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By the way, looking back at my comments so far, I think my opinion on Alice's ending might be rather hard to figure out. So, I'll just put it like this: I do like the ending as it is, in its original form. Even though I did say that I'd do it differently if I were the writer, the fact is: I'm NOT the writer, and that comment should NOT be taken as my trashing the actual writers' hard work. Apologies for any confusion so far.

 

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By the way, for anyone who's interested: time-travel and parallel universe storylines are notoriously hard to write. Just take a look at all the different possible paths of logic and causality have cropped up over the years:

 

 

This is not the sort of thing I'd ever be able to plot out on my own, and after watching this video, I do have to commend Alice's writers for their attempt - regardless of whether we as viewers find it successful.

 

It's just that for me, rather than frustrating, open endings are the perfect fuel for imagination, curiosity, and extrapolation. So even with enjoying the finale as-is, it's still a fun exercise for me to try to piece together the little snippets of post-reset life that we see, or to imagine possible alternative ways that Tae Yi and Jin Gyeom could meet again. And, of course, it's definitely fun to imagine what's going on at the same time in the parallel universe where it's 2050 and we have Yoo Min Hyuk, that version of Yoon Tae Yi, and a future baby Jin Gyeom.

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15 hours ago, kittyna said:

So, rather than Jin Gyeom starting to remember Tae Yi, I would have written him as someone who doesn't remember, but who ends up meeting Tae Yi again in a different context. Maybe she ends up buying the old house and commissions him to renovate it or something, I dunno. And then they officially introduce (or, in Tae Yi's case, reintroduce) themselves, and a new working relationship or friendship could start.

Lol! And you were saying you are not thinking about writing Alice fan fiction anytime soon. This one looks like a nice introduction scene for Alice fan fiction.

15 hours ago, kittyna said:

If it were up to me, I think I'd be happy with the drama ending after Jin Gyeom and Tae Yi first run into each other again - when, after realizing that Jin Gyeom doesn't recognize her, Tae Yi finally starts to think that it might be better for him this way. I loved that bit about her just being happy that he's happy, because I think that's what love (romantic or otherwise) should ultimately be about.

Yeah, the scene where PJG did not recognize TY(2020) almost felt like an "Alzheimer's" K-drama story, for instance "Remember" K-drama.

15 hours ago, kittyna said:

I will confess to also being surprised that Jin Gyeom didn't appear to recognize Tae Yi at first

Well, I was not surprised by it, because PJG as detective is different than PJG as an architecture. So, for instance PJG as a detective was obsessed with finding his mom's killer and it was the only thing in his mind. So, he was able to recognize TY(2020) as soon as he saw her, even though she has different style when compared to PSY. But PJG as a architecture has a different life altogether, like, he has normal life style apart from the dreams he was able to draw inspiration for his work. So, like you mentioned Quantum entanglement had to do with messing up the memories of new PJG, just like TY(2020), she was able to recall all the memories from her past in phased manner, after interacting with MH.I think it is the same case with PJG

17 hours ago, nina_mitrokhina 5misnina said:

3. In terms of DNA, Professor Tae Yi remains Jin Gyooma's biological mother. Then how can incest be allowed between these two characters ?!

Well, the feeling was not mutual and TY(2020) was just confused(it was brief)  and did not have the all the available details like we do to figure out that PJG is her son. It's not something new in Time travel genre where this kind of confusion happens between the people who are related by blood. At the end she was able to come to terms that she is PJG's mom and tried to protect him like his mom and not someone who has love interest on him. And before dying in episode 15, her last wish was that PJG should lead a normal life.

 

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9 hours ago, kittyna said:

It's just that for me, rather than frustrating, open endings

I don't see it as open ended at all. Like, they were few loose ends, but we can sort of explain it with "RESET", which is not perfect, but that's the best explanation writers have come up with, since time travel is really a complex genre and even the "Avengers Endgame" has so many plot holes when compared with Alice. So, if we compare with other time travel drama Alice had logical ending of them all. In the end we can see that PJG was able to recall who TY(2020) was and finally met her again. I have only one complaint about the ending, I was hoping that the writers would pair KDY with new PJG, at least they should have met each other because of the mutual friends. I know she met him as a Journalist, but she had no feelings towards him, because the school accident was also undone due to the reset.

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5 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I don't see it as open ended at all. Like, they were few loose ends, but we can sort of explain it with "RESET", which is not perfect, but that's the best explanation writers have come up with, since time travel is really a complex genre and even the "Avengers Endgame" has some many plot holes when compared with Alice.

 

Um...isn't that what I was trying to say all along? In my opinion, if we reset to a time after Jin Gyeom was already born but before his mother died, then he could still live a life in our timeline that's completely unimpacted by time travel. I just see that reset as going back to 2010.

 

Also, re: open endings - you can't quote the first half of my sentence as my take when there's a second half qualifying it ;) I think the ending is open, but only insofar as most K-dramas have open endings: an ending that hints at a new beginning for the characters and that allows for their stories to continue. Which is why I'm not bothered by the openness, but see it as an opportunity to interpret, imagine, etc. on my own.

 

6 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Lol! And you were saying you are not thinking about writing Alice fan fiction anytime soon. This one looks like a nice introduction scene for Alice fan fiction.

 

Maybe. We'll have to see. I had another idea developing from the early episodes and just needed to watch all the way to the end to see if it would still work. And since it does....

 

Right now, priority is in wrapping up Seolleim in Salzburg, though. But I will confess that Alice's finale (and this whole Jin Gyeom as architect idea - which surprised me at first, but I actually love it) led me down a Pinterest rabbit hole looking at similarly renovated hanok :P 

 

6 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Well, I was not surprised by it, because PJG as detective is different than PJG as an architecture. So, for instance PJG as a detective was obsessed with finding his mom's killer and it was the only thing in his mind. So, he was able to recognize TY(2020) as soon as he saw her, even though she has different style when compared to PSY. But PJG as a architecture has a different life altogether, like, he has normal life style apart from the dreams he was able to draw inspiration for his work.

 

Exactly my thought. Even if she did resemble his mother, it'd be the sort of thing that would come to him as an afterthought (i.e. that double take we see afterwards). But since I personally speculate that Park Sun Young might actually still be alive in this version of 2020, I figured it wouldn't be much more than a passing thought - the same way any of us might see a stranger on the street, think they vaguely resemble someone we currently know, then dismiss the thought.

 

6 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Well, the feeling was not mutual and TY(2020) was just confused(it was brief)  and did not have the all the available details like we do to figure out that PJG is her son. It's not something new in Time travel genre where this kind of confusion happens between the people who are related by blood. At the end she was able to come to terms that she is PJG's mom and tried to protect him like his mom and not someone who has love interest on him. And before dying in episode 15, her last wish was that PJG should lead a normal life.

 

Same. Nor do I think any romance is possible with the new 2020 either - because even if Jin Gyeom's memory of his parallel self is really fuzzy right now, Tae Yi's memories are clearer.

 

I just realized, after rewatching the ending a few times, that it's actually a really intriguing reversal of Episode 1/2: where Tae Yi is the one who's obsessively searching for Jin Gyeom and who now claims to know him from somewhere, and he's like, "Uh...what?" It's resolved by the subconscious memories floating up in his mind afterwards, but if he does recognize her now, he'd also recognize that it's because of her connection to his mother....Point is: romance is still highly unlikely, in my opinion.

 

5 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I have only one complaint about the ending, I was hoping that the writers would pair KDY with new PJG, at least they should have met each other because of the mutual friends. I know she met him as a Journalist, but she had no feelings towards him, because the school accident was also undone due to the reset.

 

For me, there are a few things that I'm still trying to figure out about Jin Gyeom's new life, given my own theory that this is a continuation of the 2010 reset.

 

1. why Go Hyung Seok doesn't remember him or his case from 2010

2. his current relationship with Kim Do Yeon - whether they're still friends, and if so, why DY didn't say so to Tae Yi

3. his feelings/memories about that house - the current owner says she lived there for seven years (i.e. since 2013), but did Jin Gyeom live there before then?

 

Personally, rather than plot holes, most of these can be explained by normal lapses in human memory (e.g. Jin Gyeom's case now just one in a gazillion Captain Go's dealt with over the past ten years, and not a particularly memorable one at that), or characters keeping things to themselves rather than blurting them out (e.g. DY not saying she knows JG to TY because they literally just met, so why should she? Or JG just answering vaguely about his drawing of the house to his client, because it's just a tangent in their discussion about hers).

 

Basically, for me, I like to take what the writers actually present to me in a drama, and then use my own imagination to try to piece them together and flesh them out in a way that I could then write about them in the future ;) 

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25 minutes ago, kittyna said:

1. why Go Hyung Seok doesn't remember him or his case from 2010

2. his current relationship with Kim Do Yeon - whether they're still friends, and if so, why DY didn't say so to Tae Yi

3. his feelings/memories about that house - the current owner says she lived there for seven years (i.e. since 2013), but did Jin Gyeom live there before then?

I think the new PJG is like TY(2020) in the beginning episode, like, how TY(2020) was oblivious to her past and new PJG is also oblivious to that.

I think the school suicide case was undone and that's why Detective Go doesn't remember it or the present Detective Go is not from future like the one who died by the hands of Professor Seok Won. And even if the suicide case happened, perhaps Kim Do Yeon did not accuse PJG, since it was the main reason which KDY got school to PJG. And maybe Detective Go's captain handled the case so, he doesn't know that PJG exist. And coming to the house, I think he does remember the house, since it often comes in his dream and he was able to find the exact address and meet TY(2020) in the end. So, my guess is PSY and PJG might have left the house for the sake of PJG's education.

32 minutes ago, kittyna said:

Also, re: open endings - you can't quote the first half of my sentence as my take when there's a second half qualifying it

Point noted, I will be careful with it in the future posts:sweat_smile:

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51 minutes ago, kittyna said:

Oh my God - baby Jin Gyeom's so cute!!!

And the way baby PJG was not able to win Rock-Paper-Scissors with Kim Hee-Seon despite her help was too cute to watch, and also the way Joo won was eating at the team dinner brought back few memories of 1 day and 2 nights

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1 hour ago, kireeti2 said:

I think the school suicide case was undone and that's why Detective Go doesn't remember it or the present Detective Go is not from future like the one who died by the hands of Professor Seok Won. And even if the suicide case happened, perhaps Kim Do Yeon did not accuse PJG, since it was the main reason which KDY got school to PJG. And maybe Detective Go's captain handled the case so, he doesn't know that PJG exist. And coming to the house, I think he does remember the house, since it often comes in his dream and he was able to find the exact address and meet TY(2020) in the end. So, my guess is PSY and PJG might have left the house for the sake of PJG's education.

 

That's an interesting take - and here's mine (or what I have of it so far):

 

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The suicide still happened (unfortunately, Jin Gyeom's reset didn't have much impact on those who weren't affected by the existence of time travelers), and someone (maybe Do Yeon, maybe another student) still saw Jin Gyeom on the rooftop. However, it was ruled as a suicide really early on. Whether it happened in the same way as the first time around (i.e. with Park Sun Young finding an eyewitness) or another means, though, I'm not sure. Either way, it ends up just being a tiny blip in Captain Go's life (hence why he doesn't recall it ten years later), and the only thing Jin Gyeom learns from it is to better appreciate his mother.

 

Sun Young's birthday plays out the same way we see in the numerous snippets from Episode 16: Do Yeon coaching Jin Gyeom on making seaweed soup, buying a cake, etc. and Jin Gyeom finally able to celebrate as he wanted and deciding to join Sun Young in going out for drinks. The murder doesn't happen, so when DY and JG go to apply for university, she still ends up going into journalism/literature/something writing-related, and he goes into engineering/architecture/etc. (Might as well put the math skills he inherited from his mom to good use.) DY and JG end up going to different universities and gradually fall out of touch in that way most of us do with our high school friends.

 

At some point in the ten years since graduating from high school, Jin Gyeom and his mother move out of the old house. I still haven't decided on the actual reason for the move, though: maybe it's to move closer to wherever JG has university (as you said), or maybe JG eventually makes enough money for them to move into an apartment building (which is what many Koreans aspire to as the middle-class ideal). It's even crossed my mind that JG might end up spending some time abroad: I noticed that the name of the firm he works for (Maison du Temps) is in French, and the whole concept of reworking historical architecture to meet 21st century needs is quite prevalent in Europe.

 

Either way, I think he and DY went their separate ways after high school, but have now met again because of her report. The scene cuts after Tae Yi hears what JG said about spaces holding memory, so we don't get the rest of the conversation; it's still possible that, if prompted further, DY would say something about knowing JG growing up. ;) 

 

And this is why I like playing around with endings like this: because different people can fill in the gaps in different ways, and that fosters creativity and imagination :) 

 

39 minutes ago, kireeti2 said:

And the way baby PJG was not able to win Rock-Paper-Scissors with Kim Hee-Seon despite her help was too cute to watch

 

I think he was just too little (about two years old, I think) :) At that age, kids think that the point of Rock-Paper-Scissors is to imitate what their partner does rather than beat them :P You can see that that's what he's doing in the clip, and it's adorable.

 

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By the way, there's one detail from the first half of Episode 16 that I didn't comment on before, but that I thought was really brilliant. When "our" Jin Gyeom goes back in time to 2010 again, he checks his arm when he first tracks down his mother and starts to follow her. I actually love that they included that touch. :) 

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3 hours ago, kittyna said:

I think he was just too little (about two years old, I think) :) At that age, kids think that the point of Rock-Paper-Scissors is to imitate what their partner does rather than beat them :P You can see that that's what he's doing in the clip, and it's adorable.

Yeah, even before playing the game baby PJG was imitating what Kim Hee Seon was doing, they both are adorable, I think KHS enjoyed her time with him, since she has only daughter and no son, and must had brought back few memories with her daughter, when her daughter was around the age of baby PJG :relaxed:

3 hours ago, kittyna said:

At some point in the ten years since graduating from high school, Jin Gyeom and his mother move out of the old house

Or maybe, they settled in abroad. This could be a possibility too,that is, PSY knew that PJG had done a reset in which a version of PJG ceased to exist, so, she was feeling guilty that because of her a part of PJG version was erased along with MH and she decided to move out of the house as soon as she was able to find a new place .

 

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So, this is not related to Joo won's drama, but while I was going through your blog, I stumbled up on the "Evidence Room" article under Memorizing History. So, I was also surprised by the choice of the color, which is white, and white color mostly symbolizes peace and tranquility in most of the cultures. I must confess when first I read the only the heading "Evidence Room" without the context, I thought it was some kind of activity place in Seoul where tourist go to solve puzzle, but I was shocked to know that it is evidence room for Holocaust. Maybe it is because of the choice of the color which made it look like an room which as no serious historical event or for that matter a room which has evidence about one of the most heinous crime committed against a community. But, has I begin my virtual tour of the evidence room (which is not as good as watching in person), I started to understand why they choose the white color. Like, colors are often used by artists to express their view or message, in the case of Evidence Room, I think the creators of this project aim was to make the visitors think about the Holocaust rather than just enjoy it like an art and also it is like an response to the Holocaust deniers that there is no grey area or middle ground when it comes to the atrocities committed by Nazis. For instance, the statement of Trump on Charlottesville incident, like, he said they were "Very fine people on both the sides" which is a middle ground often taken by people who always defended or denied atrocities committed on vulnerable communities around the world.

 

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2 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Yeah, even before playing the game baby PJG was imitating what Kim Hee Seon was doing, they both are adorable, I think KHS enjoyed her time with him, since she has only daughter and no son, and must had brought back few memories with her daughter, when her daughter was around the age of baby PJG

 

Probably, yeah - I can also imagine Park Sun Young (the actual character) doing something similar with her son at that age. He probably would have responded, too, since his alexithymia wasn't really detectable until he started school and people started noticing that he wasn't like the other kids.

 

2 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

This could be a possibility too,that is, PSY knew that PJG had done a reset in which a version of PJG ceased to exist, so, she was feeling guilty that because of her a part of PJG version was erased along with MH and she decided to move out of the house as soon as she was able to find a new place .

 

Good point here as well. I hadn't thought about that, but I can see where you're going with it. I don't think Min Hyuk was erased, though - just relegated to his own parallel universe.

 

Speaking of Yoo Min Hyuk, though...dude, really??? If SBS really did do that, I'd laugh so hard :loolz:

 

Some more set pics

 

And just dropping this here for those who can't get enough of the OST:

 

 

 

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@kireeti2 - I did see your comment about the Evidence Room, but there isn't really much more to add beyond what I wrote in the original blog post. lol - I haven't posted there in years, though; I do think about starting it back up again periodically, but then real life gets busy and nothing comes of it.

 

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9 hours ago, kittyna said:

I don't think Min Hyuk was erased

No, I think everyone from Alice including MH got erased, just like PJG from 2020, like, the only reason why PSY was not erased because the reset happened after she died and same goes with Detective Go, I think the present Detective Go is from the present and not from the future. The only people who are aware of time travel are PSY and TY(2020), so I think PJG is the only person in the present universe and there is no parallel to PJG like the old version.

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8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

No, I think everyone from Alice including MH got erased, just like PJG from 2020

 

Well, that actually explains why you didn't think the ending was as vague or open as many other viewers I've seen, as what happened to Min Hyuk is one of the biggest questions people say was left unanswered.

 

Personally, I do think the parallel universes still exist, and here's why. It took me a while to realize that "Alice" wasn't actually in the 2050 parallel universe (where the time travelers came from), but was a base placed in our universe that could lead to it. And Oh Si Young says it explicitly: that the clients who pass through "Alice" think they're going back in time to see their past loved ones, but the staff know that what they're really seeing is their parallel selves and families in a universe where it is still 2020. I noticed during the reset that the entire complex got sucked up through the wormhole - which, I assume, meant that they wound up somewhere. So, in my opinion, "Alice" as the conduit between these two universes doesn't exist anymore, but both parallel universes (the one where it's 2050 and ours, which Jin Gyeom reset to 2010) still do.

 

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Actually, it crossed my mind randomly once that the 2050 parallel universe is ours - because clearly, the COVID-19 pandemic doesn't exist in the 2020 we see in the drama, so we're dealing with an alternate reality by default :P 

 

As for where Min Hyuk is in all of this, there are two main logical possibilities, neither of which will satisfy most fans, I'll admit:

1. He doesn't exist anymore after the reset, because the reset affects just our universe and not the parallel one, meaning that he died while "stuck in the past" as some might say.

2. He was brought back to life after the reset, but back in his original 2050 universe. However, that leaves the question of the 2050 version of Tae Yi: if she's with Min Hyuk, then she can't be Jin Gyeom's mother and vice-versa. So it all depends on whether you think that Park Sun Young is still Jin Gyeom's mother after the reset; if she is, we end up with a sad, lonely Min Hyuk. Which, I'll confess, probably no-one wants right now. :( 

 

Which is why some fans (myself included) have cast aside logic for a second and decided to imagine the possibility that a 2050 version of Tae Yi also exists alongside Min Hyuk. How it would come about is beyond me, but it's the closure and happy ending for him that I want, even if I know it's technically impossible ;) 

 

8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

the only reason why PSY was not erased because the reset happened after she died and same goes with Detective Go, I think the present Detective Go is from the present and not from the future.

 

For me, I think everyone who has a parallel version of themselves basically ends up with each version relegated back to their original sides. So the Detective Go we see after the reset is the original one who died in Episode 11. He survived the criminal's attack, somehow, and has made it all the way to 2020 without ever meeting Jin Gyeom - or (if he has) not in any significant way.

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1 hour ago, kittyna said:

Actually, it crossed my mind randomly once that the 2050 parallel universe is ours - because clearly, the COVID-19 pandemic doesn't exist in the 2020 we see in the drama, so we're dealing with an alternate reality by default

It did cross my mind that there was no sign or at least news of pandemic or for that matter no K-drama seem to be showing about on going pandemic in their story. It's like, whenever I see a K-drama episode right now it sort of takes me to a different timeline where there is no COVID-19

1 hour ago, kittyna said:

Which is why some fans (myself included) have cast aside logic for a second and decided to imagine the possibility that a 2050 version of Tae Yi also exists alongside Min Hyuk.

If this was possible writers would have shown it in the end. But after the reset there seem to be no sign of Alice or MH, so, I sort of presumed that Alice and MH are no more.

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Some of you may remember the MBTI portraits that I did last winter for several characters from JW's dramas (mostly ones I write about, but not always). For those who don't, here's a quick refresher on who's been featured so far:

 

Kim Tae Hyun (Note: as this was the first post in the series, it also includes a brief explanation of how MBTI works in general)

Hwang Tae Hui

Park Si On

Cha Yoo Jin, Seol Nae Il, and Lee Yoon Hoo

Gyun Woo and Princess Hye Myung

 

And this time around, it's Alice's turn ;) 

 

Whatever we may think about the story and writing, I think all of us as fans can agree that the drama gave us a solid cast of interesting three-dimensional lead characters to love. So I'll be splitting them up over two separate posts. This time, it'll be the guys.

 

(Why split it up like this instead of by first/second lead? You'll see. ;))

 

Park Jin Gyeom (Alice)

 

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Type: ISTP ("The Mechanic")

Breakdown: Introverted, Sensing, Thinking, Perceiving

 

(Note: This is about the good, pre-reset Jin Gyeom - i.e. the one we see for the vast majority of the show. You know, just in case anyone's wondering ;))

 

In terms of a dominant characteristic, I'd say that Jin Gyeom is dogged; he's quick to act and react, of course, given his high intelligence and his profession as a detective, but he stands out more due to his determination and perseverance. I mean, the guy literally tried four separate times to save his mother (in various forms), refusing to give up no matter how many times he failed along the way. And that's not even counting the numerous times he similarly puts himself out there for Yoon Tae Yi, Kim Do Yeon, etc.

 

Outside of a tight network of close friends and family, however, Jin Gyeom is something of a loner. Partially, this has to do with his disability: as someone with alexithymia, the odds are stacked against him when it comes to interacting and socializing with others in a meaningful way. And, unlike someone who develops the condition later in life, the fact that he was born with it means that he has no innate reference point to look back on. It's not so much that he doesn't feel emotion at all, but he has to put conscious effort into deciphering and understanding the emotions of both others and himself - so it's little wonder that he devotes that energy to just a small intimate group.

 

However, this is not to say that anything just goes in his interactions with others. Instead, much to the surprise of many who get to know him for the first time, Jin Gyeom is an extremely principled person: able to do right by others by adhering to the set of ethical standards taught to him by his mother, Do Yeon, and Captain Go's family over the years. In his job as a police detective, he'll go to hell and back to bring criminals to justice, simply because he believes that breaking the law is innately wrong. Similarly, In his interactions with women like Do Yeon, he's carefully conservative, unwilling to cross any physical or sexual boundaries that might compromise their honour.

 

Yet, despite these principles, Jin Gyeom is not someone who just sticks to the rulebook. Instead, he's got a strong stubborn/rebellious streak that, over the course of his life, has gotten him in trouble more than once. It's worth noting that even before any of the time travelers learn his true identity as Park Sun Young and Yoo Min Hyuk's son (or the child in the prophecy), they see the need to eliminate him simply as someone who has learned too much in his refusal to back down while pursuing time-traveling criminals.

 

He also, initially, has little patience for speculative theories or abstract philosophy. As far as he's concerned, Jin Gyeom would prefer for those around him to jump straight to the point, without any sentimentality or joking around. However, it's worth noting, then, who he does allow that sort of thing from: whether it's Do Yeon's cheerful banter and teasing, or Tae Yi's tendency to give the full version of whatever scientific principle she's bringing up in conversation.

 

And as with the son, so with the father....

 

Yoo Min Hyuk (Alice)

 

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Type: ISTJ ("The Duty-Fulfiller")

Breakdown: Introverted, Sensing, Thinking, Judging

 

For someone who spent most of his life having no idea who his father was, Jin Gyeom really does take strongly after him in terms of personality. ;) Yoo Min Hyuk has the same tendencies to throw himself into whatever tasks he's given, completing his missions as one of Alice's top agents with tight efficiency and just a bit of effortless flair. He's also one of the most principled out of all the characters in the drama; for example, even as he puts his all into safely escorting Yang Hong Seob (his murderous client) to Alice, he berates him for assaulting the police officer "who was just doing his job". Serving and protecting his clients for the sake of his mission is one thing; seeing innocent people harmed in the process is another.

 

It's also his strong principles that - it's implied - led Min Hyuk to join Alice in the first place. Unlike members like Yoon Tae Yi or Seok Oh Won (before his dark turn), there's little to suggest that Min Hyuk has a background in scientific research. Rather, his interest in time travel rests solely upon the potential benefits that it promises to his society: the ability for people to reunite (albeit temporarily) with deceased loved ones and to undo wrongs they have committed in the past. It's also his belief in this goal that fuels his unflinching loyalty to Alice - and also pushes him to turn against it when the dark reality becomes clear. Because for Min Hyuk , there are certain boundaries that must never be crossed.

 

This includes, unfortunately, the internal wall he has built up between his mind and his heart. Loyalty to their mission for Alice (finding the Book of Prophecy and bringing it back to their superiors) is the reason he outwardly gives for demanding that Tae Yi abort her pregnancy; but in his heart, it is actually a deep-seated fear that radiation exposure may have already caused irrevocable physical damage to the fetus, dooming his beloved child to a life of pain and suffering arguably worse than death.

 

The tragedy in all this is that Min Hyuk does love, and loves deeply; yet his own reluctance to open up about his true feelings to Tae Yi is what dooms his chances for a happy life. By the time he realizes the error of his reaction and he wants to make amends, she's already left him. 

 

So with his discovery about his son's survival beyond the odds, combined with his belief in Alice being shaken beyond repair, Min Hyuk's selfless sense of loyalty and devotion shifts: from protecting his clients to protecting his family. Where before, he would have done anything to protect Alice, now he will do anything to protect Jin Gyeom and those Jin Gyeom cares about. And with Min Hyuk, anything literally means anything. As I said before: as with the son, so with the father.

 

So that's it for these two guys - a father-son pair far more similar than they are different. :) The girls will come up in a future post, so stay tuned!

 

Note: you may notice that my guesses on these characters' MBTI types are starting to overlap (Jin Gyeom's being the same as Hwang Tae Hui's ; and Min Hyuk's the same as Cha Yoo Jin's). However, as each of the four main metrics are spectrums rather than either-or binaries, I hope you can see how being on slightly different parts of each scale can still give us distinct characters and personalities :) 

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10 hours ago, kittyna said:

women like Do Yeon and Tae Yi, he's carefully conservative, unwilling to cross any physical or sexual boundaries that might compromise their honour.

In Do Yeon's case I agree with your statement, but TY? He saw TY as his mother who died in his arms. So, I don't think he treats them in a way, like, in case of Do Yeon he treats her like an opposite sex or to put it plainly as a woman. In case of TY he treats her like mother, so he had no issue in hugging her or being himself around her, like I never saw him cry in presence of Do Yeon. And also, he had no issues in initiating physical contact with TY, but in case of Do Yeon, he is cautious and only gets physical when she was in danger. So, I wouldn't keep these two women in one section when it comes to PJG behavior towards them.

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Compromising Honor? I hope you meant in the context of looking down on them or treating them dumb just because they are women, and not in the context of Medieval nature of making a physical contact with a women or staying with a women late night is compromising their honor

 

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6 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

In Do Yeon's case I agree with your statement, but TY? He saw TY as his mother who died in his arms. So, I don't think he treats them in a way, like, in case of Do Yeon he treats her like an opposite sex or to put it plainly as a woman. In case of TY he treats her like mother, so he had no issue in hugging her or being himself around her, like I never saw him cry in presence of Do Yeon. And also, he had no issues in initiating physical contact with TY, but in case of Do Yeon, he is cautious and only gets physical when she was in danger. So, I wouldn't keep these two women in one section when it comes to PJG behavior towards them.

 

I meant in the episodes when Jin Gyeom and Tae Yi were both living in the same house - during the time when he wasn't entirely sure whether she was or wasn't his mother and when many viewers started seeing romance. He does show affection towards her, but I do think he was more cautious about the signals or messages he was sending during those episodes compared to before (which was when, as you pointed out, that association between Tae Yi and his mother was really strong in his mind).

 

I'll still go back and change it, though; as the original version of the post just mentioned Do Yeon. :) 

 

6 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Compromising Honor? I hope you meant in the context of looking down on them or treating them dumb just because they are women, and not in the context of Medieval nature of making a physical contact with a women or staying with a women late night is compromising their honor

 

No need to hide this, especially since it's addressed directly in the drama itself. Jin Gyeom might not think this himself, but he is aware that others do: Do Yeon's parents, Tae Yi's family, etc. So we see in Episode 1 that he's reluctant to have Do Yeon stay at his place for too long because of what her parents would think, and if it weren't for his desire to protect Tae Yi, he wouldn't have suggested his childhood home as her safehouse.

 

By the way, guys - Soompi's just released a Halloween poll about favourite villain actors and actresses. And there are some familiar names here that most JW fans will definitely recognize :naughty:

 

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lol - I could only answer for the guys, because the female characters mentioned...generally, I haven't seen the dramas involved. :P Looks like I'll be Googling tons of actresses to see what other roles they've played.

 

As for me, I'm still thinking about what interactive (if any) to do for Halloween this year. So stay tuned!

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25 minutes ago, kittyna said:

if it weren't for his desire to protect Tae Yi, he wouldn't have suggested his childhood home as her safehouse.

Well, I think he choose his childhood house for different reason. Like , in prior episodes we know that Kim Do Yeon was hurt in his apartment and he found blood outside his apartment. So, these incidence might have prompted PJG to choose his childhood house, since only handful of people know about it.

 

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21 minutes ago, kireeti2 said:

Well, I think he choose his childhood house for different reason. Like , in prior episodes we know that Kim Do Yeon was hurt in his apartment and he found blood outside his apartment. So, these incidence might have prompted PJG to choose his childhood house, since only handful of people know about it.

 

And now we're talking about the same thing, just in different words. ;)

 

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First things first: we now have Kim Hee Sun's interpretation of the relationship between Park Jin Gyeom and Yoon Tae Yi (2020) in Alice. So, in light of the "Word of God" principle in discussing creative works (i.e. that if the creator of that universe/character/etc. says something, that's the interpretation we go with), I hope this puts the confusion to rest ;) 

 

But, actually, I'm here with the MBTI portraits for the main female characters in Alice. Just a quick reminder that my takes on the guys (as well as a master list of previous MBTI-based posts), can be found here.

 

Note: for the purposes of this post, I am treating Yoon Tae Yi (2020) and Park Sun Young/Yoon Tae Yi (2050) as two separate characters; because even though they are technically the same person, their individual life experiences have created two distinct and very different personalities, both of which I want to feature. Which means that this time, there are three portraits for you to enjoy :) 

 

So, let's begin with our main female lead...

 

Yoon Tae Yi (Alice)

 

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Type: ENTP ("The Visionary")

Breakdown: Extroverted, Intuitive, Thinking, Perceiving

 

As a renowned physicist - and one that focuses on quantum mechanics at that - Yoon Tae Yi lives in a world of endless possibilities. When we first meet her, she is naturally inquisitive and passionate about her research interests: chasing the drone through the streets just to get a closer look at it, spending entire days and nights trying to make sense of the time card and its software. This same inner drive for knowledge and understanding is also what initially prompted her interest in the time travel: a concept that she knew to be theoretically possible, but that hadn't actually reached fruition yet at the time of her research in 2010.

 

However, unlike a pure intellectual, Tae Yi's not just interested in theory for theory's sake. Rather, her pursuit of knowledge is firmly rooted on the ground: she wanted to develop time travel in hopes it would help her rediscover her hidden past, and later in the drama, she predominantly uses her scientific knowledge to help and protect Jin Gyeom during their investigation. Since she is just as quick-thinking and resourceful as he is, the two end up being perfect partners who are frequently on the same wavelength despite their vastly different backgrounds. One particularly notable example of this is when Tae Yi uses her knowledge of the Ideal Gas Law to locate the hidden lab in Seok Oh Won's facility.

 

In terms of her interactions with others, Tae Yi is - in my opinion - an ambivert, albeit one who leans slightly more on the extroverted side of things. She enjoys socializing with others and also seems to enjoy teasing Jin Gyeom every now and then in classic "noona" fashion. In addition, unlike Jin Gyeom, Tae Yi works well in group settings: bouncing ideas with her colleagues at the university, Jin Gyeom and his team, and (eventually) Do Yeon. However, she does have a bottom line in terms of whom she's willing to work or interact with; she despises the nepotism and chauvinism she witnesses on a regular basis as a female scientist, and often works out the most puzzling questions she's dealt with on her own.

 

But out of all the different aspects of her personality, I think the one that stands out the most to me is her resilience. Despite experiencing a traumatic childhood and having her life threatened numerous times, she always manages to bounce back. Not only that, but she always comes away from each experience a little wiser than before, eager to apply her newfound knowledge towards coming up with a solution. And it's that continuous growth that ends up allowing Tae Yi to step in where her 2050 counterpart left off as Jin Gyeom's "mother".

 

Speaking of mothers, let's go there next.

 

Park Sun Young/Yoon Tae Yi (Alice)

 

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Type: ESFJ ("The Caregiver")

Breakdown: Extroverted, Sensing, Feeling, Judging

 

How did someone who started off with the same core evolve into two completely different people? For Park Sun Young, the biggest factor would be the fact that she has completely reinvented herself as Jin Gyeom's mother. Being a parent is tough enough; but being a single parent who is constantly on the lookout for potential threats from outside and inside the home is infinitely harder still.

 

When compared to her 2020 counterpart, Sun Young does appear to have a stronger nurturing instinct to begin with. Even before her own son is born, there is something really touching about her initial resolve to take in the young Tae Yi as her own - and it is her love for Tae Yi that ultimately causes her to put her up for adoption instead for the child's own safety.

 

She knows the prophecy, and she therefore knows the potential tragic consequences of raising little Tae Yi alongside Jin Gyeom. In terms of her own fate, however, Sun Young is more conflicted. On the one hand, she is determined to find a way out of the prophecy by pursuing a means to stop time travel and by raising Jin Gyeom to be as good a person as he could be under the circumstances so that he'd never seek to harm her or anyone else. Yet, on the other hand, when a solution does present itself - the reset - she is reluctant to actually follow through with it, knowing that it would lead to her son's death. While the ethics of her choice are debatable (by saving her son, she leaves him vulnerable to being turned to evil), it is, in her own mind, the only choice she could make as a mother.

 

All this means that Sun Young's life is an extremely lonely one. From her interactions with neighbours, it appears that she is a social and outgoing person at heart; however, there is no-one around her she could actually confide in. Her fellow neighbourhood ahjummas are out of the question, as only a handful are interested in befriending her (on account of Jin Gyeom's strange demeanour and her own public persona as an unwed mother), and even those who do (like the butcher) would never understand. Nor could she open up to the one person she wants to the most - her son - as her plan to circumvent the prophecy could only work if he remains ignorant about time travel.

 

However, for Park Sun Young, all the sacrifices she makes are worth it, as long as her son could one day grow up to be the "marvelous creation" who breaks the curse. And when her time does come and she sees that it is not the current Jin Gyeom standing in front of her, she is able to go in peace, finally reassured that this time around, her son has made it.

 

And now, for the girl who stepped up to be by Jin Gyeom's side in the years in between....

 

Kim Do Yeon (Alice)

 

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Type: ENFP ("The Inspirer")

Breakdown: Extroverted, Intuitive, Feeling, Perceiving

 

Clever, cheerful, and more than a bit sassy, Kim Do Yeon is Jin Gyeom's most loyal friend - and, more often than not, the only person who could keep him on his toes. Although she, like the rest of the students at their school, initially assumed the worst about him in the wake of her friend's suicide, once she discovers the truth, she pulls a complete 180: standing by his side and defending his goodness to everyone else, including to her own parents.

 

Because for Do Yeon, her biggest passion is to stand up for the underdog. In her job as a journalist, she is most interested in stories about social justice; and in Jin Gyeom, she finds a ready - albeit powerless - listener, who is content to let her vent to him whenever she needs to. 

 

After being friends with him for over ten years, Do Yeon is very much aware that her feelings for Jin Gyeom are one-sided: he sees her as his best friend, but sees no need to take their relationship any further. Not only that, but in Jin Gyeom's eyes, being his friend means that Do Yeon's one of the people he's most determined to protect, even if the best way to do so is to keep secrets from her or downplay their friendship in public (especially after she is attacked by Yang Hong Seob precisely because of her connection to him).

 

Yet, despite how frustrating his aloof behaviour gets at times, Do Yeon stays loyally by Jin Gyeom's side. She takes pride in being his main confidant, and steps in more often than not to offer the gestures of kindness towards Captain Go and his wife that Jin Gyeom wants to give but can't. And, as the drama's main case takes shape, Do Yeon is always ready to lend a helping hand - and the occasional coaching (or even scolding) when, in his blindness to the emotional needs of others, Jin Gyeom says or does the wrong thing. Again. :P 

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