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22 minutes ago, kireeti2 said:

Yeah, I sort of figured the BTS will be  more funny than the actual scene. We may assume that Joo won had easy part in the scene, but he had to keep keep straight face while watching the shenanigans of those three and had to do a step from "Tell Me" song of wonder girls with a straight face which makes his performance and acting much more harder  

 

JW looks like he had fun watching over others.. sometimes joining others.. and he was telling KHS not to do certain moves because that looks weird.. and KHS is laughing so hard. She really is a reaction queen as JW said.

 

The here's JW singing Directore Baek Soo Chan said there will be Karaoke scene so I was expecting singing from JW but the dance was such a pleasent bonus..

 

Love the directors who knows how to use his singing skill either by giving him OST or actual singing scene..My heart melts whenever I hear him singing.. :heart1:

 

 

27 minutes ago, kireeti2 said:

Yeah, I like her chemistry with TY, these two are like bickering sisters. And she called TY as "Unnie" when she was drunk

 

She calls Tae Yi Unnie but when Jin Gyeom says that they have grown closer I was laughing so hard... :joy:

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3 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

The ep 7 opening quote says "Do not future. Bury the dead past. Act in the present." 

To me it seemed like a indication not to hung up too much on future which time travelers of all sorts are doing..going too crazy over Prophecy. Furure can change depending on situations.

 

Yeah - to be honest, all this time, I thought the prophecy was...not false per se, but just being made way too much of a deal. These time travelers from the future are resorting to so many unethical or even immoral things to prevent this "prophecy" from being fulfilled - and, as we can see in the book, their attempts to prevent it are exactly what's said will happen. It feels weird, watching people bring about their own ends like that without even realizing it - if they weren't so hung up about the prophecy in the first place, I imagine that time travel could actually go on for a good long while undisturbed. And wouldn't that be ironic.

 

3 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

But Do Yeon is the best friend.. Being friends with her is a choice for him and he actually values their friendship quite well. She can confront him when necessary. 

 

3 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

I don't know why people will find her poorly written character. May be they find her annoying because she is bossy with JG( well that's because he let her do so) and rude with Yoon Tae Yi.. Her showdown with YTI is what I look forward to.. Both are equally rude..:lol: and DY just wouldn't back down! :glasses:

 

Do Yeon's cute and spunky.. with or without Jin Gyeom.

 

lol - And now you're giving me this thought that if there isn't a love line between Tae Yi and Jin Gyeom (the drama's still ambiguous - and I'd argue deliberately so - about that), then Tae Yi and Do Yeon together would share the role as Jin Gyeom's female BFF. :P Both give him tons of advice (advice he does take, albeit not always accurately - like with Tae Yi and playing music ;)) about how best to interact with other people and make his true feelings and intentions known. And, as you've pointed out, neither Tae Yi nor Do Yeon are willing to take any sort of crap from Jin Gyeom, either.

 

2 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Yeah, I like her chemistry with TY, these two are like bickering sisters. And she called TY as "Unnie" when she was drunk

 

1 hour ago, flutterby06 said:

She calls Tae Yi Unnie but when Jin Gyeom says that they have grown closer I was laughing so hard...

 

lol - Because they then deny it and Jin Gyeom's all like, "Okay, if you say so." :lol:

 

3 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

I'm not very hopeful of DY & JG having a future together because they're from different timeline.. but I enjoy their moments anyways.

 

2 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

And there is a good chance that JG may not exist altogether in DY time line at the end of the drama. Since, he was not supposed to exist in the first place.

 

2 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I think JG is capable of doing it, like, he is sort of a glitch in timeline. So, my guess is his purpose is to bring back the order by stopping the time travel. And in this process he might cease to exist  in the lives of the people that know him, including his mom. So, I would like to see that kind of bitter-sweet ending :bawling: He might  born again to TY in different time line , but this time he would not have alexithymia condition

 

You guys have a good point, because we know that by rights, Jin Gyeom should exist in the same parallel universe where Yoon Tae Yi and Yoo Min Hyuk are together in "Alice" in 2050. I think it'll be interesting to watch the second half of the drama to see how the writers reconcile that idea with what we've seen of his life so far.

 

2 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Yeah, I sort of figured the BTS will be  more funny than the actual scene. We may assume that Joo won had easy part in the scene, but he had to keep keep straight face while watching the shenanigans of those three and had to do a step from "Tell Me" song of wonder girls with a straight face which makes his performance and acting much more harder

 

1 hour ago, flutterby06 said:

JW looks like he had fun watching over others.. sometimes joining others.. and he was telling KHS not to do certain moves because that looks weird.. and KHS is laughing so hard. She really is a reaction queen as JW said.

 

And I think it's funny that, Gaksital aside, JW's characters are usually written to be really crappy dancers - but in real life, he's actually really good (as evidenced by his coaching Kim Hee Sun here). ;) 

 

To be honest, I wasn't sure what to expect from Jin Gyeom's dancing, since he's so athletic and coordinated as a person, but is also unable to express any sort of feeling from the music (okay, he probably could - just not on the spot). And the result was...both the exact opposite from what I expected and exactly what I should have expected: it's literally perfect technique with no expression whatsoever :P 

 

Where I actually did end up surprised, though, was Jin Gyeom's singing. I thought he'd be as awkward here as when he sang the birthday song as a teenager, but nope! He nailed it, technique and feeling combined :) Hm...I wonder why....

 

By the way, I just want to ask: am I the only one who's actually slowly coming around to the idea of Tae Yi (2020) having a crush on Jin Gyeom? I know that a lot of people say it's "weird" and "almost incest" and "ruining the show" and some viewers have even said they want to drop the drama because of this, but...if Tae Yi's not Jin Gyeom's mother at all (and she really has every reason to think she isn't), then technically, there's nothing stopping her from developing feelings for him. And, given the circumstances, I actually find her doing so to be completely understandable. The writers have been deliberately teasing some rom-com-style antics throughout these first eight episodes, but I feel like the ending for Episode 8 could turn into a huge paradigm shift that could either bring any thought of romance to an end or strengthen Tae Yi's feelings for Jin Gyeom. We'll have to wait until Episode 9 and onwards to see which way it goes, but...just a thought.

 

Mind you: my first choice is still for their relationship to be platonic. All I'm saying is that if it isn't and there are romantic feelings involved (one-sided as they are now or otherwise), what I would want most from the show is for the characters to face the ethical dilemmas it causes head-on: like, for example, if Tae Yi confesses and Jin Gyeom turns her down, or if a third party (most likely Do Yeon or Min Hyuk at this point) calls them out on it if anything does happen. Like, there's no way that a romantic relationship here would be easy if we look at it realistically, and I'd argue that if Tae Yi and Jin Gyeom just end up together, no questions asked, then that would be rather poor execution or writing. But otherwise...I do see it having narrative potential.

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12 minutes ago, kittyna said:

By the way, I just want to ask: am I the only one who's actually slowly coming around to the idea of Tae Yi (2020) having a crush on Jin Gyeom? I know that a lot of people say it's "weird" and "almost incest" and "ruining the show" and some viewers have even said they want to drop the drama because of this, but...if Tae Yi's not Jin Gyeom's mother at all (and she really has every reason to think she isn't), then technically, there's nothing stopping her from developing feelings for him. And, given the circumstances, I actually find her doing so to be completely understandable. The writers have been deliberately teasing some rom-com-style antics throughout these first eight episodes, but I feel like the ending for Episode 8 could turn into a huge paradigm shift that could either bring any thought of romance to an end or strengthen Tae Yi's feelings for Jin Gyeom. We'll have to wait until Episode 9 and onwards to see which way it goes, but...just a thought.

 

Mind you: my first choice is still for their relationship to be platonic. All I'm saying is that if it isn't...I still want to see how it plays out in the end before passing any sort of judgment.

 

Jin Gyeom promised his mother that if he meets her again he'd protect her even if he's not his mother- I am all for JG wrecking havoc for Professor Yoon Tae Yi so he can protect her this time; doesn't matter if she is his mother or not.

 

TBH I get why YTY would develop some feelings for JG..she is a young unengaged woman, getting attention and protection from a handsome and nice man. It's natural to feel good about someone when we are taken care by someone nice. If we think about reality this happens sometimes in time travel show- we see such things that family having crush on the one who came from past/future without knowing their true identity.. and those are done mostly for comedic relief.

 

So when I see those moments in ep 8 I thought writers are trying to show us the reality or teasing the viewers so we be alert on our toe.

 

But if the writers actually want to go all the way with that feeling I will feel very disturbed by the idea.. Like you pointed out it's absolutely normal for her to grow feelings because she doesn't have the idea on whole situation. But if they showed JG is developing romantic interest on YTY that I will be unable to enjoy.. Because JG from time to time tried to find the similarities between his mon and Yoon Taeyi. So if he starts to develop romantic feeling for her it'd be very uncomfortable to watch doesn't matter if she is totally another person and not his mother's younger self/ another Taeyi other than his dimension. Because when the show started most of their emotional encounter was because he was too emotional thinking about his mother.. even when he came back from 2010 she literally addressed the important fact that she might be very much similar to his mother as he always cries and hug her when he sees him. That means also means she became a bit accustomed to the fact that all the time he got emotional in front of her was because his mother. Even in recent ep 7 they showed YTY dreaming about a kid.. and in ep 8 JG was having a flashback of his mom at home when YTY entered their home. I mean writers are still not letting  us forget that how these two taeyi are similar.

 

If she was just introduced as a YTY who is just a look alike and nothing other matches  with Mom Taeyi I may go through the idea of their romance. But now that JG emotion got involved things become different to me. 

 

Shared my long honest opinion. :phew:

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@flutterby06 - You said it in way more detail than me, but that's what I think, too. You should also note that, after you started your reply, I went back and changed my conclusion from my previous post ;) 

 

For me, I think I'm just surprised that some viewers are already going, "Omo, is the drama trying to force a romance here? That's just wrong!" when up to this point, those feelings really are just on Tae Yi's side. And for me, Tae Yi's feelings make a lot of sense given what she does and doesn't know about the situation.

 

As of right now, I don't see Jin Gyeom reciprocating any of those feelings beyond a desire to protect Tae Yi and keep her happy: he's doing the sorts of things that a son (obviously!), brother, or best friend would do without any romantic or sexual strings attached. Nor, to be honest, can I honestly envision Jin Gyeom developing romantic feelings in the future. Instead, those slow-mo, rom-com like moments (e.g. the one where Jin Gyeom gets really close to Tae Yi trying to reach the shelf that's too high for her) are more showing Tae Yi's perspective of events rather than Jin Gyeom's. In Jin Gyeom's mind, I think Tae Yi is still (and possibly will always be) a friend who's able to be there for him in a similar way his mother was and who's able to keep his mother's memory alive for him just by being herself: for example, when Tae Yi immediately recognizes which room was the master bedroom (i.e. Park Sun Young's bedroom, though she doesn't know it), which makes Jin Gyeom once again look at her like, "Maybe...?" before she then wryly points out that it's the biggest bedroom, so of course it's the master :P 

 

Feelings can be one-sided, but a romance/love line takes two. And I don't realistically see the show going there. Instead, I think for each scene that does suggest romance, we as viewers need to take a step back and think about whose perspective we're looking at in that moment - Alice seems to be really big on true and false narratives (e.g. who's telling the truth or not, who's got the right idea of what's going on, characters hiding secrets or outright lying to each other, etc.), and we need to keep that in mind throughout.

 

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I should also address the scene for which I started seeing genuine concerns about a possible romance: the amusement park flashback.

 

 

The way I see it, though, it's not meant to be romantic. It's not like the adult Jin Gyeom and Tae Yi were on a date or anything. Rather, I think it's simply that Park Sun Young recognized mini-Tae Yi, and because of her knowledge of the prophecy from having read the book, she already sensed that Jin Gyeom and Tae Yi's adult lives would intersect. So Park Sun Young is seeing Jin Gyeom and Tae Yi's grown-up selves, and there's something really bittersweet about that moment for her because she is the only one who is fully aware of its implications for their futures. (Including now, possibly, Jin Gyeom's death :()

 

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14 minutes ago, kittyna said:

The way I see it, though, it's not meant to be romantic. It's not like the adult Jin Gyeom and Tae Yi were on a date or anything. Rather, I think it's simply that Park Sun Young recognized mini-Tae Yi, and because of her knowledge of the prophecy from having read the book, she already sensed that Jin Gyeom and Tae Yi's adult lives would intersect. So Park Sun Young is seeing Jin Gyeom and Tae Yi's grown-up selves, and there's something really bittersweet about that moment for her because she is the only one who is fully aware of its implications for their futures. (Including now, possibly, Jin Gyeom's death :()

 

That's what I thought too..

But most people started thinking about childhood love/attraction bla bla.. rather than mini JG and Taeyi meeting what I thought iconic was Taeyi meeting min taeyi with her son in between them..and this time older Taeyi seems to be recognizing mini Taeyi (either her younger past or just another her from another dimension, yet to established but either way it's impactful) I actually quite like this scene.

 

21 minutes ago, kittyna said:

Feelings can be one-sided, but a romance/love line takes two. And I don't realistically see the show going there. Instead, I think for each scene that does suggest romance, we as viewers need to take a step back and think about whose perspective we're looking at in that moment - Alice seems to be really big on true and false narratives (e.g. who's telling the truth or not, who's got the right idea of what's going on, characters hiding secrets or outright lying to each other, etc.), and we need to keep that in mind throughout.

Totally agree.. that's why I think next week's episodes are crucial- for story wise and rating wise.:P Because I don't think international fans are not the only side that feels uncomfortable with the hints of romance. ha ha..

 

But you know what's more important to most people who are very invested in Alice right now? It's the sci fi and mysterious aspect of the drama.. I think thats why wile many are dropping the drama, many are in fact ignoring this teasing romantic hints..Nothing very important happened in latest episode except the BOOM at the end.. Jin Gyeom dead in 2020 and Cheif Go has a bloodied knife at his hand.. Like the episodes are giving us vibes that chief Go is acting very fishy... but none ever really thought he could be involved in killing Jin Gyeom.. I would like to beleive the flashback of JG death scene suggesting Chief Go as the killer is more than what it seem..!

 

My mind is blown.. and my guess work kinda stopped. Let me know what you guys are thinking.

 

Oh and..

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I actually find this scene funny.. mostly because I could hear Park Si On in Park Jin Gyeom the whole time.. "DHUA JU SHIP ShIYO.." (My pronunciation must be incorrect!).. I wanted to know if I am the only one who got this vibe.. I thought Joo Won totally used Park Si On tone here.

 

 Another reason I found it funny is because I could tell Do Yeon would enter right after that.. just to build some tension.. so I actually had a good laugh when  I was watching this scene.

 

 

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Okay, it's a little bit surreal for me to be doing this now - after literally chatting with you guys for the past couple of days about the new episodes - but here is my actual post-viewing take on Episode 7 of Alice!

 

I know that some of you have said this was a slow episode compared to the others, and...while it wasn't as intense as what came before (or after!), there was still a ton for me to chew on and think about, and I genuinely enjoyed this episode from beginning to end. "Filler" moments were there aplenty, but I thought they were spaced out nicely, as though each one was a calm before a storm. ;) 

 

So, without further ado, my thoughts!

 

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Just want to get my favourite bit out of the way first: how freaking awesome was it that it was actually Yoo Min Hyuk who saved Yoon Tae Yi this time around??? :sparklyeyes: I know that Jin Gyeom played no small part in foiling the attack that took place on campus, but I was 1) pleasantly surprised to see that Min Hyuk gave Jin Gyeom the major clue (i.e. "When it comes to people from the future, you can't believe what you see.") that allowed Jin Gyeom to recognize the killer in disguise, and 2) totally rooting for Min Hyuk when he burst into the room to defend Tae Yi. Even though we do see Min Hyuk looking in on Jin Gyeom and Tae Yi in classic "love rival" angst, knowing that the feelings between them are definitely still platonic in this episode (more on that later), I was able to just be happy to see father and son finally(!) on the same side for once :glasses:

 

The help from Min Hyuk also gives Jin Gyeom (and us) another major clue in his investigations: not all time travelers are on the same page. We see that those with "Alice" reviles people like this assassin or Lee Se Hoon from 1992 as criminals who rightfully deserve to face the full legal consequences for their actions - and, it would seem, they also see the radiation poisoning unofficial time travelers suffer from (as evidenced by that really scary, almost smallpox-like rash) as just punishment. This also gives us a glimpse into the broader socio-political forces in 2050: "Alice" is definitely some sort of elite or official body (as evidenced by its official stance that they only use time travel for good, and its ability to cater to future-Korea's 1%), but there's also a rogue group led by this "Teacher" whose primary goal is to acquire the Book of Prophecy at all costs, including tracking down and killing anyone they suspect to have read it.

 

And right now, it seems, this rogue group has confused the 2020 Yoon Tae Yi with the 2050 one - because the assassin admits to her that he has to kill her for having read the Book and she's just like, "Uh...what book?" In actual fact, the only characters we know to have read the Book of Prophecy are 2050 Tae Yi (i.e. Park Sun Young), Seok Oh Won, and now Go Hyung Seok - which, what??? I have my ideas on what role he has to play in all this, but I'll hold off on that until I've at least seen Episode 8 as well.

 

As for the general body count, we now have 2 research team members (Tae Yi's friend from Episode 6, and the one guy we get a brief glimpse of here) dead, 1 (Seok Oh Won) missing, 1 survivor (Yoon Tae Yi)...so who's #5??? Park Sun Young? Maybe, but then they wouldn't be confusing 2020 Tae Yi with her. Again, it looks like I'll have to wait and see.

 

Speaking of Park Sun Young, this episode confirms what was hinted at in Episode 6 already: at some point after reading the Book of Prophecy, she changed her mind about time travel and sought out Seok Oh Won and asked him to continue the research into the science and technology...but with the intention of stopping it. Which makes me wonder just what it was Sun Young read in the Book to make her switch gears from being a scientist researching time travel for good in 2050/1992 to actively trying to work against it in 2010. Mind you, with Episode 8 out now as well, I'm sure we all have one major idea for this, but again, I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

 

Finally, just one quick more lighthearted note: I love how earnest Park Jin Gyeom is as Tae Yi's self-appointed one-man witness protection program :lol: Everything from trying to stay by her side 24/7 (who's the stalker now? ;)) to his epic fail attempts to cheer Tae Yi up with music, to his even bigger epic fail with aegyo ("Ne~")...wow! Those were all so much fun to watch :loolz: 

 

As for Do Yeon (since I haven't talked about her much so far), I feel like given the chance, she'd do all those things for Jin Gyeom, too. She's genuinely concerned for him right now because of all these weird cases - even going so far (in Episode 6) as to say, "If I didn't know you better [re: the Schrodinger's cat murder] I would've thought you did it!" Which points to an interesting dynamic in their friendship: Do Yeon doesn't want what happened in 2010 to repeat itself, meaning that she's just as (if not more) invested as Tae Yi in making sure that Jin Gyeom's intentions aren't misunderstood. And I don't know; I just think that concern for Jin Gyeom from Do Yeon is cute :) 

 

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8 hours ago, kittyna said:

and I'd argue that if Tae Yi and Jin Gyeom just end up together

I don't think JG would end up with anyone. The more I see the progress of the drama, the more I realize that JG will not with anyone and there is no love line. His reason for existence seems to be stopping time travel and restore order. So, I think he will cease to exist once he fulfills his prophecy

 

7 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

Cheif Go has a bloodied knife at his hand.. Like the episodes are giving us vibes that chief Go is acting very fishy... but none ever really thought he could be involved in killing Jin Gyeom.. I would like to beleive the flashback of JG death scene suggesting Chief Go as the killer is more than what it seem..!

I think Chief Go betrayal will be most unexpected and devastating for JG. He respects Chief more than we would had respected his biological father. And I do think he was using JG from the beginning, like from the day his mother died he looked after JG with some ulterior motive. So, I think JG will have tough time fighting JG when he finds out he had something to do with his mother's death

 

7 hours ago, kittyna said:

(Including now, possibly, Jin Gyeom's death

I don't think she is aware JG death in the future, yes, she tried to stop time travel with SOW in order to protect JG, since prophecy says that the child is the reason for the destruction of time travel. But, I don't think she is aware that it might be reason for the death of the JG in one dimension.

8 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

TBH I get why YTY would develop some feelings for JG..she is a young unengaged woman, getting attention and protection from a handsome and nice man. It's natural to feel good about someone when we are taken care by someone nice. If we think about reality this happens sometimes in time travel show- we see such things that family having crush on the one who came from past/future without knowing their true identity.. and those are done mostly for comedic relief.

I think this is the reason why there is some kind of romantic angle between TY and JG. Lot of time travel plots have these kind of similar confusing romantic sub plots, but the in the end it leads to nowhere, so, I am really not worried that TY and JG will end up together even if they are not related. And now that she came to realize that she is spitting image of JG's mom and now she understands why JG is protective of her and hopefully she will not develop further feelings towards him. But we need to concentrate on bigger picture now, like why Detective go is working for the Teacher and who was behind the murder of JG's mother and will JG stop the time travel and destroy Alice and where will MH go once the Alice cease to exist. So, I am skeptical of second half, like I don't want writers to rush the plot in order to bring closure to every character. And yeah, is Oh Shi Young one of the good guys or bad guys. Like, I am not able to see what kind of incentive she has to work for teacher other than keeping time travel a reality, I do think she is jealous of her best friend and has feelings for MH. So, we should see what kind of reasons drove her take dark turn

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Joo won's radio show, for promotion of Ghost Musical

I am glad joo won is enjoying himself and is doing a variety talk show after a long time, I think last talk show was "Happy Together" for his movie promotion "Fashion King". But I do have reservation on such performance by him on these talk(it's just my opinion, and I am happy as long as Joo won is happy and enjoys doing variety shows and talks shows), but I personally feel all the talk shows regardless of region are superficial, on surface they seems to be bringing out the other  side of the actors/actress which fans have never seen before, but they too stick with the standards of audience expectations and opinions. And seeing in roles which have dept and different dimensions, it is sort of unbearable for me to see him doing such acts in variety talks shows, I know I sound like typical K pop fan who wants his idol to behave in a way which is acceptable for the audience, but I just want to see joo won take roles in which he can excel and reach his potential, right now I will like directors have been under utilizing his acting talent, in Alice I do have few disappointments in his acting, like lack of depth. Nevertheless, he looked genuinely happy on the talks show, which is more important than above said reasons

3 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

I found this interesting and fun recap of Alice episode 7 & 8. Thought I would share it with you guys. 

 It has English sub.. but you have to go to sub settings to set the eng sub.

Lol! Thanks for sharing these recaps, it also helps to recollect what happened in last two episodes and these were like parody of the episodes at the same time :joy:

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8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I think Chief Go betrayal will be most unexpected and devastating for JG. He respects Chief more than we would had respected his biological father. And I do think he was using JG from the beginning, like from the day his mother died he looked after JG with some ulterior motive. So, I think JG will have tough time fighting JG when he finds out he had something to do with his mother's death

 

16 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

.Nothing very important happened in latest episode except the BOOM at the end.. Jin Gyeom dead in 2020 and Cheif Go has a bloodied knife at his hand.. Like the episodes are giving us vibes that chief Go is acting very fishy... but none ever really thought he could be involved in killing Jin Gyeom.. I would like to beleive the flashback of JG death scene suggesting Chief Go as the killer is more than what it seem..!

 

I think I'll wait until I've also watched Episode 8 in full before commenting in any real detail about Go Hyung Seok, but just know that I am really intrigued about what his game is right now. Like, for instance, if he approached Jin Gyeom from the start with an ulterior motive, or if said ulterior motive developed over time. And also, just what his ultimate goal or plan is - because I doubt he got to know Jin Gyeom in 2010 with the motive of killing him in 2020, so clearly a ton of things happened in between to lead to that moment at the end of Episode 8.

 

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It has, for instance, already crossed my mind that he's the Teacher, but how or why is still beyond me.

 

8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I think this is the reason why there is some kind of romantic angle between TY and JG. Lot of time travel plots have these kind of similar confusing romantic sub plots, but the in the end it leads to nowhere, so, I am really not worried that TY and JG will end up together even if they are not related. And now that she came to realize that she is spitting image of JG's mom and now she understands why JG is protective of her and hopefully she will not develop further feelings towards him.

 

16 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

But you know what's more important to most people who are very invested in Alice right now? It's the sci fi and mysterious aspect of the drama.. I think thats why wile many are dropping the drama, many are in fact ignoring this teasing romantic hints..

 

Actually, after watching Episode 7 in full, I feel like the romance...isn't actually as big a deal as people are making it out to be? It's almost like we as viewers have forgotten that there are tons of different kinds of close, intimate relationships and many different kinds of love that aren't actually romantic or sexual. It's like people see them becoming more comfortable around each other and are immediately freaking out that this is going to turn romantic. Not that I blame them: it's a knee-jerk reaction that's heavily shaped by how our culture and media have a tendency to romanticize and sexualize just about everything.

 

But frankly, if you were to ask me whether Jin Gyeom and Tae Yi like/love each other right now...I'd actually say, "Yes, but not romantically." Because I see that Jin Gyeom has this all-encompassing selfless concern for Tae Yi right now, and when that's combined with his general lack of interest in sexual overtures, it's the sort of foundation that can lead to a very pure and healthy unconditional love that both skips beyond and goes way deeper than romance. It is, as you guys have pointed out, similar to the sort of love that Jin Gyeom had for his mother, and - to a slightly lesser extent - he still has for Do Yeon.

 

8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

But we need to concentrate on bigger picture now, like why Detective go is working for the Teacher and who was behind the murder of JG's mother and will JG stop the time travel and destroy Alice and where will MH go once the Alice cease to exist.

 

I still remember what the director of Alice said about this drama ultimately being about a single family - Jin Gyeom, Tae Yi, Min Hyuk - so I hope that the focus is going to be there. From that perspective, the Episode 9 preview looks promising, because it looks like Min Hyuk, at least, is finally starting to piece the truth together.

 

Actually, I hope he starts doing so already in Episode 8, given that people who time travel using just their time cards tend to suffer severe physical symptoms due to radiation poisoning...and maybe it should be cluing in for him anytime now that Jin Gyeom doesn't have those signs - and, thus, that Jin Gyeom is more like someone from "Alice" than someone from the past. ;) 

 

2 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I am glad joo won is enjoying himself and is doing a variety talk show after a long time, I think last talk show was "Happy Together" for his movie promotion "Fashion King".

 

His final talk show appearance was Healing Camp with Yong Pal, but that one (like Win Win from 2012), is known for going more in-depth than most. Variety show guest appearances like Witch HuntHappy TogetherMaster of the HouseRunning Man, etc. are a bit more constraining, because the guest has to accommodate the show's existing format and cast (which, to be honest, is what audiences are really there to see). The guests are just there for the ride and to get their faces out there, but the focus really isn't on them, their story, etc.

 

So in that sense, more longform interview formats like Healing Camp and Win Win seem to work better for JW, and I wonder if that's why he chose radio this time around for Alice.

 

2 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

And seeing in roles which have dept and different dimensions, it is sort of unbearable for me to see him doing such acts in variety talks shows,

 

Well, like it or not, the brutal reality is that JW's one of the few major cash cows his agency has - and yes, I know it sounds crass, but I really do mean that. It's diversified a bit more in the past few years, but it was pretty much only him at first. So he's the one who has to do all these promos, and he's the one who I argue his agency has tried to push into more typical Hallyu star romantic lead roles. I like that this means JW has sufficient bargaining power to choose his own roles at least some of the time (Alice being the recent example, but also ones like Gaksital and Good Doctor), but the more superficial celebrity gimmicks are what he has to churn out in exchange for that power of choice. So I've learned to just roll with it :)  

 

16 hours ago, flutterby06 said:

I actually find this scene funny.. mostly because I could hear Park Si On in Park Jin Gyeom the whole time.. "DHUA JU SHIP ShIYO.." (My pronunciation must be incorrect!).. I wanted to know if I am the only one who got this vibe.. I thought Joo Won totally used Park Si On tone here.

 

 Another reason I found it funny is because I could tell Do Yeon would enter right after that.. just to build some tension.. so I actually had a good laugh when  I was watching this scene.

 

I haven't watched all of Episode 8 yet (hope to get to it soon, though!), but I will say that this is one pseudo-romance scene that felt kind of forced and unrealistic for me. Like, Jin Gyeom's mistake (i.e. grabbing the white T-shirt underneath as well as the grey sweatshirt) is understandable and something we've all done at least once in our lives, but I'm really surprised that Tae Yi didn't point that out to him when it was really bleeding obvious where this was going.

 

Maybe she actually did say something, and I just missed it due to lack of subs - if so, I stand corrected. But if she actually didn't intervene or try to correct his mistake, then this bit just felt like it was thrown in there as fan-service. And I'm not a fan of that (pun intended).

 

By the way, I saw this on Pinterest a while ago, but never got around to sharing it: a different angle of that awesome stunt scene in Episode 1.

 

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And we also have some new pics from what appears to be a print/written interview for Ghost.

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55 minutes ago, kittyna said:

His final talk show appearance was Healing Camp with Yong Pal

Well, it was not like a variety show, like, where celebrity expected to entertain the audience and viewers with his/her actions. Healing camp was more like an personal interview with diverse question, I felt it was more like a fan meet

1 hour ago, kittyna said:

Well, like it or not, the brutal reality is that JW's one of the few major cash cows his agency has

I know that, but in order to generate more revenue out of him, Joo won's dramas need to get more ratings, and right now dramas with typical K-drama romance are not able to succeed in getting decent ratings, case in point "Backstreet Rookie". And the only way the agency could maximum revenue if they let Joo won reach his acting potential and waste his talents by making him do routine roles. If his dramas and movies does well then lot of ad agency will give Joo won to act in ads through which his agency can get decent revenue. I hope his agency realize that letting him do roles which are more suitable for Joo won is a Win-Win deal and I hope they see his career in long term perspective and not just short time, like ,they did with "My Sassy Girl", they sort of went with the trend of that time and created a mediocre drama, which I see as a set back to Joo Won. I also hope his agency understands that Joo won doesn't have stardom to lean on to bounce back, all he has his hard work and excellent acting skills which needs to put in good use by letting him do roles which have dept and versatile qualities

1 hour ago, kittyna said:

Go Hyung Seok, but just know that I am really intrigued about what his game is right now

Yeah, at first I though he would be some kind of collateral damage, got mixed up in  a cross fire. But, I never though he would be a player in this time travel thing, and I suspected his wife would do something like this in order to secure her sons life in another dimension and occasionally meet him through time travel

 

1 hour ago, kittyna said:

now that Jin Gyeom doesn't have those signs

I think JG did collapse after time travel, like I don't know if he had radiation on him, but he did got some kind of weakness after time travel

1 hour ago, kittyna said:

it's the sort of foundation that can lead to a very pure and healthy unconditional love that both skips beyond and goes way deeper than romance

I think JG is doing everything for TY that he wanted to do for his mom, from protecting her to getting every thing that she wants and keeping her comfortable. In JG's point of few she is his mom and it is understandable that TY is confused with feelings she has for JG, she really doesn't know that JG can be her son, so she is having this romantic tension with him. But from next episode he might see those romantic feelings going away, has she gears up to find out mystery behind time travel and about her life.

 

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3 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I hope his agency realize that letting him do roles which are more suitable for Joo won is a Win-Win deal and I hope they see his career in long term perspective and not just short time, like ,they did with "My Sassy Girl", they sort of went with the trend of that time and created a mediocre drama, which I see as a set back to Joo Won. I also hope his agency understands that Joo won doesn't have stardom to lean on to bounce back, all he has his hard work and excellent acting skills which needs to put in good use by letting him do roles which have dept and versatile qualities

 

In that case, while Alice might not be perfect, I do think it's a step in the right direction for JW's long-term career. It's touching on a number of his strengths - and I still can't really envision any other actor his age playing Park Jin Gyeom as well as he has so far - but by virtue of its action sci-fi genre, we're also not going to get the degree of depth that, say, a more noir or "slice of life" style drama tends to offer (e.g. something like My Ahjussi, for instance). My understanding is that that's where JW himself wants to go as an actor, but if or when that happens isn't entirely up to him. Still, letting him choose his own comeback project is a positive sign, all things considered :)  

 

This does make me curious, though, about just what other scripts/concepts wound up in the discard pile along the way. We know that JW got over 50 (one source last year even said 70) offers waiting for him at the time of his discharge, and he decided to actually go through them all and make his own choice rather than letting his agency decide all that for him. lol - it's sort of like a more lighthearted version of the parallel universe theory: if JW had chosen one of the other 49 scripts, where would we be now?

 

3 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Yeah, at first I though he would be some kind of collateral damage, got mixed up in  a cross fire. But, I never though he would be a player in this time travel thing, and I suspected his wife would do something like this in order to secure her sons life in another dimension and occasionally meet him through time travel

 

lol - You're faster than me, then, because I hadn't thought to conflate Go Hyung Seok with time travel at all until Episode 7 :P Like, I knew there was something shady happening all along, with his reactions to hearing Yoon Tae Yi's name, but I just assumed that he was simply more involved in Park Sun Young's death than he was leading Jin Gyeom to believe. The idea that he could be involved with the whole "Book of Prophecy" stuff as well was a surprise - but it does explain why he's shown in that weird "double take" montage after Sun Young's death in Episode 1. ;) 

 

3 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I think JG did collapse after time travel, like I don't know if he had radiation on him, but he did got some kind of weakness after time travel

 

I hadn't commented on this before, but Jin Gyeom's got his own troubling set of symptoms that are markedly different from anyone else's. I first noticed it in Episode 5, when he gets that piercing headache (like, so bad he's curling up in a ball and trying not to scream) while crouched outside his old house - which turns out to be related to the presence of a drone nearby. The same sort of thing happened later that same episode in Yoon Tae Yi's office: and while the fainting was understandable in and of itself (the boy was in shock, after all), the nosebleed definitely freaked me out. :frown:

 

At the time, with Min Hyuk's comment that "Jin Gyeom must be suffering right now" due to time travel using only the time card, I assumed that those symptoms were what he meant. But now that, come Episode 7, we see that that's not what he meant after all (Min Hyuk meant that mysterious rash), I'm back to square one about just what sort of a toll time travel is taking on Jin Gyeom's health.

 

3 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

But from next episode he might see those romantic feelings going away, has she gears up to find out mystery behind time travel and about her life.

 

Point. I did get a sense that the cutesy pseudo/one-sided romance was the calm before the storm...and here we are.

 

And some more miscellaneous goodies:

 

I've been suspecting this for a while, so it's good to have confirmation that, yes, Park Jin Gyeom does repeat his costumes. It's a small character detail, but I love it for some reason :) 

 

Some really awesome pieces of fanart:

 

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https://www.instagram.com/p/CFW_zAYHrXH/ - I really love this one in particular :heart:

 

And here's yet another funny meme. Yeah, I'm sure many of us have been there :lol:

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47 minutes ago, kittyna said:

the nosebleed definitely freaked me out.

Did his nosebleed? I didn't notice that

1 hour ago, kittyna said:

but by virtue of its action sci-fi genre, we're also not going to get the degree of depth that

That's the draw back in Science Fiction genre, all the character have uni dimension, either they stay good till the end of the drama or bad, no moral dilemma, except I see in the Alice that there is some human side, like sacrifice, which PSY has done and I sort expect JG to do it also in order to protect TY.

1 hour ago, kittyna said:

it's sort of like a more lighthearted version of the parallel universe theory: if JW had chosen one of the other 49 scripts, where would we be now?

That is really hard to imagine, we don't know what kind of drama scripts he had rejected or at leas choose not to play

But, has he mentioned earlier in many of his interviews that he likes to do dramas in which there are plenty of action scenes, so at least we know why he chose Alice

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And now I've finally caught up with Episode 8 of Alice. Since we all already knew and talked about the epic plot twist ending that eclipsed all the other gazillion twists from this drama so far, I actually want to dance around it in this analysis, and focus on other aspects of the episode I liked.

 

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Rather odd fanservice/shirtless Jin Gyeom moment aside, I really, really liked watching all those little moments between Park Jin Gyeom and Yoon Tae Yi in his old house. First of all, seeing Jin Gyeom in his (as I put it last time) "self-appointed one-man witness protection program" mode is just adorable. He's so eager to help, but it's hilarious how he pretty much consistently makes himself look like a total dork in the attempt: he probably close to liquidates his bank account to get all the stuff in Tae Yi's massive wish list, she ends up both a better cook and handy(wo)man than him, he tries to go after the bugs and fails, he can't even poke her with a needle despite knowing that she explicitly asked him to do it.... Point is: Jin Gyeom's so earnest in his care for Tae Yi that I was going back and forth between laughing out loud and squeeing through most of those scenes. :sparklyeyes:

 

Another thing I loved about this little arc was Jin Gyeom's decision to make his childhood home Tae Yi's safehouse - he's literally bringing her to the place where he still feels the safest and happiest, and that's saying something :) 

 

But that being said, I actually got fewer romance vibes than I thought I would. The occasional slow-mo moments from Tae Yi's perspective aside (including the one where she watches Jin Gyeom sleeping - and then is so startled when he wakes up that she smacks him, leaving him all, "What did I do?!?!"), I actually sensed that most of their interactions were still platonic, and I especially loved their discussion in the attic about places and the memories we associate with them (until things got awkward - I concede that the scene was genuinely funny, but it still felt shoehorned in). I also loved that Tae Yi refuses to take this whole "witness protection" plan sitting down; she wants to help Jin Gyeom along in his investigation, and ends up being the one to put all the pieces together.

 

And this gets at the second, bigger reason why I didn't really feel romantic vibes here: because this was the episode where I was most able to see the similarities between Park Sun Young and Yoon Tae Yi. There are so many examples where we see that both of them have the exact same determination and spunk: the confrontation between Sun Young and Oh Shi Young in 1992; 2020-Tae Yi's stubborn determination to solve the complicated mathematical formula in hopes it'd offer a clue to identifying her attacker; and even Tae Yi's assertion to the police in 2021 that "[She'll] take care of things herself" (which I think strongly echoes Sun Young's comments to the doctor after mini-Jin Gyeom's diagnosis) when they offer to find Jin Gyeom's murderer. Up to this point, I felt like Sun Young and Tae Yi had similar looks, but different personalities, but now, I am actually starting to think otherwise.

 

Another win for this episode: finally Yoo Min Hyuk is starting to piece things together on his end! I was waiting for him to realize that Shi Young lied to him about what happened to 2050-Tae Yi and their child, since it's clear that he never stopped loving them in his own way - yeah, I don't think anyone's buying his, "She dumped me, so why should I care?!" excuse :P 

 

As for Shi Young's role in all this, it's still unclear whether she knows that Tae Yi took the Book of Prophecy with her, but even if she does, I don't think she's on the side of the "Teacher"  just yet. Instead, I see Shi Young - like Min Hyuk - as being uber-loyal to "Alice"; I think she felt hurt and betrayed that Tae Yi, her "ride or die" best friend, would choose to leave her and Min Hyuk in favour of a child (especially a child who, according to their knowledge of the use of radiation in time travel, would likely not survive anyway). But that's not enough incentive to try to kill Tae Yi/Sun Young, is it?

 

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46 minutes ago, kittyna said:

I really, really liked watching all those little moments between Park Jin Gyeom and Yoon Tae Yi in his old house. First of all, seeing Jin Gyeom in his (as I put it last time) "self-appointed one-man witness protection program" mode is just adorable

I think you already mentioned this, right? I am asking this because it feels like I have read this comment before.

And, yeah it was sweet of him to protect her in  his childhood house, it's like, he would have done the same thing if his mom was in similar position.

49 minutes ago, kittyna said:

He's so eager to help, but it's hilarious how he pretty much consistently makes himself look like a total dork in the attempt

I thought these scenes would play out in opposite way, like JG would be the one to cook delicious food and will be the one to assemble the table, since he was living by himself for sometime, I thought we would have got some skills by now, but I would also like to point out that an grown adult(she/he) would always behave like JG around parents no matter how old they, I think it's some kind of psychological thing, like I would be in similar situation if I have to doing something around my parents and I most probable end up messing it up, and I would have no problem doing same things which I mess up when they are not around

54 minutes ago, kittyna said:

Point is: Jin Gyeom's so earnest in his care for Tae Yi that I was going back and forth between laughing out loud and squeeing through most of those scenes. 

I almost forgot to enjoy the drama in this rat race of figuring out the various theories associated in the drama. Like, I am more interested in next episode rather than enjoying the present episodes. Now I am realizing it when you have point the adorable things in the episode.

56 minutes ago, kittyna said:

I felt like Sun Young and Tae Yi had similar looks, but different personalities, but now, I am actually starting to think otherwise.

So, basically TY's life is like background of PSY which we never get to know, like how her personality was before giving birth to JG. In initial episodes I too thought that TY and PSY were different persons, but the more I see her interaction with JG the more I sense that she has lot of similarities with PSY.

 

58 minutes ago, kittyna said:

Another win for this episode: finally Yoo Min Hyuk is starting to piece things together on his end! I was waiting for him to realize that Shi Young lied to him about what happened to 2050-Tae Yi and their child, since it's clear that he never stopped loving them in his own way - yeah, I don't think anyone's buying his, "She dumped me, so why should I care?!" excuse

Yeah, finally! He and the director of Alice were only ones who were oblivious to the things happening around them. And yeah I do think MH was just trying to cover his pain for letting go TY by saying that "Dumping me" thing. But I think it is too late for, all he can do is avenge her death and make sure her son is safe and gets to live a happy life

 

1 hour ago, kittyna said:

I don't think she's on the side of the "Teacher"  just yet. Instead, I see Shi Young - like Min Hyuk - as being uber-loyal to "Alice"; I think she felt hurt and betrayed that Tae Yi, her "ride or die" best friend, would choose to leave her and Min Hyuk in favour of a child

I think the interests of Teacher and Shi-Young have convergence, like, both want the time travel to be a reality and doesn't want to be destroyed. At least in Shi Young case we know that her incentive for keeping time travel a reality is to keep Alice alive, we don't know why Teacher wants the time travel to stay on. And initially I think teacher made deal in which he must have assured Shi-young that he'll not cause any harm to PSY ans will only take book of prophecy and probably kill her child in order to keep the time travel a reality. But, has things go wrong she must have gotten her in so deep that she can't turn back. Why I suspect that she is involved in PSY murder is because of the drone and it seems like Shi Young position gives her some degree of autonomy to operate drones without the knowledge of anyone in Alice.

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https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/art/2020/09/688_296345.html

I am glad that Alice is doing well in Korea, I don't really trust the K-dramas which are internationally popular baring few like (The Kingdom).

But I am not able to understand this rating thing, like for Dramas in tvN and JTBC viewers with 1.2 million has rating of 7%, but the dramas for same viewership as rating of 8 or 9. Like, how does it work, and rankings are also not clear when it comes to tvN and JTBC

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21 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Joo won's radio show, for promotion of Ghost Musical

I am glad joo won is enjoying himself and is doing a variety talk show after a long time, I think last talk show was "Happy Together" for his movie promotion "Fashion King". But I do have reservation on such performance by him on these talk(it's just my opinion, and I am happy as long as Joo won is happy and enjoys doing variety shows and talks shows), but I personally feel all the talk shows regardless of region are superficial, on surface they seems to be bringing out the other  side of the actors/actress which fans have never seen before, but they too stick with the standards of audience expectations and opinions. And seeing in roles which have dept and different dimensions, it is sort of unbearable for me to see him doing such acts in variety talks shows, I know I sound like typical K pop fan who wants his idol to behave in a way which is acceptable for the audience, but I just want to see joo won take roles in which he can excel and reach his potential, right now I will like directors have been under utilizing his acting talent, in Alice I do have few disappointments in his acting, like lack of depth. Nevertheless, he looked genuinely happy on the talks show, which is more important than above said reasons

 

I actually wanted to see Joo Won in vareity talk show after his discharge from military service.. Because I really wanted to hear his experience from military. I've seen in news how many celebrities comes and talk about their experience. As a fan I wanted to get that. I was hoping it will be Happy Together/ Radio Star because these are the only vareity show that mostly does talk. I didn't have much idea about radio star, but did know it was a talk show and at that time Cha Tae Hyun was MC there. But sadly Alice took a long time to air and I didn't get any promotional activity. 

 

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So now that he is in Radio Star I'm quite happy.. I have zero ideas on musical but I'm glad we'll get stories from army(teaser shows that). What is different from other celebrities are that they do not share much of their inner feelings, but he does...Also after watching many interviews of JW I have feeling I can identify what he's sharing genuinely from heart and what he is saying out of politeness or to just promote something... Is it just me.. I think not.

They mentioned Gaksital :omg:

 

 

 

19 hours ago, kittyna said:

I haven't watched all of Episode 8 yet (hope to get to it soon, though!), but I will say that this is one pseudo-romance scene that felt kind of forced and unrealistic for me. Like, Jin Gyeom's mistake (i.e. grabbing the white T-shirt underneath as well as the grey sweatshirt) is understandable and something we've all done at least once in our lives, but I'm really surprised that Tae Yi didn't point that out to him when it was really bleeding obvious where this was going.

 

Maybe she actually did say something, and I just missed it due to lack of subs - if so, I stand corrected. But if she actually didn't intervene or try to correct his mistake, then this bit just felt like it was thrown in there as fan-service. And I'm not a fan of that (pun intended).

 

I couldn't stare at  topless  Joo Won like Joo Won couldn't watch Uie's sexy dance in Happy Together.:ph34r:

 

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I am not fan of naked body either. Specially when it's for fan service.. shower scene are done for the purpose of fan service in movies and dramas and I think it's done for keeping a memory how once the actor build such a body. ;) Anyways I tend to avoid looking directly when too much skins are showing with the intention of showing hotness of any gender.. I found out JW isn't an exception too. 

 

But I particularly found this scene funny because that park si on tone and I knew they're preparing for Do Yeon's entrance.

 

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4 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Dramas in tvN and JTBC viewers with 1.2 million has rating of 7%, but the dramas for same viewership as rating of 8 or 9. Like, how does it work, and rankings are also not clear when it comes to tvN and JTBC

 

I may be wrong but KBS, SBS and MBC are kind of national channel. You don't need to have cable line to watch this channel in  SK. But tvN, jtbc, OCN these are cable channel. So many people watch this dramas by downloading or from streaming sites. That's why even though a drama from these channels are popular they've low rating because not everyone takes cable service.

 

52 minutes ago, kireeti2 said:

I would like to apologies in advance if you see any unwanted videos after completing the BTS of Alice :sweatingbullets:

 

ha ha I get you.. Thanks for sharing. 

 

JW's IG Update today..

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@kireeti2 , @kittyna were you guys talking about possible effects of radiation or illegal time travel on Park Jin Gyeom? There's some scene that we may encounter in future episodes.. A first I thought they were blood but some one pointed on twitter that these seems like rashes.. and now that I look closely they're. Interesting is not only they're on 2020 JG a scene looked like they're on 2010 JG!!

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44 minutes ago, flutterby06 said:

were you guys talking about possible effects of radiation or illegal time travel on Park Jin Gyeom? There's some scene that we may encounter in future episodes.

Yes, some how Alice time travelers are not affected by any radiation whatsoever. So, in this case I think MH can be an asset for JG and TY(2020), in order to do a time travel without affecting from radiation.

47 minutes ago, flutterby06 said:

and now that I look closely they're. Interesting is not only they're on 2020 JG a scene looked like they're on 2010 JG!!

The teasers and trailers are now more confusing after watching 8 episodes of the drama, baring from few scenes, I am not able to predict anything from teaser and trailer, and I think it's a good thing and keeps me interested in the drama

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