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A quick health advisory PSA, courtesy (sort of) of Dr. Kim Tae Hyun:

 

 

And JW recently shared a cute fanart sketch - by the way, do you see the coffee? :D

 

 

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It's still a bit raw and will likely be tweaked somewhat in the final version, but here's Preview 2 of the upcoming installment to my Seolleim in Salzburg series.

 

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But if Nae Il was going to say anything more, she doesn’t get the chance to as a new chat window pops open on the computer screen:

 

“Is everything ready over there?”

 

Eyes still dancing in mirth, Yoon Hoo raises himself half-out of his seat and dips his head in greeting as Professor Stresemann now comes into view, having chosen to set up his station in his office at Haneum. I copy his gesture from my side of the conversation here in Salzburg, but Nae Il resorts to a cheery wave instead. “Annyeonghaseyo, Milch! Long time no see!”

 

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“Ara,” she quips back, completely unfazed. “But that’s still a long time to me.”

 

Staring at her, I shake my head in bemusement. “It would for you, wouldn’t it, Seollebal….”

 

The Professor returns our greeting, then gestures for us to jump straight to business. “Two weeks. Two weeks is what I gave you to decide your pieces for this summer’s tour. And now” – he spreads his hands wide open in invitation – “those two weeks are up.” From inside of his jacket, he produces his phone and stylus, similar to the ones that Yoon Hoo uses. “What do you have?”

 

Yoon Hoo and I exchange glances; I wave for him to go first.

 

“Well, just to get it out of the way, for my personal concerto,” he begins, “I plan to play Haydn’s first – the C-major.” After the Professor jots that down, nodding in acknowledgement, he moves on to his own conducting programme. “I’ll be starting with the New World by Dvorak, which should be long enough to form its own half.”

 

“Geu rae,” the Professor murmurs. “That is true enough.”

 

“Not to mention, so American,” I add.

 

Yoon Hoo grins. “That’s why I chose it – might as well make it clear that I started at Juilliard. And as for the rest….” He pauses for a moment’s thought, then continues. “Glinka’s Valse-Fantasie, The Swan of Tuonela by Smetana, and” – he now gives Nae Il a fond smile – “Saint-Saens’s Piano Concerto No. 2.”

 

Hearing it all laid out like this, I can’t resist a short laugh. “Ya, Lee Yoon Hoo,” I chide him teasingly, “you just have to go all over the place, don’t you. The least you could have done was think of a theme!”

 

Yoon Hoo looks amused. “That’s because I’m trusting you to do that part; knowing you, you should have come up with something on your own that I end up dancing around.”

 

Nae Il bites her lip to hold back a laugh, and after a moment’s thought on my part, I answer with a nod. “Actually, come to think of it…I did. Since our tour is stopping primarily in Austria and Germany, I decided to focus my musical choices there for my conducting programme.” Nae Il peers expectantly at me as I continue. “The first half – the symphony – will be Beethoven’s Seventh, while the second half” – I turn to return her gaze with one of my own – “will begin with a throwback to the ball we attended in January with two overtures: Nicolai’s The Merry Wives of Windsor and Strauss’s Die Fledermaus. And then, after that…the concerto: Robert Schumann’s Piano Concerto in A-minor.”

 

“Orabang said he wanted me to play something I already knew,” Nae Il adds helpfully, “since we knew that whatever Sunbae suggested” – she nods at Yoon Hoo, who returns the gesture – “would be new.”

 

Professor Stresemann makes note of all of this, then looks pointedly at me. “And your own concerto?”

 

“Paderewski.”

 

“Paderewski?” Yoon Hoo echoes. He seems to mull over it for a second, then lets out a soft whistle. “That’ll be epic.”

 

“That’s what I’m aiming for.”

 

The Professor jots down my addition on his phone, punctuating it with a pointed tap with his stylus. “Alright. Good job, both of you. Now, let me tell you what I will do with this.

 

“Your two concerts, I will let you figure out on your own – Lee Yoon Hoo, remember to work with Baby to figure out the concerto. But for the first night, where I am conducting…I will include an orchestral piece to serve as the introductions for both of your concertos. I already had several pieces in mind, depending on time, so” – he pauses to do what looks to be some quick calculations off to one side – “here we go.

 

“First, Lee Yoon Hoo: ‘Jupiter,’ from Holst’s The Planets.”

 

I raise a knowing eyebrow in Yoon Hoo’s direction, which he answers with a wink as he jots the information down on his phone. Both of us can see how this piece is a perfect fit: like the titular “bringer of jollity,” Yoon Hoo is great at lightening orchestra members’ moods through his smooth and easy manner; yet, just like in the piece itself, there is also a deep pathos hidden underneath that smile that only a few people – myself included – can see.

 

Nae Il, surprisingly, isn’t one of them. “And what about Orabang, Milch?” she asks, eagerly leaning in closer to our webcam in anticipation. “What do you have for him?”

 

Professor Stresemann gives her a bright smile before shifting it into something more enigmatic when he looks at me. “For you, Cha Yoo Jin…The Sorcerer’s Apprentice. Dukas.”

 

Immediately, Nae Il perks up. “Isn’t that the one from that Disney movie?”

 

I look quizzically at her. “What Disney movie?”

 

“The one with Mickey Mouse – you know….” Clearly at a loss on its actual title, she mimes a sharp conical shape with her hands instead. And whereas I continue to stare wide-eyed at her in bewilderment, Yoon Hoo’s eyes light up in recognition.

 

“Ah…you mean Fantasia?”

 

Nae Il snaps her fingers with a gasp. “Ne, Sunbae – that one!”

 

As I watch the others chatter excitedly about their memories of the film, I cast my mind back to my own childhood. Never mind what my friends say about my poor knowledge of popular culture. I didn’t grow up entirely under a rock, and Fantasia, now that I hear the title, does ring a bell as a film I watched frequently growing up. Mostly because it featured classical music throughout: Eomma once told me that by just by putting it on, she could easily keep me occupied for several hours while she ran errands or did housework.

 

But while the image Nae Il brought up sounded familiar, somehow the title of the piece – The Sorcerer’s Apprentice – escapes me.

 

Professor Stresemann, for some reason unbeknownst to me, seems to notice my dilemma. “I believe, Cha Yoo Jin,” he confides carefully to me in his native German, his words unnoticed by the others, “that if you watched the film while you lived here in Salzburg, then the title you’re looking for is the original one, by Goethe: Der Zauberlehrling.”

 

In an instant, it clicks. Even if the Disney reference were to elude me, I could recognize this one at least. The original story by Goethe, after all, is a popular one for children here in Austria, so I have heard it countless times: a young sorcerer’s apprentice, eager to start learning spells instead of being stuck doing menial chores, magics a broom into fetching water for him, only to end up flooding the house when he is unable to stop it.

 

End…up…flooding….

 

“You have got to be kidding me!”

 

So what happened? Why is Yoo Jin freaking out? Going from the clues in this passage, you should probably know already - but I'll keep the resolution a surprise ;) 

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2 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I really hope this drama will be as good as "Signal" drama. Because for me Signal drama is benchmark for time travel plots

 

Ooh...that'll be nice! :) Either that, or something like "Nine".

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27 minutes ago, kittyna said:

 

Ooh...that'll be nice! :) Either that, or something like "Nine".

It would be great if its fusion of both, I am guessing it'll be open to interpretation ending, like every other time travel drama. I really hope our joo wonie character gets to experience lot of despair and pain in the drama. Since it is one of the reason he was ablel to garner those high ratings in his previous dramas, except for 'My Sassy Girl and Naeil's Cantabile'. :D

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On 3/23/2020 at 10:28 AM, kireeti2 said:

I really hope our joo wonie character gets to experience lot of despair and pain in the drama. Since it is one of the reason he was ablel to garner those high ratings in his previous dramas, except for 'My Sassy Girl and Naeil's Cantabile'. :D

 

That sounds rather sadistic taken out of context, but I feel you :) I, too, think that JW performs best with meatier and more dramatic roles, although he does do a good job trying to flesh out his more comedic characters to allow for that (both My Sassy Girl and Nae Il's Cantabile have good examples of that).

 

Sorry for taking so long to post - been trying to write past some points in my upcoming fic in order to post a preview, but I'm not there yet, unfortunately. And JW himself has been relatively quiet online, save for some Instagram stories of flowers, so I haven't seen a ton of new stuff on Instagram either. 

 

Which means that I'm starting to go a little bit stir-crazy trying to think of something to post here to keep us all entertained. And today - if you will permit me the chance to take a slightly more lighthearted look at our current crisis - I have an idea. ;) 

 

First of all: or those who haven't figured it out yet...yes, I do have Instagram now. I just lurk/view stuff on it, though, without posting anything. So recently, I've noticed a few of the gazillion polls/surveys/fill-in-the-blanks activities that people have been sharing for their followers to fill out. I've been taking part in some tournament-style polls lately, including one that asks "Which Disney princess would do best in quarantine/self-isolation?" 

 

So I want to try something similar here, only with JW's drama characters: If any of them had to stay at home with ONLY their families/partners/whoever-they-live-with for company for an EXTENDED period of time because of "reasons" (whether due to COVID-19 or something else - because I will be including the historical/period characters this time to have an even 8), WHO do you think will do BEST in that environment?

 

So this is going to happen in classic tournament style: 8 characters, so 4 sets of 2. And I'm asking as many of you to take part and cast your votes as possible. You don't need to give reasons if you'd rather not - just which character (a or b) you think will do best in self-isolation out of each pair. I will also be voting, but I will be casting my own vote last. In other words: only after I hear from some of you will I add my own vote and start the next round of 4. So, everyone who views/lurks/likes/etc. without commenting, this is your time to get involved! :) 

 

Survey below under "Hidden Content" - have fun, and stay healthy!

 

Spoiler

Who will do best in self-isolation? You decide!

 

Rules/Parameters for self-isolation (since everyone's context is different, this needs a standard):

1. The character can either live alone, OR with family, a partner, or roommate(s) - use your own drama knowledge and imagination.

2.  The character is only allowed to go outside for essential purposes (e.g. getting supplies, going to work if you deem his profession to be an "essential service", etc.). If he does go out, he does so ALONE.

3. Any other communication/socialization with people outside of the character's residence (e.g. with friends, colleagues, etc.) can only be done remotely (e.g. via telephone, online, letter-writing, etc.)

4. There is limitless access to in-home recreation and entertainment (e.g. books, TV, streaming movies or music, crafts/hobbies, musical instruments, etc.), but assume ALL public recreational facilities (e.g. malls, restaurants, entertainment venues, sports facilities, etc.) are CLOSED.

 

Got all that? Now, cast your votes! (Note: pairs have been made randomly using a number generator to try to keep things fair. Some choices might still be tough, though, but that's half the fun! ;))

 

Round One

 

1. Who do you think will do best in self-isolation?

a - Lee Kang To

b - Kim Tae Hyun

 

2. Who do you think will do best in self-isolation?

a - Gyun Woo

b - Hwang Tae Hui

 

3. Who do you think will do best in self-isolation?

a - Park Si On

b - Gu Ma Jun

 

4. Who do you think will do best in self-isolation?

a - Han Gil Ro

b - Cha Yoo Jin

 

So, remember: please cast your votes (you can do it just with numbers and letters - also, if you prefer to keep your response secret, you can do it via direct message rather than a reply), and let's see where this goes. Have fun and I'll touch base with you all again with a story preview once it's ready!

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10 hours ago, kittyna said:

 

That sounds rather sadistic taken out of context, but I feel you :) I, too, think that JW performs best with meatier and more dramatic roles, although he does do a good job trying to flesh out his more comedic characters to allow for that (both My Sassy Girl and Nae Il's Cantabile have good examples of that).

 

Sorry for taking so long to post - been trying to write past some points in my upcoming fic in order to post a preview, but I'm not there yet, unfortunately. And JW himself has been relatively quiet online, save for some Instagram stories of flowers, so I haven't seen a ton of new stuff on Instagram either. 

 

Which means that I'm starting to go a little bit stir-crazy trying to think of something to post here to keep us all entertained. And today - if you will permit me the chance to take a slightly more lighthearted look at our current crisis - I have an idea. ;) 

 

First of all: or those who haven't figured it out yet...yes, I do have Instagram now. I just lurk/view stuff on it, though, without posting anything. So recently, I've noticed a few of the gazillion polls/surveys/fill-in-the-blanks activities that people have been sharing for their followers to fill out. I've been taking part in some tournament-style polls lately, including one that asks "Which Disney princess would do best in quarantine/self-isolation?" 

 

So I want to try something similar here, only with JW's drama characters: If any of them had to stay at home with ONLY their families/partners/whoever-they-live-with for company for an EXTENDED period of time because of "reasons" (whether due to COVID-19 or something else - because I will be including the historical/period characters this time to have an even 8), WHO do you think will do BEST in that environment?

 

So this is going to happen in classic tournament style: 8 characters, so 4 sets of 2. And I'm asking as many of you to take part and cast your votes as possible. You don't need to give reasons if you'd rather not - just which character (a or b) you think will do best in self-isolation out of each pair. I will also be voting, but I will be casting my own vote last. In other words: only after I hear from some of you will I add my own vote and start the next round of 4. So, everyone who views/lurks/likes/etc. without commenting, this is your time to get involved! :) 

 

Survey below under "Hidden Content" - have fun, and stay healthy!

 

  Hide contents

Who will do best in self-isolation? You decide!

 

Rules/Parameters for self-isolation (since everyone's context is different, this needs a standard):

1. The character can either live alone, OR with family, a partner, or roommate(s) - use your own drama knowledge and imagination.

2.  The character is only allowed to go outside for essential purposes (e.g. getting supplies, going to work if you deem his profession to be an "essential service", etc.). If he does go out, he does so ALONE.

3. Any other communication/socialization with people outside of the character's residence (e.g. with friends, colleagues, etc.) can only be done remotely (e.g. via telephone, online, letter-writing, etc.)

4. There is limitless access to in-home recreation and entertainment (e.g. books, TV, streaming movies or music, crafts/hobbies, musical instruments, etc.), but assume ALL public recreational facilities (e.g. malls, restaurants, entertainment venues, sports facilities, etc.) are CLOSED.

 

Got all that? Now, cast your votes! (Note: pairs have been made randomly using a number generator to try to keep things fair. Some choices might still be tough, though, but that's half the fun! ;))

 

Round One

 

1. Who do you think will do best in self-isolation?

a - Lee Kang To

b - Kim Tae Hyun

 

2. Who do you think will do best in self-isolation?

a - Gyun Woo

b - Hwang Tae Hui

 

3. Who do you think will do best in self-isolation?

a - Park Si On

b - Gu Ma Jun

 

4. Who do you think will do best in self-isolation?

a - Han Gil Ro

b - Cha Yoo Jin

 

So, remember: please cast your votes (you can do it just with numbers and letters - also, if you prefer to keep your response secret, you can do it via direct message rather than a reply), and let's see where this goes. Have fun and I'll touch base with you all again with a story preview once it's ready!

1. Who do you think will do best in self-isolation? Ans: a ( Because Kim Tae Hyun is doctor, so he would have hard time being isolated he would rather be out there helping other)

2. Who do you think will do best in self-isolation? Ans: a(Hwang Tae Hui is a police officer, so he is a part of essential service and would find it hard to be in isolation and do nothing to save others)

3. Who do you think will do best in self-isolation? Ans: b (same goes to park si on)

4. Who do you think will do best in self-isolation? Ans: b (Han Gil Ro is an extrovert so, he'll have hard time to stay in isolation and Cha yoo jin would use this time to study and improve his conducting)

(That sounds rather sadistic taken out of context, but I feel you :) I, too, think that JW performs best with meatier and more dramatic roles, although he does do a good job trying to flesh out his more comedic characters to allow for that (both My Sassy Girl and Nae Il's Cantabile have good examples of that). Btw, what I meant was, that any lead character would be easy to root for and more relatable when He/She is having tough time. Most of the people love to see a lead succeed despite facing many hardships, like it's part of catharsis. That why, we watch or generally people show lot of love to the lead who is facing hardship and despair, but yes even comedic angle should also be the part of the lead, joo won is also equally good at doing it, given that the writers have done a good job. Joo won's acting is like water it can take any shape or form, if it is used properly by directors and writers.

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Thanks for sharing, @kireeti2! :) 

 

By the way, just a quick tech-related tip: you can just select the text you want to quote instead of quoting an entire post. I'm not 100% sure how that works on a phone, but on a computer, just highlight the text you're quoting with your mouse, hover around until you see a button that says "Quote selection", and click that. When you quote that way, it's easier for everyone to see what part of someone else's post you're referring to.

 

For example:

 

8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

1. Who do you think will do best in self-isolation? Ans: a ( Because Kim Tae Hyun is doctor, so he would have hard time being isolated he would rather be out there helping other)

2. Who do you think will do best in self-isolation? Ans: a(Hwang Tae Hui is a police officer, so he is a part of essential service and would find it hard to be in isolation and do nothing to save others)

3. Who do you think will do best in self-isolation? Ans: b (same goes to park si on)

4. Who do you think will do best in self-isolation? Ans: b (Han Gil Ro is an extrovert so, he'll have hard time to stay in isolation and Cha yoo jin would use this time to study and improve his conducting)

 

That's actually a take on this that I hadn't thought of. :) Which actually tells me something about how different people interpret "self-isolation" - like, I thought that going to work if you're a doctor but staying home all the time you're off shift still counted, but I guess not everybody does. But yes, you would hope that the doctors and police officers would be out there on the front lines - but let's hope they also have all the resources they need to stay safe.

 

8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Btw, what I meant was, that any lead character would be easy to root for and more relatable when He/She is having tough time. Most of the people love to see a lead succeed despite facing many hardships, like it's part of catharsis. That why, we watch or generally people show lot of love to the lead who is facing hardship and despair, but yes even comedic angle should also be the part of the lead, joo won is also equally good at doing it, given that the writers have done a good job. Joo won's acting is like water it can take any shape or form, if it is used properly by directors and writers.

 

Don't worry - I understood that. That's why I said comments like that sound "sadistic taken out of context" (i.e. if someone didn't know what we were talking about to begin with). But, yes, characters who go through hardships are a lot easier to relate to - especially, for me at least, those who choose to do the right thing even when it's easier to do wrong.

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4 hours ago, kittyna said:

By the way, just a quick tech-related tip: you can just select the text you want to quote instead of quoting an entire post. I'm not 100% sure how that works on a phone, but on a computer, just highlight the text you're quoting with your mouse, hover around until you see a button that says "Quote selection", and click that. When you quote that way, it's easier for everyone to see what part of someone else's post you're referring to.

 

Gotta it, thanks for the tip:). I am actually new to this whole community, including K-drama and this fan page. I was actually drawn to this because of joo won's "Good doctor", courtesy of the English version. I thought Korean version would be below par the English version, but boy! I could not have been more wrong, his acting and portrayal of people with autism was off the charts, like it was mind blowing. It's the first drama for which have cried in all the episodes, exception of final episode. So, that's why I hope Joo won would try more characters where he can show his new sides, but with more emotional aspects, he even made me cry in Ojakgyo brothers series. Btw, I loved your fan fictions, especially Good doctor's. :)

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4 hours ago, kittyna said:

That's actually a take on this that I hadn't thought of. :) Which actually tells me something about how different people interpret "self-isolation" - like, I thought that going to work if you're a doctor but staying home all the time you're off shift still counted, but I guess not everybody does. But yes, you would hope that the doctors and police officers would be out there on the front lines - but let's hope they also have all the resources they need to stay safe.

I mean doctors  and police officers are trained to help people at the risk of their life and put the needs of others over theirs, so, I assumed that if neither of characters were not infected the characters like doctor and police officer would rather be outside and save others, than stay in isolation and if they were infected then they would definitely  stay isolated, so that they'll not spread the virus to others:):D

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1 hour ago, kireeti2 said:

Gotta it, thanks for the tip:). I am actually new to this whole community, including K-drama and this fan page.

 

You're welcome! And speaking of tips, there is a rule here on Soompi (although I don't know if it's official or just something everyone does) that after posting once, you should wait at least one hour before posting again.

 

It's done to minimize spam, I think, but what matters for our purposes is that, in future, try to group multiple quotes/replies into one post so you don't get in trouble with the moderators. ;) 

 

1 hour ago, kireeti2 said:

I was actually drawn to this because of joo won's "Good doctor", courtesy of the English version. I thought Korean version would be below par the English version, but boy! I could not have been more wrong, his acting and portrayal of people with autism was off the charts, like it was mind blowing. It's the first drama for which have cried in all the episodes, exception of final episode.

 

"Good Doctor", "Nae Il's Cantabile" and "Yong Pal" all go back and forth for which of JW's dramas is my favourite. I know that that's a bit of an unpopular opinion for "Nae Il's Cantabile" especially, but I have my reasons (not least of which is the chance for me to expand on it using my fanfic series :P). But Park Si On wins out for as the character who has a personality closest to mine :) 

 

It's weird, though, since although the vast majority of comments I've seen online comparing the Korean and American versions of "Good Doctor" favoured the original, I did come across this site that really heavily criticized the Korean version, saying that its portrayal of autism went too far and wound up becoming disrespectful and insulting as a result. And, in all honesty...it is a fair argument. Park Si On is very different from how autistic savants are depicted in Western media (where we have shows like The Big Bang Theory and its spinoff Young Sheldon, or the BBC series Sherlock). But actually, if I may be allowed to say so, I actually like Park Si On more - I find portrayals that focus too strongly on the intellectual genius of savant syndrome can sometimes end up making the characters look really arrogant (even though I know 100% for sure that they're not and it's just from poor social skills). I much prefer Si On's innocence by comparison. :) 

 

1 hour ago, kireeti2 said:

Btw, I loved your fan fictions, especially Good doctor's.

 

Aw...thanks! :heart:

 

And now you're reminding me: I haven't written anything for "Good Doctor" in ages. Maybe it's because I've been focused so heavily on giving "Nae Il's Cantabile" the sequel treatment. *shrugs* But I actually love writing both Park Si On and Cha Yoon Seo's perspectives, so let's see if inspiration strikes in that direction again in the future.

 

1 hour ago, kireeti2 said:

I mean doctors  and police officers are trained to help people at the risk of their life and put the needs of others over theirs, so, I assumed that if neither of characters were not infected the characters like doctor and police officer would rather be outside and save others, than stay in isolation and if they were infected then they would definitely  stay isolated, so that they'll not spread the virus to others:):D

 

Agreed. Which, I'll admit, makes one of those pairs to choose from extra tough, since we've got a cop (Lee Kang To) and a doctor (Kim Tae Hyun) at the same time. :P Doctor probably trumps cop then, though.... :D 

 

I mentioned this in an earlier post, but I do think that Kim Tae Hyun, at least, would self-isolate whenever he's not working, since both his sister and Han Yeo Jin are high-risk patients (anyone who's had an organ transplant is). So I get the mental image of him moving back into the guest house next to Yeo Jin's mansion and making video calls with her whenever he gets the chance.

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21 minutes ago, kittyna said:

"Good Doctor", "Nae Il's Cantabile" and "Yong Pal" all go back and forth for which of JW's dramas is my favourite. I know that that's a bit of an unpopular opinion for "Nae Il's Cantabile" especially, but I have my reasons (not least of which is the chance for me to expand on it using my fanfic series :P). But Park Si On wins out for as the character who has a personality closest to mine :) 

 

It's weird, though, since although the vast majority of comments I've seen online comparing the Korean and American versions of "Good Doctor" favoured the original, I did come across this site that really heavily criticized the Korean version, saying that its portrayal of autism went too far and wound up becoming disrespectful and insulting as a result. And, in all honesty...it is a fair argument. Park Si On is very different from how autistic savants are depicted in Western media (where we have shows like The Big Bang Theory and its spinoff Young Sheldon, or the BBC series Sherlock). But actually, if I may be allowed to say so, I actually like Park Si On more - I find portrayals that focus too strongly on the intellectual genius of savant syndrome can sometimes end up making the characters look really arrogant (even though I know 100% for sure that they're not and it's just from poor social skills). I much prefer Si On's innocence by comparison. :) 

No, I too find Nae Il's Cantabile was on par with Joo won's other high rating dramas, for me its the drama which was ruined by bad writing and direction, otherwise it could have been one his high rated drama. Unlike "My sassy girl", it was very predictable, although it had some twist and turns but in the end it was very much predictable. Yeah portrayal  in Korean version was unrealistic up to some extent, but it is also unrealistic if nor hard for autistic people to become a surgeon(they can be doctors in fields like diagnosis or in music field). But it was unique depiction of how it is hard for person with special needs for the world to treat her/him as normal person and lead a normal life. For them being treated as normal is a luxury, the Korean version sensitized me towards the autistic and people with special needs. This was missing in  all American version(Most of them acted like heroes), the closure version which sensitized me about people with special needs after Good doctor was "Atypical" series. There was also article where mother of child with autism got an apology letter from his/her bullies after watching Good doctor(I read it while I was doing online search about Good doctor, I don't know if its true or not). So, yeah healing factor is missing form American version. I think the criticism was because they have used the word "cure" in the series rather than adapting si on into normal social life.

41 minutes ago, kittyna said:

Aw...thanks! :heart:

 

And now you're reminding me: I haven't written anything for "Good Doctor" in ages. Maybe it's because I've been focused so heavily on giving "Nae Il's Cantabile" the sequel treatment. *shrugs* But I actually love writing both Park Si On and Cha Yoon Seo's perspectives, so let's see if inspiration strikes in that direction again in the future.

 

I find si on and yoon seo more realistic couple than Nae Il's Cantabile pairing, perhaps lack of chemistry and depth in the characters. But yeah your Good doctor fan fiction was really engaging and it was like watching extension of episode 5 and episode 17, and also the dating part was very cute and heart warming :grin:

 

45 minutes ago, kittyna said:

ou're welcome! And speaking of tips, there is a rule here on Soompi (although I don't know if it's official or just something everyone does) that after posting once, you should wait at least one hour before posting again.

 

It's done to minimize spam, I think, but what matters for our purposes is that, in future, try to group multiple quotes/replies into one post so you don't get in trouble with the moderators.

Point noted, I will try to abide by the rules and steer clear from trouble with the moderator ^_^

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8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Yeah portrayal  in Korean version was unrealistic up to some extent, but it is also unrealistic if nor hard for autistic people to become a surgeon(they can be doctors in fields like diagnosis or in music field). But it was unique depiction of how it is hard for person with special needs for the world to treat her/him as normal person and lead a normal life. For them being treated as normal is a luxury, the Korean version sensitized me towards the autistic and people with special needs. This was missing in  all American version(Most of them acted like heroes), the closure version which sensitized me about people with special needs after Good doctor was "Atypical" series. There was also article where mother of child with autism got an apology letter from his/her bullies after watching Good doctor(I read it while I was doing online search about Good doctor, I don't know if its true or not). So, yeah healing factor is missing form American version. I think the criticism was because they have used the word "cure" in the series rather than adapting si on into normal social life.

 

Yeah. I also think that the differences between the American and Korean versions would be because the situation and culture in America and Korea are also different. What society expects from people with special needs is different, so it makes sense that the dramas would adapt the story to match the message that their directors/writers/casts want to send. And for the Korean version at least, I think it's about letting people see that rather than a disability, autism can be seen as a different perspective of the world.

 

As for using the word "cure"...I do wonder if that was a misunderstanding. Obviously, autism isn't something that needs to be "cured" - "treated," perhaps, but not "cured" - but that's also provided that we're using English ;) I don't know if that same distinction in meaning occurs in Korean or if the same word is used for both - not to mention whether the people who wrote the English subtitles were aware of that difference. So I actually wasn't bothered by that; I just decided to give the translators the benefit of the doubt, since it's clear as you watch the drama that this isn't about "curing" Park Si On at all.

 

8 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I find si on and yoon seo more realistic couple than Nae Il's Cantabile pairing, perhaps lack of chemistry and depth in the characters.

 

Cha Yoo Jin and Seol Nae Il - in my opinion - never actually became a couple until the very end of Nae Il's Cantabile. Or maybe not even then, but sometime after the events of the drama. I personally saw more a "best friends with one person having a crush" vibe for most of the show, and that's fine by me. If they were a couple, then they were also one that still had a ways to go before they could succeed in a long-term relationship: Yoo Jin needed to work on accepting help from others, and Nae Il needed to learn that a real relationship takes work and isn't just about cute fluffy romance. Actually, that's why I found this drama so appealing for writing a full-blown sequel series - I get to go in and expand on these characters and help them grow and mature into a relationship that is actually healthy and lasting.

 

As for Park Si On and Cha Yoon Seo...they're just cuties :) I love the noona-dongsaeng vibe that they have, and also how they seemed to go from friends to a couple at a really natural pace.

 

But if you ask me which JW drama's relationship is my actual favourite..."Yong Pal". I think Kim Tae Hyun and Han Yeo Jin can set some serious #relationshipgoals with the way they support each other and also the way they resolve conflicts and differences in perspective.

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1 hour ago, kittyna said:

Cha Yoo Jin and Seol Nae Il - in my opinion - never actually became a couple until the very end of Nae Il's Cantabile. Or maybe not even then, but sometime after the events of the drama. I personally saw more a "best friends with one person having a crush" vibe for most of the show, and that's fine by me. If they were a couple, then they were also one that still had a ways to go before they could succeed in a long-term relationship: Yoo Jin needed to work on accepting help from others, and Nae Il needed to learn that a real relationship takes work and isn't just about cute fluffy romance. Actually, that's why I found this drama so appealing for writing a full-blown sequel series - I get to go in and expand on these characters and help them grow and mature into a relationship that is actually healthy and lasting.

I totally agree with you. There was lot of scope for writers to expand in Cha Yoo Jin and Seol Nae Il relationship and too find them as more of a best friend cum couple, like you fall for your best friend without realizing.

 

1 hour ago, kittyna said:

As for Park Si On and Cha Yoon Seo...they're just cuties :) I love the noona-dongsaeng vibe that they have, and also how they seemed to go from friends to a couple at a really natural pace.

No wonder they got best couple award even with the lead being person with special needs, it was also like a natural way of falling in love for si on as well as yoon seo and thank god there was no love triangle nonsense, and it was not out pity from the female lead side it was proper k-drama love story. I really hoped for them become real couple, but later found out they have same surname, so I thought they might be related

 

1 hour ago, kittyna said:

But if you ask me which JW drama's relationship is my actual favourite..."Yong Pal". I think Kim Tae Hyun and Han Yeo Jin can set some serious #relationshipgoals with the way they support each other and also the way they resolve conflicts and differences in perspective

Maybe because they officially got married in the series and they complete each other. I too find this pairing very mature unlike other k-drama pairing where they show one being childish and other trying to be mature. If you look at closely, kim tae hyun actually left Han yeo jin so that she can get revenge on her enemies without him being an obstacle to her and she let him go because he is too pure and good of person to get involved in such kind of business. Out of all relationships in joo won's drama this one was the most mature one.

 

Anyway, Do you know the  real reason behind the break-up of BOA and Joo won?  I did try to find it by myself, but none of the articles makes sense. They seem to be in good terms before the enlistment of Joo won, Joo won even shared her message in the press conference of "My sassy girl" and in an episode of Producer 101 BOA was caught thinking about Joo won( when joo won was in military). And then I get the article saying they broke-up because of lack of time together:confused:

 

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Sorry for the late response, @kireeti2 - I was focusing mostly on my own writing today.

 

22 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

No wonder they got best couple award even with the lead being person with special needs, it was also like a natural way of falling in love for si on as well as yoon seo and thank god there was no love triangle nonsense, and it was not out pity from the female lead side it was proper k-drama love story.

 

Personally, I love that they started off as friends, with Cha Yoon Seo trying really hard to help and guide Park Si On before either of them started developing romantic feelings for each other.

 

22 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I really hoped for them become real couple, but later found out they have same surname, so I thought they might be related

 

It's possible, but I think JW and Moon Chae Won would be rather distant relatives in any case. Still, I know a number of Koreans are still uncomfortable dating anybody with the same surname or from the same clan (even in instances where the actual chance of incest is low), and Moon Chae Won did draw that line right off the bat.

 

Interestingly enough, during an early interview the "Good Doctor" cast did, Joo Sang Wook actually said that he initially thought Joo was JW's surname until he found out it was actually Moon - so JW's name wound up overlapping with both of his co-stars' here.

 

22 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Maybe because they officially got married in the series and they complete each other. I too find this pairing very mature unlike other k-drama pairing where they show one being childish and other trying to be mature. If you look at closely, kim tae hyun actually left Han yeo jin so that she can get revenge on her enemies without him being an obstacle to her and she let him go because he is too pure and good of person to get involved in such kind of business. Out of all relationships in joo won's drama this one was the most mature one.

 

I actually saw Tae Hyun's decision to leave differently: I took it as his way to subtly coax Han Yeo Jin towards love and forgiveness over revenge. He knew that her actions went completely against his values, but she also knew that he saw goodness inside of her - so his leaving was his way of saying that he'd wait for her until her heart had healed and she could really be herself (i.e. Han Yeo Jin rather than Chairwoman Han).

 

I also think it's great that they always manage to discuss issues calmly. Yes, there are some melodramatics at first (like when Yeo Jin gives Tae Hyun the silent treatment after she sees him being friends with Lee Chae Young in Ep. 8), but once they get to know each other well, they really can reveal their true hearts and minds to each other. Which is great, because both Tae Hyun and Yeo Jin have gone through so much crap already that they both really need someone to lean on if they don't want to turn into bitter and hateful people.

 

22 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

Anyway, Do you know the  real reason behind the break-up of BOA and Joo won?  I did try to find it by myself, but none of the articles makes sense. They seem to be in good terms before the enlistment of Joo won, Joo won even shared her message in the press conference of "My sassy girl" and in an episode of Producer 101 BOA was caught thinking about Joo won( when joo won was in military). And then I get the article saying they broke-up because of lack of time together:confused:

 

No, I don't know of anything beyond the official statements that were made to the media. And honestly, I hope that it really was just that and not something more dramatic. And here's why:

 

From what I've seen, the enlistment period puts a lot of strain on dating relationships: one of the reasons is the lack of contact/communication, but maybe there are other factors that I'm not aware of. A couple that's already well-established and committed (best example I can think of at the moment would be Kim Tae Hee and her real-life husband, Rain) would make it through those two years of waiting fairly easily. But a couple that's relatively newer, that's still just starting out or that's still in its "honeymoon phase" (i.e. that early stage when everything is just cute and fluffy and romantic)...that's harder. Not impossible, just harder.

 

The dating part of the relationship comes to a really sudden stop when the guy enlists, and it's probably not unusual for the passion and romance to start fading away as well over time. A lot of relationships survive that, of course, but in some cases, a couple will slowly start to realize that their feelings for each other aren't that strong once the excitement of dating isn't there to sustain them anymore.

 

To put it simply: it's possible during the enlistment term that both the man and the woman discover that their relationship is closer to a friendship than a romance, so they choose to break up and continue on as just friends. And while JW and BoA are the only people who will ever know the truth, personally, for their sakes, I hope the breakup was just because of that.

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Hi! I really have no idea how this is supposed to work T_T. I created my account a long time ago and followed this topic about Joo Won. I've been getting weekly email digests and has only caught up with all the updates recently. I'm a bit confused and I apologize in advance if I ever do something inappropriate or weird (?) lol I don't know, but I'm really sorry.

 

On 3/30/2020 at 1:01 AM, kittyna said:

So I want to try something similar here, only with JW's drama characters: If any of them had to stay at home with ONLY their families/partners/whoever-they-live-with for company for an EXTENDED period of time because of "reasons" (whether due to COVID-19 or something else - because I will be including the historical/period characters this time to have an even 8), WHO do you think will do BEST in that environment?

 

Anyways, I think this tournament-style isolation poll for Joo Won's characters is really interesting and I wanted to participate. Here are my answers for the first around with a bit of an  explanation. Oh and I was also thinking of sending this through DM, but realized that some people might want to read my thoughts too (maybe?) so here it is. *throws this at you guys, and runs*

 

Question: Who do you think will do best in self-isolation?

 

My Answers:

1) a - Lee Kang To

  • Kang To is a survivor. I think he would find it very easy to adapt to a situation where he needs to self-isolate. He does most of his planning and strategizing alone. He's also used to minimizing contact with others to keep his secret identity. He shows no problem in contacting other people through other means (i.e. telephone, cryptic messages etc.) His "partying" or more boisterous side, I think, is mostly just for show anyway and it wouldn't be a surprise to me if he actually thrives in an "isolated" situation with only his thoughts and the most important people in his life.
  • Tae Hyun would do fine in self-isolation, although I think it's inherent in most doctors to be concerned with their patients/other people especially since this is a medical-type crisis (I can't think of other reasons why people would self isolate, so I just assumed it was bc of COVID-19 or some type of sickness/disease for the historical dramas). I think he would spend his time not at work still worrying about others and thinking of ways he can help, that he wouldn't really be able to enjoy the self-isolation time.

2) b - Hwang Tae Hui

  • Gyun Woo wouldn't do well in self-isolation. I think he's the type to break the rules to go out and socialize with his friends or other people. 
  • Tae Hui would be very concerned with what's going on yes, but he's very practical as well. He'd do his best as a police officer but would also acknowledge his limitations. I think he'd do well while spending time at home with his family. He'd probably use it to recharge and take a break from all the work.

3) b - Gu Ma Jun

  • I do think that if there isn't an ongoing crisis Shi-on would easily find things to occupy himself with. I remember in the show he says he spends some of his time browsing the web, reading articles and magazines and such. He would also probably find something new to learn (w/c I think is how he survived college given that he didn't have much friends and people tend to isolate him because he's different). But assuming that there is some type of COVID-19 crisis, Shi-on would probably put in all the hours in helping others even if he isn't required to. Like Tae-Hyun, would probably be stressed out thinking about patients and will try so hard to find solutions.
  • Ma Jun, on the other hand, I think would do very well even if there was a crisis like this. If I recall, he was insanely rich (?) so he wouldn't have to worry about food and other physical necessities. If he traveled other countries and get infected, he'd still get the best medical care. With regards to the actual self-isolation, he'd have no problems too I think. I mean he probably spent entire weeks/months isolating himself in the baking kitchen (?) just to perfect the art of baking. He'd just use this time to further improve his craft. I also think that as long as his loved ones are safe he won't worry too much about what's happening out there lol.

4) b - Cha Yoo Jin

  • Gil Ro would easily be beaten by Yoo Jin in this. He always goes to malls and crowded places, right? To be honest, I didn't finish 7th Grade Civil Servant and couldn't even remember much. But I know for certain he wouldn't be able to take self-isolating for so long. That guy couldn't even stay still for a short period of time!
  • Yoo Jin, on the other hand, would definitely thrive in this kind of situation. All his hobbies can be done in self-isolation. He'd also probably use the time to perfect his musical abilities. I can see him maybe joining online musical concerts and the like to pass the time.
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30 minutes ago, yukinen said:

Ma Jun, on the other hand, I think would do very well even if there was a crisis like this. If I recall, he was insanely rich (?) so he wouldn't have to worry about food and other physical necessities. If he traveled other countries and get infected, he'd still get the best medical care. With regards to the actual self-isolation, he'd have no problems too I think. I mean he probably spent entire weeks/months isolating himself in the baking kitchen (?) just to perfect the art of baking. He'd just use this time to further improve his craft. I also think that as long as his loved ones are safe he won't worry too much about what's happening out there lol.

I would like add one more thing, Ma jun is a mama's boy. So, even if he wants to go out his mom would forbid it. :D

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2 hours ago, yukinen said:

Hi! I really have no idea how this is supposed to work T_T. I created my account a long time ago and followed this topic about Joo Won. I've been getting weekly email digests and has only caught up with all the updates recently. I'm a bit confused and I apologize in advance if I ever do something inappropriate or weird (?) lol I don't know, but I'm really sorry.

 

Welcome, @yukinen - and I also owe @kireeti2 a formal welcome to this forum as well.

 

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Don't worry about whether anything you post is going to come out sounding weird or stupid - we're all in this together, and so long as it's not hurtful or full-on inappropriate (no swearing allowed, for instance), you should be fine. :) 

 

2 hours ago, yukinen said:

Anyways, I think this tournament-style isolation poll for Joo Won's characters is really interesting and I wanted to participate. Here are my answers for the first around with a bit of an  explanation. Oh and I was also thinking of sending this through DM, but realized that some people might want to read my thoughts too (maybe?) so here it is. *throws this at you guys, and runs*

 

That's okay - and thanks for your responses! I'm having a lot of fun reading your takes on these characters, and want to invite you to add your spiel more often in the future.

 

2 hours ago, yukinen said:

1) a - Lee Kang To

  • Kang To is a survivor. I think he would find it very easy to adapt to a situation where he needs to self-isolate. He does most of his planning and strategizing alone. He's also used to minimizing contact with others to keep his secret identity. He shows no problem in contacting other people through other means (i.e. telephone, cryptic messages etc.) His "partying" or more boisterous side, I think, is mostly just for show anyway and it wouldn't be a surprise to me if he actually thrives in an "isolated" situation with only his thoughts and the most important people in his life.
  • Tae Hyun would do fine in self-isolation, although I think it's inherent in most doctors to be concerned with their patients/other people especially since this is a medical-type crisis (I can't think of other reasons why people would self isolate, so I just assumed it was bc of COVID-19 or some type of sickness/disease for the historical dramas). I think he would spend his time not at work still worrying about others and thinking of ways he can help, that he wouldn't really be able to enjoy the self-isolation time.

 

After I did the randomized pairings, I realized this one might be a tough one. ;) Interesting to see two votes for Lee Kang To and for the reasons you guys have given so far.

 

2 hours ago, yukinen said:

2) b - Hwang Tae Hui

  • Gyun Woo wouldn't do well in self-isolation. I think he's the type to break the rules to go out and socialize with his friends or other people. 
  • Tae Hui would be very concerned with what's going on yes, but he's very practical as well. He'd do his best as a police officer but would also acknowledge his limitations. I think he'd do well while spending time at home with his family. He'd probably use it to recharge and take a break from all the work.

 

Good points on both characters. Again, I'll hold off on revealing my choices for later (still want to see if any more readers come out from the woodwork to vote - and, yes, it does mean you guys may end up influencing my vote :P), but I do want to point out that while Gyun Woo is a bit of a rebel and a social butterfly, he's also a big stickler for the rules, working towards the greater good, etc. That's how I've observed more social or outgoing people coping with lockdown right now (i.e. "It sucks that I can't go out, but I'll do it for other people.").

 

Re: Tae Hui, I think there's a difference between a patrolling police officer and a police detective. So I'm genuinely curious about what sort of work he'd have in a time like this - enforcing social distancing rules, maybe? *shrugs*

 

2 hours ago, yukinen said:

3) b - Gu Ma Jun

  • I do think that if there isn't an ongoing crisis Shi-on would easily find things to occupy himself with. I remember in the show he says he spends some of his time browsing the web, reading articles and magazines and such. He would also probably find something new to learn (w/c I think is how he survived college given that he didn't have much friends and people tend to isolate him because he's different). But assuming that there is some type of COVID-19 crisis, Shi-on would probably put in all the hours in helping others even if he isn't required to. Like Tae-Hyun, would probably be stressed out thinking about patients and will try so hard to find solutions.
  • Ma Jun, on the other hand, I think would do very well even if there was a crisis like this. If I recall, he was insanely rich (?) so he wouldn't have to worry about food and other physical necessities. If he traveled other countries and get infected, he'd still get the best medical care. With regards to the actual self-isolation, he'd have no problems too I think. I mean he probably spent entire weeks/months isolating himself in the baking kitchen (?) just to perfect the art of baking. He'd just use this time to further improve his craft. I also think that as long as his loved ones are safe he won't worry too much about what's happening out there lol.

 

This one's another tough one - we've got a bit of a "Battle of the Introverts" here :D 

 

But I do like that you're taking Si On's mental/emotional health into consideration - something like this outbreak would be extremely stressful :unsure:

 

2 hours ago, kireeti2 said:

I would like add one more thing, Ma jun is a mama's boy. So, even if he wants to go out his mom would forbid it. :D

 

LOL! That's awesome! But mind you: Ma Jun is also a rebel. So if his mother were to forbid him from leaving the house...he just might do it just to spite her ;) 

 

2 hours ago, yukinen said:

4) b - Cha Yoo Jin

  • Gil Ro would easily be beaten by Yoo Jin in this. He always goes to malls and crowded places, right? To be honest, I didn't finish 7th Grade Civil Servant and couldn't even remember much. But I know for certain he wouldn't be able to take self-isolating for so long. That guy couldn't even stay still for a short period of time!
  • Yoo Jin, on the other hand, would definitely thrive in this kind of situation. All his hobbies can be done in self-isolation. He'd also probably use the time to perfect his musical abilities. I can see him maybe joining online musical concerts and the like to pass the time.

 

Going from responses, this one seems to be the easiest/most obvious poll, so I'll just leave my response at that for now :) 

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1 hour ago, kittyna said:

Re: Tae Hui, I think there's a difference between a patrolling police officer and a police detective. So I'm genuinely curious about what sort of work he'd have in a time like this - enforcing social distancing rules, maybe? *shrugs*

In times of pandemic detectives are usually used to trace the possible carriers, like tracing their travel history, number of persons the carrier had come in contact etc. So, I think Tae Hui would have lot more to offer during such kind of situations and yeah in the series he is really good at tracking people, so he'll use that skill to track infected cases for isolation and chances are there that he might even get himself infected.:o

 

1 hour ago, kittyna said:

LOL! That's awesome! But mind you: Ma Jun is also a rebel. So if his mother were to forbid him from leaving the house...he just might do it just to spite her

Yeah, he is. But when his mom puts the foot down he usually does toe the line .

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