thinking he's something of a complicated misfit. My understanding of how Slytherin works (so, @flutterby06, feel free to correct me as the expert) is that even if you exhibit the traits linked to the house, the Sorting Hat won't place you there if you don't want it to, with Harry Potter himself as a famous example; the argument is that someone who really values the ambition and ruthlessness of Slytherin wouldn't refuse the opportunity to join ;) 

 

Given that, I actually imagine it going down like this, if there was some weird mashup between Gaksital and the Harry Potter universe: Shunji's family has historically been Slytherin, such that even Kenji (who doesn't necessarily exhibit the right traits) is still placed there due to his desire to appease his father. However, Shunji is the black sheep of the family who, because of a desire to shy away from these traits (which he actually does possess) in favour of pursuing a kinder way through life, ends up being placed in Hufflepuff instead. :lol: lol - it's the Sorting Hat equivalent of what happened at the kendo tournament in Gaksital :P 

 

3 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

(Kangto is bit like Harry Potter situation where the hat wants to put him in Slytherin but his heart belongs to Gryffindor.. Kang to to fit him with the society and be superior, pure blood Japanese but ended up going back to his root that is Gryffindor.)

 

That's an interesting argument; I hadn't thought of that. I personally still see him as Slytherin because his focus is still relatively narrow and focused on himself as an individual or a small circle of people he cares for: he's slow to adopt the nationalistic or revolutionary ideals of his comrades even after he becomes Gaksital. But if we were to go all the way back to when Kang To was younger - before he got so jaded and cynical by all the crap his family went through - I can see Gryffindor working as an alternative path :) 

 

8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

And for Lee Yoon Hoo I would go with Gryffindor , kind of a misfit, but the hat which chooses the house for the candidates assigns a house which will help the students to excel and is organic in nature with the attitude and talents of the students, by that logic Lee Yoon Hoo will be choose in Gryffindor house.

 

I can see your logic here, but I'm still sitting on the fence re: Lee Yoon Hoo, to be honest. Like Yoo Min Hyuk (see below), I can see him coming off as someone from one house, while actually exhibiting the personality traits and values of a couple others. He's sort of cryptic like that. What do you think, @flutterby06?

 

8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

And coming to Yoo Min Hyuk, I think, I will go with Ravenclaw  because of the logic and rational nature of the house

 

3 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

Min Hyuk on the other is calculative and has reasoning, try to go by book and logic.  That screams Ravenclaw.

 

Same. I thought of Min Hyuk's tendency to do things by the book, but I think there's also reasonable argument for Hufflepuff given that, out of the main players in "Alice"'s administration, he's the one who joined with the purest intent: as someone who genuinely believed that creating time travel would help people to heal from past bereavements or traumas. And it's observing how those pure principles have been so grossly violated by both his clients (e.g. Yang Hong Seob) and now his own colleagues that's making him change his mind.

 

So...maybe a bit of both? But either way, I imagine Min Hyuk would be the sort of person who'd look like a Slytherin at first until you get to know him. Same with Jin Gyeom, actually - I guess that part runs in the family ;) 

 

3 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

Hwang Tae Hi- Hufflepuff

Baek ja Eun- Gryffindor

 

One Hufflepuff and one Gryffindor from each of us - just the other way around :P 

 

Actually, I do seem to be the general outlier in my own choices, looking at all three of our lists side-by-side. So I'm just as fascinated by the ones where we were unanimous (Park Si On, Cha Yoon Seo, Cha Yoo Jin, Gyun Woo, Hye Myung, Han Yeo Jin, etc.) as I am by the ones where we differed.

 

21 minutes ago, flutterby06 said:

FYI I saw in new soompi rule that now there's no problem in embedding IG photos. 

 

Thanks! I saw that, too - but I guess I got into the habit of posting hyperlinks now, especially since I got some feedback that it's easier for mobile users to read the posts that way.

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6 hours ago, kittyna said:

My understanding of how Slytherin works (so, @flutterby06, feel free to correct me as the expert) is that even if you exhibit the traits linked to the house, the Sorting Hat won't place you there if you don't want it to, with Harry Potter himself as a famous example; the argument is that someone who really values the ambition and ruthlessness of Slytherin wouldn't refuse the opportunity to join ;) 

 

Correct.. Sorting hat will definitely take heart's deepest thought in to consideration..those who are real lover of ambition and ruthlessness will not leave the opportunity.

 

The reason why I find Shunji is a lost hufflepuff(He used to be not judgemental and value a person's inner self, loyal, not ambitious) and not true Slytherin is because he didn't enjoy being the Slytherin. He just ended up going blindly so deep into the role of a despicable soul he just didn't couldn't bring himself back to his old self nor did he try to come in terms with what he had become!

 

6 hours ago, kittyna said:

Given that, I actually imagine it going down like this, if there was some weird mashup between Gaksital and the Harry Potter universe: Shunji's family has historically been Slytherin, such that even Kenji (who doesn't necessarily exhibit the right traits) is still placed there due to his desire to appease his father. However, Shunji is the black sheep of the family who, because of a desire to shy away from these traits (which he actually does possess) in favour of pursuing a kinder way through life, ends up being placed in Hufflepuff instead. :lol: lol - it's the Sorting Hat equivalent of what happened at the kendo tournament in Gaksital :P 

 

Such a great analogy.. And isn't Shunji's situation so similar to Sirius Black situation? Not character wise, just the family circumstances. Shunji's family being the Pureblood like the Blacks and him associating himself with unspeakable mixed blood or muggleborn, happy being by their side like Sirius.

 

6 hours ago, kittyna said:
9 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

Hwang Tae Hi- Hufflepuff

Baek ja Eun- Gryffindor

 

One Hufflepuff and one Gryffindor from each of us - just the other way around :P 

 

But I see you considered his Hufflepuff traits too..so it's just he has both traits. I find Hwang Tae Hee as a kind soul to everyone. He seemed to be understanding of everyone tried to be understanding and sometimes mentor of both sides whenever he was in between choices. Like his mother vs. Ja Eun. His brother Tae Beom vs. sis-in-law Soo Young etc.

6 hours ago, kittyna said:

Actually, I do seem to be the general outlier in my own choices, looking at all three of our lists side-by-side. So I'm just as fascinated by the ones where we were unanimous (Park Si On, Cha Yoon Seo, Cha Yoo Jin, Gyun Woo, Hye Myung, Han Yeo Jin, etc.) as I am by the ones where we differed.

 

It's interesting that so many of our's actually matched. Looks like they got solid traits from their respective houses! :joy:

 

 

 

Joo Won News

 

 

Actor Joo-Won Fan Alliance,'donating 3 tns of rice for the vulnerable'

 
Source: Image provided by Together Love Field (Actor Joo-won fan association donated 3 tons of rice for the vulnerable class of Corona 19.)Source: Image provided by Together Love Field (Actor Joo-won fan association donated 3 tons of rice for the vulnerable class of Corona 19.)

With the re-proliferation of Corona 19, it is more desperate to share with children from vulnerable groups, the elderly, and the disabled. Recently, the news that the actor Joo-won fan association donated 3 tons of rice to the NGO'Love Field Together' was reported.

Actor Joo-won's fan association goes beyond a simple fan alliance through constant volunteer activities and sharing, such as mural voluntary activities to improve the environment in vulnerable areas and helping corona 19 flower farmers, and has a lot of interest in the socially underprivileged with actor Joo-won. Has steadily continued its good influence.

In particular, this donation of 3 tons of rice served as a support for marginalized neighbors at a time when a total of 200 people from not only domestic but also overseas fans participated and showed an example of fan culture, as well as the distance of sharing with Corona 19.

A beautiful fan manager with Joo-won Supporters & Joo-won, who prepared this rice donation, said, “I am grateful to the fans who have been a great help to actor Joo-won's activities. I hope it will be a small addition to those who are having a harder time than ever with Corona 19.” In addition, he said, "We will continue to support actor Joo-won's activities through various social contribution activities."

Meanwhile, through the social contribution of various companies and organizations, including rice donated by the Joowon Fan Association, the NGO practicing'Love Fields Together' will provide continuous and diverse support for vulnerable groups suffering from Corona 19.

 

Original News Link: http://www.sideview.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=5728

 

 

Joo Won also shared the news on IG story with a caption "After all..My Wonderful Fans :heart:"

 

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14 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

I was actually hoping none from the Family would be the hooded figure.. That's makes outcomes so complicated and sad. :(

 

Same. But if, worst case scenario, it had to be one of them, I somehow would rather it be an evil version of Jin Gyeom than Min Hyuk. Maybe because we already know one Evil Jin Gyeom exists, so the idea's easier to wrap my head around.

 

4 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

The reason why I find Shunji is a lost hufflepuff(He used to be not judgemental and value a person's inner self, loyal, not ambitious) and not true Slytherin is because he didn't enjoy being the Slytherin. He just ended up going blindly so deep into the role of a despicable soul he just didn't couldn't bring himself back to his old self nor did he try to come in terms with what he had become!

 

And the sad thing is that Shunji's dark turn was almost entirely done with good intentions: a desire to both avenge his brother and replace him in his father's eyes. Kang To's dark turn, by comparison, had some element of personal ambition or greed; in addition to wanting to help his brother, he was also tired of being pushed around just for being Korean.

 

4 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

And isn't Shunji's situation so similar to Sirius Black situation? Not character wise, just the family circumstances. Shunji's family being the Pureblood like the Blacks and him associating himself with unspeakable mixed blood or muggleborn, happy being by their side like Sirius.

 

lol - Now that brings me back. I haven't worked with the Gaksital characters in ages, but I do remember that being one of my favourite aspects of writing Shunji's character ;) 

 

4 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

But I see you considered his Hufflepuff traits too..so it's just he has both traits. I find Hwang Tae Hee as a kind soul to everyone. He seemed to be understanding of everyone tried to be understanding and sometimes mentor of both sides whenever he was in between choices. Like his mother vs. Ja Eun. His brother Tae Beom vs. sis-in-law Soo Young etc.

 

lol - @kireeti2 said more about Tae Hui's Hufflepuff traits than me; I just pointed out that I could see them without specifying how :P 

 

Which makes me wonder: what about the other three brothers? Personally, I could see Tae Beom as a Ravenclaw with some Slytherin traits (given his intelligence, but also his shady methods as a reporter) and Tae Pil as a Slytherin (because I tend to associate Slytherins with being good businessmen, and his conman side job also works with the trickster side of that house). However, neither fit is perfect, and I'm drawing blanks on Tae Sik entirely. So...anybody?

 

4 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

It's interesting that so many of our's actually matched. Looks like they got solid traits from their respective houses! 

 

I was actually expecting some variation for Park Si On (who could also arguably be Ravenclaw) and Cha Yoo Jin (who also has some Gryffindor traits - mostly in his stubborn streak and his willingness to stick his neck out for his friends), but we actually all focused on the same aspects of both characters :D 

 

Coming back to the Nae Il's Cantabile characters, I didn't mention him before, but I definitely think Yoo Il Rak is a classic Gryffindor ;) As for Lee Yoon Hoo - the wild card - I...somehow see elements of both Gryffindor and Hufflepuff in him. Like, he's definitely got the kindness and people skills of Hufflepuff down pat - and that's also in line with his desire to get away from the toxic competitive world he was in before - but I can also see the Sorting Hat putting him in Gryffindor to give him the boost in courage he needs to confront his fears.

 

4 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

Actor Joo-Won Fan Alliance,'donating 3 tns of rice for the vulnerable'

 

Thanks for sharing! I know it was JW's fans rather than JW himself doing this, but I love that he also gave them a shoutout on Instagram :) 

 

Park Jin Gyeom and Yoo Min Hyuk's behind-the-scenes footage, with English subs (yes, I know embedding is allowed, but it's also refusing to load properly for me when I do):

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGpTHl1nPoC/

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGpTmgRHl8_/

 

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1 hour ago, kittyna said:

Short teaser clip for Episode 15 of Alice:

I am assuming that it is the scene after PJG  tried to harm Kim Do Yeon.

For some reason it feels like writers are trying to pair Kim Do Yeon with PJG's partner. Like, there are few subtle hits that they might end up together in the end. It's not like that I was expecting PJG and Kim Do Yeon to end together, but the pairing between KDY and PJG's partner came out of nowhere.

1 hour ago, kittyna said:

Dang...I figured the show was going to go there re: Jin Gyeom's character, but seeing what he does after smashing the mirror still caught me off guard.

I was also surprised that he tried to kill himself, but it also looked like a low-key mental health issue. And also, I like how TY(2020) was there to help PJG

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7 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I am assuming that it is the scene after PJG  tried to harm Kim Do Yeon.

 

Going by how they're dressed, I actually think this is pretty early in Episode 15, after Jin Gyeom nearly kills Tae Yi. But Alice does have a tendency to repeat costumes for its characters, so we'll have to wait and see.

 

7 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I was also surprised that he tried to kill himself, but it also looked like a low-key mental health issue. And also, I like how TY(2020) was there to help PJG

 

I knew to expect something like this since knowing the part of the prophecy that says Jin Gyeom's fated to kill his mother. That's something the Good Jin Gyeom would never accept about himself - and for good reason - and my guess is that up until now, he thought he could actually just be a good person and everything would be fine. He hadn't accounted for this dark hooded figure and its ability to make him do the exact opposite of what he wants: attacking Kin Dong Ho, he could attribute to mistaking him for the villain; but attacking Tae Yi...there is no other explanation than the prophecy. 

 

However, it had also crossed my mind that this hooded person would be cruel enough to deny Jin Gyeom that sort of closure even if he were to attempt suicide as a last-ditch attempt to avoid hurting those around him. Because that person also seems to have control over time, it could easily freeze time whenever Jin Gyeom tries to stop or kill himself. Right now, I think its goal is to turn Jin Gyeom into a monster like it has with his evil doppelganger. And if he's not going to just follow its lead (like Evil Jin Gyeom did), then it will resort to just driving him insane.

 

JW's new Instagram post:

 

 

More set photos (embedding not working for these two; I just get a blank space :P):

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGrwZQ7nfvf/

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGrlFGunxSp/

 

And I know we'll get our answer soon, but what the heck???

 

 

I mean, considering that we also see all three main cast members in "Alice" in this set of stills, it's even more confusing now just who this person is.

7 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

For some reason it feels like writers are trying to pair Kim Do Yeon with PJG's partner. Like, there are few subtle hits that they might end up together in the end. It's not like that I was expecting PJG and Kim Do Yeon to end together, but the pairing between KDY and PJG's partner came out of nowhere.

 

Dong Ho (i.e. Jin Gyeom's partner) has had feelings for Do Yeon the entire time. The question has just been whether Do Yeon decides to reciprocate.

 

[EDIT]

 

The set photos actually came with a full-blown YouTube video, so here you go :) 

 

 

 

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This really doesn't make any sense, but I would like to appreciate the make artist job done on Joo won and acting of Joo Won as old self(at least that's what I think)

And I am also worried that Joo won or his character maybe trolled , for too many twists and turns. Because the drama is using or if not, totally depended on unexpected arch of the characters and also, there is no proper explanation for the arch other than bringing up the parallel universe reason. So, I think the writers should have solid reason to explain for making Joo won play his old-self character

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGsKuEdJ_Nx/

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27 minutes ago, kireeti2 said:

This really doesn't make any sense, but I would like to appreciate the make artist job done on Joo won and acting of Joo Won as old self(at least that's what I think)

 

Yeah - I wasn't entirely sure what I was seeing at first, but the thing that really made it sink in for me that this was apparently an older version of Jin Gyeom is when they spoke at the same time. Like, not in a coincidental way, but in a "they literally share one mind" sort of way.

 

I, like, really want to see the costume/makeup behind-the-scenes for this bit, or even for some of the Evil!Jin Gyeom scenes from earlier episodes. It's too bad that Korean drama awards seldom do anything for the production crew (screenplay, cinematography, visual effects, sound editing, costume, makeup, etc.), because they really deserve kudos for what they've done for Alice so far. Like, we can somehow have a gazillion different categories for acting (such that it almost cheapens the whole awards concept), but none for production? I didn't think much of it before, but after seeing Alice now, I just don't think that's fair.

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2 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

And I am also worried that Joo won or his character maybe trolled , for too many twists and turns. Because the drama is using or if not, totally depended on unexpected arch of the characters and also, there is no proper explanation for the arch other than bringing up the parallel universe reason. So, I think the writers should have solid reason to explain for making Joo won play his old-self character

 

I didn't see this part when I replied earlier - sorry.

 

For me, I actually don't have a hard time wrapping my mind around this being yet another parallel version of Jin Gyeom - because I do think the writers have laid a lot of groundwork for that in the past couple of episodes. But for me, just from these little snippets and screenshots, I have a few questions that I hope either the full version of this episode or the final episode will answer:

  1. Why does the Teacher have the same gun that Tae Yi (2020)'s father was shown with in Episode 1? Is there a connection between them that we don't yet know about, such as the Teacher being the original author of the book?
  2. In Episode 14, Park Sun Young tells Yoo Min Hyuk that Jin Gyeom would try to find the Teacher and that MH should try to stop him at all costs. Does this mean she (and possibly Min Hyuk as well) suspected who the Teacher was all along?
  3. To what extent are Jin Gyeom and the Teacher actually the same person? It appears from the ending of this episode that Jin Gyeom's ability to travel spontaneously through time might be something that's innately his, as it does save his life from the Teacher this time around. But how is that possible, and is this escape something the Teacher accounted for?
  4. What is the Teacher's ultimate goal? I think this is probably why the whole "parallel version" theory is falling a bit flat right now: we know he exists, but not why. I, too, worry that the developments from Episode 13 onward were just thrown in to add suspense to the story (you guys already saw my comments on the prophecy in my take on Episode 14, for instance), so I hope there's some sort of closure here as well.
  5. It looks like Jin Gyeom will get one last chance to go back to 2010 and fix things. But the whole premise of Alice's version of time travel is that what happens in one universe doesn't directly affect its parallels. So how would Jin Gyeom go about trying to save his mother one last time - and what purpose would that actually serve?
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Just wondering: do you guys remember when all the main cast members of Alice took turns playing with the rapid aging filter on their phones and posted the results online?

 

(Not the original posts, but re-posts by a fan - and embedding's glitchy again :P)

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGpa9reATA4/

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGpTrapAmyx/

 

Yeah, um, in hindsight...they were totally teasing the ending, weren't they? ;) 

 

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So, I didn't get the "Teacher" making that I was hoping for, but this behind-the-scenes video is still fun.

 

 

Once again, it's great that the production crew decided to show the entire process for rehearsing and filming a fight scene: from slow-mo rehearsals with the actors, each actor taking turns with a stunt double at full speed, and then the actual filming.

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11 hours ago, kittyna said:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGpa9reATA4/

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGpTrapAmyx/

 

Yeah, um, in hindsight...they were totally teasing the ending, weren't they? ;) 

 

I thought the same when watching old Jin Gyeom... so this is why they had that filter.. they were teasing us.

 

11 hours ago, kittyna said:

 

So, I didn't get the "Teacher" making that I was hoping for, but this behind-the-scenes video is still fun.

This is such a fun making.. They're all full of energy in shooting set.

 

17 hours ago, kittyna said:
  • Why does the Teacher have the same gun that Tae Yi (2020)'s father was shown with in Episode 1? Is there a connection between them that we don't yet know about, such as the Teacher being the original author of the book?
  • In Episode 14, Park Sun Young tells Yoo Min Hyuk that Jin Gyeom would try to find the Teacher and that MH should try to stop him at all costs. Does this mean she (and possibly Min Hyuk as well) suspected who the Teacher was all along?
  • To what extent are Jin Gyeom and the Teacher actually the same person? It appears from the ending of this episode that Jin Gyeom's ability to travel spontaneously through time might be something that's innately his, as it does save his life from the Teacher this time around. But how is that possible, and is this escape something the Teacher accounted for?
  • What is the Teacher's ultimate goal? I think this is probably why the whole "parallel version" theory is falling a bit flat right now: we know he exists, but not why. I, too, worry that the developments from Episode 13 onward were just thrown in to add suspense to the story (you guys already saw my comments on the prophecy in my take on Episode 14, for instance), so I hope there's some sort of closure here as well.
  • It looks like Jin Gyeom will get one last chance to go back to 2010 and fix things. But the whole premise of Alice's version of time travel is that what happens in one universe doesn't directly affect its parallels. So how would Jin Gyeom go about trying to save his mother one last time - and what purpose would that actually serve?

 

I would like to add some comment and question along with your points.

 

1.  Same gun.. Also why Choi Won Shik and Old Jin Gyeom both use regular pistol not Alice one.

 

2. I don't know if MH knows who's the teacher.. But he definitely got the plan. He said to Jin Gyeom in Ep 15----

 

"He is the one who killed your mother...He is now coming after Professor Yoon...by using you."

 

3.   4.  5  I myself is still have different opinion that Teacher and Old Jin Gyeom is same Guy... Or Old Jin Gyeom is the actual Killer of Omma Tae Yi back in 2010. Why I thought like that before 2010 was because Choi Oh Won in an episode said that read from Book of Prophecy that "the moment of fulfilling the prophecy has not started yet." It was supposed to start when Jin Gyeom time travels and take control over time. So I believe someone else of the evil gang killed Omma Taeyi (Like how Choi Oh Won was telling the story of a mosnter.)That the killer is now trying to make it his mission so Jin Gyeom be the killer. As monster couldn't killed the child he would make it his mission to turn the child a monster. The gang is trying to fulfil the prophecy by making JG the monster and may be get rid of him in the process.

 

 

Another interesting point is in Choi Oh Won and Prof. Taeyi's conversation. 

 

Taeyi: The TEACHER new what was in last page of the book, didn't he? Then why did he stayed quite until now?

Oh Won: Because it's important for you and Park Jin Gyeom to know the Prophecy, not us.

(He said us)

 

I assume when Yoon Tae Yi and Park Jin Gyeom knows the prophecy and act according to it or may be do something by misinterpreting it, it goes to the advantage of Teacher.

 

I also don't think everything we're seeing are happening in multiple universe... I think it's happening in the same universe may be due to some kind of time paradox because of birth of Park Jin Gyeom. because how each characters are entangled there must be some kind of abnormality happening to our(current) universe. I don't have proper scientific explanation. I just feel like it by connecting different tid bits from Alice.

 

 

 

 

I actually enjoyed ep 15 a lot..more than I thought I would enjoy it. It was interesting to see relationship of the family members fit into exactly where they should be... That was so satifying..but then Appa Omma had to die...But there's Jin Gyeom saying he'll save everyone and deal with Old Jin Gyeom later. Will we have a reset and get precious lives back? I beleive JG will be able to save Professor Tae Yi but can he save his mother? I do not think so but I will watch it with open mind becuse Alice writer has definitly positively surprised me. I absolutely love how so many things can happen in Alice in just one episode.

 

 

Will share more of my thoughts on ep 15 after watching 16. I don't think my curiosity on how things are wrapping up can wait till subtitles. I usually try to watch last two episodes together with subtitles when watching drama of intense genre . But Alice is breaking every rule.

 

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1 hour ago, flutterby06 said:

Will share more of my thoughts on ep 15 after watching 16. I don't think my curiosity on how things are wrapping up can wait till subtitles. I usually try to watch last two episodes together with subtitles when watching drama of intense genre . But Alice is breaking every rule.

 

The funny thing for me is that Alice episodes air during the days of the week (Friday and Saturday) when I'm actually the busiest in real life, meaning that I never actually have the time to watch new episodes on the actual day. Instead, I usually only get around to both new episodes about two days after, which means that just from YouTube and Instagram, I already have some general sense of what's going on. Usually, I already know the major plot twists (e.g. for Episode 15: who dies, who's the Teacher, etc.), and that gives me a chance to step back and start thinking through my review/analysis before I even watch the full thing.

 

In other words: I'm sort of simultaneously watching Alice for the first and second time (talk about a time paradox :P). And that's actually given me a perspective where I can confidently say that Alice is a drama that works best on a second viewing. Watch it the first time for all the twists and turns, but watch it for a second time if you really want to wrestle with and delve into the major themes in the drama. ;) 

 

1 hour ago, flutterby06 said:

3.   4.  5  I myself is still have different opinion that Teacher and Old Jin Gyeom is same Guy... Or Old Jin Gyeom is the actual Killer of Omma Tae Yi back in 2010. Why I thought like that before 2010 was because Choi Oh Won in an episode said that read from Book of Prophecy that "the moment of fulfilling the prophecy has not started yet." It was supposed to start when Jin Gyeom time travels and take control over time. So I believe someone else of the evil gang killed Omma Taeyi (Like how Choi Oh Won was telling the story of a mosnter.)That the killer is now trying to make it his mission so Jin Gyeom be the killer. As monster couldn't killed the child he would make it his mission to turn the child a monster. The gang is trying to fulfil the prophecy by making JG the monster and may be get rid of him in the process.

 

This is one part I think I'll really need to watch with subs to understand fully, but it sounds like a variation on the classic liar's paradox (i.e. "This statement is false." or "I'm lying."), where the mother thinks she's beaten the monster. BUT the monster then breaks the rules by turning her child into itself.

 

However, the concept that the antagonist's goal is to turn the protagonist into a monster like itself is actually pretty classic. I brought up Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde as a literary example, but you also see the same thing in the Lord of the Rings series (where the evil ring tries to prevent its own destruction by fostering greed and selfishness in anyone who owns it), and - for a K-drama example - in the climactic episodes of I Hear Your Voice (i.e. if you say I'm a monster for murdering your father, wouldn't you be a monster by taking revenge?).

 

1 hour ago, flutterby06 said:

But there's Jin Gyeom saying he'll save everyone and deal with Old Jin Gyeom later. Will we have a reset and get precious lives back? I beleive JG will be able to save Professor Tae Yi but can he save his mother? I do not think so but I will watch it with open mind becuse Alice writer has definitly positively surprised me. I absolutely love how so many things can happen in Alice in just one episode.

 

That's where my last question from my first impression of Episode 15 comes from. We see in the Episode 16 preview that Seok Oh Won tells Jin Gyeom that even if he saves his mother in this timeline (whichever one it is), it won't actually change the future. So we'll have to wait and see just what exactly this "reset" looks like.

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Okay.. so what just happened.

 

May be it's better to comment after subtitles but Alice seemed to be just went too heavy on open ending or I just didn't really understand it.

So I was thinking about open ending when I first started Alice. But after episode 15 I was like they would probably not give us that usual open ending..

 

But it feels like all those theories comes to an end without tying their ends together. 

 

Anyways I will wait to see what you all think about it, see the subtitled episode and comment.

 

But Episode 15 was actually the real ending..the ending of the universe we knew and loved..I kind of feel so selfish to say that but that's how I really feel.

 

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I gotta say, @flutterby06, that your comment about Episode 16 was so intriguing that I really wanted to see what all the fuss was about. I haven't gotten there yet, but by breaking it down into lots of little snippets rather than sitting down and watching it in one go, I did manage to get through Episode 15 - so I'll give my spiel on that first.

 

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First of all, let me get my bit of fair criticism out of the way first: as poignant and moving as Yoo Min Hyuk and Yoon Tae Yi's deaths were, as a general whole, the long chain reaction of characters killing each other off in this episode was a tad much. We felt for Min Hyuk and Tae Yi because we cared for them as characters and knew how much they both mattered to Jin Gyeom (although he's rather reluctant to admit that about Min Hyuk just yet), but the numerous antagonists' deaths (starting from Oh Si Young's in Episode 14 onward) started to feel really cliché by the time we got to the end of the chain. Like, I get we were supposed to root for Jin Gyeom in those moments, but there was something really cartoonish about the cumulative effect, and the surprise factor was lost on me.

 

However, that aside, I honestly loved this episode - and my guess right now is that I'll love the finale as well. Why? Because I love where this drama's going with Jin Gyeom's connection with the Teacher. I will admit to being rather put off by it at first, back in Episodes 13 and 14; it seemed to have no real connection to anything we'd seen prior to that point (save for that glimpse of the Teacher in Episode 1, which I completely forgot about until @kireeti2 pointed it out), and I honestly suspected that the writers were throwing in the possibility that Evil!Jin Gyeom killed Park Sun Young for its shock value and nothing else. 

 

So how did I go from hating this twist to loving it? Well, I don't know if it's ever happened to you guys while watching a drama, when there's that one moment or line of dialogue and it all just "clicks" in your head, and all of a sudden, everything makes sense? Well, that happened to me here with the line in the prophecy about "[Sun Young's] marvelous creation." I will confess to figuring it out a fraction of a moment before Tae Yi does (although it's because I already knew how this episode would end, so it's nothing really to brag about), and once it did...wow. :) 

 

We knew all along that "our" Jin Gyeom was different from his numerous parallel versions. In addition to being the one who successfully became good through his mother's guidance, Tae Yi rightfully pointed out to him in this episode that it wasn't just her. "Our" Jin Gyeom's been slowly shaped into the person we love by all the people who cared for him and showed him unconditional love in the ten years since his mother's death: Do Yeon, Go Ahjussi and his wife, the rest of his team, etc. What that means is that "our" Jin Gyeom's not only starting off on a better foot than his parallel version (who we saw in Episode 13 was already corrupted by the Teacher's influence as a teenager), but that he has it inside of him not to succumb to the same bitterness that the Teacher himself experienced as a young man.

 

(Given that, huge kudos for Jin Gyeom's do-over with Do Yeon in this episode. I don't know how they'll end up in Episode 16 - don't tell me either, guys - but I love that he was there for her when she needed him. And I also love their little confessions to each other, even if it's purely platonic on Jin Gyeom's end; and Do Yeon's "Wait - don't come here" moment when she realized that the attack on her might be a trap for him.)

 

However, just because "our" Jin Gyeom has a good head start doesn't mean he's good to go - and herein lies the brilliance of these final episodes, I think. He hadn't been aware of this potential for darkness inside of him before, but the events of Episode 14 helped him to realize that; and after Tae Yi pulled him back from the brink and helped him see that there's another way out than just letting that darkness control him...that influence disappears. First win for "our" Jin Gyeom :) - he's already gotten farther than any of his predecessors in this cycle. But he's not done yet. The only way he can stop this cycle now is if he completely destroys that darkness inside of himself: he has to kill himself, but not in the way we saw in the beginning of the episode. Instead, he has to kill the evil inside of himself that's outwardly manifested by the Teacher...even if it means he himself ceases to exist in the process.

 

And I find that a really important life lesson for all of us: that at the end of the day, the only one who could stop each of us from succumbing to selfishness, bitterness, or temptation is ourselves. Sure, those around us could guide us on the right path, but ultimately, it's always going to be us as individuals against our own inner demons, and I love that Alice is showing that in such a concrete way here. :approves:

 

That being said, although I could see why the drama's writers want Jin Gyeom to end this battle alone...RIP Papa Min Hyuk  :criesariver: I don't think the show "did him dirty" as some viewers have said, but I did find it heartwrenching that he died without the sense of closure that I think we all wanted for him. Instead, we see him reflecting back on his life and thinking about what he would have done differently if he could: staying by 2050-Tae Yi's side rather than insisting that she get an abortion. It's true that he really stepped into his own as Jin Gyeom's father in this episode, which is what makes his death all the more tragic: we imagine all the potential ways he could have helped Jin Gyeom (and eventually win Jin Gyeom's trust) in the future if he'd had the chance. However, here, too, is an important life lesson: we really only get one shot at this life, and sometimes (I'd argue more often than not, actually), we do end up leaving this world bearing more regrets than closure. So we should - like Min Hyuk does - make the most of what little unknown time we have left, because we never know when that end will come.

 

And for those who are wondering why there's no RIP for Tae Yi yet? Because I know already that her story's not over ;) 

 

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7 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

Okay.. so what just happened.

 

May be it's better to comment after subtitles but Alice seemed to be just went too heavy on open ending or I just didn't really understand it.

So I was thinking about open ending when I first started Alice. But after episode 15 I was like they would probably not give us that usual open ending..

 

But it feels like all those theories comes to an end without tying their ends together. 

 

Anyways I will wait to see what you all think about it, see the subtitled episode and comment.

 

But Episode 15 was actually the real ending..the ending of the universe we knew and loved..I kind of feel so selfish to say that but that's how I really feel.

Well, it is not a perfect ending, but I do agree with the writers. I personally don't have any complaints with the ending, I do think it was the logical ending since PJG killed the "Teacher" which is his future self and which subsequently destroyed Alice, time travelers, and time travel. Only complaint I have is that they did not pair the KDY and new PJG in the end, I think writers owe at least this to much to KDY character. Overall, I am satisfied with the drama's ending and I did not find any loose ends left. But, yeah without subs it is really hard to grasp the ending, so maybe re-watch it after subs, it makes it better

1 hour ago, kittyna said:

(Given that, huge kudos for Jin Gyeom's do-over with Do Yeon in this episode. I don't know how they'll end up in Episode 16 - don't tell me either, guys - but I love that he was there for her when she needed him. And I also love their little confessions to each other, even if it's purely platonic on Jin Gyeom's end; and Do Yeon's "Wait - don't come here" moment when she realized that the attack on her might be a trap for him.)

Even though they had little screen time together, their chemistry was off the charts. I really hope these would do a drama in future with a melodrama plot line. I think these two would do great job in it :love: In episode 16 these two have really good scenes where we can see them  portrayed as high school couple, like, KDY helped PJG pick up cake for her mom's birthday and they were flirting with each other like regular couple.I was not expecting for more scenes of these two in last episodes since the writers had to tie lot of loose ends, but I am glad they did include these scenes.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, kittyna said:

save for that glimpse of the Teacher in Episode 1, which I completely forgot about until @kireeti2 pointed it out

What did I point out? I seem to have forgotten it:sweat_smile:

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