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Posts posted by rosamundekingsley99_stv

  1. 1 hour ago, Lawyerh said:

    @rosamundekingsley99_stvbtw don't you feel his hairline a bit funny? He look like Astro Boy haha



    But having said all that, I think I will continue revisit with ep7 someday. Cos I think some scenes do look interesting. Eventhough I braced myself for tragedy? Spy drama normally won't have rosy ending. 


    @Lawyerh So I kind of like the windswept look, except that yes, I do agree with you - there is an Astro boy feel to it.


    With any drama from this period, I brace for a sad ending.  Siege in Fog - case in point.  And this era was a deeply tumultuous period - no one who got through it alive was ever in one piece mentally, unless they locked away all the memories in a deep part, never to be taken out again.


    You know, I watched Li Man in a couple of episodes - I think that the problem with this drama on a couple of fronts:


    1) Ren Jialun is almost too "still waters run deep" for this drama - if you recall this era, it was all about partying away, hiding one's pain under a false pretense of sheer happiness and gaiety, as if one did not care about anything  - I can't ever see Ren Jialun playing that kind of role - that is more an Elvis Han type of role .  And again, there is no second guessing with any of Ren Jialun's character except with The Glory of the Tang Dynasty, and he had a baby face enough back then to pull that off.  Now he has hit over 30, Ren Jialun's features have matured that he can't pull that off now.


    2) I think that Li Man's character is too weak against Ye Chong -  she just seems rather hysterical like Qin Sang in Siege in Fog (until Qin Sang let go of her hate and recriminations to learn how to love again), and she just seems too meek and mild.  Because Ren Jialun pretty much captures the screen and has a large presence, he needs a strong female character against him, which is why Tan Songyun worked for him in Under the Power (which now ranks among my favorites).  I just don't understand Li Man's purpose in life or in this drama right now.


    3) I am sure that the censors had their reasons, but the editing is very choppy, and it's not clear what I am missing, but I am missing something.


    But again, I love the style of that era, so all the eye candy is great. :) 

  2. On 5/17/2020 at 9:51 PM, Lawyerh said:

    UTP under the power? I also think to try this. 


    Btw I think Allan Ren more suitable for wuxia drama. I felt, for republican setting his acting felt a bit stiff? The way he hold the gun, not the most convincing one either. Or maybe it's just me. The chemistry with the FL also felt a bit lacking. 


    The villain really steal the show imo. Have you finish this drama?

    @Lawyerh I would tend to agree with you about Allen Ren.  He is too fierce for a republican drama - he is too calm and lacks angst.  Although Siege in Fog had its flaws, the Republican era was so unstable so the emotions reflected should have been unstable too.  So even though Elvis Han over-acted, it was more reflective of that era.


    Allen Ren's characterizations always seem to present confidence and steel - and no wavering.  His characterizations are more about stoicism and repressed passions - during the Republican era, people were driven by passion and emotions ran high.  So wuxia does make more sense.


    However I love the costumes of the Republican era and all the sharp tailoring of that era.   Every male looks very smart and  sharp.  And evening formal wear elevated men to another level.  Great eye candy.

  3. 5 minutes ago, angelangie said:

    @rosamundekingsley99_stv very well said my friend....


    yes the love in between JinXia and LuYi is very steady and stable in a sense and also not to mention that they dont force each other to change and just be what they are.....


    JinXia didnt change her eating habits and also she didnt change her money loving self too to be the kind of wife that will promote LuYi's images....LuYi doesnt need that and doesnt wishes that on JinXia either....he love her as she is and she in return respect LuYi as she is too.....


    i know many ppl are disappointed in the lack of kissing scenes ahahah however like you actually i didnt feel it....as like what you had say it....the look in between the two of them and the touch that they sometimes unconsciously fallen into kinda like make up for all those kissing scenes and somehow feel more intimate in between JinXia and LuYi :) 

    @angelangie thank you and completely agree with you!


    And thank you for moderating!  I look forward to reading more of your posts.  I rarely post but this drama and a couple of others can get me there... have  a great week!

  4. On 2/28/2020 at 2:42 PM, angelangie said:

    Im not sure why i cant get over their reunion that happen when LuYi is released ....it touch a core in me.


    cr: as tagged


    @angelangie  I was actually thinking about this, why I respect and admire Lu Yi and Jin Xia in a way that I do not with drama characters generally - and it's because the two of them never manipulated each other in this relationship, and Lu Yi stayed consistent - neither character went on some stupid emotional binge.  Both wrestled with what fate had tossed them, and each dealt with that pain.  Both share a certain stoicism, loyalty, and unselfish love that often times we hope to aspire to in the real world.  They respected each other's abilities and each other's decisions - that is what love is - and in the first season of Well-Intended Love, the female lead states this while she is in the middle of falling asleep.  Love is hard, love is more like sand than cement, but if you can take all those particles and create something solid with it, then love can be tremendous - it is above all respect and loyalty.  Love kept Lu Yi going in his darkest moments, and why he had to clear Xia Ran's name - not only for Jin Xia, but for himself and the stain that his father's lack of courage left him.  He would not Lu Yi if he had not gone down that course.  On the other hand, for Jin Xia, despite the fact that she returned the bracelet, she always knew that Lu Yi would be there for her, and when he "stole" the exculpatory document from Jin Xia's closet, notice how she grabbed his wrist -  a move more common for the ML in an Asian drama to do.  And then watch as Lu Yi's hand curved into hers, palm-to-palm, skin-to-skin, heart-to-heart.


    By the way, I understand some of the consternation around the lack of traditional modern intimate scenes, but I actually enjoyed this drama with the minimalism of it.  I remember once in the drama Hwang Jinyi (Korean drama), that something does not qualify as dance because of costume and make-up, but because the rhythm and feel of the movements cause people to naturally follow.  Similar to that concept, we believe in Lu Yi's and Jin Xia's love because you can feel it even without the traditional intimacy - it is in the hand, the eyes, the "look," and the aura they project when they are together.  Immortal Lan read it well, because he had loved and lost.

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  5. 17 hours ago, lizzieyen said:


    What a lovely ode to LuYi and JinXia! Have you seen Glory of Tang Dynasty - RJL was really good there too which inspired me to write an article solely about his character. I totally agree with what you say - its not many OTP that can make you buy in to their lives together after they have walked off the screen and this is probably why Under The Power resonated with so many people notwithstanding that many would consider RJL and TSY the best-looking c-drama actors. 


    I totally agree w you on YZ too :)


    Happy Valentine's Day! 



    @lizzieyen by the way, where can I ready your essay?  Thanks!

  6. As I watch episodes 47 and 48,  I completely understand the consternation over Lu Yi's decisions in these episodes, but this is exactly why I respect this character and root for him. His love, his relationships, his persistence, his moral code - those make him Lu Yi and distinguishes him from his father, and his father knows this.


    And consistent with his character, Lu Yi is not acting dramatically but trying to figure out how to restore what was and bring the truth to light. Unlike his father, he is not willing to turn a blind eye, no matter the personal price he must pay. And he honors the memory of his mother by trying to protect Jin Xia from heartache, but alas, as one of Allen Ren's prior characters aptly quoted: "The human heart cannot be predicted and guessed at, but at the same time, it can't be ignored or avoided."


    And @lizzieyen thank you for your kind remarks!  Without English subtitles, I have a hard time understanding The Glory of Tang Dynasty... although I watched through all of it.


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  7. On 1/27/2020 at 8:30 AM, LuMNaL said:

    I wait for the drama under the power so long...and it didn't disappoint at all. Everything is perfect, the actors and there character, the story, costumes...


    The other drama which I waited, was the pillow book...but when they announced the actors/actress for this drama, I have not a very good feeling. And this "bad" feeling came up again, when I saw the first 3 eps. I have to quit....for me Vengo Gau and Dilraba Dilmurat have only the good looking, but there acting is so strange (for me really bad). 


    While Allen Ren and Seven Tan are not the most handsome/beautiful actor and actress, they reflect the character in novel. That is my own opinion. 

    @LuMNaL so I am sorry but DD as an actress, lord, she cannot act.  The King's Woman was ruined because she had only 2 facial expression - smiling and crying.  I refuse to watch anything with her in it that involves acting, but I will gaze at a still magazine shoot of her, because she is gorgeous.



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  8. On 1/24/2020 at 6:57 PM, lizzieyen said:

    It feels like there 

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    There was something that happened after the kiss (And it was edited) because LuYi’s reaction was quite incongruent . It’s one thing to deny the hairpiece but he actually sounded colder than he usually is to JinXia and he made her sad. That’s not really how he rolls! He maybe proud but no reason why he would pretend that it didn’t happen as he wasn’t drunk and he gifted her a special made hair pin (her name was engraved on it!)


    Ren Jia Lun is such a good actor. In episode 33 


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    When he was happy after gifting her the hairpin, his happiness was that of a male adult in love. Totally different from him being happy after completing an assignment and being recognized by the king or the completely innocent happiness when he was 8 years old. Different look in the eyes and smile! 


    @angelangie @lizzieyen Allen Ren will be one to watch because he seems to be an actual actor, as opposed to a celebrity who pretends to be an actor.  How he is in real life, and how he can transform into his character - that is the definition of an actor.


    The eyes are the gateway to the soul - so if you can act with your eyes, then you are an actor.



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  9. On 1/23/2020 at 7:41 PM, cheekychipmunk_stv said:

    This OTP chemistry is killing me. 

    I think of all Tan Sonyun's ML, she has the most chemistry with Allen Ren. Maybe it's Allen's electrifying eyes and Seven's puppy love eyes. :P:lol: Both simply brings out the best acting of each other. 

    @cheekychipmunk_stv yes, of all his co-stars, Allen Ren seems to have the best chemistry with Tan Songyun.  For a casting director, I wonder how they determine who will have the best chemistry with whom, because how the camera will capture their charisma (or lack thereof) is very hard to predict.  

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  10. First, thank you for all the insightful comments!  I loved reading everyone's interpretations on when Lu Yi and Jin Xia fell in love.


    My personal take - I don't think that it happened at any one defining moment; like the lead couple in The Story of Minglan (Minglan and Gu Tingye) - it happened slowly, so no one fell in love, but they just loved.  Which makes sense given Lu Yi's response at the table about what is more important than honor in episode 24: "Love.  Love, can also mean friendship and comradeship."


    I very much enjoyed The Story of Minglan because Minglan and Gu Tingye loved each other despite their flaws and misgivings. They learned to love each other despite being angry with each other and not liking each other or each other's methods of dealing with crises at times.  Sometimes we don't even like the person we love, and I am not sure that many of us recognize this contradiction - that is what is so peculiar about love.


    I actually was looking for another drama like The Story of Minglan, and although this couple in Under the Power is not married, Lu Yi and Jin Xia act as if they were already married.  They bicker endlessly, but subconsciously, they both know that they are safe with each other, and they complement each other. The fact that Jin Xia asked Lu Yi's assistance to find her family, that speaks volumes about the level of trust she has for him despite his being part of the imperial guard.


    In fact, Jin Xia explains why she trusts him despite his being part of the imperial guard when Lu Yi reverts to a 13-year old - he is ruthless but he is not heartless, and he does not ask anyone to do what he is not willing to do himself.  He puts others above himself - but most people cannot see that because of his tough, cynical exterior. 


    And why would Lu Yi grow up to be an externally compassionate individual?  His father is ruthless and seems to lack a conscious, and Lu Yi witnessed his mother's assassination.  I am just impressed that Lu Yi was able to recognize that Jin Xia would be his better half - that just indicates to me the high level of his self-awareness and emotional intelligence.  Watch him by his actions, not by his words.


    And that is where Jin Xia did not make the same mistake that so many others did - she looked beyond the embroidered brocade uniform, to the man and the heart beneath - she definitely sees beneath the surface, which is why Lu Yi respects her and her detective abilities.  And for a man who grew up in the imperial court, he appreciates her straightforwardness and her lack of guile.  And I appreciate that he does not put down her abilities but instead tries to enhance her abilities.  Unlike many men, he is not threatened by her.


    That is not to say that Lu Yi is perfect and neither is Jin Xia.  But together, they work well together, and they can build a life together.  


    And that is key about love - you have to continue building that life together despite obstacles and pain, because not every day will be sunny.


    And with respect to Lu Yi and Jin Xia, I definitely see their building a life together, just as I did with Minglan and Gu Tingye.  


    It is hard to write a drama that persuades the viewers to believe that this OTP will last beyond the fading screen - because real love requires you to love the warts too, not just the shiny, beautiful parts.


    This is the first drama I have watched both both actors, and I am impressed with Allen Ren's ability to communicate with his eyes.  Zhang Bin Bin tried very  hard to do this in The King's Woman, but he did not quite pull it off - of course, Allen Ren did not acquire this ability overnight - he is 30 whereas Zhang Bin Bin is only around 25.  But I have to say that generally, Allen Ren seems to fit a "uniform-driven" drama, whether it be Under the Power, or the Autumn Cicada that was supposed to come out 3 years ago.  There is a sharpness about him that makes sense for him to play the hard, cynical character with a heart.  His smirk/tilted smile is one of the few that works on the screen - he has a "je ne sais quoi" to him that most actors cannot pull off, and that is why they cynical roles fit him.  He reminds me of many of the actors from the Golden Age of Hollywood who carried this protective attitude well.


    And Tan Songyun played her role well - from playful, goofy, serious, "don't mess with me," to loving, conflicted, and caring.  Her eyes and impish smile were the best part of her - she is pretty enough, but her aura is warm and inviting.  She invites you to enjoy the joke with her.


    I also watched some of the BTS, and what I appreciate about both actors - they are not the most beautiful and charismatic, but they know how to evolve into their roles - they are actually acting, as opposed to being themselves dressed in costume.  Both are rather ordinary looking compared to some of the stars in cdrama land, but when they taken on a role, they both become the character and allow us to experience the character's emotional arc and evolution.


    And by the way, how Lu Yi gazes at Jin Xia - I have seen that before in real life - it does exist, but it does not happen often.


    To quote one of the songs from The Destiny of the White Snake (another Allen Ren role but he did not quite pull it off there... and for some reason, I have a hard time with Yang Zi dramas generally), ""you are the heartbeat that never stopped in the last lifetime/you are the mark on my chest in the next life/before seeing the outcome/how could I have forgotten about you?


    For those of you who celebrate Valentine's Day, remember that every day should be celebrating your loved ones.


    Thank you for reading.






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  11. 4 hours ago, enigmatic_zephy said:

    damn!.. and he really loved LCY's mom..


    its like father like son


    he killed his wife's family despite being in love with her..

    he killed her family despite knowing he had fallen in love with her

    @enigmatic_zephy  because history proves true - you end up trusting TOO MUCH when you love and when you have to maintain the august quality of the throne and its institutional power, you cannot afford to love and trust TOO MUCH.  We don't need LCY and XF to tell us that - just look at Roman history and Chinese history.


    4 hours ago, nuttyz said:


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    It was implied that the king killed Ming Yue's father in the end. The exchange was very cryptic and needs to be understood with earlier and later scenes. The king just said that he missed chen zheng (chai mu original name) all these years and now that he has brought down the gao clan, he can live his life as chen zheng. Chai Mu replied Chen zheng died a long time ago and chai mu will disappear soon too. 


    From what I understood very subtlely, the king did not like the fact that Ming Yue, Chai Mu and LCY deceived him and could potentially pose as a threat to his throne. He probably thinks with Chai Mu gone, he would not have any influence over LCY. The king is actually very cautious of powerful clans. When LCY visited Gao in prison, he asked Gao why would he kill his mothers family. Gao just laughed at him and said he is smart but also a fool, how could he have brought the strong Gu family down with the Gao family barely having any power at that time. Subtlely implying that the king had an implicit hand in it too. Hence, LCY was very disappointed with his father at his sick bed. 


    The beauty of this drama, all the subtlety... 


    @nuttyz but all this subtlety is purposeful in power dynamics - that is one of the most successful ways to flesh out your enemies - each person will interpret to his/her own advantage and purpose.

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  12. 5 hours ago, nuttyz said:


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    The emperor just went crazy after Ming Yue killed herself and the baby in her tummy. LCY told his father that he has never ever treated him as a son ever since young because he was worried that LCY would be closer to the Gao clan. It is only now when he is old he feels like a father. He also said that his father was the one who taught him to be manipulative with people he loved and that was what he inherited from his father. In all his glory during the emperor's rein manipulating and being extra wary of people, he probably never would have expected to have fallen (sick) over an escort(mingyue) *and an unborn child. Basically LCY telling his dad that he vows not to be like him in the future and will be a good king... 


    @nuttyz But you can't help becoming you are based on the environment that you are in, and in a strange sense, he has suffered the same ending as his father.

    37 minutes ago, gsmith said:

    Thanks to all for the enormous work in this forum! I have always felt the warmth with which you have provided the information you had at your disposal. Thank you.

    I have seen the images of the end and now I will wait to see it with subtitles in Spanish.

    It is a wonderful drama and the ending seems correct.

    XF pays with her death what she considers to be her fault: having taken GXW to her grandfather's camp causing the destruction of her family and her people.

    And LCY dies of old with nothing for what he fought all his life, not even the woman he loved.

    It is a politically correct ending. The truth is that it does not satisfy me because nothing that XF and LCY did during their life served. They fought and tolerated too much to never have a brilliant moment.

    XF can not change the story of what happened to her people. Although I understood that she makes promise to LCY that he would not get closer to her land, but nothing change the story or guarantees that another emperor will not do it. LCY fought for a lot of things and in the end he ended up with nothing. They were two lives full of suffering without ever achieving any happiness.

    I do not have enough with the image of the desert in which he looks for her and she seems to be waiting for him.

    My only criticism is to the writers and producers: if the drama was going to end badly they should have given the viewer more images of happy moments of the couple. Maybe like the ones they had at the beginning in State Xi.

    What I rescue most from this drama is that I manage to mobilize the feelings of the spectator

    Thanks for all the work. And maybe I'll change my opinion when I see the chapters to the end with subtitles.

    Greetings from Buenos Aires, Argentina

    @gsmith you hit the nail on the head - and I have highlighted that portion (thanks @USAFarmgirl!) - yes, LCY fought for his revenge and ended up with NOTHING.  As the Klingons stated in Star Trek, "revenge is a dish best served cold" -  and indeed, because you are left with NOTHING.

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  13. 9 hours ago, USAFarmgirl said:


    I love your post and most of all this portion for it's a great example and perfect not to mention I loved this drama too!  In fact in a lot of ways they have some things in common.  Great job!!!


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     Just wanted to hopefully help with your not knowing how to highlight.  Just cover the words with your cursor that you want to highlight and then press the A that is within the dark square next to the A with the line under it.  See the little arrow next the the darkened squared A press it and the color choice will come down and you can select the color you want and the words you have chose will change colors but not completely until you click anywhere within the post and it will then highlight.  I'm not very good at giving instructions but hoping you can make sense of my poor attempt...  :heart:


    @USAFarmgirl Thank you for all the helpful tips!

  14. 37 minutes ago, USAFarmgirl said:


    Great point and I understand your thoughts and it would seem there are a lot of viewers whom would agree with you and some are even angry at XF or LCY for all the missed opportunities and misunderstandings.  For not giving in or giving up even some thinking watching this drama  in the first place was a waste of their time.


    Yet I am not one of those and am still watching even knowing all I did and still do.  The fact that I love happy endings and try my best to stay away from sad or open endings.  Yet am still here says so much about the uniqueness of these actors and what they brought to our screen.  We each can and should have our own views for that's what makes it interesting.  Yet I truly don't think anyone can honestly deny the chemistry that just poured out of this OTP episode after episode.  To the point that our emotions are all different and torn and aching in the want and need for something other than what is being given. Even some lashing out because it feels as if someone has to be at fault when a story seems to sad to let go of and that why inside our heads and hearts can't be silenced.


    The truth is sometimes whether in life or in stories there isn't always a happy ending even if two people have love and even deserve it.  The hard part is accepting that they both suffered together, apart, and alone and never received the lifetime of happiness their love deserved. I have quoted this before when thinking about them, " So close and yet so far" but I was wrong for they were close enough to share, care, and yes even regret. 


    Still a part of me thinks that they married not once but twice and they loved each other and while young gave their hearts to one another of their own free will.  That there were moments of happiness and even gratefulness.  That loving even for brief moment is often a miracle in itself. 


    When I saw some of the spoilers about the ending I remember thinking that he was the last thing on her mind and I want to believe that she was years later the last thing on his mind as well.  Maybe it's wishful thinking but even though they didn't have a lifetime together.  Maybe for someone like me great love is in remembering and never forgetting that once there was love...


    Reminds me of a rather old song I hope no one will mind my sharing...  Sometime you can't help whom it is you fall in love with even when you can't be with them forever...

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    @USAFarmgirl I still have not figured out how to use the highlighter, so I have bolded the parts of your statement that I found intriguing.  To me, both had limited emotional growth potential because of the worlds that they occupy - they have to focus on self-preservation constantly - it is only when neither know who the other is when they were able to open themselves, and in that moment, that was probably the only moment of actual love - not the crazy romantic kind, but the kind that sustains throughout the river of life and adjusts to the curves, the disappointments and shared joys.


    You are right - they did not have the opportunity to experience love for a lifetime, but then again, they are not creatures who could make choices and mistakes that allow someone to experience love.


    I think that I read somewhere that the male lead here is not that different from the male lead in The King's Woman. Except to a certain extent, he knew that he would be lonely for most of his life because of the position that he occupied.  I am not sure that the male lead here quite appreciated all of that because he was so totally focused on revenge.  The male lead in The King's Woman wanted revenge, the girl, yes, but he also wanted to create a unified China - he had a goal that was beyond just personal vendettas, and so he had to give up everything else.


    There is a scene in Scarlet Ryeo (the Korean remake of Scarlet Heart) where the general asks the 9th Prince what he is willing to give up to attain the throne?  Once he knows that the 9th Prince can give up the thing he treasures the most, then he will support him.  And the 9th Prince ultimately did give up what he treasured the most - the woman he loved.



    18 minutes ago, Takingthehighroad said:

    Blaise Pascal wrote: The heart has its reasons which the reason knows nothing of


    Unfortunately, the heart & mind don't always work in tandem. It's the strength within us that determines whether we follow our heart or listen to our "reason." What a tragedy life is sometimes. 

    @Takingthehighroad - this is a great quote and Blaise Pascal understood the human mind and heart way better than most of us do in the modern era.  No, the heart and mind do NOT always work in tandem, and hence, you see all the reasons for the catastrophes, but also the miracles, and the sacrifices that people make.

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  15. On 3/21/2019 at 1:00 PM, piluche said:

    The end is coming and there's just going to be more heartbreak. Our mains aren't going to catch a break at all before they separate forever. LCY is such a pitiful prince who started out naive and innocent until revenge blind sighted him. Same with our princess, her happy bubbly life was cut short by her beloved. I think the ending is only right so that she can be free from all the heartache and he himself can be free from having to protect her. I like that it ended with her on opposite side of him because that's how it started with him, on opposite her grandfather's troops. 

    @piluche the beginning is the end and the end is the beginning; as for the river of forgetfulness, do have of us really ever forget?  We'd like to think that we do, but the bruise and the ache are still there - it is just not painful.


    And despite this drama's ending, neither of them will ever really escape from the mayhem of their emotions and the choices that they made.

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  16. On 3/20/2019 at 1:50 PM, furu.vu217 said:

    LCY hates walnut cake. Only Grand Dowager Empress know that, the person he truly believes in so he could relieve a peaceful sleep without being wary of anything. He acted so well that his childhood friend SS always beside him also mistook that he liked it.
    As he gradually steps by step to achieve the ambition he wants, when he doesn't need to wear that fake mask anymore, when he can openly loves and cherishes XF without having to fear anything, but unfortunately at that time she gave up her own feelings & love for him ...
    Acting your whole life, are you tired, LCY ?



    @furu.vu217  LCY can never stop acting - he has learned always to mask his true emotions because once he shows love for something, he has learned that it will be taken away from him - love is a fundamental weakness in palace politics.  And that is why we all watch and are grateful that despite the pageantry, we can choose to live our own lives and not constantly be playing a game of chess in order just to survive.

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  17. On 3/20/2019 at 7:16 AM, USAFarmgirl said:


    Thank you and no it's not mentioned in the drama for I just wrote it.  :)

    To me it was never the lack of love in him for her, for that was always there.  Rather it was the fate of unknowing how great that love was and just what she meant...:bawling:

    @USAFarmgirl or, not learning enough to let go of the past and be open to what could be in the future; when XF held too long onto GX, she failed to see what was right in front of her.  Destined to meet but not destined to be together... and maybe this love is not that great, because neither of them can let go of their fears to love.  Remember, love is about letting go and neither could let go of revenge (the male lead) and perceptions of a great first love (the female lead).

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  18. 23 hours ago, hushhh said:


    So it has ended.




    I finished watching 14 this morning.  I couldn’t finish it last night because the video and subtitles went out of sync at the moment when the scene repeat/overlapped. I’ve watch about ½ of ep15, again my video and subtitles went out of sync when Sunny met Wang Yeo.  And I watched 16 in its entirety.


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    1.     I wasn’t surprised that Sunny’s memory hadn’t been wiped.  It was clear when she saw Kim Shin in Ep14 she knew what was going on.




    2.     In the way that many people love DH, I love Secretary/CEO Kim.  That actor caught my affection with so little time on screen.  I felt as if he were the only true father figure he had.  The uncles were not able to raise him, and his grandfather seem a little distant/busy for the day-to-day parenting and discipline DH needed. Secretary/CEO Kim did that for him.




    3.     Since Kim is still the CEO I guess DH hadn’t matured into the job [or the actor’s schedule didn’t allow or he wasn’t up to pulling off the 30 year aging]




    4.     The story Core was situated in the three leads, Kim Shin, Wang Yeo, Ji Eun Tak.  Kim Shim was the tent pole and all the lead characters while having their own growth arc was there to facilitate Shin’s growth.  In my evaluation Sunny was a foil, a mcguffin, more than she was a fully rounded character with her own desires, drives and needs.  This is not a slam on YIN or even at the writer.  That is just how the story looks to me.  If you have narrative structural evidence that would prove me wrong, I’m fine with you sharing—so long as you are not attacking me or my opinions. Even with the female actors doing a good job, Sunny was just the reason for the conflict. 




    5.     Sunny’s disappearing was another sign of the character not being satisfyingly conceived. Her departure should have been more than another opportunity of LDW to cry, even if he does it well. 




    6.     The passivity of Wang Yeo character was consistent throughout.  He never reeeeaccccched for what he wanted. He would gesture towards it, and with the slightest resistance he would withdraw and cry.  Played by a less charismatic actor the character would be unbearable.




    7.     I enjoyed the Goryeo story but I’m not sure the characters were that well developed. The acting made it easy to overlook the flaw, but Wang Yeo just shouted, PJH schemed, (why no idea.  Yeah, he wanted power, but why?) the Queen loved, but I have no idea what she wanted.  Shin was the only developed character in Goryeo, but that doesn’t count because his Goryeo character is the same as his contemporary character.




    8.     I think the North/South couple was there to show that if your life was lived well, [you weren’t a nasty SOB] and you love was strong, then keeping your memories can have a good outcome. I appreciated Eun Tak’s refusal of the forgetting tea so that she could find Shin again.




    9.     I was bothered that Wang Yeo didn’t offer Sunny the forgetting tea.  I’m sure she would have refused, but the choice should have been hers.  Perhaps the creative team thought having her refuse would be anti-climatic because Eun-Tak had already had an emotional scene refusing the tea.




    10. Anyone who has read my post will know that I am obsessed by the class president. This series has ended with my curiosity unmet.  If she was there to show that Eun-Tak can have normal friendships with ordinary people I don’t feel as if she was integrated into the story well enough.  I feel as if she was cast to have a greater part in the story and they didn’t have the time or focus to develop that.




    I assume that Goblin in the protagonist not only because of the title but also because of how the story played out.




    Of the six (or seven depending on who is counting) narrative conflicts I would say the overarching one is Person vs. Fate/god/supernatural.




    Other less inclusive narrative conflicts showed up along the way i.e. person vs. machine/technology, the Grim Weeper and his telephone.




    I haven’t been able to settle on a story time for Goblin’s journey.


    Wang Yeo’s story is a rebirth narrative, except it is a ridiculously passive one. Instead of changing he waits out time. Maybe his loving is the change and I can’t see it because I left he love the Queen in the Goryeo period.




    At some point Goblin’s story could be considered an overcoming the monster story if we consider fate/destiny the monster.




    But in some ways Goblin’s story can be seen as a mistaken quest narrative.  Goblin’s quest was for death—that’s what he thought he wanted, but in truth what he wanted was love and life, and once he realized that he had to fight like hell to get it.  I’m not sure that is right but it is the best I can do.




    I often try to figure out what it is that writers want their audience to believe about the world and the human conditions.




    Sometimes these values can be culturally constructed and it is hard to discern them, or their nuances, if you are not a member of that culture.  To paraphrase Shakespeare “the Everlasting has fixed His canon 'gainst self-slaughter!” but I don’t personally believe that suicide is a sin worth 600 years in hell and 300 years plus on probation as a grim reaper as a form of divine punishment. The stumbling block is not the fact that a culture believes that suicide requires awful punishment but the way it is presented in the drama suggest that it is the WORST possible sin and gets the worst punishment. If I knew it to be bad but there were other sins that were punished more harshly I'd be more accepting.




    Thematically drama  . . .


    a-puts forth the idea that human desires coupled with actions are stronger than fate/destiny or human will can defy god’s scripts.


    b-reinforced the idea the gods, to human understanding, are capricious or worse mercurial.


    c-affirms that (true/fated) love survives death.  We had seen that with Wang Yeo and Sunny, it is redundant with Shin and Eun Tak.




    Looking at episodes 14, 15, 16 after Shin’s death there are questions in my mind what they are suppose to show us.




    -If it is “a” then Shin’s will allowed him to return. Yeah! But what is the point of Eun-Tak death?  If Eun-Tak’s death is to show us “c” it seems gratutious and redundant because the blindman and his dog, the North South couple and Wang Yeo and Sunny have showed up that repeatedly.




    I know when I first see/read a piece I am bringing my own value to it.  On each subsequently I hope to meet the story where it is and look at its internal logic and values.  Maybe on another viewing I’ll think differently.




    If anyone has any idea how Eun-Tak’s death enriches the story, with textual evidence I’d be interested in reading it.




    Beautifully put together; probably EunTak's death is about the sad eternal love.

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  19. 7 minutes ago, brose_stv said:

    First of all, this drama is meant to be somewhat tragic and somber. Just take a look at the full title. He's an immortal after all. Yes, it's tragic that he will have to witness the death of his beloved again, but that was his choice when he declared to the almighty that he wanted to remain.

    I liked the ending between the main couple. I'm fine with the writer sticking with the theme of death and reincarnation, considering that death and reincarnation were a major part of the drama ever since the first episode and that this drama is heavily steeped in East Asian philosophies and religions. Quite frankly, this entire drama is about death and reincarnation: the Eastern concept of death, not the Western concept of death. Death isn't seen as an end. Death is ethereal, not carved in stone. The ending, too, is not happy or sad, it's both. Personally, I thought the ending was beautiful and full of hope, and gave me a tingly mysterious feeling. I understand that some people may have wanted an ending that would've given them a warm fuzzy feeling, but when this drama is taken as a whole with respect given to the established universe, then the ending is quite appropriate and meaningful.

    Lastly, to those who are disappointed in the ending, may I suggest waiting until the subs come out before setting your opinion in stone.


    @brose_stv very insightful and yes, I would agree with you about this.

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  20. 10 minutes ago, nearsea said:

    That doesn't sound bad either. After all it's the journey that matters not the destination. So what's important at the end is their memories together may be. I think I can deal with this too. Hmm, sigh, this is a bittersweet ending after all. I hope @packmule3 writes a super-happy post  which would lift up my mood again, and I can move on with a non-heavy heart. :| 


    The Goblin has a duty to the world that he lives in - remember that he approached the king even though he knew that he would die and he would not succeed.  He is that kind of man - honor above all else and doing the right thing even if it hurts him.  And Ji Eun Tak knows that about him and accepts that about him -  many of the commentators on this bulletin board have observed that about the Goblin.  He is a man who can put up with a whole lot - he does not think that he can but obviously the deities think differently.

    Remember when he was lying down on the sofa in the Grim Reaper's bedroom, with his hands behind his head, and he wondered if the deities had given him more credit than he was due about what he could handle.

    We live in a world where we have fleeting moments of happiness and we need to appreciate those moments.  Goblin is about that and he accepts sadness and duty as his fate.

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  21. 4 minutes ago, Nymeria289 said:

    I hate open ends, that is exactly what happened here, imagine what you want. In my head, Eun Tak meets her Ahjusshi, they both live a long life and pass into afterlife together.


    Given that this is a fantasy, I don't think that the writer intended for this to be an open ending.  All the past shadows, resentments, oracles - those all had to be cleared off the table before Eun Tak and the Goblin could have their moment of happy-ever-after, even if it were only for 80 years.

    This time, they meet and they meet without the past hanging over them.  And if it is only happiness for this lifetime in the future, then that is enough.

    We don't respect happiness when we feel it all the time - we only respect it when there are contrasts to it and we understand that the other feelings can be interpreted as happiness.

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  22. 4 hours ago, pnaysurfer84 said:

    And it ended with a SAD LOVE. well. I feel very empty maybe because it's an end to a good drama. I can't say I didn't like or liked the ending. I think their soul tie is a bit stronger now that there is no revenge involved. ET had to die. But I'm satisfied with what the 2 episodes showed. I felt the love with all the characters today. Maybe, this is the happy ending for the Goblin. In the end of it all, he already chose when he came back from limbo. He needed to pass on to the after life but he didn't. I'm not going to hunt down KES. I think this is as good as it gets, culturally. btw, I got the wedding I've been waiting for since they kept saying she was the Goblin's bride. That's all that mattered. And now to wait for subs!


    I don't know that it was necessarily a sad ending because it came full circle.  I don't know that we understand what "eternity" actually is and this drama wrestled with all our cultural interpretations, longings, resentments and joys.

    The key message probably is to live in the moment and to make sure that those you love know that you love them.  Don't get lost in the small petty things as the deities do and often times, human beings do, as we witnessed whenever the Grim Reaper sent people off.

    Waiting is important even when we don't know what exactly we are waiting for and being comfortable with that lack of knowledge - that is maturity.

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