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7 minutes ago, carolinedl said:
Ah thanks a lot! I knew I had heard it; it was faint but it was there!! That 맞다!!
Thinking back, I thik that moment of realization then, him realizing that he had loved her might be related to that last scene, the one after the credits and in the restaurant in Quebec. That when he had seen her future self, he already loved her then. That vision, that moment when teh vision happened, he was already loving her? Perhaps?
Or is he referrring to some other moment that we don't know just yet?...
18 minutes ago, hairuchii said:I believe this is what he said..? Although I have been having private Korean language lessons, I still read better than I listen.
"나도. 사랑한다. 맞다.... 그것 까지 의미가 이였다." (Nado... Saranghanda. Matta... keugeot kkaji euimiga iyotta.)
Translation: Me too... I love you. That's right. Since that time, I have done so.
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I read somewhere on this thread that "사랑한다" (Saranghanda) is old language. Not necessarily. It's just on the same level of politeness as "사랑해요", perhaps a little more respectful.. It makes Kim Shin's honest confession all the more poignant, as he holds her tenderly. He feels so much respect for her, and she is so precious to him.
The last sentence "그것 까지 의미가 이였다" should have been literally translated as "that meaning had been there 'since' then". This is the case of the language not being as easily translated into English and still retain its intended meaning.
I have some issues with "그것 까지" if I have not misheard what Kim Shin said... because it should translate into "till then" or "until that time". For his words to mean "I have loved you SINCE that time". It should have been "그때부터 의미가 이였다" (I have loved you since that time..). I guess it's understandable why there are so many conflicting translations. Dramafever and VIU have both translated this sentence as "I have loved you since then".
I am waiting for anyone who could determine what Kim Shin said exactly. I hope this is of some help though!
?? Actually I took I to mean: "That's right... that (having found love) made it [the 900 yrs of loneliness coming to an end) worth it"
" 의미"= meaning/significance....
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I just find it plain hilarious in the Bonnui drunk scene BTS Junyeolie is drinking water on the floor when a passerby recognizes him-- he's so surprised to hear someone call out "Isn't that Ryu Jun Yeol??!!" in the middle of the street that he spat out his water ROFL everyone on the set cracks up
Of course he can't forget his manners and after he recovers himself, he wishes the excited passerby to get home safely LOLLL
kekekeke he's still getting use to his fame
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My ending thoughts on TWTWB:
I haven’t watched since ep 12 i think… and even though I really enjoyed much of this drama, and even though I really loved OY and OS’s characters in what I have watched… unfortunately i don’t think I’ll go back to watch it. I dunno but the whole I think you’re my brother, but then somehow my heart tells me otherwise and I’m falling for you thing… ummm never really convinces me. Perhaps it’s because I’ve never met anyone who’s done that in real life, but though Noh really put a lot of thought and exploring into humanity on multiple fronts, I thought the transition of OY suddenly feeling romantically for OS came a little jolting, and from then on I kinda lost connection with the story<– for which I'm really sad =(
From what I read in ep 16 recaps, I don't think I'll like watching it. It's great they can love each other now (I'm on the side that Soo and OY survived) but when I REALLY care about characters in a story, I WANT to see/be part of the journey when they get to reconcile and work out the hurt between them. I'll say that OS and OY had that chance, though the whole it took me 6 mths to pull myself together and see you face to face again cuz I felt a bit ashamed, and then uh… with my first official meeting with you I kinda prank and pretend I'm not me, thinking/joking along as if you still can't see– that whole thing still felt weird… Do people who finally meet each other after a long time, having had guilt/wronged issues between them before really have their reunions? o.O
But JS and OS's "conflict" felt neglected. When we see the first part of their big… blow out let's say, when JS stabbed OS… that was SUCH a powerful point of tension… but then just to have them time jump and JS+HS sending Soo flowers felt like the cliff hanger became literally a cliff that fell off to a bottomless pit… but promising an "other side" across it with rainbows and flowers (teehee, pun) it felt like JS's friendship with OS got the short end of the stick for the sake of romance. And poor MC… he barely had his presence felt in this episode.
It sounds like I'm full of complaints, haha but I'll give some praises too =P On a positive note, with this drama almost following the heels of NG and sharing many plot-device similarities, TWTWB has come out stronger than NG on many fronts. I really liked the strengths of both dramas very much, but overall, TWTWB stayed more realistic lol. Though the endings of both dramas kinda made me feel bummed out for the what-could-have-been's at least TWTWB stayed relatively within the confines of reality XD
Also, I think it was quite cheeky of the director in his camera usage in the OY-post-operation scenes– where there's only a center of clarity, surrounded by cloudiness. From what I read, I understand that OY's sight is restored, but not completely? So with that fuzzy periphery camera-work, it's as if we're seeing things through OY's eyes now, with clarity on images that OY's focusing on. If that's what the director truly intended, then haha that's cheeky and cool. That's also why I don't think that whole part was OY's dream-world
Anyway, it's been fun discussing this drama with everyone~ let's meet again sometime in another thoughtful drama piece =P
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tessieroo said: @hartofseeker - You're reading my mind. I agree 100%. I'm truly surprised Writer Noh went there but I'll get over it. I haven't watched a melo that made me angry/upset/confused like this for a long time so I'm out of practice.
When I think of how much time Soo spent trying to impress upon OY the need to ask for help from others...and the she seemed to get it - I get mad all over again. -
@tessieroo see the thing about these people who are going through an unimaginably difficult time is that we don't want to affirm the wrong decision to selfishly end their lives. What we DO want to encourage is that they reach out to people around them for help and support... I'd say any day that even someone who completely crumbles in weakness and in the most undignified manner cry out and try to hold on to someone beside them that they're suffering and need comfort-- that's better any day than one who says "forget it, I don't want to fight anymore, so I'll just give up, regardless of what others may say"... because the former is saying I still want to live.. I want to live really badly, but I can't do this on my own.
Willingness to acknowledge and address your weakness is a thousand times braver than backing out of/escaping from the struggle. THAT'S someone I can whole-heartedly cheer for. I care about OY but she just needs to learn
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stephanella said: Many feel Youngie's suicide is unforgivable but you never know that helpless feeling of a terminally ill patient who is waiting to die. I volunteered at Wish Foundation, an organization's mission is to grant a terminally ill children's last wish and i know the physical torture they had to go through for the chemotherapy and the emotional turmoil that they have to accept that even they want to live they have no choice but to accept fate. They ask Why me? If you haven't lost someone who is terminally ill, begging you to stop the torture by trying to rescuing them, just like Youngie's father, they are in suffering and pain. It is beyond reasoning that they can still think of how other people feel. In the beginning Youngie discovered her relapse, she wouldn't want to do surgery because it is a scary, horrible experience that people like you and me wouldn't understand because we never go through it. Try to put yourself in a terminally ill patient, who know that you are not going to survive and yet have to suffer all those physical torture and emotional turmoil again (knowing you are not going to survive) without your love one by your side. DEPRESSED.
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faythe said: I like Young, but I wish her character was stronger. She's a bit weak. I understand that she's lonely because the ones she loved most left. BUT she was the one that kicked her out. I don't blame her for that because I would have done the same thing. But if she was going to be like this, she might as well just take a blow to her pride and keep them. OS was right in that she's selfish. How would SW and OS felt if she died by her own hands? It's one thing if she died by natural cause but it's another thing if she died by suicide. They would never be able to move with their lives because they will always be haunt with the thought that they were the cause of it. If her intention was to punish them, then I think she succeed with her suicidal goal.
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ugh… now i REALLY wonder whether i’m going to catch up on all the episodes or not… probably not… and just sit in to watch the last episode to see if Noh gives the explaining that she needs to do
Yes I get that Young has the double whammy of sending out from her life the two people that both cared for her and had hurt her the most and so the vacancy/emptiness is twisting her insides… but… from this to actual suicide… I mean, if it was because she just happened to be alone and emotions overwhelmed her, that's one thing and I would understand that... but here, the people who she didn't send away, did everything they could to support her, be there for her. They all knew that she was emotionally fragile. But she totally planned this, sending everyone away so she could be alone and slit her wrist??? I think the transition needs some working on. Youngah... what the heck were you thinking?btw i think i’m going to cry like crazy at MC’s stab scene… it’s SO unfair. what the heck is wrong with that kid? does he NOT have a brain in that head of his?? what kind of a future does he want for himself? He gives the excuse that he needs to get into this line of work for his family’s sake… but including murder? that’s not what you do for your family, that’s just foolishness, where you’re just trying to prove your “worth” to something you’ve idolized, to something that is so unworthy of your efforts. MC had been so civil in sending him away, really. He beat him up badly ONCE and the other times were just threats. It drives me bonkers as to what has blinded him so much from taking the NO as a no. Foolish, immature pride at work– where he can’t take a rejection like a true man and look elsewhere for work. Instead, he takes offense and becomes obsessed with proving MC wrong.
Let's just say that I'm really, really upset. MC ah~~ Q__Q and he was all alone... glug glug glug in tears*
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@sunshine4ever eh... yeah I've been writing here and there on this thread... it's just this thread moves so ridiculously fast (not that it's a bad thing at all) it'd be hard to catch stuff unless the person posts like 5-6 times a day on it hahaha. I'm honored that you find my posts insightful~ If you really want to check out what I've written before on this thread, you can click "Posts" under my profile page and go back that way =P
@tessieroo We know that SW isn't ENTIRELY evil because it's VERY obvious that she cares about OY... though to what degree the love's been twisted beyond acceptability is hard to tell, since we can't take OY's word/way of interpreting things 100% and there has yet to be concrete proof of some of the stuff she's accused of. It's all fuzzy there. Still, we can't strip her of appropriate credit in making sure OY can survive despite being blind (again, I still have to wait and see if she indeed let OY be blind just so OY can depend on her, so we'll set that aside for now)
But you're definitely right that she has little regard for OS's well-being. She's pretty one-track minded in caring only for OY, and by extension, the company. So yes, she's using OS to convince and encourage OY. In fact, she's scarily apathetic, even though clearly knowing that OS sincerely loves OY AND what it'd mean for OS if she simply let "karma" take care of the rest... It's... almost an obsession, the extreme concern she shows for OY vs. the extreme apathy she shows for anyone else, including ppl that OY cares about. shivers* -
@sunshine4ever omgosh... that scene from their fight in the room to his ultimatum on the mountain-top was a highlight of Ep 11. From then on, it was a story of the patient who gave up on herself and of the people/family who love her (not just romantically, but something more intimate), wrestling with her to get her to want to fight again.
This is more from the viewpoint of OS/family of the patient:
From the shock and distress of finding out her relapse
To the fury obsession of finding a way to save her
To the pain and frustration of OY's apathy. He gives her a taste of her own medicine (and here is why OS beats our SW in getting through to OY: SW strong-arms her to follow instructions, taunting her vulnerability-- which OY is super sensitive about-- "Too bad, I will make you do it even if you don’t want to– and it’d be easy because you’re blind (i.e. don’t bother fighting it because you’re powerless)". OS on the other hand confronts her, and wrings from her the excuse that because she "can’t see", she’s not culpable of the pain she gives to other people when she makes those choices), he lashes back at her for the pain she gave him.
It's one of those times when you throw your hands up and wonder why you're fighting for this person anymore when they gave up on themselves. "Forget it! Since you're abandoning yourself, then fine! I'll cut you off too!"
"Evidence [his taking pictures]. Today is the day I abandoned you. Put these photos in your hideaway room and if you happen to be able to see, look at this picture. And even if you're still blind, don't forget I abandoned you [today]. While you're alive, you want to make sweet memories with me before you leave? [guess leave here means die?] Forget it. You don't care at all how I'll feel after I leave [is this a typo? supposed to be you instead?] here, huh? The fact that I'll yearn for you, miss you, want to touch you, you don't care. Because if you die, that's it. If I knew what a disrespectful brat you were a bit sooner...making food with you, listening to the sound of snowflakes with you, holding you, those painful, unforgettable kind of memories --- I wouldn't have made them. During that time, if you made those memories just to die, then I'm going to make new memories to live. I'm going to live! If I have only painful memories with you, then it's going to be easy to forget you after you die. That's why I'm like this. Because I have to live even without you. Even without you, I have to live in this disgusting world!"
I wanted to cry as he said those lines (I just have to put your quote back in here)... But once they show any sign of getting back up and desiring to live, you will jump back to fighting at their side without a thought (when OS finds OY's writing in the snow).
Exhilaration when he finds a chance for her to recover
Shattered when he is told that there is no hope...
Am I the only one who feels that OS and OY (i.e the writer who penned them) is no longer simply telling the story of a couple, but speaking for all terminally ill patients out there, and for their family/loved ones?
@ZarraJae thank you for your mention~ that's so sweet of you. Hugs* for what you had to go through =[
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I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm loving ep 11 just as much as I'm loving ep 5 and 10...
Ep 10 made me bawl twice. the first time was the fight OY had with SW. it's been a while but it's impossible to doubt SW's sincere care for OY's welfare. Yes she's a hard-liner and hard to like person, but even OY can't deny that SW cares for her. You know, their whole fight feels like the ones I have with my mom. SW is one of those tight-fisted moms, who love their children A LOT but sometimes they're so focused on making their child strong and protecting them, including by shielding them in, that they forget that their child needs time to breathe too. These mothers take a lifetime to learn the balance of being a caring parent and not depriving their child basic autonomy... the stifling type. And OY wasn't lying when she said she doesn't HATE hate her... it's not that simple. She's angry that SW broke her family apart, but she's thankful that SW built her up to become someone who can survive well as a blind person. Hatred and gratitude... what a dizzying combination of emotions that you can have towards someone...
My mom tells me the same thing oftentimes: you hear all those praises from people about you? Don't puff up with pride and think that all the praise is yours-- remember the one who taught you how to become a great person like that. Yes, OY is smart, bold, and independent... but just having these temperaments alone won't carry her far if SW never FORCED her to learn to use the computer or learn braille or everything else.
The second time I bawled in ep 10 was when OS begged MC. Why? Because from that point on, everything that he did EXUDES the desperation of someone who's desperate to save the life of someone as dear to him as his own blood: he's exhilarated when he hears hope for OY, and broken when that hope was crushed. Yes he's spurred by his romantic love for OY but we'd miss the point if we focus on just that. OS is still playing that double-role: OS-who-loves-OY-as-a-woman and OS-the-older-brother-who-protects (Soo) and haha probably doing a better job in the latter part than the real brother of OY; he's really sweet and kind... but probably not smart enough to maneuver SW, MH, and OY herself. This is what I really appreciate about TWTWB: it's so much more than the usual romantic story of "We're attracted to each other, and after spending some time together, I can't bear to be apart from you because you make me happy".
Between OS and OY exists the symbiosis of I value and appreciate YOU, who you are, your existence, etc. and through your valuing and appreciation of ME, who I am and my existence, I've learned to cherish and appreciate myself--> combining as a circle where each person in the relationship has someone valuing and appreciating them and feels the same way about themselves. The two of them had serious issues with the last part-- valuing themselves: OS was the fighter who'd fight to live till the end but he saw nothing good in himself, OY felt that she's not worth enough to keep fighting even though there seems to be no hope.
But when they came together, you see repeatedly they challenge the other person to value themselves: OY saying that OS deserves comfort and understanding, someone to stay with him despite his errors; OS saying that OY is valuable to others, and therefore is she doesn't value herself enough to fight for her life, she's being selfish and inconsiderate of the people who are left behind. It's funny because as much as SW is not OY's real family, just like OS is not OY's real brother, the two of them fight for OY's survival as hard as any person would fight for a gravely ill family member. That shot of OS and SW looking up at OY in her windowsill captures just that: they may not be going the same way but they both pour their attention on her survival, ironically from a distance because they're technically not her family.
This is a far cry from those melodrama romance movies with cancer. The love is not a "love" of transient, euphoric, passionate emotion, but a love of the person's very being; the pain of having someone you love having cancer isn't just pain because something I am affectionate of will be taken away and my enjoyment of it will be cut off, but from the impending loss a person you value, and that such a wonderful person will no longer exist on this earth.
It's more than a glorified romantic chick flick because as much as it has two people romantically involved (in fact *now dom't throw stones at me for saying this but* for the first time I was kinda annoyed by the song choice of a drama i liked. Look they're very beautiful and I still love the song by The One, but the lyrics felt like they belonged in those glorified romance movies and so when the really emotional parts came, with appropriate silence to give space the emotion, I felt really annoyed when they played the song cuz the lyrics felt distracting... it didn't really... fit?)
This story is of a terminally ill person's fight/struggle at death's door, one that happens in real life... and not so much with death itself as much as a wrestle between a terminally ill person and the people who care about them.
Ok... wayyy tooo long, this post. Will need to come back if I have more.
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I love softy's thought here:
I started crying when Soo got that threatening text from Sora cuz he wasn’t even fazed. He doesn’t care if Young knows the truth about him cuz the only important thing is to save her. He seemed numb to anything except the fact that Young’s surgery doesn’t have a chance of success. He was so happy and giddy during their snowball fight, but now he has swung the other way mood wise. Nothing can cheer him up now cuz losing Young means he loses everything. He has never wanted anyone to live this much. All those other times, I think his impulse to kiss Young was predicated on his attraction, but now it’s based on something entirely different. He wants to spend the rest of the time she has left doing things the right way. No more hiding behind the excuse that he is her brother. Even though she cant see, he wants her to see him as a man who is in love with her now. <-- I think that's very well what he intends to do. his visit to JS's parents seem like he's anticipating his own death. whether that sentiment lasts or if it's just an emotional thought after hearing OY's prognosis is hard to say because I don't know what to make of angry Dr. Cho strolling out of OR in the preview
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Now I'm even more worried/weary. I don't mind the plot movement in the whole debt/identity revelation/ search-for-cure department-- i thoroughly welcome it. But I don't know how my brain's going to take this FULL-BLOWN faux-cest thing. Are they going to convince us that blood's thicker than water... the other way around, where even though you believe with all your mind that he's your older brother, your heart will tell you otherwise and you can fall in love with him romantically? the trajectory from OS's end i have no problem with but from OY's side.... writer is going to really have to put some skill to her story-telling there
by the way, I'll come back soon to rant about how much i loved episode 10... i loved it as much as I loved episode 5. Ep 5 was the BEST episode to me in the series-- the OS episode. Ep 10 is now also the BEST episode to me in the series-- being an OY episode. -
haha writer, I gotta hand it to you. OY is far, far from dumb. Honestly, all the reasons OY confronted OS with for why he didn't give her the pill were all reasons that OS must have thought of himself as he found himself more attached to her. No, those were thoughts he legitimately had of her before: my human conscience is saying no to this... to see this girl I'm lying to, she's so happy just because her brother came to her... she's pitiful and I feel sorry to her... and then OS finishes the progression himself: Ah... I love her too much to harm her in any way. He was ALSO telling the truth that he had intended the pill for himself.
And OY's lash at OS for saying that he can end things by leaving? It's truth staring at OS at the face: if he leaves, it would end for him-- both this lie and possibly his life... but what of OY who is left behind? It's the fight of people who have lost their sight. They've lost something that gives them autonomy, and no matter how bravely they try to make up for this loss with the other sense and tools, the vacancy CAN'T be entirely filled. There would be times where they're much more vulnerable and dependent on those who don't have this loss... and how cruelly can they "just leave" because they don't commit to these sightless/disabled individuals.
I think this is the fullest fleshing out of OY's character in this episode. And through her, we're given a picture of the experiences and hearts of those who are disabled... -
Hey, random question: does anyone who watch C-subs know what's going on? usually they post the episode 3-4 hours after the episode finishes broadcasting... but it's still not around today.... (finding it strange)
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omgosh... i read softy's recaps really quickly and there's a whirl of developments. I'm tentative on the emotional part of this episode, but I'm going to save it till those C-Subs come out so i experience it full-blown... but just seeing ep 11's preview I feel like crying... btw, softy has some awesome points at the end of her recap, check it out
I just want to say... as much as we argue back and forth about OY's death wishes, why can't we sit down and understand that (a) she DOES want to live, that's why she was angry at the thought of her oppa wanting to kill her ( she IS HUMAN, and therefore flawed. She IS afraid of her illness, she doesn't want to confront it and so she gives herself the excuse of just dying and getting it over with... and lies to herself that she's prepared/preparing for it.
This basic struggle of terminally ill patients... can we be understanding towards that and not get mad at them for wanting to die? No, they shouldn't just die without fighting it out, but let's not scorn them for their weakness -
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My rudimentary translation for extended preview. @monchoo You are the best for sharing the link!:
JS runs through the hospital frantically asking where the ER is. Doctors point out the direction to them. Cuts to:
SW: The reason that Oh Soo is dangerous to OY... is it because of his 7.8 mill debt? How did he incur the debt?
Sora: OS is a gambler (something about a sponsor... I'm guessing that she's saying he ran off with his sponsor's money) But he ran away from his sponsor on the day he was suppose to repay the money. He's currently____
OY: what did the doctor say?
OS: Please... ____
OY: Ah, my guess was right.
OS: They say that it'll be fine if you have surgery.
OY: When I was six they said that I'd be fine if I had surgery. That I'd be fine if I went through chemo 20 times. That I'd be fine if God willing it never comes back... They sure speak those words easily.
OS: Since it's alright to be not ok... should we cry?
OY: No, I'm not interested/I don't feel like it.
(OS lies down next to her anyway, and she cries as he holds her hand)
JS: You're about to be killed ___ what do you mean you don't want to _____??!! Sora is after you, Moochul is coming down on you too. You have less than 20 days now. Go and confront Lee Myungho right now-- these pictures should be enough. Show them to MH and make him give you the money.
OS: I won't be able to get money from MH
JS: Whether or not you can get money out from MH (cut's off here but logically the rest should say) how would you know without trying?!! -
oof it's lagging really badly on pooq (i think too many ppl are trying to see it)... will have to wait for the kind soul to post it on youtube instead..... =[
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Fidelity said: hartofseeker said:
Episode 10 preview from DC (a teeny insert of new dialogue i believe... but Korean's too limited to know what was said):
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DC's most recent news bit about upcoming episode (not info that would surprise us):
Upon discovery of OY's brain tumor relapse, OS goes to MC and begs on his knees before him in hopes of saving OY. But OY refuses to have surgery and is instead, determined to get married.
It's hilarious in my discovery of this cuz i'm on DC, see a thread with the words "preview", click it open, and see screen caps of another drama o_o and then i realized on the very bottom of those screen caps were the above written preview going across the bottom of the screen hehehe....
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Episode 10 preview from DC (a teeny insert of new dialogue i believe... but Korean's too limited to know what was said):
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Dangit... I finally understood what OS was saying in Ep 6 when he almost kissed OY... I love the translators for doing their job so well and so insanely fast, but maybe I've just been too tired lately... that line confused the heck out of me when I watched it both English and Chinese subs... anyway, I replayed that scene a million times and finally got this out of it (remember that this is after he wondered to himself why in the world a guy like him, who has no good reason to live-- he can't even think of one himself-- would be so desperate to stay alive that he'd spew all these lies to this poor, blind girl"):
I've said (before, that): "Life's not really that big of a deal." When I said that "Life is just living"... all those things that I said... were they all in fact lies? Moments like this one right now--had there been just once in all my life, in which I had unknowingly anticipated them, (craving it to the point of losing my mind)? Damn it... what the heck am I doing right now? ... Crazy bastard...
I'm sorry... I'm just super anal... and not knowing what he was saying in this all important moment and why-- it just drove me nuts. I've said I loved his existential question about his despicable desire to live.. but at that point, I only understood half of it because I couldn't understand this second part. But now... *exhilarated*
It's more than just wondering what right he had to do this to OY, considering how unworthy he is... but here he's asking an even deeper question... does life mean more to me than I'd previously thought? More than simply "wanting to live because I'm alive atm"... a statement that's so beast-like? Seriously, that's what I felt when I first heard it... animals think like that-- they do everything for the sake of surviving, driven by this hollow fact: they are living, breathing, eating, and ____ (fill it in yourself XP )... there's no "other reason" of worth. So OS had been living like an animal all these years (!) and we see that he's frustrated with this animal-like desperation of his (think his confrontation with HS on the rooftop)... precisely because this exemplifies his depravity of something that makes humans human...
but now... he's questioning it... was it because he's been having such a hard life, he's been fighting so hard to stay alive all by himself... that he never realized that he had in fact, owned this piece of humanity in him? "Ah... so I'm not an animal/inhuman like I thought..." That he also had a reason to live/survive-- because he had craved and anticipated for "this moment"? And what the heck IS "this moment"? Is it really just the romantic feelings he has for OY? There's gotta be more than just the urge to kiss him...
And I find these when I look back at how we came to this scene: OY trusts him... OY is desperately in need of the privilege of trusting him... that he's a good person ("he" is used loosely here considering all the identity cross-wire with him playing the role of her dead brother... but so much of her desire and willingness to trust "her brother" comes also from OS's actions, which proved that he "genuinely" and increasingly GENUINELY cared for her... so she's trusting not just because he's "her brother" but because of OS's own actions) OY finds a pleasant fragrance from him (while he finds himself a foul, decaying garbage to MC... a condemned/guilty man to HS for HJ's death... an unwanted son to his birth mom...and a failure at being a good brother to JS, at being a good son to JS's parents... the only people who wanted him to be their family... he'd thrown so much people to the wayside because of his obsession with staying alive (think HS's outburst after smacking him, and JS's bitter words when before going off to do another delivery))
... so was THIS what he yearned for? the approval from someone else that he, and what he does... is good? that someone else NEEDS him to bring joy into their lives?
and that connects with the other REALLY crucial scene (for me) in ep 7... when he tells OY ambiguously about his own history, as if it belonged to someone else... and what OY said... that yes, as a human being (ah... she affirms his humanity for him) he too needs sympathy from others when he's having a hard time. That yes, he made a mistake that should not have been done... but it shouldn't be the reason that his human dignity is taken from him. And boy, I think he's surprised that for once, he's receiving comfort from OY (when he kept seeing himself as the protector and comforter of OY)...
is this what he craved for? That as a human, he gets to enjoy a relationship with another human being in which they bring each other joy and comfort each other in sorrow? Someone that will tell him that he's wrong when he's wrong (instead of going along with his immoral deeds in the end... like HS), but would still be willing to stick through it with him as he tries to take responsibility/bear the consequences for his actions?
These 2 episodes weren't as breath-taking for me as ep 5... but for moments like these, I appreciate them =]
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Kgrl said: @ZarraJae, hiya hon! I just couldn't resist. I'm really supposed to be staying away from Soompi since this year has just been crazy so far with work...but I succumbed.
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I have to say I'm pretty sure OS is still very keen to run for it, as in he's going to try to tie all things up before he leaves...thereby, the date and making sure she gets a proper checkup at the doctors. It's not just OY's reliance and attachment to OS that's unsettling him, it's his own attraction and deep protective instincts for OY that's scaring OS. And if there is anything to glean from OS's previous relationship with his dead pregnant girlfriend, it's his deep distrust of and lack of confidence in himself. Everyone, especially OS himself, doubt his ability for goodness and responsibility. It's almost like he's trying to meet everyone's low expectations for fear of disappointing himself and others should he try and then fail. OS needs to get beyond this b/c he is obviously not at the point in his life to understand the meaning of living.
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clockwatcher said: Yes, it's definitely a lot slower than the previous episodes.
I'm actually not mad at Myung Ho. He's no worse than Oh Soo at this point. I think he feels a little bad about what he's doing. A teeny, weeny bit. I think Oh Soo wanted to empty the safe just so that he can get the con over and done with and he can leave her life. He doesn't want to keep conning her.
I was hoping they wouldn't make Hee Sun like him because it really doesn't add much to the story but I guess they needed Jin Sung to dislike him a little.
she IS HUMAN, and therefore flawed. She IS afraid of her illness, she doesn't want to confront it and so she gives herself the excuse of just dying and getting it over with... and lies to herself that she's prepared/preparing for it.
[Mainland Chinese Drama 2017] Three Lives Three Worlds Ten Miles of Peach Blossoms 三生三世，十里桃花
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That's just... brutal WTHECK YH you're insane, like to the point of stupidity almost (I mean that in an endearing way, really)... heartbreak* someone mentioned it before but gughhhh if only they talked to each other