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2 hours ago, kittyna said:

Shim Eun Kyung's acting when Nae Il's Cantabile didn't do well

This was exactly on my mind when  was writing about the topic, she got blamed fro not reason. Her depiction of Nae-il was flawless. It was sloppy editing and writers issues. I have seen the Japanese version also, both were similar except the ending part and in Japanese version Nae-il family got more screen time, perhaps doing the same thing in Korean version would have been a hit. Fun fact: Naeil in Japanese version played as cha yoon-seo of Japanese version good doctor.

It also amazes me that Joo won has Japan fan base also, we can say he is more popular in Japan than in south Korea, thanks to his Good Doctor drama. This despite starring in an anti-Japan drama, speaks volumes of his PR management.

2 hours ago, kittyna said:

anyone else: like, I really don't care if other celebrities commit crimes or get into scandals

Are you pointing at "Burning scandal"? I was really baffled that people were supporting them despite knowing that they have committed a crime, Sharing pictures of women online serious crime(because you cannot delete them once it goes online, it is forever online as long as internet exist), regardless of the profession of those women. I don't even want to take those criminals name, The language which he used in chatting room was just like a sexual predator, and people were upset, not because of scandal, but the shows in which those criminals were participating got cancelled, this was the first thing they can think about, not the safety of the young girls/women who'll be joining in film/drama industry:triumph:

 

2 hours ago, kittyna said:

Incidentally, one of the unexpected results of JW's wishes for his fans has been his relative underdog status as a Hallyu star. We see from the size of his fandom that, really, he could be up there if he wants to be. But what's happened is that his fans are generally more quiet online in things like popularity polls/surveys, chat forums, etc. And so the news media, merchandise manufacturers/retailers, etc. tend not to notice him

I think that underdog status is blessing in disguise, because the more fans base he has the more possibility of toxic fans. Even his break-up was smooth in media is because of less fan base, nevertheless, I do want his dramas to succeed and win lot of awards.

 

2 hours ago, kittyna said:

JW made it clear really early in his career that he wouldn't tolerate toxicity or rivalries among his fans. He encourages his fans to be kind to each other, but also (and this can be the real challenge in Korea) to other celebrities and their fans.

I didn't know that, I am recent fan of Joo won, like I was introduced into Kdrama world last October courtesy Good Doctor. But I am glad joo won made it clear. :grin:

 

2 hours ago, kittyna said:

I don't know what his team was up to...but what???

I think they were trying to cool him down, joo won is really sensitive to heat, you can see it in "Fatal Intuition" movie BTS. His team really adores him and he also loves them very much, because those are only people with which he spends his time a lot. But I do wish he would find his soulmate or at least partner with which he can stay for rest of his, and want to see him in "The return of superman" variety show with his kids(I am rooting for him to have daughters:D)

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7 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

This was exactly on my mind when  was writing about the topic, she got blamed fro not reason. Her depiction of Nae-il was flawless. It was sloppy editing and writers issues. I have seen the Japanese version also, both were similar except the ending part and in Japanese version Nae-il family got more screen time, perhaps doing the same thing in Korean version would have been a hit.

 

Yeah, adding more about Nae Il's family would have been fun - even if just showing phone conversations or things like that. From what little we see, her mom sounds like just as much of a fun character as Yoo Jin's mom is, and their way of messing with Yoo Jin during that brief visit was hilarious.  (Yes, Yoo Jin is my favourite out of all of JW's characters to tease, which you might have figured out from my fics already - sorry not sorry :P)

 

As for Shim Eun Kyung's acting, I think she did fine with what she was given. Any flaws in her portrayal, I took to be flaws in Nae Il's character - but that's also what was fun about it. Nae Il isn't perfect: she is that "extra" and over-the-top and she is the sort of character who means well, but ends up unintentionally selfish as a result (i.e. she focuses so much on what she wants in a friendship or a romantic relationship that she's slow to sense what other people might actually want or need). So I can see why some viewers were put off by Nae Il as a character - but pinning that solely on Shim Eun Kyung as an actress isn't entirely fair.

 

7 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

It also amazes me that Joo won has Japan fan base also, we can say he is more popular in Japan than in south Korea, thanks to his Good Doctor drama. This despite starring in an anti-Japan drama, speaks volumes of his PR management.

 

Actually, JW has a huge fan base in Korea, too. I don't know exact numbers or anything, but that's at least partially reflected in his "Prince of Ratings" reputation: since ratings are compiled by observing Korean audiences, it's telling that he tends to do really well there. For example, back in 2015, there was this article listing JW as one of the top Korean actors in his peer group - not for international/Hallyu popularity, but for how well-received he was back home. (The comments section of that article is a riot, though - you'll want to take it with a grain of salt, even the ones praising JW)

 

Which is why, say, finding information about JW in English-language Hallyu news sites or finding JW-themed merchandise in Seoul (trust me: I tried) is tough. Those are things that appeal to international fans, and JW's always been a bit of the underdog there - but what he has instead is a very loyal domestic/Korean following, among guys and girls alike (even more so now with how well he did during his enlistment).

 

In regards to Japan more specifically, with the exception of Gaksital (which does, interestingly enough, still have its Japanese fans, too - they like his acting range), most of JW's dramas have really taken off. It started with King of Baking, Kim Tak Gu (such that when it was released in Japan, JW and Yoon Si Yoon did a whole promo trip there), and continued with Level 7 Civil Servant (for which he hosted a fanmeeting in Tokyo), Good Doctor, and so on.

 

7 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Are you pointing at "Burning scandal"? I was really baffled that people were supporting them despite knowing that they have committed a crime,

 

Not just Burning Sun, but others as well. I've been watching K-dramas since 2015, so I've seen my fair share of these scandals, court cases, etc. centred around drug offenses, sexual harassment/assault, prostitution, people just being general jerks online...you get the idea. I don't like it - I started off with Hallyu in hopes that I could get away from all that stuff, since it's so prevalent in Western entertainment industry circles - but, well, Korean celebrities are still human, with all the vices that could bring.

 

7 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

people were upset, not because of scandal, but the shows in which those criminals were participating got cancelled, this was the first thing they can think about, not the safety of the young girls/women who'll be joining in film/drama industry:triumph:

 

To be fair, I can understand the frustration about show cancellations to some extent, because cancelling a show doesn't just penalize the cast/crew member who committed the offense, but everybody else who was involved with it as well. So, say, 1N2D was one of the casualties of the Burning Sun scandal specifically - and while you could say that's fair consequences for the cast member who did wrong, what about those who were innocent? So as far as that's concerned, I can understand.

 

K-entertainment scandals can get really crazy really fast, and it's happened before that fans and anti-fans alike get really vindictive and start pointing fingers everywhere. Celebrities who do wrong are implicated, of course, but so are their friends and associates - e.g. again with Burning Sun, before the full list of the celebrities involved was released, netizens were speculating about a whole ton of other celebrities (who turned out to be innocent) simply because they were friends with one person in that group. It was nuts, and comment sections of articles got really toxic (like, people tried to cover things up by using initials rather than names, but imagine, hypothetically, someone saying, "So-and-so took those pictures and shared them with his friend - and you know who hangs out with him a lot? JW.")

 

Not that anyone implicated JW in this process; I'm just using his initials as an example of what it'd feel like to read comments like this before anything's been confirmed by law enforcement ;) 

 

So on top of being offended - and rightfully so - at those who do wrong, we also need to be careful not to punish either the victims (whose names also apparently got leaked online - like, ew) and innocents who just happened to know the perpetrators. And I will admit to feeling genuinely anxious if someone who has some connection with JW gets into a scandal - because this sort of thing really does happen.

 

7 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I think they were trying to cool him down, joo won is really sensitive to heat, you can see it in "Fatal Intuition" movie BTS.

 

I see - thanks for the heads-up. I didn't know that :) 

 

7 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

But I do wish he would find his soulmate or at least partner with which he can stay for rest of his, and want to see him in "The return of superman" variety show with his kids(I am rooting for him to have daughters:D)

 

Aw...that'd be cute. Sometimes I hope that JW could appear on a show like Return of Superman as a one-time guest, but it hasn't happened yet.

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So I said that I would put together an interactive for Mother's Day this weekend (since the fic's not finished yet). Well, I hope you guys aren't sick of this format yet, because it's another round of Scattergories.

 

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For those who prefer the tournament-style polls instead, don't worry - there will be one coming in the future. It's just not the sort of thing I can run with just a couple of days' notice ;) 

 

Since this is in celebration of Mother's Day, the questions are all going to be somewhat related to that theme:

 

Spoiler

Scattergories - Mother's Day Edition

 

Quick rundown of the rules:

  • Read the prompts carefully: questions might be about the JW drama girl (i.e. the female lead), the JW drama mom (i.e. the mother of JW's character), or both! (I'll put those words in bold to make it easier)
  • Don't overthink this - just go with your gut response
  • You are allowed to repeat or leave out any characters of your choice
  • You are invited to provide reasons or further explanation for any of these, but just the names or a description (e.g. "so-and-so's mom" - since not all of them are actually named) is fine

So here goes - enjoy!

 

1. My favourite JW drama mom

2. My least favourite JW drama mom

3. My favourite mother-son relationship in a JW drama

4. The JW drama mom nobody should mess with

5. The JW drama girl who I'd most want to see as a mom

6. The JW drama mom(s) who's the most like mine

7. The JW drama mom who I'd want to become friends with (note: just friends - you don't have to want to be her kid)

8. My favourite "mother-in-law"/"daughter-in-law" relationship (i.e. your favourite relationship between a JW drama girl AND a JW drama mom)

 

That's it for now - enjoy and Happy Mother's Day!

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8 hours ago, kittyna said:

To be fair, I can understand the frustration about show cancellations to some extent, because cancelling a show doesn't just penalize the cast/crew member who committed the offense, but everybody else who was involved with it as well. So, say, 1N2D was one of the casualties of the Burning Sun scandal specifically - and while you could say that's fair consequences for the cast member who did wrong, what about those who were innocent? So as far as that's concerned, I can understand.

 

K-entertainment scandals can get really crazy really fast, and it's happened before that fans and anti-fans alike get really vindictive and start pointing fingers everywhere. Celebrities who do wrong are implicated, of course, but so are their friends and associates - e.g. again with Burning Sun, before the full list of the celebrities involved was released, netizens were speculating about a whole ton of other celebrities (who turned out to be innocent) simply because they were friends with one person in that group. It was nuts, and comment sections of articles got really toxic (like, people tried to cover things up by using initials rather than names, but imagine, hypothetically, someone saying, "So-and-so took those pictures and shared them with his friend - and you know who hangs out with him a lot? JW.")

 

Not that anyone implicated JW in this process; I'm just using his initials as an example of what it'd feel like to read comments like this before anything's been confirmed by law enforcement ;) 

 

So on top of being offended - and rightfully so - at those who do wrong, we also need to be careful not to punish either the victims (whose names also apparently got leaked online - like, ew) and innocents who just happened to know the perpetrators. And I will admit to feeling genuinely anxious if someone who has some connection with JW gets into a scandal - because this sort of thing really does happen.

I totally agree with you, that cancellation of show would be unfair to crew and members who had nothing do with the scandal. But the the management is prepared to handle such kind of unforeseen disaster, and scandal is no less than disaster. Cancellation of as show is pretty common in Korean entertainment industry, especially in variety show. They were instances in which show was cancelled because of low ratings, so, I strongly, believe 1D2N show cancellation did not affect the crew members, as they are used to it. I would also like to point that, during the scandal investigation, it was found that other 2 show members were involved in illegal gamble, that was the also an reason for show cancellation

 

I would also agree to your point, where celebrities are crucified just for being acquaintance with an accused(Ex: Moon Chae-won account was hacked just for liking the Jung joon-young photo on instagram). I know that I am being biased by making this claim, but I strongly believe that there is zero chances of JW getting to a scandal, especially in cases like DUI or sexual harassment cases. Because if we go by what JW said in talk shows, he really cannot drink and kind of has a conservative mind set:D

8 hours ago, kittyna said:

So on top of being offended - and rightfully so - at those who do wrong, we also need to be careful not to punish either the victims (whose names also apparently got leaked online - like, ew) and innocents who just happened to know the perpetrators

It almost felt like I was reading a supreme court judgement:tounge_xd:

 

 

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3 hours ago, kittyna said:

1. My favourite JW drama mom

I had a hard time choosing between Seo In-sook and Park Bok-ja, and I finally chose  Park Bk-ja, although both love is unconditional, but Seo In-sook love is kind of obsession, in other words toxic.

3 hours ago, kittyna said:

2. My least favourite JW drama mom

None for me, they all are my favourite

3 hours ago, kittyna said:

3. My favourite mother-son relationship in a JW drama

Yang sun Young and Cha Yoo-jin

3 hours ago, kittyna said:

4. The JW drama mom nobody should mess with

Seo In-sook, like you have to ask :lol:

3 hours ago, kittyna said:

5. The JW drama girl who I'd most want to see as a mom

Cha Yoo-seon

3 hours ago, kittyna said:

6. The JW drama mom(s) who's the most like mine

They all have some similarities with my mom, but the closest one is Yang Sun-young

4 hours ago, kittyna said:

7. The JW drama mom who I'd want to become friends with (

Park Bok-ja, since I am also interested in farming too

4 hours ago, kittyna said:

8. My favourite "mother-in-law"/"daughter-in-law" relationship

Park Bok-ja and Baek Ja-eun

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15 hours ago, kittyna said:

For example, back in 2015, there was this article listing JW as one of the top Korean actors in his peer group - not for international/Hallyu popularity,

Lol!!!!! Comment was  hilarious to read, but most them agree that JW acting is better than those 3 actors. Others got edge due to the looks and the looks will fade away with time but acting is only going to improve with time :)

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8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Cancellation of as show is pretty common in Korean entertainment industry, especially in variety show. They were instances in which show was cancelled because of low ratings, so, I strongly, believe 1D2N show cancellation did not affect the crew members, as they are used to it. I would also like to point that, during the scandal investigation, it was found that other 2 show members were involved in illegal gamble, that was the also an reason for show cancellation

 

I know - but that's 3 out of 6 cast members, so I think a lot of the disappointment and frustration from fans was on behalf of the other three. You're right that cancellations happen for less catastrophic reasons as well, but what I'm saying is that as a fan or viewer, it's natural to be upset at first; I saw a lot of frustrated comments directed at the cast members who did commit crimes, where fans complained about them ruining it for everyone else.

 

However, from your original comment, it sounds like you also saw people who were upset because they still loyally clung to the ones who did wrong and were upset at the consequences they faced. And that does surprise me.

 

8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

It almost felt like I was reading a supreme court judgement:tounge_xd:

 

lol - That's what happens when I'm trying to speak in generalities without saying any names :P  Mentally, I'm trying to cover as many different sides and bases as possible, and that's what comes out.

 

1 hour ago, kireeti2 said:

Lol!!!!! Comment was  hilarious to read, but most them agree that JW acting is better than those 3 actors. Others got edge due to the looks and the looks will fade away with time but acting is only going to improve with time :)

 

Having watched stuff from all four actors mentioned (for those who didn't read the article: JW, Lee Min Ho, Kim Soo Hyun, and Lee Jong Suk), I will say that I personally enjoy watching JW, Kim Soo Hyun and Lee Jong Suk a good deal. ;) In terms of acting ability, they each have their distinct strengths and weaknesses, such that I can't imagine, say, JW playing Do Min Joon or Lee Jong Suk playing Park Si On, or anything else like that. They're all perfectly cast for their roles, from what I've seen so far.

 

That said, while I can't speak for the others, I do think some of the critiques people gave about JW's acting are fair. The biggest one seems to be a tendency to over-act or exaggerate, and I agree with those who think this might be due to the fact that JW started in theatre. Stage actors are highly desired by TV and film casting directors due to their range, full-body acting, etc., but the trade-off is that they will tend to act "big" in emotive scenes. People talked about JW's crying scenes here, but I also think you can see it in his comedy, how he uses his voice, etc.

 

As for the one comment about him "looking clueless", I kinda feel like they only watched Good Doctor, but I'm not sure. :P It's like what I'd said before about how people who only watched JW on 1N2D and not his other interviews/variety show appearances would have a hard time visualizing him as a mature adult (since he's so much the cute maknae there that he doesn't really show his other sides).

 

And since I personally have a rather packed Mother's Day, I'll just do my Scattergories response here as well:

 

1. My favourite JW drama mom - Park Bok Ja (i.e. Tae Hui's mom)

 

I just love how she's always there for her kids and for her family as a whole - her biggest flaw is that she's strongly biased towards her own to the point where it clouds her moral judgment. But knowing that her heart is in the right place, more or less, I think it's really sweet watching her with each of her sons.

 

2. My least favourite JW drama mom - Gyun Woo's mom (don't know her name)

 

While she is a fun character to watch - and some of her portrayal is deliberated exaggerated for the laughs - what I didn't like was how much she and her husband were on different wavelengths throughout much of the show. To put it simply: Gyun Woo's father wants to discipline him, while his mom wants to spoil him. That leads to them giving conflicting messages to their kids (e.g. Gyun Woo's dad telling him not to drink/party while his mother encourages him to get out there and socialize), and you can see clearly how the kids have to pick and choose whose instructions to follow when - and I think a lot of the familial conflict you see in the show could have been avoided if the parents came to some sort of common ground first.

 

3. My favourite mother-son relationship in a JW drama - Park Bok Ja and Hwang Tae Hui

 

She really cares for him a great deal (even if his grandmother is more overt about it), and one of the scenes in the drama that makes me cry every single time is the one where she reassures and comforts him after the death of his biological mother. She's always wanted to take him into her heart, but he's the one who's been holding back all this time. :tears:

 

4. The JW drama mom nobody should mess with - Seo In Sook

 

She's, like, your perfect Mama Bear: in her eyes, nothing matters more than her son, so you'd better not get on Ma Jun's bad side. :P To be honest, on a personal level, she's not capable of doing much beyond verbal abuse (most of the shadier stuff is from Ma Jun's father), but even those tongue-lashings would be really hard to withstand if you were on their receiving end. I think only people as stubborn as Shin Yu Kyung or Ma Jun himself could do that.

 

5. The JW drama girl who I'd most want to see as a mom - Han Yeo Jin OR Princess Hye Myung

 

I think both of these girls are the ones who look like they won't be good with kids, but will actually be great at it. Yeo Jin saves her warmer or softer side for when she's at home, and I think that she'd be a firm but loving mom. However, as a caveat, I personally think that with all her medical issues, she would have a hard time actually having kids - conceiving and carrying a pregnancy to term. That said, though, if she were to succeed (or if she and Kim Tae Hyun were to adopt kids instead), I think she'd be a great mom.

 

As for Hye Myung, we already see how she is with her little brother, so I think that already says a lot. I think she'd be a very capable hands-on sort of mother, and both she and Gyun Woo would work together to make sure all their kids turn out to be good people.

 

6. The JW drama mom(s) who's the most like mine - Lee Kang To's mom

 

For me here, it's the fact that she's trying so hard to bring her son back on the right path but still loves him unconditionally regardless of his choices. I think it's worth noting that it's overhearing her praying for him that starts making Kang To's heart waver - more so than the way she scolds him. As for my own mom, she won't hold back when I've done something wrong - but in her heart, she's just waiting for me to repent.

 

7. The JW drama mom who I'd want to become friends with (note: just friends - you don't have to want to be her kid) - Yang Sun Young

 

She's just a riot :D I think it'd be fun to get to know her as a peer or an equal, but I can also see how Yoo Jin isn't always sure just what to make of her. :P She's the sort of mom who wants to be her kid's best friend, and I think that confuses Yoo Jin sometimes.

 

8. My favourite "mother-in-law"/"daughter-in-law" relationship (i.e. your favourite relationship between a JW drama girl AND a JW drama mom) - Cha Yoon Seo and Park Si On's mom

 

To be fair, this was hard to choose - I really liked a number of these relationships. But I'm going with this one because I love how Cha Yoon Seo was able to act as the go-between while Park Si On was still wrestling with his feelings towards his mom: her patience with him and her unconditional concern for his mom was what helped them reconcile with each other :) 

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1 hour ago, kittyna said:

she's not capable of doing much beyond verbal abuse

What do you mean no capable beyond verbal abuse? She could win a slapping contest for Gu Ma jun, if there was one. I think she must have slapped little kim ta goo/Shin Yoo-kyung/Kim Mi-sun like 10-15 times on screen.

 

Finally!! Joo won accepted the challenge, I was relieved and delighted at same.

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55 minutes ago, kireeti2 said:

What do you mean no capable beyond verbal abuse? She could win a slapping contest for Gu Ma jun, if there was one. I think she must have slapped little kim ta goo/Shin Yoo-kyung/Kim Mi-sun like 10-15 times on screen.

 

Oh, right...I guess my memory is fuzzy :sweat_smile: I think that somehow, in my head, I took the comments she'd make in addition to the slaps as being worse than the slaps themselves (hence by "beyond verbal abuse" I was thinking of those elaborate life/career-ruining schemes) but you got me there.

 

But now I'm genuinely curious: how did Seo In Sook end up one of your favourites? She's actually one of my least (mostly because I see her love for Ma Jun as a selfish love), but...yeah. Just wondering. :) 

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1 hour ago, kittyna said:

Seo In Sook end up one of your favourites?

Maybe its because of the actress (Jeo In-hwa), she is total different person off-screen, I mean she like nice to her juniors and fun senior to hang-out with. On top of that in the series  it was not her fault that she has turned into a nasty person, there were several variables in play, like the affair of her husband,her pressure to have a male heir(which is not in her control and biologically it depends on men to produce a male child)

 

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11 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

On top of that in the series  it was not her fault that she has turned into a nasty person, there were several variables in play, like the affair of her husband,her pressure to have a male heir(which is not in her control and biologically it depends on men to produce a male child)

 

Yeah, I can't say I understand that, either. Given the cultural context, I can see why the Gu family would prefer sons over daughters, but I really don't get why everyone used to pin all the responsibility for a baby's gender on the mother. Like, even if they didn't have the scientific knowledge to know otherwise...shouldn't that be more realistically attributed to chance? Or the will of the gods? Or something?

 

So I do see how Seo In Sook's actions are driven more by desperation than anything else - and since she resorted to unscrupulous means to have a son, she's going to fight to the death to make sure he actually gets to inherit. The one thing she hadn't banked on was that her son would turn out to be just as much of a rebel as she was ;) 

 

11 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Maybe its because of the actress (Jeo In-hwa), she is total different person off-screen, I mean she like nice to her juniors and fun senior to hang-out with.

 

Oh, yeah - Jeon In Hwa is great as an actress. I've only watched her twice, to be honest (in King of Baking, Kim Tak Gu and Feast of the Gods) and both times, she was awesome in her portrayal of the drama mom :) Her character in Feast of the Gods is a way better mom, though, in my opinion ;) 

 

And I've also watched some of the interviews she did for Kim Tak Gu, so I am aware of how well she gets along with her hoobaes - especially since she and JW really took a strong liking to each other.  :) 

 

By the way, looking back at your Scattergories responses, @kireeti2, I noticed that you'd like to see Cha Yoon Seo as a mother - may I ask what you think she'd be like with her kid(s)?

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1 hour ago, kittyna said:

The one thing she hadn't banked on was that her son would turn out to be just as much of a rebel as she was ;) 

True that, and also scientifically babies inherit 51% of genes from their moms. :P

1 hour ago, kittyna said:

Oh, yeah - Jeon In Hwa is great as an actress

And also youthful forever, I can't believe she 54 yrs old, she looks very young for her age:love:

1 hour ago, kittyna said:

By the way, looking back at your Scattergories responses, @kireeti2, I noticed that you'd like to see Cha Yoon Seo as a mother - may I ask what you think she'd be like with her kid(s)?

In the series you can notice that she struggles to draw a line with her patients, and sometimes losses objectivity. It is not only because she is a passionate doctor but also her unconditional love for children. In the article I read that her character wanted to become an kindergarten teacher but ended up becoming a pediatrician because of her mom's pressure. Nevertheless, she even showed more unconditional love towards her patients than most of the moms in the series. Especially, the way she handled si-on with lot of patience and understanding. So, from above observations I think she would make excellent mom, not only the who'll be caring, but also fun type and also reprimands when her child commits a mistake:smiley:. I personally feel her kids would enjoy their time with her and also she'll in position to explain si-on conditions to her kids if ever they feel like their father doesn't look normal when they compare him with others :smile:

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8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

In the article I read that her character wanted to become an kindergarten teacher but ended up becoming a pediatrician because of her mom's pressure.

 

Oh - I didn't know that. I can imagine how that particular conversation went down :P 

 

8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Nevertheless, she even showed more unconditional love towards her patients than most of the moms in the series. Especially, the way she handled si-on with lot of patience and understanding. So, from above observations I think she would make excellent mom, not only the who'll be caring, but also fun type and also reprimands when her child commits a mistake:smiley:. I personally feel her kids would enjoy their time with her and also she'll in position to explain si-on conditions to her kids if ever they feel like their father doesn't look normal when they compare him with others :smile:

 

I think raising awareness about autism would be a mutual task - Si On's more than capable of speaking for himself in that context - but now I'm imagining a bunch of kids who are really knowledgeable about the subject and also very vocal advocates (like their mom) for accessibility for those with disabilities. Maybe they'd end up like the next-generation version of Si On's hyung, fighting to defend vulnerable classmates from bullies. :) (And then, if they get in trouble for fighting for that reason, the bullies' parents would have a very angry Cha Yoon Seo to deal with :P)

 

By the way, about JW's participation in the Gratitude Challenge (or whatever you wish to call it), I noticed something about his pic that's different from a lot of others.

 

Can you guys see it? (Hint: in this collage, JW's not the only one with this particular quirk, but put together, they do form the minority.)

 

 

So what did I see?

 

Spoiler

Answer: look at his thumb. He's angled it in such a way that rather than the typical like/thumbs-up sign, it ends up looking like he's pointing at the viewer. So, a frontal angle rather than side one, with the tip of the thumb bent downwards (rather than held straight up or curved slightly back) so there's just enough of a shadow to look like a pointing finger.

 

Mind you, he may not have done it like this deliberately - sometimes things just happen by chance and we as fans end up reading too much into them - but I like to think that beyond challenging the two celebrities he tagged, he's also inviting his fans to join in as well. Or, if nothing else, to continue practicing the proper health/safety precautions with a thankful heart towards frontline workers :) 

 

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2 hours ago, kittyna said:

the bullies' parents would have a very angry Cha Yoon Seo to deal with

She looks terrifying when she is upset, especially in cases like bullying:P

2 hours ago, kittyna said:

if nothing else, to continue practicing the proper health/safety precautions with a thankful heart towards frontline workers :) 

He did reiterate the his advice on wearing mask, using sanitizer, washing hands for 20 secs and follow physical distance in his statement:)

And also a fun coincidence

BOA uploaded this on the same day:sweat_smile: Matching color outfit, almost like couple outfit:blush:(I know her universe doesn't revolve around our Joo won, she is  k-pop queen in her own right,but still, I am rooting for them to get back together:bawling:)

 

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I would like to take an initiative of predicting story line of upcoming drama of Joo won's  Alice

Here is my theory :

I think the trailer is misleading us by showing Kim Hee- sun as joo won's mom, I think there is much more to read into it.

So, I guess joo won might be having a crush on kim hee-sun in past who is a time traveler and had a son who dies abruptly, there might be a case of kim hee-sun being betrayed by her fellow time travelers and she might have lost her in time traveling trying to escape antagonist and ended up in a time loop.

And whole Alice hotel, where time travelers stay is like a place where they would like to change the outcome of a situation int their favor(might be controlled by some chaebol)  by altering situations in the past either by killing someone or misleading someone. In this process I think Joo won might lose his family and will be cold-hearted person with no feelings.

Setting aside this common story line, if the drama fails to show the subaltern approach then it would be another low rating drama for joo won :cold_sweat:and ending should preferably open-ended or a case where both the leads might not be able to see each other ever again. :sweat_smile:

My theory is open for amendments and improvements :smile:

 

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18 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

And whole Alice hotel, where time travelers stay is like a place where they would like to change the outcome of a situation int their favor(might be controlled by some chaebol)  by altering situations in the past either by killing someone or misleading someone. In this process I think Joo won might lose his family and will be cold-hearted person with no feelings.

 

While I still prefer the idea of Kim Hee Sun and JW's characters being mother and son (simply because that's different from the norm for the two leads in a drama), I do think this aspect of how the Alice hotel works is quite likely. We know that JW's character is a detective who is investigating crimes linked to time travel, so...yeah :) 

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9 minutes ago, kittyna said:

While I still prefer the idea of Kim Hee Sun and JW's characters being mother and son

Practically speaking, age gap is not that big between the leads, and frankly speaking kim hee-sun doesn't look like a mom in teaser :love:.But we'll never know, they might just run with the teaser story line:sweat_smile:

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1 hour ago, kireeti2 said:

Practically speaking, age gap is not that big between the leads, and frankly speaking kim hee-sun doesn't look like a mom in teaser :love:.But we'll never know, they might just run with the teaser story line:sweat_smile:

 

Yeah. With time travel being the main concept, I think anything's possible re: the characters' ages. But even if it's the more conventional "reunited lovers" storyline, I think this will still be interesting to watch.

 

By the way, not entirely related to JW (since he's not the drinking/partying sort, thank goodness), but am I the only one who's genuinely confused by the recent spike in COVID-19 cases in Seoul? Like, who would honestly think going out to the bars/nightclubs would be a good idea at a time like this - not even that, but who would think that reopening them was a good idea in the first place? I know that things are different in Korea compared to many other countries around the world, so maybe they've never fully closed down bars/restaurants/etc. or already reopened them a while ago. And in that case, it's understandable. But if nightclubs was actually one of the first things policy makers decided could be reopened in a phased return to normal...like, what? In what universe does that make sense during a pandemic - even one that's winding down?

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1 hour ago, kittyna said:

since he's not the drinking/partying sort, thank goodness

LOL, Amen to that!! :tounge_xd: I don't know why I laughed so hard to this sentence and it's not even a joke,maybe because it almost felt like a mom is bragging about her son's teetotaler image with her friends. But yeah, I think it is plus for Joo won that he is not a sort of person who'll go to clubs and party like anything, partly due to the fact that he can't drink well and also due to his shoots

1 hour ago, kittyna said:

By the way, not entirely related to JW (since he's not the drinking/partying sort, thank goodness), but am I the only one who's genuinely confused by the recent spike in COVID-19 cases in Seoul? Like, who would honestly think going out to the bars/nightclubs would be a good idea at a time like this - not even that, but who would think that reopening them was a good idea in the first place? I know that things are different in Korea compared to many other countries around the world, so maybe they've never fully closed down bars/restaurants/etc. or already reopened them a while ago. And in that case, it's understandable. But if nightclubs was actually one of the first things policy makers decided could be reopened in a phased return to normal...like, what? In what universe does that make sense during a pandemic - even one that's winding down?

I think the spike came from ITAEWON area, not the entire Seoul, Seoul is most probably second order of infection. But it was inevitable, Since most of the revenue for the Seoul local government comes from Bar/Restaurants, so the local authority gave permission to open them with strict implementation of Physical distancing and temperature check, but they forgot about Asymptomatic cases i.e a person can infect others even if he is not showing any signs of covid19 infection even though he is infected with the virus. But still people should have been more careful, it's not like that they were under complete lock-down like other countries, I think  the present rise of the cases is due to patient who had recently returned to Korea. This might even give rise to more cases than predicted, because typically a club goer visits like 4 to 5 clubs and 2-3 restaurants in a go:cry:. Anyway, I am hoping it will not  snow ball into spike of cases like it did in other countries and Korean authorities and citizens have a good understanding when it comes to fighting such kind of infectious disease , they have literally dealt with 3 out of 7 types of corona viruses, Covid19 being third and MERS-CoV, SARS-CoV are the other two viruses which they have dealt with. So, we can say that they have lot of experience in dealing with all sorts of epidemics and pandemics:smiley:. On top of that they have universal health system which also helps in curbing the virus spread :smile:

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1 hour ago, kireeti2 said:

LOL, Amen to that!! :tounge_xd: I don't know why I laughed so hard to this sentence and it's not even a joke,maybe because it almost felt like a mom is bragging about her son's teetotaler image with her friends.

 

lol - That's because I am that proud of him for it, just as a fan rather than a mom :P 

 

The fact that JW can't (and consequently won't) drink has saved me a lot of anxiety over the years - since I know that most of the scandals I read about probably won't affect him. Like what happened with Burning Sun, for instance: it's already despicable for guys to do stuff like that when they're drunk and their judgment is impaired (which those guys were), but I think you'd have to be really messed up in order to do that sober.  And since JW's clearly not a psychopath (as evidenced by the fact that he does have empathy for others and is capable of feeling guilt for his actions), that means he most likely wouldn't get into that sort of trouble. Other sorts of trouble, maybe, since JW does have his vices, but not this.

 

1 hour ago, kireeti2 said:

But yeah, I think it is plus for Joo won that he is not a sort of person who'll go to clubs and party like anything, partly due to the fact that he can't drink well and also due to his shoots

 

He did mention on Win Win that he went to a club once when he was younger, but mostly just to hone his dancing skills. But in that same interview, he did admit that his first time drinking was when he was still underage - due to peer pressure from sunbaes when he was in high school - but that he 1) hated the taste and couldn't see what all the fuss was about, and 2) passed out after just one sip. And since that's how he learned he had such a low tolerance for alcohol in the first place, I can forgive that one indiscretion easily enough :).

 

1 hour ago, kireeti2 said:

I think the spike came from ITAEWON area, not the entire Seoul, Seoul is most probably second order of infection. But it was inevitable, Since most of the revenue for the Seoul local government comes from Bar/Restaurants, so the local authority gave permission to open them with strict implementation of Physical distancing and temperature check, but they forgot about Asymptomatic cases i.e a person can infect others even if he is not showing any signs of covid19 infection even though he is infected with the virus. But still people should have been more careful, it's not like that they were under complete lock-down like other countries, I think  the present rise of the cases is due to patient who had recently returned to Korea. This might even give rise to more cases than predicted, because typically a club goer visits like 4 to 5 clubs and 2-3 restaurants in a go:cry:.

 

Yeah, I know it was mostly in Itaewon, and a number of the cases seem to have stemmed from one person going to multiple places. I think that Korea will need to take a hard look at its social/group-oriented culture after this is over, since two major spikes in cases (the first one in Daegu and this one in Seoul) could be directly traced back to individuals who failed to maintain physical distancing for reasons that would be legitimate and okay outside of a pandemic situation: e.g. going to church, going out with friends/colleagues, etc.

 

Personally, I think that even as someone who's feeling healthy, going out to a bar (or multiple bars) right now wouldn't be wise, period - even if I'm not worried about being an asymptomatic carrier, I'd be worried about the large crowds and the possibility of catching COVID-19 from someone else. But what's done is done - here's just hoping that this new burst is contained.

 

Anyway, all this talk earlier about mothers and parents and JW drama characters made me randomly think of how, in Korea, families celebrate their kids' first birthday with the doljabi game. And that makes me wonder how it must have gone down for a number of JW's drama characters when they were little.

 

I don't think I know enough to be able to come up with ideas for all eight characters, but I did for a couple - but before I share my guesses, I want to hear yours: What objects do you think these characters might have picked from the table?

 

Hint: there is a traditional list of items that are included, but families can and do play around with things that they think match their or their child's interests. So, while I'll share this list here as a start, you are more than welcome to suggest things that don't show up or get even more specific (e.g. I saw a doljabi once in Return of Superman where, because the father was an athlete, he included multiple balls on the table to see which specific sport the child would prefer).

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