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E.L.F Are At It Again!

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So in the end, it depends on our preference I think? Of course ELF loves Super Junior the way they are, bad or good. ELF loves them unconditionally and they want to keep the 13. But outsiders, like me, who is not an ELF, just love them so-so and see them as mediocre entertainers. Mr. LSM, being the man he is, of course wants to raise the bar. It's his job to make them the best. And he's pretty damn good at it. That's why he wants to add Henry. In order to gain more fans, he needs to do something. He wants to turn me into an ELF. And I dare say if Henry joined, I am one step closer. ELF on the other hand is just having the good faith in Super Junior that they'll all grow and become exceptionally talented as individuals, as 13, as time goes. But in reality, that's really hard to achieve and that takes time. I guess it's like now after 2 years, some of the weaker ones, although made improvements, is not enough to be A. Can't wait anymore and time is ticking. So comes Henry. Get what I mean? Like TVXQ, super stable now. Each one of the 5 is exceptionally refined. Someone asked me why it's okay to have a riot if Henry joins TVXQ but not Super Junior. The above explanation is why I thought (just my one-cent. please feel free to correct me).

1) Super Junior can continue being mediocre and stay happily ever after with current ELF. or

2) Super Junior can become A-listers with increased fan base, by kicking less competent members out or by adding new prominent ones or

3) Super Junior can become A-listers with increased fan base, as current 13, but only after a long time (because it takes time to polish the less competent members and gain recognition), if even possible.

Seriously, this is just the way I see it. I am not bashing SUJU or ELF, I love SUJU very much even though it's just mediocre compared to my love for BoA. Some ELF can say, OH EFF OFF! We're good the way we are we don't need new fans or your support! etc. Or, OH EFF OFF! SUJU IS ALREADY A LIST! Ok fine. I am not sure but there definitely is great room for improvement.I am not so sure myself but the above is what I thought. At the end of the day, I support true love so yeah. Fame doesn't matter so as long as ELF's love for SuJu is true - even if they're B in my eyes, I will still respect them.

thank you, you're same only the one that read our posts :P :P :P

We're really want SuJu gains more fan, they're all their way to prove their talent ^_^ some of them may still not good enough or just because people think there are too many of them, so that they don't bother to find out T_T

The thing is if Henry is going to add in SuJu, but what if after Mr. LSM feel that he has to put SuJu up to A+ level, so there will be another *talent* trainee appear from nowhere ... as time go on, which exactly level LSM want to bring SuJu up, how many exactly members of SuJu? What about our 13 members?

SM once had announced SuJu became a permanent group, now he turns his word round and said " SM never said that SuJu is permanent group" , so that he can add more members to SuJu as much as possible, and kick the old one out .... We never want to see that, SuJu boys also don't want that (because they said so, not our guess ^_^ ) ...

Just give SuJu a chance to prove themselves.

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Guest aleena

sigh.poor henry.cant imagine how upset he will be with all this going on.the E.L.Fs are seriously over-reacting -.- its not like he's gonna be a permanent addition to suju.

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Guest BlissfulSimplicity

I understand where they are coming from, but they also have to realize...

Henry hasn't done anything wrong, to be treated that way...

Yelling that during his performance is so mean..

Goodness...

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I recognize that street! :lol: Been there once.

Anyway, I don't think those protests will do anything. This is their 3rd protest, isn't it?

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before posting your valuable comments in this thread;

i suggest you read this, this and this.

watch the following

suju talks about being a PROJECT GROUP

eeteuk talks about being a PERMANENT GROUP

Then you guys should listen to E.L.F.'s story...

translation included

kangin's speech on m!countdown

how important 13 is to them, really

" Super Junior can only perform with 13 members

Just like our 10 fingers, you can't do without 1

It's not a group of who's better or who's weaker

It'll be an awesome stage when 13 of us are together "

- Kangin

no one but ELF knows how important 13 is to SJ.

it's annoying reading all the 'henry is hurt' or 'it's unfair to henry' posts because whatever he's going through now, is NOTHING compared to what super junior is going through.[/rant]

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Guest keppy

i dont think super junior need more member !!

they are good as they are !!

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Guest I<3SunSunYeMi

i am totally against SJ-China idea,they will get a lot of anti in China,i am sure

and Henry better goes solo,he is too good being in SJ

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Guest melon;

READ CAROLYNX'S POST THATS 2 POST UP^ BEFORE REPLYING UNNECCESSARY COMMENTS.

Then you guys should listen to E.L.F.'s story...

translation included

I am quoting this again because i'm sure few people bother to see this. they just come in after seeing that 'interesting' title, read what is posted on the first page, didnt bother to find out about the whole story, and start replying & bashing the ELF and give their 2cents on how 'oh suju needs talent' 'oh poor henry.' 'the fans are stupid'

PPL, PLEASE SEE THAT VIDEO & READ THE TRANSLATION PROVIDED.

get to know the ELF's side of the story, understand their feelings, put yourselves in THEIR shoes.

Tuyen, ilu T_____T i really do T______T

I don't mind Henry joining Super Junior

He's really talented right?

Henry's incredible.

He just appeared in Don't Don MV and he's already that good, he's a new talent!

Ehk, those fans are really crazy.

I just hope Henry will be protected securely =)

Because he is probably pressurized now

Well~

At least they are adding a member, not subtracting.

If they were to take out a member, I'm going nuts for sure already

Your favourites are still inside the band right?

Hmm, i think the word 'TALENT' has a different benchmark in everyone's mind. I forgot to quote what someone wrote abt ppl might be over-rating henry but i totally agree to what she said. So far, we've seen him dance, and play the violin. Some ppl who reads a lil more abt him, understands that he's nt fluent in korean or chinese, and the only time i've seen him speak is a one or 2-liner in the making-of DD mv. i'm not bashing Henry but i wonder if he sings? or good enough since after all, SJ is a korean pop grp that does singing & dancing. Well if he's good at it, i'll take back all my words.

if it means adding IS better than subtracting, then SM can continue to add the 15th, 16th... 38th member to SJ? What he needs to do in order to add more members into SJ is to remain the 13, & then the 38th will be allowed to be in SJ?

One thing i want to mention is that, 'ONLY 13' means that 13 of them. Starting from leader Park Jungsoo to magnae Cho KyuHyun, not replaced by anyone. & i feel that its not exactly that we're caring abt the number 13, but what that 13 means. It means that 13 boys that work so hard uptil now where their 2nd yr anniversary is just a day away but only to be told that they're nt a permanent grp. All the hard work these 13 had done, the tears they shed, the joy they shared, the happiness they brought us, fans. & its that 13 that ELF are trying to protect now, because they're important.

I really want to thank the krn ELF for working so hard, trying to fight for our 13, and 13 only.

& ppl, read relevant replies of the story first before commenting on the topic. & no bashings needed. thankyou.

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It's not like they are cussing and throwing things @ the SM building. It's a silent protest. I don't get how you all are bashing them for that. Seriously.

Anyway, most of you said what I was going to say.

My signature says it all - so I don't need to explain much.

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I understand where they are coming from, but they also have to realize...

Henry hasn't done anything wrong, to be treated that way...

Yelling that during his performance is so mean..

Goodness...

Haha.. Yeah I agree that yelling during the performance specifiically during Henry's solo is really mean.. And I think this whole 13/14/+- topic is being overeacted at. I don't know what's going to happen to Super Junior but I just know I love them and what they do on stage.

And with this whole saga going on, I think Henry and Super Junior will be so stressed when they meet each other.. LOL..

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Guest xingjing

Like others, I think Henry's got... too much talent to just be added into Super Junior.

I mean. Seriously. I think SuJu can do without a member, but ELF is overreacting. And I think it's just mean for them to go against Henry...

How ironic, though. They're going against LSM, who actually put out SuJu in the first place.

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THANK YOU carolynx!

It's sort of annoying how everyone's like "Henry must be hurting" and "Poor Henry" and "Stupid fans are going overboard" when the people DON'T KNOW WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON.

Being 13 members is really important to SuperJunior as well.

Yes, Henry may be hurting, but Super Junior is stressed as well.

I'm not saying that EVERYTHING E.L.F has done is right [i.e. screaming at Henry], but this is actually PRODUCTIVE. It's a SILENT PROTEST, not a VIOLENT DEMONSTRATION.

The things E.L.F has done in the past has nothing to do with this. The "E.L.F is at it again" is not necessary. At what again? At defending the group they love again?

ABOUT HENRY

I have nothing against this boy.

He is awesome at violin and dancing.

But is he good at singing?

Will he get the publicity he deserves in Super Junior?

I don't really think so.

MANY E.L.F'S DO NOT HATE HENRY. THEY JUST DON'T THINK HE'LL DO WELL IN SUPER JUNIOR.

13 members is enough.

The SuperJunior members have stressed the 13 very often.

I think Henry would be more successful either on his own or in another group.

And with this whole saga going on, I think Henry and Super Junior will be so stressed when they meet each other.. LOL..

Um...they DO already know each other.

[[Henry was featured in Don't Don.....]]

BY THE WAY, I'm just wondering...apart from the ELFs in Korea, are there any protest-related events taking place online by the International ELFs?

->sjonly13.com<-

Like others, I think Henry's got... too much talent to just be added into Super Junior.

I mean. Seriously. I think SuJu can do without a member, but ELF is overreacting. And I think it's just mean for them to go against Henry...

How ironic, though. They're going against LSM, who actually put out SuJu in the first place.

Most of them are NOT going against HENRY.

And what I wonder...can Henry sing? Can Henry speak Korean OR Chinese fluently?

We have nothing to base on for talent other than his violin-playing and dancing.

Yeah, LSM put SuJu out, but he can easily bring SuJu down.

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So what's going to happen if Henry joins SuJu? I know you guys keep saying you have nothing against Henry, but he already has anti-fans in Korea.

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Guest BabyK

It's just a sub-group =.=;; They should just let it go. Doesn't mean Henry is gonna be a PERMINATE member. Only part of the sub-group

edit:::

Awww! Just watched the video and read the translation ;;_;; With the sad music and reading it really makes you feel for the ELF's. I think I understand how they're feeling... They love SuJu dearly and they don't want a change at all. Hmm... Henry should just go solo or wait until SM makes a new group XD But... I remember reading that Henry wasn't very fluent in Chinese or Korean O___O But he can speak English XD

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Guest mintiful

^^ said it over and over.. its not JUST a subgroup..!!

the subgroup is under the name of super junior.!

so how is he going to be in a sub group when he is not part of the whole group??

thats like lsm trying to make him in super junior in a sneaky way!!

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It's just a sub-group =.=;; They should just let it go. Doesn't mean Henry is gonna be a PERMINATE member. Only part of the sub-group

How do you know?

What just confuses me is...

I thought it was only a sub-group too, but Henry's picture is now on the Super Junior picture board in SM.

So what's going to happen if Henry joins SuJu? I know you guys keep saying you have nothing against Henry, but he already has anti-fans in Korea.

We have nothing against Henry.

Some, not many, some people are hating on Henry as if he's the reason that everyone's protesting, when the real protest is against LSM, not Henry.

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Um...they DO already know each other.

[[Henry was featured in Don't Don.....]]

OMG.. No offence but you just made me sound like I was dumb. LOL. Of course they ALREADY know each other and of course Henry was in Don't Don. Like DUH........................... everyone knows that. -_-

What I meant was with all these protests etc constantly going on and on, it kind of puts Super Junior and Henry in a weird position when they see each other during work and stuff.

Ok nevermind. Lol..

Super Junior fighting!!

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Guest flycrazily

lms doesnt need to add another member.

most of the members now don't even have that much air time

just look at ki bum. u barely notice hes even in the perf cause

he has close to zero air time.

i like henry and all.

but come on, is suju going to come up with songs for

him to have a solo violin dancing part everytime?

he's bettter off doing other things. this is bad publicity on his part.

im sure lms placed him in the don't don mv so the fans will

ease into henry and wouldn't mind him being in suju sub group

but its sorta back firing.

lms is saying hes going to be in the sub group

yeah right. i bet he'll prolly be added to the orginal group later on

after he get a larger fan base to support him. cause its sorta funny

to be added to the sub group and after that group get done. what is henry going to do?

of course lms want to push henry out to the public.

suju have a strong bond

after all those years of being a trainie together and like kang in

said 13 is the way they want to keep it. its their number.

lms should respect suju wish but pshh hes money hungry, he wont.

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OMG.. No offence but you just made me sound like I was dumb. LOL. Of course they ALREADY know each other and of course Henry was in Don't Don. Like DUH........................... everyone knows that. -_-

What I meant was with all these protests etc constantly going on and on, it kind of puts Super Junior and Henry in a weird position when they see each other during work and stuff.

Ok nevermind. Lol..

Super Junior fighting!!

Oh, I'm sorry -___________-;;

I didn't know what you meant...

Well, I don't really know about that.

Super Junior and Henry seem very close...

-____________-;;

@sweettart88:

Um.......most Henry fans ARE SuperJunior fans.

I know a friend who loves both Henry and SuperJunior, and is STRONGLY against adding him to SuJu.

Although we haven't heard Henry's singing, he would have greater potential alone or in another group.

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Guest infinityyy

Those who are complaining that ELVES should be ELF, needs to STFU. You don't know how stupid you sound. The topic starter was only putting it in plural form--(I'm assuming you guys know proper English and went to school).

Aigoo. Those fans don't take everything into account when they're doing this protest. They're hurting that Henry guy and getting Henry fans pissed off. I feel bad for that Henry guy, all he wanted was a career in the entertainment business -___-"

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