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Happy Birthday Joo Woo! Hello everyone ~
 
Today is a special day - so I want to drop by to thank everyone here for keeping this forum active, and for sharing so many goodies / links!
Happy to see familiar names @flutterby06 @kittyna @valinor500 and I wonder if there are other long-time fans out there?
I have been watching Alice and trying my best to catch up with all your comments and detailed analysis! I really enjoy reading them every night after a busy day. Sorry for being a silent reader - I have so many to say but can't write well and fast enough :(
 
My thoughts on Alice - 
The super loooooonnnng wait is worthwhile because Alice really is a special sci-fic human healing drama, something I have not seen before in my 20+ years watching korean dramas. So I can understand why JW thinks it's special enough to be as his come-back drama. I'm so happy that JW has a strong female lead to partner with too. In fact, my favourite female lead among all his dramas. He had been the titular character in most of his previous dramas and I think he felt the success of the drama weighed heavily on him. Therefore, he (in my opinion) tend to have an overly high expectations of himself, which then affected his enjoyment of the work. This time round, I'm really glad that he has his Hee Sun noona to carry the drama with him, to the extent (I can almost feel) he enjoys relying on his noona to carry the drama while he enjoys the ride. I had seen Kim Hee Sun in more serious dramas (Sad love song, Angry Mom, Faith) and movie but I didn't know she's such a cool and cheerful person in real life! I believe spending so much time with HS has influenced JW too. His happiness and enthusiasm on set / during interviews really shines - something that I also wasn't expecting from him post-military. Thought he may be more reserved after being away from the limelight for so long. But I love love love this side of him as well. I'm really happy he seems to love himself more than before. He enjoys getting onto interviews, he shares more often in IG, he loves his current works - Alice and Ghost. In fact, doing another musical was something I was hoping for as one of his come-back works post-military. Again, thanks to casting gods but no thanks to the current pandemic which has prevented many international fans from attending the musical - me included! How nice if they have a paid online Ghost musical..
 
I wish I can personally thank Alice director as well. Thank you Director-nim for showing us JW's uncommonly-seen side, not once but twice. Thank You for adding the "dance" and karaoke song segments to showcase JW's talents. These links (here and here) are definitely my go-to when I need a breather from work lol. Thank you for all the close camera-shots to showcase his multitude of subtle expressions. He's so natural on screen and detailed in his acting skills that I'm so proud to be his fan.
 
I am slightly disappointed with the ratings though and hope the "romance" concern among many viewers isn't the cause of declining ratings. I shared some online comments with my hubby who watches Alice with me every weekend and here's his POVs as a male viewer. He said it's obvious JG sees his mother in 2020 TY and doing all he could to protect her. Undeniably, it's possible for 2020 TY to feel something for someone who's often so protective of her. The producers are trying to show / build their connections / concerns with one another as they discover more secrets together to deal with the dilemmas / challenges ahead of them. Hopefully, the viewers are patient enough to watch how the plot progresses if they are really interested in the drama. 
 
Of course rating isn't the only measurement of a drama's success. But for Joo Won's sake, I pray the drama stays strong and well-received in the second half of its run. This results in better media coverages and more kdrama viewers will tend to check out this drama (come on, it really is under-rated!). To me, this is important because Alice will forever be labeled as JW's post-military work.
 
Hoping to re-watch Alice if there's no new episodes this weekend *cries*
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First things first:

 

Happy birthday, Joo Won!

 

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(That's the official greeting from his agency, if anyone's wondering ;))

 

@sagaseed - Thanks for coming out to share your thoughts on Alice! I'm definitely with you re: Jin Gyeom and Tae Yi's relationship, but I don't blame people who think it looks romantic and end up being putt off by it - society now tends to condition us to prefer romance over all other relationships, and so we tend to forget that intimate platonic relationships are still possible :) 

 

3 hours ago, sagaseed said:

In fact, doing another musical was something I was hoping for as one of his come-back works post-military. Again, thanks to casting gods but no thanks to the current pandemic which has prevented many international fans from attending the musical - me included! How nice if they have a paid online Ghost musical..

 

I, too, was hoping he'd do a musical as part of his comeback, because we know that's something that JW is really passionate about. So even if that means it'll be a bit longer still before his second post-comeback drama, I'm okay with the wait if it means he gets to do something he loves.

 

Speaking of Ghost, here's the birthday greeting from Theatre plus+ magazine.

 

Also, I came across this cute fanart for Alice as well. Hm...any chances we'll actually end up seeing a moment like this? :P 

9 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

This one is brilliant, fits with her character and situation.:thumbsup:

 

Thanks! I didn't get around to saying it before, but my favourite from your take on the girls was Nae Il's (ability to communicate with animals). It suits her :approves:

 

Finally, here's some new behind-the-scenes footage :) 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, sagaseed said:

Of course rating isn't the only measurement of a drama's success. But for Joo Won's sake, I pray the drama stays strong and well-received in the second half of its run. This results in better media coverages and more kdrama viewers will tend to check out this drama (come on, it really is under-rated!). To me, this is important because Alice will forever be labeled as JW's post-military work.

This is the most disappointing thing for this drama, it has everything except rating and I know TKEM had better drama production, cast members, but it lacked good story and writing. Alice has everything but it is struggling with the ratings. I think it has to do with the so called "Love Line" between JG and TY(2020). I swear whenever I try to find genuine criticism, I end up with this love line in the comment as criticism, like, it is the main reason they give for dropping the drama. It was a surprise to me as well, like I was thinking TY(2020) might treat JG as a little brother, just like Cha Yeon Seo treated Park Si-On in Good Doctor, which everyone liked in that drama and were okay with no romance between them and few viewers even complained about when Cha Yeon Seo and Park Si-On ended up together. In the Alice it seems to be the opposite situation, viewers are upset with the story line in particularly Romantic angle between TY and JG. I hope last episodes might have repaired the damage done by episode 7 and 8, in which it showed that TY was  like falling for JG. But, I do think Alice still has the chance to pull up to 15% viewership which is gold in today's environment where mini series , especially from SBS,KBS and MBC are struggling to get even 8% or 9%, or that matter struggling to maintain double digit ratings consistently. And where as dramas from tvN, JTBC are doing pretty well, recently 18 Again K-drama is doing pretty well, despite getting low ratings in initial episodes, which sort of proves that viewers are looking relate their life with dramas, even if it has science fiction or magic, viewers will always go for dramas which has human angle in it and this sci-fi and magic things should be merely used as a tools to drive the humancentric story. I am also worried that, if Alice doesn't do well, Joo won will have lot of pressure selecting his next drama, or worse his agency might interfere in the selection of his next drama. I really hope Alice at least able to get double digit ratings in it's  remaining episodes:cold_sweat:

In the second pic I genuinely thought he had a small cake in his hand, and I was like, did they celebrate his birthday in advance during Alice shoot

1 hour ago, kittyna said:

Finally, here's some new behind-the-scenes footage :) 

Lol, Kim Hee Seo failing to Huge joo won was most hilarious thing I have seen in whole video. And I might add, black really suits Joo won, I wish he select his next project in which he is some kind of assassin who kills for money, something like "Man from Nowhere" or like "John Wick" type story line, it'll be dope to watch him killing and beating the crap out of everyone, after watching Alice fights scenes, I want of him take roles in which he has to lot of fight scenes.

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2 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

This is the most disappointing thing for this drama, it has everything except rating and I know TKEM had better drama production, cast members, but it lacked good story and writing. Alice has everything but it is struggling with the ratings.

 

7 hours ago, sagaseed said:

I am slightly disappointed with the ratings though and hope the "romance" concern among many viewers isn't the cause of declining ratings.

 

7 hours ago, sagaseed said:

Of course rating isn't the only measurement of a drama's success. But for Joo Won's sake, I pray the drama stays strong and well-received in the second half of its run. This results in better media coverages and more kdrama viewers will tend to check out this drama (come on, it really is under-rated!). To me, this is important because Alice will forever be labeled as JW's post-military work.

 

I actually feel like there's no perfect combination for a high-rating drama anymore. There may have been at one point, but not in the past 4-5 years or so (hence why it's now called a "low ratings environment"). There are a number of factors involved - people switching to online streaming rather than watching on TV, a broader range of options to choose from as cable networks slowly catch up to public networks, etc. - but it's why I don't pay a whole ton of attention to ratings anymore as a general whole.

 

lol - What's funny, though, is that I recently noticed that another Friday-Saturday drama, Homemade Love Story, got 20% ratings right off the bat. I didn't know anything about it at first save that Jeon In Hwa (i.e. Seo In Sook from King of Baking, Kim Tak Gu) was one of the main actresses, so I actually had this moment where I thought, "Dang...did Ma Jun-ie just get owned by his own mom?" :lol:

 

(But then it turned out that there was no actual overlap in the showing times - i.e. no competition between the dramas - so never mind :P)

 

Of course, there's competition across networks - which is mostly determined by ratings - and then there is also competition within the same network for things like the end-of-year awards. And while it's true that ratings play a huge role in determining which dramas/actors get the awards (there's an argument that ratings rather than his own performance was the reason behind JW's Daesang for Yong Pal, for example), I think that Alice is still a strong contender even with the ratings as they are. So far, most SBS dramas have been about the same ratings-wise, with Dr. Romantic 2 being the big runaway winner, so it's still a fairly even playing field.

 

2 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I am also worried that, if Alice doesn't do well, Joo won will have lot of pressure selecting his next drama, or worse his agency might interfere in the selection of his next drama.

 

JW's actually pretty stubborn when he wants to be, so if his agency wants him to change directions for his next drama, they have to persuade him to do it - they can't just go over his head and sign the offer (which I suspect is how a lot of the other comeback dramas came about, given the timing). I think the fact that he 1) took so long to choose Alice out of all the 50-odd scripts he got, and 2) decided to take yet another break from television to do Ghost now indicate that JW's got more power in making his choices than is the norm ;) 

 

Also, it's worth noting that regardless of where the ratings go for Alice, JW's own performance as Park Jin Gyeom appears to be well-liked across the board. Given how rapidly his Instagram following has grown these past few weeks, it seems like many people are just now discovering his work. And even if Alice does end up flopping, well, it won't be the first time that he personally is praised despite being in a poorly-rated drama. So I think he'll be fine in terms of his own staying power.

 

2 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I think it has to do with the so called "Love Line" between JG and TY(2020). I swear whenever I try to find genuine criticism, I end up with this love line in the comment as criticism, like, it is the main reason they give for dropping the drama. It was a surprise to me as well, like I was thinking TY(2020) might treat JG as a little brother, just like Cha Yeon Seo treated Park Si-On in Good Doctor, which everyone liked in that drama and were okay with no romance between them and few viewers even complained about when Cha Yeon Seo and Park Si-On ended up together. In the Alice it seems to be the opposite situation, viewers are upset with the story line in particularly Romantic angle between TY and JG

 

The key difference here is that Alice did such a great job in creating the mother-son relationship between Park Sun Young and Park Jin Gyeom that it's possible that the writers might have overdone it. Again, I don't think they seriously intend for there to be romance - to put it bluntly, you can only date someone when he's actually alive for you to date. However, we as viewers are so strongly aware of Jin Gyeom's feelings for his mother that we are primed/conditioned into seeing his relationship with Tae Yi through his eyes - and yet, as omniscient viewers, we also see Tae Yi's growing feelings in a way that Jin Gyeom doesn't. This creates, for many viewers, an uncomfortable paradox: we're seeing moments and interactions that would normally look cute in a romantic drama, but we see them as frightening and bizarre because we're hyperaware of Jin Gyeom's perspective (that Tae Yi either is his mom or looks like his mom). My point is: I feel like the concern from viewers isn't that Tae Yi has feelings for Jin Gyeom, but that Jin Gyeom might reciprocate (because that'd be incestuous or quasi-incestuous).

2 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

And I might add, black really suits Joo won, I wish he select his next project in which he is some kind of assassin who kills for money, something like "Man from Nowhere" or like "John Wick" type story line, it'll be dope to watch him killing and beating the crap out of everyone, after watching Alice fights scenes, I want of him take roles in which he has to lot of fight scenes.

 

Or just playing someone dark(er) - Park Jin Gyeom's already darker than most of JW's characters, so I'd love to see where else he could go in that direction.

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21 minutes ago, kittyna said:

Or just playing someone dark(er) - Park Jin Gyeom's already darker than most of JW's characters, so I'd love to see where else he could go in that direction.

What? Darker? He could have turned into a dark character, but people around him sort of tamed him and made him look like Park Si-On. You know, I had this theory before the beginning of Alice. Like, in synopsis we know that his mom dies and he is some what playing a character who really doesn't have any emotions and quite strong and capable of taking down 3 to 4 persons at a time. So, I thought after his mom dies, he will sort of take a darker turn, like , I was expecting that he might get involved with criminal gang members, working for dirty cops, killing people for a living sort of things. And then he would stumble upon the a contract in which it will lead him to TY(2020) and find the people who were behind his moms death. And, sort of expected DY would be like person who will hate JG and in the end falls for him(I know its cliche, good girl falling for a bad boy:P). I thought story would offer lot of arch in the characters, especially the main characters. But, I like this version of JG also, I got to see heartwarming scene with DY and JG, and TY(2020) and JG

 

29 minutes ago, kittyna said:

My point is: I feel like the concern from viewers isn't that Tae Yi has feelings for Jin Gyeom, but that Jin Gyeom might reciprocate (because that'd be incestuous or quasi-incestuous).

What? Lol! JG would never do that, in fact he really can't like any woman/man for that matter. Up until now we were able to his emotional side only when it comes to his mom, other than that , he is pretty stoic in other matters

30 minutes ago, kittyna said:

JW's actually pretty stubborn when he wants to be, so if his agency wants him to change directions for his next drama, they have to persuade him to do it - they can't just go over his head and sign the offer (which I suspect is how a lot of the other comeback dramas came about, given the timing). I think the fact that he 1) took so long to choose Alice out of all the 50-odd scripts he got, and 2) decided to take yet another break from television to do Ghost now indicate that JW's got more power in making his choices than is the norm

Yeah, I know. But, Joo won's agency is well

 

established one and has a house hold name. I know for a fact that, when the organization is well developed, it will hardly give any room for creative things to do for it's employees or people in the organization. And have pretty rigid structure in place to achieve revenue targets. So, if Joo won was in a agency which is new and yet to establish itself, I can imagine him having autonomy over his projects, but a well established organization is pretty rigid and will sort of like to control every aspect of it's artists' projects and image

35 minutes ago, kittyna said:

lol - What's funny, though, is that I recently noticed that another Friday-Saturday drama, Homemade Love Story, got 20% ratings right off the bat. I didn't know anything about it at first save that Jeon In Hwa (i.e. Seo In Sook from King of Baking, Kim Tak Gu) was one of the main actresses, so I actually had this moment where I thought, "Dang...did Ma Jun-ie just get owned by his own mom?"

Nah, it's different genre and we really can't compare it with Joo won's drama. It's like daily soap opera show, where we will have 100 plots of all the main characters and lot of expected twists and cliches, but I and most of the viewers still watch it because it has this feel good factor and relatable with commoners like me. And it is also because of the base effect, like it's predecessor drama "Once Again" has done well, so it is enjoying such great ratings in initial episodes, on the other side Alice is facing the same base effect because of the negative ratings of "Back street Rookie", if Alice had aired before it, it would have easily got 8-10% viewership in initial episodes. And also, she stopped following Joo won on Instagram, I don't know what happened, I hope it is because of mistake or something and nothing serious. :fearful:

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10 hours ago, sagaseed said:
Happy Birthday Joo Woo! Hello everyone ~
 
Today is a special day - so I want to drop by to thank everyone here for keeping this forum active, and for sharing so many goodies / links!
Happy to see familiar names @flutterby06 @kittyna @valinor500 and I wonder if there are other long-time fans out there?
I have been watching Alice and trying my best to catch up with all your comments and detailed analysis! I really enjoy reading them every night after a busy day. Sorry for being a silent reader - I have so many to say but can't write well and fast enough :(

 

Oh..it's good to see.. Glad you thought of visiting here.. :)

 

10 hours ago, sagaseed said:

Therefore, he (in my opinion) tend to have an overly high expectations of himself, which then affected his enjoyment of the work. This time round, I'm really glad that he has his Hee Sun noona to carry the drama with him, to the extent (I can almost feel) he enjoys relying on his noona to carry the drama while he enjoys the ride. I had seen Kim Hee Sun in more serious dramas (Sad love song, Angry Mom, Faith) and movie but I didn't know she's such a cool and cheerful person in real life! I believe spending so much time with HS has influenced JW too. His happiness and enthusiasm on set / during interviews really shines - something that I also wasn't expecting from him post-military. Thought he may be more reserved after being away from the limelight for so long. But I love love love this side of him as well. I'm really happy he seems to love himself more than before. He enjoys getting onto interviews, he shares more often in IG, he loves his current works - Alice and Ghost.

 

Yeah glad KHS is here to share the burden with him..

I also find him a bit more relaxed.. before he went to MS he seemed to had a idea to change his persona and acting path so he can take  more challenging or age appropriate role. When he talked about this so much I almost thought---what if he feels so much pressured that he force himself to go out of his nature... But thankfully he doesn't seem to be doing that... In fact I loved how he took a long break from major projects, toured around here and there which means he gave himself some of his own time.. He has been so busy acting, that 1 year break after MS may have given him a lot of relaxation and personal time. 

 

Now that he is back he seemed more confidence on himself..He has this "I am who I am vibe" which was present previously with a large dose of shyness but now he seems more relaxed. 

 

10 hours ago, sagaseed said:
Of course rating isn't the only measurement of a drama's success. But for Joo Won's sake, I pray the drama stays strong and well-received in the second half of its run. This results in better media coverages and more kdrama viewers will tend to check out this drama (come on, it really is under-rated!). To me, this is important because Alice will forever be labeled as JW's post-military work.
 
Hoping to re-watch Alice if there's no new episodes this weekend *cries*

 

We know JW dramas are mostly fun regardless of rating..but still..we need rating..we want him to have strong come back that can give him more assurance. I really really am wishing for consistent double digit rating in second half...Please Alice do something to bring back the viewers.. Please...:tears:

 

6 hours ago, kittyna said:

(That's the official greeting from his agency, if anyone's wondering ;))

 

Any idea why they changed agency name? Is there any change in ownership? From Sim Entertainment-Huayi Brother- Studio Santa Clause Entertainment... what's ahead.. :huh:

As long as they treat JW the best...

 

6 hours ago, kittyna said:

Speaking of Ghost, here's the birthday greeting from Theatre plus+ magazine.

 

 

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Like how they mentioned that they're wishing him with a picture that's not included in the magazine book...That's so thoughtful of them. :blush:

 

6 hours ago, kittyna said:

Also, I came across this cute fanart for Alice as well. Hm...any chances we'll actually end up seeing a moment like this? :P 

 

Isn't that what most Alice viewers whishing right now, family reunion! :approves:

 

4 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Alice has everything but it is struggling with the ratings. I think it has to do with the so called "Love Line" between JG and TY(2020). I swear whenever I try to find genuine criticism, I end up with this love line in the comment as criticism, like, it is the main reason they give for dropping the drama. It was a surprise to me as well, like I was thinking TY(2020) might treat JG as a little brother, just like Cha Yeon Seo treated Park Si-On in Good Doctor, which everyone liked in that drama and were okay with no romance between them and few viewers even complained about when Cha Yeon Seo and Park Si-On ended up together. In the Alice it seems to be the opposite situation, viewers are upset with the story line in particularly Romantic angle between TY and JG. I hope last episodes might have repaired the damage done by episode 7 and 8, in which it showed that TY was  like falling for JG. But, I do think Alice still has the chance to pull up to 15% viewership which is gold in today's environment where mini series , especially from SBS,KBS and MBC are struggling to get even 8% or 9%, or that matter struggling to maintain double digit ratings consistently.

 

So true..:(

 

2 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

What? Lol! JG would never do that, in fact he really can't like any woman/man for that matter. Up until now we were able to his emotional side only when it comes to his mom, other than that , he is pretty stoic in other matters

 

I know he lacks in understanding emotion or expressing them in general.. But I don't think he's unable to actually love- be it romantic or familial.. Because we can see he can develop deep attachment with people who are not biologically related to him..

 

let's for a moment forget that there's no Park Sun Young-Yoon Tae Yi at present.. But Jin Gyeom actually cares deeply for Go Ajusshi and Do Yeon (I am also not implying romantic attachment here just friendly, family type attachment) at present.. He can developed enough love for them that he sometime over look common sense..If he can feel family bond, I bet he can develop romantic attachment too.

 

The only reason I believe he's unable to think about having relationship with opposite gender is because his mind is going in one track- finding the killer of this mother,  find out about the reason why his mother got killed, protect his mother(!) by hook or crook.. He is someone who has no time or luxury to be in relationship.

 

My focus point from latest bts released..

 

 

In every JW birthday I can't help but remember this scene.. Tomorrow Cantabile team threw him a surprise birthday event by making him work in conducting scene that wasn't supposed to be done that day..and JW seems to be saying that he remembered already shooting that scene but director nim said to do it again! And it took him some time to understand that they are playing him HBD tune... after understanding it he soon cutely started conducting with the tune with cake in hand! So sweet of TC team...:wub:

 

 

 

And September 30th is almost gone in my area...so Happy Birthday again. Joo Wona..Hope you had a fun birthday!

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

What? Darker? He could have turned into a dark character, but people around him sort of tamed him and made him look like Park Si-On

 

lol - You got me. I guess I'm so used to mentally associating JW with characters like Park Si On that I have a pretty low threshold for what constitutes a "dark" character for him :sweat_smile: It probably doesn't help that he's also so cute and fluffy outside of his acting, too :P 

 

2 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

You know, I had this theory before the beginning of Alice. Like, in synopsis we know that his mom dies and he is some what playing a character who really doesn't have any emotions and quite strong and capable of taking down 3 to 4 persons at a time. So, I thought after his mom dies, he will sort of take a darker turn, like , I was expecting that he might get involved with criminal gang members, working for dirty cops, killing people for a living sort of things. And then he would stumble upon the a contract in which it will lead him to TY(2020) and find the people who were behind his moms death.

 

I didn't think quite that far - since I knew really early on that he was a police detective who was big on seeking justice - but going from the trailers, I also anticipated more of a revenge-type storyline. And then we saw the director's comments at the press conference about it being predominantly a "family" story and I wound up having to rethink all that :P 

 

2 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Yeah, I know. But, Joo won's agency is well

 

established one and has a house hold name. I know for a fact that, when the organization is well developed, it will hardly give any room for creative things to do for it's employees or people in the organization. And have pretty rigid structure in place to achieve revenue targets. So, if Joo won was in a agency which is new and yet to establish itself, I can imagine him having autonomy over his projects, but a well established organization is pretty rigid and will sort of like to control every aspect of it's artists' projects and image

 

38 minutes ago, flutterby06 said:

Any idea why they changed agency name? Is there any change in ownership? From Sim Entertainment-Huayi Brother- Studio Santa Clause Entertainment... what's ahead.. :huh:

As long as they treat JW the best...

 

Yeah, I'm definitely confused about what's going on with the agency - since they still use the Huayi Brothers label in a good chunk of their posts on Instagram. @kireeti2, I think a part of me still remembers when it was this really small actors-only agency (i.e. Sim Entertainment) and I tend to forget that things can change with its expansion over time. So JW had a lot of autonomy prior to his enlistment, but it is, as you pointed out, harder to judge if that's actually the case now. On the one hand, with a bigger company, there's going to be more focus shifting to revenues and shareholders and whatnot, but on the other hand, JW himself played a huge role in the agency getting this big to begin with, so....

 

38 minutes ago, flutterby06 said:

We know JW dramas are mostly fun regardless of rating..but still..we need rating..we want him to have strong come back that can give him more assurance. I really really am wishing for consistent double digit rating in second half...Please Alice do something to bring back the viewers.. Please...:tears:

 

I keep thinking that the ratings are lower all across the board simply because fewer people are watching television. Remember that ratings are calculated by approximately how many TVs are tuned to a certain channel at any given time - but that also probably includes all the ones that were never turned on at all ;) The reason why I think this is because even with ratings on the lower side, there's nothing that's beating Alice either - it's still 1st or 2nd place in its timeslot, even with c. 8% ratings, so clearly there's something in the equation that we're not considering, and I wonder if a broad shift away from television viewing might be it.

 

Like, I see a lot of people now describing Alice as an "underrated" drama - but something can only be underrated if it's being overshadowed by something that's more popular while also being poorer in quality, and that doesn't seem to be happening either.

 

38 minutes ago, flutterby06 said:

I know he has lack of understanding emotion or expressing them in general.. But I don't think he's unable to actually love- be it romantic or familial.. Because we can see he can develop deep attachment with people who are not biologically related to him..

 

Same. I can also add that I never fully thought that Park Jin Gyeom was incapable of feeling emotion, either. I understand that that's how "alexithymia" is defined in the drama, but in reality, it occurs on a spectrum. So we do see that Jin Gyeom struggles to explain what he's feeling, or struggles to assess whether he's reacting to a situation with the appropriate emotion, but all that means that he must feel something throughout.

 

38 minutes ago, flutterby06 said:

let's for a moment forget that there's no Park Sun Young-Yoon Tae Yi at present.. But Jin Gyeom actually cares deeply for Go Ajusshi and Do Yeon (I am also not implying romantic attachment here just friendly, family type attachment) at present.. He can developed enough love for them that he sometime over look common sense..If he can feel family bond, I bet he can develop romantic attachment too.

 

As for love, I'd argue that Jin Gyeom's capacity for love has been heavily shaped by his experiences. When we think about his upbringing, love for him existed on two extremes: either a complete unconditional love (his mother's), or a relative absence of love. He doesn't have much exposure to or experience with more superficial forms of love - even those who love him now (Do Yeon for sure; and I'd even argue Go Hyung Seok, as it appears the order to kill Jin Gyeom genuinely pains him) do so unconditionally.

 

So I actually think that Jin Gyeom may have a hard time with all the intricate push-pull elements of a romantic relationship (he won't know how to flirt or how to recognize flirting, for example), but he's more than capable of loving unconditionally as well. In fact, that may turn out to be the easiest form of love for him to express, because it's the sort of love he knows (people with alexithymia tend to "learn" emotion by observing and following social cues) ;) 

 

38 minutes ago, flutterby06 said:

My focus point from latest bts released

 

And my favourite was when, during rehearsals for the birthday song, he just randomly started singing in his full-blown "musical theatre" voice. 

 

Yep, this pretty much sums up what it feels like to watch Alice right now :lol:

 

Yoon Tae Yi's house - It's designed by the same people who did the "Alice" hotel :) 

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15 minutes ago, kittyna said:

OMG! I am in love with Yoon Tae-Yi's Bookshelves:love:, her house has one in common area and one in her personal room

16 minutes ago, kittyna said:

I never expected that so many memes could have been made from Alice drama, I sort of expected Alice would be a dark theme drama, since it involves time travel and lot of killings and murders

17 minutes ago, kittyna said:

Go Hyung Seok

And his wife also loves JG  unconditionally, like she is excited to see him whenever he shows up and always tries to set him up with DY and always asks him to eat, lol! she totally checks out all the boxes under  Asian mom

20 minutes ago, kittyna said:

So I actually think that Jin Gyeom may have a hard time with all the intricate push-pull elements of a romantic relationship (he won't know how to flirt or how to recognize flirting, for example), but he's more than capable of loving unconditionally as well. In fact, that may turn out to be the easiest form of love for him to express, because it's the sort of love he knows (people with alexithymia tend to "learn" emotion by observing and following social cues)

I think JG is like a mirror, he sort of reflects the kind of emotions which was shown to him and experienced by him, so if he had been exposed to some other anti-social behaviors, perhaps, he would have been an different guy altogether

1 hour ago, flutterby06 said:

But Jin Gyeom actually cares deeply for Go Ajusshi and Do Yeon (I am also not implying romantic attachment here just friendly, family type attachment) at present.. He can developed enough love for them that he sometime over look common sense..If he can feel family bond, I bet he can develop romantic attachment too.

Yeah, that's a total possibility, that JG can have romantic feelings or at least he will try his best to keep DY happy if they are in relationship. He knows he can reciprocate feelings completely but at least he will try read the situation and act accordingly. So, yeah if writers wants give an happy ending to DY and JG, they should definitely make them end up together.

 

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6 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

OMG! I am in love with Yoon Tae-Yi's Bookshelves:love:, her house has one in common area and one in her personal room

 

Yeah, and I also love that whole "sculpture" of books she has in her office. It's hardly practical (like, what does she do if she needs to grab one of them?), but it's rather eclectic while still giving off a "scholarly" vibe - just like her :) 

 

Which makes me wonder: what do the places we see in Alice tell us about the characters who live in them? Like, we have Tae Yi's house, Jin Gyeom's apartment (I mean the one where he lives alone), Jin Gyeom's childhood home, the "Alice" hotel/centre (which I personally associate as being Min Hyuk's space), Seok Oh Won's office.... I feel like all of these spaces were designed very deliberately to reflect the characters - does anybody here think so, too?

 

6 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

And his wife also loves JG  unconditionally, like she is excited to see him whenever he shows up and always tries to set him up with DY and always asks him to eat, lol! she totally checks out all the boxes under  Asian mom

 

Point. From what we've seen so far, Captain Go's wife is just an adorable ahjumma who has no direct involvement in any of this "Alice" vs. "Sigma" business :) I can also imagine her being the sort who, after Jin Gyeom moved out on his own, would show up to his place unannounced with weeks' worth of kimchi and other side dishes - and then, as she's putting them in the fridge, she'd start teasingly nagging at him to eat and sleep on time and not to let her husband boss him around too much :lol:

 

6 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I think JG is like a mirror, he sort of reflects the kind of emotions which was shown to him and experienced by him, so if he had been exposed to some other anti-social behaviors, perhaps, he would have been an different guy altogether

 

That's a really good point! :approves:

 

Given that, I think it's worth noting just how Park Sun Young raised Jin Gyeom, then. I think she realized that if she couldn't use emotion as the basis for guiding his sense of right/wrong (which is how most kids learn - e.g. If you do X, your friend will be sad, so don't do it), she could go straight to moral rules and principles. And personally, I think that's what she did: both through overt instruction and leading by example.

 

6 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Yeah, that's a total possibility, that JG can have romantic feelings or at least he will try his best to keep DY happy if they are in relationship. He knows he can reciprocate feelings completely but at least he will try read the situation and act accordingly.

 

He knows the general rules of a relationship - and seems to be more conservative or cautious than Do Yeon in terms of setting boundaries for said relationship -  so if he acts accordingly, maybe the feelings themselves will come with time. I know he's slower to recognize and express emotion than most people, but there is such a thing as neuroplasticity ;) 

 

Some more birthday fanart:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CFw8VQMMbd-/

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CFuoDkBpz1W/

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2 hours ago, kittyna said:

Which makes me wonder: what do the places we see in Alice tell us about the characters who live in them? Like, we have Tae Yi's house, Jin Gyeom's apartment (I mean the one where he lives alone), Jin Gyeom's childhood home, the "Alice" hotel/centre (which I personally associate as being Min Hyuk's space), Seok Oh Won's office.... I feel like all of these spaces were designed very deliberately to reflect the characters - does anybody here think so, too?

Yes, I think it's the core Idea behind showing the rooms of the main characters or the place where they live.It also reflects the way they want to live, for example I find PSY house normal, which reflects her mindset that she wanted to give a normal and happy life for her son.

2 hours ago, kittyna said:

From what we've seen so far, Captain Go's wife is just an adorable ahjumma

Yeah, she is adorable, no wonder Detective Go went as far as to kill JG for her, but I do think after Detective Go's death, JG will look after her, perhaps he will move in. And DY will also there to help them out, at this point I guess JG might realize the importance of DY, and he might have love line between them.

 

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10 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Yes, I think it's the core Idea behind showing the rooms of the main characters or the place where they live.It also reflects the way they want to live, for example I find PSY house normal, which reflects her mindset that she wanted to give a normal and happy life for her son.

 

That's a really good point: that Jin Gyeom's childhood home is a reflection of Park Sun Young's tastes, as well as her aspirations for herself and her son. If I were to look at it like that, I agree with you about her desire for just an ordinary life, and I also think the house shows her desire for home to be a place of comfort and safety.

 

Which makes the fact that that's also where she dies so much more traumatizing for Jin Gyeom :criesariver: Good thing he's able to keep his happy associations with the place intact :allgoodlol:

 

By extension, now that I think about it, there are probably influences from both parents in Jin Gyeom's own style - despite not knowing who his father is, Jin Gyeom's apartment seems to be a good middle ground between the warm and homey place where he grew up and the more sterile-looking minimalism we see in 2050.

 

10 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Yeah, she is adorable, no wonder Detective Go went as far as to kill JG for her, but I do think after Detective Go's death, JG will look after her, perhaps he will move in. And DY will also there to help them out, at this point I guess JG might realize the importance of DY, and he might have love line between them.

 

I haven't thought as far ahead as you yet, mostly because we're still not even sure if Go Hyung Seok dies in Episode 11 or not :P But if he does - either then or later on in the drama - I hope that Jin Gyeom will find it in him to look out for Captain Go's wife regardless. It'd be hard for him, especially if he's aware of the connection with his own mother's death, but I do hope he succeeds.

 

Come to think of it, the writers have paced the narrative in such a way that just as one familial relationship is slowly edging towards reconciliation (Yoo Min Hyuk and Park Jin Gyeom), another one is slowly falling apart (Go Hyung Seok and Park Jin Gyeom). So kudos to them on that.

 

Oh. And by the way...

 

Happy Chuseok, Everybody!

 

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(Speaking of which, somebody needs to arrange for JW to have a new photo shoot wearing modern hanbok - the last one was ages ago! So I'm making do with a My Sassy Girl pic instead.)

 

Massive Chuseok feast posted by JW on Instagram

 

Looks like he's still got work, though, despite the holiday

 

Chuseok greetings from JW and his agency - There are a ton of these posts, each one featuring a small group of the actors signed on with the agency. I don't know what they're actually saying in the text messages, though. And for anyone who's curious, the updated roster for who's in the agency can be found here - it's changed considerably over the years, but it's good to see that some familiar names and faces are still there.

 

(Also, @flutterby06 re: questions about the agency, it is an official name change. However, I don't know if there's any particular reason for it like a takeover or merger, or whether it's just a simple rebranding.)

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4 hours ago, kittyna said:

Happy Chuseok, Everybody!

Lol, The famous dimple couple, even though the drama was mediocre, I really enjoyed their chemistry. I hope we could have a drama in near future with these two, hopefully with a nice story

4 hours ago, kittyna said:

Chuseok greetings from JW and his agency - There are a ton of these posts, each one featuring a small group of the actors signed on with the agency. I don't know what they're actually saying in the text messages, though. And for anyone who's curious, the updated roster for who's in the agency can be found here - it's changed considerably over the years, but it's good to see that some familiar names and faces are still there.

Here is the translated version

4 hours ago, kittyna said:

Come to think of it, the writers have paced the narrative in such a way that just as one familial relationship is slowly edging towards reconciliation (Yoo Min Hyuk and Park Jin Gyeom), another one is slowly falling apart (Go Hyung Seok and Park Jin Gyeom). So kudos to them on that.

I don't think we can compare MH with Detective Go, JG never lets anyone get close to him, like he is always activates some kind of defense mechanism whenever someone tries to get close to him, I think it is his character and has nothing to do with his condition. MH has to do lot of work in order to gain JG's trust and MH sort of always ends up at the wrong place in the wrong time when comes to JG, so, they might get close, but I think it'll be in episode 14 or 15.

4 hours ago, kittyna said:

It'd be hard for him, especially if he's aware of the connection with his own mother's death, but I do hope he succeeds.

The way I see it, he really doesn't blame anyone when it comes to his mom's murder, of course he is trying to catch the killer, but it is more like to know the reason behind it or he is looking for some kind relief for his emotional baggage by catching the criminal. So, I really don't think he will have hard time looking after Go's wife and on top of that she is a victim too, like, she has done nothing wrong and in the end she lost the her husband which looks like all she got in her life after death of her son.In fact joo won might get that motherly attention that he might have lost due to the death of PSY, I think we may not see it happening by in the end writers may make it look like she had some kind of positive effect on his behavior

 

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3 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I don't think we can compare MH with Detective Go, JG never lets anyone get close to him, like he is always activates some kind of defense mechanism whenever someone tries to get close to him, I think it is his character and has nothing to do with his condition. MH has to do lot of work in order to gain JG's trust and MH sort of always ends up at the wrong place in the wrong time when comes to JG, so, they might get close, but I think it'll be in episode 14 or 15.

 

I see. Now that I think about it, I also think we need to consider the possibility that we won't get a full reconciliation within the drama itself - but instead have an open ending that allows us to look ahead to that point in the future. Because you're right about Jin Gyeom being generally cautious around people, and that's not even including all the stuff that's built up inside of him against his father and against Min Hyuk as separate entities.

 

Just like Tae Yi, in the absence of childhood memories that could explain how she wound up at the orphanage, ended up appropriating the standard orphan narrative (i.e. that she was left there by a mother who didn't want her anymore), I can actually imagine Jin Gyeom doing something similar. I doubt Park Sun Young would have ever spoken ill about Jin Gyeom's father (she does still love Min Hyuk, after all), but I don't think she told her son much about him either. So it's possible that Jin Gyeom, in the absence of any broader context, would also appropriate the standard narrative for kids from single-mother households: a father who got his girlfriend/lover pregnant but who then refused to take responsibility by marrying her.

 

Add to that all the stuff about Min Hyuk looking awfully suspicious and shady in Jin Gyeom's eyes, and...yeah, I think them getting close might only be possible if the writers resort to some rushed "deus ex machina" type gimmicks. :P 

 

3 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

The way I see it, he really doesn't blame anyone when it comes to his mom's murder, of course he is trying to catch the killer, but it is more like to know the reason behind it or he is looking for some kind relief for his emotional baggage by catching the criminal. So, I really don't think he will have hard time looking after Go's wife and on top of that she is a victim too, like, she has done nothing wrong and in the end she lost the her husband which looks like all she got in her life after death of her son.

 

I think Jin Gyeom's response will depend on the extent to which Captain Go's wife is involved in whatever it is her husband's doing - it's still open right now, so we'll have to wait and see.

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@kireeti2 - Aw, those pictures are cute! Thanks for sharing :) 

 

I love seeing behind-the-scenes moments like these, especially since we can tell from their Instagram posts and comments that the Alice cast got along really well during filming.

 

JW's Instagram update - It looks like Ghost performances have started.

 

Another Alice costume tidbit, again from eagle-eyed viewers - Once again, I have to give kudos to the stylists for giving Jin Gyeom a realistically priced wardrobe :) This post is about his sweater, but I did end up looking up the brand of jeans he's been wearing - and again, the prices seem reasonable for his character.

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1 hour ago, kittyna said:

Aw, those pictures are cute! Thanks for sharing

Yeah, I agree. The main cast off screen chemistry is really good. Kim Hee Seon and Lee Da In are almost like sisters and JW and KW are like best friends

2 hours ago, kittyna said:

JW's Instagram update - It looks like Ghost performances have started.

Looks like Joo won has no day-off, he has been working and continuously promoting drama and Musical

 

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I knew it was definitely going to be quieter than usual this weekend, what with Alice taking a hiatus for Chuseok and all that. So here I am with the first half of the bigger interactive I've planned - a new musical challenge.

 

As some of you may know, I've already done this with musical theatre numbers several times on this forum. However, this time around, I'm both narrowing and changing up the playing field a bit to something a bit more lighthearted: songs from Disney movies.

 

(You know, since Disney forms a big part of my playlist anyway :P )

 

Just like with the earlier musical theatre challenges, I'm splitting this up into at least two rounds that (hopefully) will last us until next Friday, when Alice broadcasts resume. And, as usual, I'm starting with the guys first. No sexism intended - it's just that JW's a guy, so.... Don't worry; you'll love what I have planned for the girls when the time comes ;) 

 

Spoiler

Disney-Drama Character Associations: Round One (Guys)

 

If you've seen the musical theatre version of this, you already know the drill. But just in case you need a refresher, the question is simple: which male character from JW's dramas comes to your mind when you hear each song, and why?

 

Again: answers can be ANY male character (lead, supporting, random extras you could describe but can't name, etc.) from ANY of JW's dramas. The only rule here is that you can't name the same drama character twice ;) 

 

No right or wrong answers - in true Disney spirit, just let your imagination go wild! :approves:

 

1. "You're Welcome" (from Moana)

 

Disney character: Maui

 

 

2. "Strangers Like Me" (from Tarzan - this arrangement's from the stage musical version, though)

 

Disney character: Tarzan

 

Lyrics (in case you need them)

 

 

3. "Be Prepared" (from The Lion King)

 

Disney character: Scar

 

 

4. "Immortals" (from Big Hero 6 - this video is the music video version; the original movie scene can be found here)

 

Disney character: Hiro Hamada (it's not him singing, but it is from his perspective. And in my opinion at least, the "you" in the song is referring to his older brother, Tadashi, who died under mysterious circumstances - the explosion seen in the video - and whose death he's trying to investigate with the help of their friends, who are all STEM research students, and the robot Tadashi was developing at the time.)

 

 

5. "I'll Make a Man Out of You" (from Mulan)

 

Disney character: Li Shang

 

 

6. "I'm Still Here" (from Treasure Planet - highly underrated film, if you ask me ;))

 

Disney character: Jim Hawkins (again, not him singing, but it is his perspective)

 

Lyrics (if anyone needs them)

 

 

7. "Heaven's Light" (from The Hunchback of Notre Dame - again, this is the stage musical arrangement)

 

Disney character: Quasimodo

 

Lyrics

 

 

8. "Evermore" (from Beauty and the Beast)

 

Disney character: The Beast

 

 

 

7 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Looks like Joo won has no day-off, he has been working and continuously promoting drama and Musical

 

Yeah - JW's always been something of a workaholic like that. Maybe that's why some sort of wish for his fans to be healthy is his most common greeting :P 

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On 10/3/2020 at 5:21 AM, kittyna said:

which male character from JW's dramas comes to your mind when you hear each song, and why?

It is more like male lead

On 10/3/2020 at 5:21 AM, kittyna said:

1. "You're Welcome" (from Mo

Gyun Woo- Because initially he was cocky just like the male lead in the musical when he first met the princess

On 10/3/2020 at 5:21 AM, kittyna said:

2. "Strangers Like Me" (from Tarzan 

Han Gil-Ro- I find hims also wild and carefree like Tarzan but in Urban jungle

On 10/3/2020 at 5:21 AM, kittyna said:

3. "Be Prepared" (from The Lion King)

Han Do Joon- Just like the scar he has also surrounded himself with his minions and always plotting to take his sisters throne

On 10/3/2020 at 5:21 AM, kittyna said:

4. "Immortals" (from Big Hero 6 

This one is tough, since there is no big role of child character in Joo won's drama. Also, the video was strange, I was expecting to see clips from Big Hero 6. I will go with Kim Tak- Ku, no special reason, but his situation is sort of similar with "Hiro Hamada".

 

On 10/3/2020 at 5:21 AM, kittyna said:

Hiro Hamada (it's not him singing

Lol, even if you hadn't mentioned it I would have known, it is sort of weird name for a Caucasian guy

On 10/3/2020 at 5:21 AM, kittyna said:

5. "I'll Make a Man Out of You" (from Mulan)

Lee Kang- No special reason, but these two have tendency to underestimate others and look down on others

On 10/3/2020 at 5:21 AM, kittyna said:

6. "I'm Still Here" (from Treasure Planet

Hmm. Rebellious, I will go with Ku Ma Jun

On 10/3/2020 at 5:21 AM, kittyna said:

7. "Heaven's Light" (from The Hunchback of Notre Dame 

Park Si-On before meeting Cha Yoo Seon

On 10/3/2020 at 5:21 AM, kittyna said:

8. "Evermore" (from Beauty and the Beast)

Park Jin Gyeom, not the perfect one but close enough

 

Apologies for not listing the reasons behind my choices, I really couldn't  think of any

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1 hour ago, kireeti2 said:

Apologies for not listing the reasons behind my choices, I really couldn't  think of any

 

That's okay - I'm just glad to see a response from you at all :) I mean, rationally, I was sure that maybe you were just busy or tired - or that this challenge was just uber-tough - but, well, with the news that's coming out from India lately re: COVID-19 case counts...you can't blame me for being just a tad worried, you know?

 

So it's all good :allgoodlol:

 

Given that, though, I thought your answers were really interesting, mostly because there's not much overlap with my own this time around. :) 

 

1 hour ago, kireeti2 said:

Gyun Woo- Because initially he was cocky just like the male lead in the musical when he first met the princess

 

This would never have crossed my mind, but now that you mention his cockiness at the beginning of the drama...yeah, I get you ;) 

 

1 hour ago, kireeti2 said:

This one is tough, since there is no big role of child character in Joo won's drama. Also, the video was strange, I was expecting to see clips from Big Hero 6. I will go with Kim Tak- Ku, no special reason, but his situation is sort of similar with "Hiro Hamada".

 

That's why I included a link to the original scene from the film - the music video does have some clips from Big Hero 6, but in a way that actually sketches out the entire plot in broad strokes rather than focusing on a particular moment. (Can you tell this is one of my personal favourite Disney films out there? :P)

 

But given that, now that you mention it, I can see Tak Gu's determination here :) Again, he's not who I thought of at first (you'll see more on that once my full response is ready), but I can see it working now.

 

1 hour ago, kireeti2 said:

Hmm. Rebellious, I will go with Ku Ma Jun

 

Again - not one I would have thought of, but that's really starting to grow on me now. Actually, out of all the surprise answers, I think this one's my favourite. :approves:

 

By the way, with the new behind-the-scenes photos from Alice released in place of new episodes, I definitely think JW's nailed the "In Costume vs. In Character" type meme. Same deal with this pic, too (which also happens to be my favourite in the entire set).

 

And just thought I'd share this one because I think we can all relate: both to stanning JW, and to being used to seeing his name tacked on closer to the end :P 

 

 

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