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  1. I am sorry guys that I cannot watch this drama with you. The first two episodes were great; however, Vicki has the other episodes locked for at least a year, by then, I doubt if I remember to go back to watch the show. What a pity. I do have a membership, but not the deluxe membership and I am not inclined, at this time, to put out the extra money each month. It is the same for Item. I do not trust many other streaming sites; therefore, I have to deal with what is. Happy watching all.
  2. @Lmangla & @Ldy Gmerm Thank you for the recommendation. I had been looking for a good K-drama after the completion of Romance is a Bonus Book; however, nothing caught me attention. I am going to try this drama, it looks interesting and most of the actors are veteran actors. I am slowly moving towards more mature themed dramas with substantive plots.
  3. @avondale16 & @angelmas I also miss Encounter, I would suggest, if you have not already watched it, to try Romance is a Bonus Book. I think you will like the story. It is about everyday people; however, there is no over the top plots, no evil mother or mother-in-law, trying to break-up the couple. Romance is a Bonus Book is not as engaging as Encounter; however, I enjoyed the drama, the main actors and the supporting actors. It left me with a warm fuzzy feeling.
  4. I wholeheartedly agree. As you stated no over the top conflicts, no villains, just the lives of ordinary people...well stated. I understand why Eun-Ho and Dani-I wanted to keep their relationship secret. Eun-Ho was fair across the board and he could not let it appear that he was favoring Dan-I because they were in a relationship. Coming out at the end was great because Dan-I had proven herself, and succeeded on her own merit. Therefore, coming out at the end was the right choice and the secrecy added spice to the relationship ( I loved all of the stolen kisses and hugs)
  5. I am sad to see this drama come to an end; however, the ending was very nice and left me feeling good. Unlike many other dramas, the ending did not feel rushed, but well thought out. The writing for the entire drama was exceptional. This drama touched many themes and presented them all tastefully. As someone stated in an earlier post, it was nice to see an adult relationship and I will go a step further, an grow -up (adult) drama. None of the situations were, in your face, but presented as everyday life. This drama touched on divorce, inequality in the work place, the difficulties facing the publishing business with the advent of digital books and the internet, a mother's view concerning marriage and career as opposed to her daughter's, lesbianism, and Alzheimer. These themes were interwoven into the story just as they are interwoven in real life. What stood out for me was the passion everyone had for books. That struck a cord with me because I love to read. I used to spend part of my lunch hour browsing through books in the book store. Lately I had been reading books in digital form, however, this drama made me want to read a real book. A book where I can turn down the paper edge, flip back and forward through the pages and smell the ink. This drama evoked all those fond memories of holding an actual book in my hands. Thank you for stirring up many fond memories. Thank you writer, I do not have any criticisms of your writing, the plot was well thought out from the opening to the last scenes. I loved your metaphors and poems. The thoughts and poems at the end of each episode were lovely and sweet, but thought provoking. Thank you director, you were an asset to the writer, your direction was spot on. Thank you actors, I laughed with you, smiled, sighed, and cried with you. Great job all. You should be proud of your work. Job well done! I shared a wonderful eight weeks with you guys, it was a joy reading and responding to your posts. I hope to see you again soon...posting on another drama.
  6. @Fenxia Tan I agree with your point about integrity. However, as you pointed out Ms. Go took DY's idea as her own and would not allow DY's name to be included in a book that she worked on and came up with the cover design. Based on those examples, I think that Ms. Go should have been the last person to use the integrity card. Did she not lie to her ex about being married? I have worked as a temporary, which I believe is similar to a contract worker and the only criteria I needed (other than a high school diploma, any necessary certification and pass any relevant tests) was the skills necessary to do the job I was contracted for. If the position did not require a college degree, than the fact that I did not list all of my educational background was not an integrity issue. I think Ms. Go is a hypocrite. Once she got DY fired she then gave her a reference for a small publishing house that does not seem to be above board (don't pay their bills and dodge contractors). The office is in a disarray and there isn't any organization. As I stated before, Ms. Go saw DY as a threat. I believe that she under estimated DY and she will get the office running as it should. I am glad that the writer chose to show how much the staff misses DY and her contributions to their team and office. Side bar: Speaking of integrity, the young lady set DY up, because as conscientious as DY is, if DY was asked to cancel the order, she would have. It was sad that no one spoke up for DY, she was right at that point to resign. Once the young lady was able to get away with it, whenever something went wrong, DY would have been blamed for it. Integrity has many faces, one of them is speaking up when you know something is not right or someone is being treated unfairly. @sgfan Lol! Those lovey-dovey scenes made me cringe too. That was some major outpour of affection! I've been rooting for CEH and KDY's happily-ever-after from ep 1. But somehow I'm not feeling their chemistry as a couple now that they are together. How do I put this... a lack of a certain presence together? (I am so ready to dodge some bullets haha) Don't get me wrong, I love them. Perhaps my expectations were high to begin with. I am thinking that their relationship transition could've been written better; with a lesser push from CEH, make KDY a little less dense to allow her to realise her own feelings. You make some valid points about the transition and CEH. CEH only pushed because he had some serious competition. It was I might lose her again push. Perhaps you are not feeling their chemistry because they are very familiar to each other and have been loving each other for a long time, she was in denial and Eun-ho did not want a rejection. Therefore, their love is not like "new love", it is comfortable. It is I have your back and you have mine love. It is a two of us against the world love, not an exciting we are learning and exploring each other love. Therefore, the chemistry would feel different. I think their day off was cute, I loved it.
  7. My thoughts from episode 13. I actually cried when Dan-yi explained to the president why she did not include her college and employment at an advertising agency on her resume and asked him to reconsider. It was well acted. As I sat watching that scene, I felt something wet on my face and realized that I was crying. I am a woman in the work force, and know the barriers and hurdles many of us face. Men get married, become parents and never have to worry about leaving the workforce; however, if a woman chooses to stay home with her child/children, she has a tough time re-entering the workforce. I understand that in certain fields trends and norms change rapidly, however, it is sad to know that in many cases, if a woman want to be successful and move up in her field, she must sacrifice her happiness as Ms. Go did. (I will discuss that fly-by-night, publishing company Ms Go recommended to Dan-yi some other time.) Even if Dan-yi could not re-inter the advertising/marketing field at the same level as when she left, I am sure that she could have been hired in a lower position where she could be brought up to speed. International Women's Day was March 8, and I felt scene was an acknowledgment to women everywhere; our achievements, our struggles and our tenacity. Thank you writer. I love this show, not just Eun-ho and Dan-yi, (their day off was so cute...loved it,) but all the couples and pairings. The last two episodes engaged most of my emotions, I laughed, I cried and I sighed. The entire cast are doing a first class job and the writing and directing are right on point. I cannot wait for Saturdays and Sundays to watch this drama... I am really going to miss all of the characters once this drama is over.
  8. @Yana Mujay I had to laugh that you couldn't spell my name correctly (bebe =baby / bisous =kisses, in French) Yes, sticking to the rules and regulations is as such a good thing, but in my opinion she only uses the rules for her own advantages. Actually, she asked DY to take care of her own clothes (send these to the cleaning store) which has nothing to do with the company. KDY could have refused, it is not her job to take care of Ms. Go's clothes but she did not because she was afraid of losing her job. She also was in no position to refuse indicating that Ms. Go was abusing her position. This example proves to me that she doesn't stick to the rules per se, it is just when it helps her. Moreover, she shows a lack of flexibility like CEH pointed out earlier. If everyone just does what he/she is supposed to do, then there is no team work, no help. Besides this undermines the motivation. Their commitment will decrease, people will stop to put any effort I do not know the employment laws and regulations in South Korea; however, in the United States, Ms. Go's friend would not have given her Dan-Yi's resume, it would have been against the law. She also, would not have been able to share personal information with her. If she did, as she did informally, Ms. Go's friend would not have given her what is considered confidential information from her company's personnel records. (We already know that the friend is bias against Dan-Yi when she said, just fire her...why?) Here in the US, when another company/organization requests information on a potential hire, the only thing the company can tell them is if the person worked there, how long and their salary information. Okay, Ms. Go was given a tip "off the record" she would have had to do her own research to verify what her friend told her, then she could have acted on it. In the US, not including full educational and employment history is not an offense that could get one fired, especially as a contract worker. Where Ms. Go had the law on her side is that Dan-Yi is a contract worker and; therefore, her contract could be terminated at any time. Eun-Ho and Dan-Yi both know that a contract worker is a temporary position and can be terminate at will. That is why Eun-Ho could not stop it. I hope things get so chaotic in the office that everyone start complaining about Ms. Go, terminating Dan-Yi and question her reasoning. In Ms. Go's mind, Dan-Yi is a threat, that is why she is terminating her contract. It is not the case that Dan-Yi's services aren't required any longer, Dan-Yi goes above and beyond and everyone relies on her. It's that Ms. Go sees Dan-Yi as a potential rival and feels she can replace her in the future. Therefore, get rid of the threat now. I feel that Dan-Yi will be fine. She has a stable place to stay and gets some money from her ex-husband; therefore, she circumstances aren't as bleak as they were in the beginning. Since Dan-Yi has proven herself at the company, I think she will be a shoo-in for a permanent position once she reapplies. @Yana Mujay Since Dani-YA is a contract worker, letting her go, because she did not over exaggerate her education, was a decision that Ms. Go did not have to make. If Ms. Go thought that she was doing it because it was morally right, then she should have spoken to Dani-Ya directly. Part of my problem with this dismissal is because Ms. Go's friend told her why Dani-Ya probably did not include her credentials; Dan-Yi was out of the workforce for a while and it was hard getting a job. If Ms. Go had any empathy at all, knowing this, she would not have let her go. If she thought that she had to, then Ms Go should have told Dani-Ya herself and not have Eun-Ho do it.
  9. The thing is they were holding hands before, Dan-Yi just would not acknowledge her feelings. Eun-ho is the most important person to her, and she is afraid if their relationship goes wrong, she cannot lean on him any longer. I can understand her hesitation, and I love the way their relationship is blooming. It is so cute. I love the phase "...as if we had only just found the puzzle piece that we had been looking for for so long.....It was an ordinary, and yet romantic, night." Aah
  10. You and everyone who thinks that Ms. Go is petty are correct. She is a bitter person, she has no love life, picking up someone in the club is not a love life, she has no real friends, and she is insecure in her position. She gave up on being happy for what, a career? Her intended husband moved on got married and has three sons. Although he quit his high paying job and failed at business, he has a positive attitude about life. Ms. Go chose a career and she is miserable and lonely. A job title cannot keep you warm at night or comfort you when you have a problem. I am not going to say she is evil, but I am saying that she needs to get a life outside of the publishing company. She needs to make some friends, and find someone to love. I still think that she stole the Dan-Yi's slogan/Blurb.
  11. I have not read all of the comments concerning Dan-I and her daughter or about Ms. Go; however, I have a take on the two topics, I hope I am not wasting anyone's time by repeating what has already been discussed. Dan-Yi's daughter Dan-Yi daughter is away at school, however, we do not know the circumstances of her being away. We do not know if the daughter won a scholarship to this school or someone sponsored her. Since Dan-Yi was homeless, it was the best decision for her daughter to go away and not have to face homelessness also. Dan-Yi spoke to her daughter once when she was having a hard time Dan-Yi also mentioned that she wanted to excel in at work because she wanted to be a role model to her daughter. Since Dan-Yi's family is not the focus of this drama, I did not expect the daughter to be featured prominently or become a major plot line. Until the last episode, we did not know that Ms, Seo had a child. One of the points made in this drama is that hard to be a working mother because the prevailing attitude about career women. Ms. Go Ms. Go has been down on Dan-Yi from the beginning. Before she knew that Dan-Yi was married; it was as if she looked down on Dan-Yi for not having a college degree, but wanting excel become an integral part of the publishing house. Ms. Go made Dan-i do menial tasks as if to say, stay in your place, do not overreach, do not think you can become anything more than being a gopher because you did not make the sacrifices (college, not getting married.) as I did. Now that she knows that Dan-i has a college background and has won awards, she feels threatened, because, although Dan-i did not reveal her background, she has already brought many new ideas to the table and they've been successful. Dan-Yi did not reveal her entire educational and professional background because she had already experienced the difficulty of returning to the workplace with her credentials, therefore, she chose to only list her high school diploma. The object was to get a job. Once she got her foot in the door, her plan was to work hard, contribute, become essential to the company and perhaps they will retain her permanently. In the real world, it is hard for a woman, after being out of the workforce for a period of time to return especially to a position comparable to the one she left. If a woman chooses to stay home with her children until they get older she is less less likely to reach her professional potential. Many employers want to see a continuous work history, not realizing that stay at home mothers have so much to offer. It is unfortunate that one of the most important tasks mothers can do, (be a housewife) is under valued. Yes, we have the budding, sweet romance, but this drama also highlights other issues. There is Ji Yool, a young woman who, until recently, only looked at her position as something she had to do until she found a husband to take care of her. Then there is her mother always forcing blind dates on her, reinforcing the opinion that finding a husband is the most important thing she can do. Her mother has not encouraged Ji-Yool to become successful in the working world because success for a woman is landing a good husband. Ms. Seo, who was married (now divorced); however, many did not know that she was married and who she was married to. When her son became sick, she felt as if she could not say, I cannot make it today because my son is sick, she had to say that she was in an accident. I think all these story lines are a commentary on women in the work place. In the workplace a woman has to be a b*&!h, hard nosed, can't show any weakness, such as having to take off for a sick child, send their child away, or not getting married in order to succeed. Overall, I love this drama and the budding romance between Eun Ho and Dan-Yi...It makes me smile and my heart sing.
  12. I love this drama. I watched episode 10 last night and the kiss was short and very sweet and my response was AHHH. I love all the characters in this drama, all the main characters have a back story which makes this drama a joy to watch. Da Ni, even if she unaware of it, is already in love with Eun Ho. She feels that because he is her beloved friend who is always there for her, he is off limits as a love interest. She cannot fathom why he would be interested in her knowing her history. They are soulmates, and are so comfortable around each other. She claims that she does not see him as a man; however, I would wager that after that sweet kiss, she will recognize that he is definitely a man. I believe the screenwriter is the same one who wrote, I Need Romance. I loved those dramas because they were aimed at an adult audience. While I like watching young love, (high school), I am finding that dramas with matures characters and/or themes are appealing to me more.
  13. I think the fact that she could say that to purposely scare and irritate DFS means that my original conjecture was correct - they did not. If they had slept together, there's no way she'd want to call attention to it. Like I've always said, different times back then, my friends. As she also observes to BJF later, the only thing a woman has (in terms of assets) is their moral integrity and character. Given how well aware she is of that, I don't think they would've done anything back in ep 28. But as we also know, they definitely grapple with temptation -- hence that upcoming "playing with fire" scene. I could see at that juncture of the story, how they might throw caution to the wind if they felt with all the uncertainties of the coming days that they might as well. But back in ep 28, they weren't yet at that point. You are correct about a woman's integrity during those times; however, I was under the impression that something happened in episode 28 also. It might not have been the ultimate act; but there were definitely improprieties. If BQ was sure of her future with CY, would she be as careful with her virginity as she would be if she was in the market for a yet unknown future husband? I am sure she would not want her name damaged in anyway and would keep her status under raps; however I think she is counting on the fact the DFS would not believe her and think she was just trying to irritate him. Therefore, CY does not worry about DFS believing her, even if it happens to be true. I do think that she purposely said it to irritate DFS; however, the bemused look on CY's face, made me think that perhaps they were more intimate than we had believed. One other thing I noticed is that CY calls her his wife also; perhaps something did happen. The level of jealousy CY exhibits also denote something more could have happened...just saying. Actually CY acts like a wife. I am loving this drama, the chemistry is off the charts. However, I might be bias because all Zhang Bin Bin have to do is show up and I am awestruck and giddy.
  14. @bebebisous33 Thank you for your analysis. Now when I re-watch Item, I will have a better idea of what is happening and what to look for.
  15. I started to watch this drama and became so confused. I decided to start at episode once again and see if it starts to make sense. I decided to watch this drama because of Joo Ji Hoon. I watched Five Fingers and Mask and loved his acting. I agree that he has aged as fine wine. Some people mature well and he is one of them. I am hoping that when I re-watch this drama, I will understand it better and be able to stick with it.
  16. I am happy to see you that you've joined this thread. I look forward to your analysis and insight. I like your theory, about JSJ believing that he could be the author's son...interesting. I agree with you that they act as lovers when alone. I loved their day out (date). CEH tried to give KDY a hint, by pulling his hand away from her and asking what is this. At that time KDY really did not get it; lovers walk holding hands. Since KDY found out that SHR likes CEH, I think is one of the reason's that KDY has buried her feelings towards CEH. KDY feels that SHR is more worthy of CEH than she is. After all, she is divorced with a child. Also thank you giving us an insight into the symbolism of the moon. The theory behind the moon metaphor makes sense. Again thank you.
  17. My thoughts I thought the last two episodes were rushed (as with many other Korean dramas). I would have been nice, since there was a time jump to start down fall of his brother and step mother earlier. I think he wasted to much time hating HaeRa and not enough time planning his family's down fall. Okay, I could see his first meeting with her, telling her how he felt; however, once he heard the tapes and understood that she had been manipulated by the step-mother, he should have been adult enough to let those "I am so hurt" feelings go and move on to look, I am still extremely upset that you thought I could do such a thing, but I understand you were manipulated by my step-mother and brother, let's bring them down together and have her included in the strategy sessions. Instead of Soo-Hyun and HaeRa's interview, show Soo-Hyun going to the Karate class to see her daughter ( that would have been a "aah" moment.) I liked the twist that it was the sister-in-law, A-Jung, that contacted Tae-Oh. Some of you guessed it was her right away. When she went to see him, she was battered! Not only did Jung-ho cheat on her, he also battered her. The final straw is that he withheld her son from her. To get revenge for her family (whom the father caused to go bankrupt) and for her son, whom Jung Ho would not let her see, she plotted to take the company away from them and give to her son. When she asked for Jun-Ho's stock to be transferred to her son, I gathered that he is Jun-Ho's son also. Her plan was to put a wedge between Soo-Hyun and In Joon was because if they married, the Gold Corporation would definitely go to In-Joon and her son would lose out. A-Jung claimed she tried to kill Hae-Ra's sister because another baby should not come into that family. I don't think that was the main reason she wanted to get rid of Hae-Ra sister. Remember the father threw In-Joon's mother, his legal wife out, and moved his mistress in to the home. Jun-Ho, although older is not on the family's register and therefore, not recognized as a part of the Tae family, nor is he a legitimate heir. I think the sister-in-law felt that Jun-Ho could do that same thing to her and her son would lose out; therefore, she tried to kill Hae-Ra's sister and the unborn baby. I did not see that coming. As the con man asked In-Joon, who has the most to gain? Of course, A-Jung and the her son. Some were concerned about the son, I am sure In-Joon will make sure he is taken care of and will not treat him the way he was treated, there should not be any worries there. I also liked that Soo-Hyun reconciled with Jenny. I think in the end that is all Tae-Oh wanted. Jenny needs a mother in her life, even if they can only talk on the phone or meet once a year. Some wanted to know how Jenny knew she was her mother, Soo-Hyun's mother told Jenny, I am your grandmother. When Soo-Hyun took Jenny from her mother, she addressed her mother by title. I am sure once Jenny though about it she put the two together. I am glad they got back together in the final episode, but it was too little, too late for me. However, I did like the dialog between the two on the beach. He thought about how things would be different had he not taken her hand, (paraphrasing), and going through all they have, he would still take her hand. Would she still take his hand... Hae-Ra nodded yes and he put out his hand for her to take it. I just wished it would have ended with a hug and final kiss or a walk on the beach holding hands. In all, not a bad drama. The writing could have been a lot tighter, but I still enjoyed the drama. What made it better is being able to interact with everyone here. Hopefully, I will see you on another post. I am currently watching several Chinese dramas and I am reading the synopsis of several new K-dramas. I hope I pick one or two good ones to watch. Sorry for rambling on...bye guys, it has been fun.
  18. Okay, most of the last 4 episodes were subbed to the point that I could get an understanding of what is happening. Forget Hae-Ra, Tae Ho and Soo-Hyun, all I want to do is to bring the mother and that Jung Ho DOWN! I now understand the sister-in-law. I knew that the mother and Jung-Ho treated her poorly, but when Jung Ho pushed and knocked her to the floor and hit her (thank God we were saved from seeing the beating), I was and I still am livid. I then understood her behavior. She is not useless, her behavior is that of a battered woman. I am so glad she was smart enough to record the conversations and turn them over to In-Joon. From that point on, I was like, I don't care what Hae-Ra has done, I done care what Tae-Ho has done, lets take this son (expletive) down. Jung Ho and his mother needs to rot in prison. My prediction: Hae-Ra and In-Joon will get back together and he will forgive her. When he asked her why she was doing what she was doing that he would never forgive her. Hae-Ra cut right through all of that bitterness when she said, I know, I can't forgive myself. That let him know more than all the "I am sorry" she could have said, that she was truly sorry for what she did to him. Having heard the tapes, he knows that she was manipulated by his stepmother. What hurt him is that she could think that he would so such a thing. That was the part that I did not get. Could someone who cried when she was hurt, harm someone else? I will give Soo-Hyun credit, she never once believed that In-Joon could have been guilty. However, if she continues to vilify Hae-Ra, it is going to backfire on her. It is time to back off and let In-Joon go his way.
  19. No apologies necessary. If I misread you, then I gladly and humbly apologize. I have do not problem admitting when I am wrong. Please accept my apology. Most of all what I do not want you to do is to stop expressing your opinion. I will re-watch the scene at the airport because I did not get that Tae Oh was the bad one. However, I also did not put any blame on Soo Hyun because I did not have enough information to lay blame on either of them in that scene. All I know is Soo Hyun walked away from him and he was heartbroken. I don't know why she walked away, I don't know why she gave up the baby. But I do know she is cold on the surface and in the beginning she tried to belittle Hye-Ra. I also did not like the way she pushed herself on In-Joon once he wanted to call it off. Again accept my apologies. However, this might be my last post on this drama, because as of last night, the last four episodes were still not subbed... I have let many dramas go because of slow subs and this might be one of them. Sometimes I make my way back to them but most times I don't. It is a shame because I really liked this drama and thought all of the actors were doing a fine job with the script they were given. By the way, I don't hate Soo-hyun, she wears the most amazing clothes and she wears them well.
  20. @Heartbreakn Let me clarify. I did not mean that I thought Soo-Hyun messed up. I meant her mother thought she messed up when she became pregnant. It is clear we will not ever know what transpired, that the mother stepped in to take the baby and Soon-Hyun and Tae-Oh did not get married. Knowing what happened other than SH telling TO that they are dead and leaving, would have only taken a few more minutes in the drama for the writer to give us more background on the two of them. Who knows, if I have more insight into SH and TO's relationship, I might feel differently about SH. I agree with the fact that SooHyun, Tae Oh and HaeRa are all manipulators, but I believe sometimes their circumstances that change a person. And neither SooHyun or Tae Oh engendered someone life with their lies and manipulations. I gather that you are saying that Hae-Ra endangered someone's life? Whose life did she endanger with her lies and manipulations? First of all what lie did she tell? She really did not manipulate In-Joon because up front she told him that whatever she does, not to fall in love with her. Secondly, she did fall for him. When she told him that she liked him (go back and check) it was before, she received the information about her sister being pregnant at the time of the incident, and thirdly, In-Joon was giving up his stock anyway. He was doing it because he knew that once he did not have money Soo-Hyun would not want to marry him. When Hae-Rae told In-Joon to give up everything, he had already met with his brother and given him his stock. If you can put on rose colored glasses when it comes to Soo-Hyun and Tae Oh, put them on for Hae-Ra also. You seem to have forgotten that it was Tae Oh who approached Hae-Ra not the other way around. It was Tae Oh who showed her In-Joon's signature on the hospital records, before that Hae-Ra had no indication that In-Joon had any contact with her sister. Hae-Ra was not going to go along the Tae Oh before he showed her the record. But he gets a pass for putting all of this in motion? If anyone endangered anyone's life, it would be Tae-Oh because if he never approached Hae-Ra, her friend would still be alive, In-Joon's uncle would still be alive and perhaps In-joon would not have gone to prison. But who knows for sure? Since he did not speak with the police at that time and his uncle and the physician covered it up, can any of us say for sure it would not have been used later by his brother and step mother to remove him from the company??? I have no problem with you liking Soo-Hyun and feeling badly for her; however, I ask you to be fair across the board. I am not excusing Hae-Ra's behavior, because she is a prime example of what happens when you let revenge engulf your life. Hae-Ra started out as a spunky, clear headed, smart young lady. Once she found out her sister was pregnant at the time of the incident, and when she saw the picture with her sister and In-Joon seemingly together, (don't forget it was the step-mother who had the picture planted in the friend's belongings) she literally lost it. Any rational thinking went out the window and that is when she start to seek revenge. In Hae-Ra's rage, In-Joon's stepmother's saw an opportunity to replace In-Joon as the CEO and used Hae-Ra to do it. As I see it, Hae-Ra was manipulated by Tae-Oh and In-Joon's stepmother. However, I am at a lost as to whom she manipulated and who she lied to. Let's face it, had Hae-Ra been thinking clearly she would have never drugged him. Seeking revenge is never a good thing, because of the rage Hae-Ra felt, she lost out. She did not listen to her heart and lost a good friend and a good man, trying to avenge her sister. What people are not saying (and I have not had the time to read every post) is that they did not think Hae-Ra should have tried to break SH and IJ up, and normally, I would think the same way. However, this was a contract marriage and let's face it, In-Joon just was not that into Soo-Hyun. I get the feeling that most people would have preferred Soo-Hyun and In_joon get married and both be miserable for the rest of their lives. In Joon was satisfied with the contract marriage until he met Hae-Ra. It was In-Joon who fell for Hae-Ra first.They had a lot in common, and she was someone he could talk to that understood him. Her presence soothed him and just being with her allowed him to sleep peacefully. Because Hae-Ra did come between the two of them, many of you refuse to be fair when it comes to her. Advocate for Soo-Hyun because you like her and see good in her; however, I ask you to be fair to Hae-Ra also although you dislike her.
  21. This is why I love this forum, we get opinions from all angles. Some of the points you've made are valid and I agree with. I think that SooHyun felt uneasy with HaeRa the first time she met her because, she saw her as someone who InJoon could fall in love with. However, the way she went about it was not cool, she tried to berate and belittle HaeRa without any justification. Every time SH saw HR she verbally attacked her, even when she assured her she was not interested in InJoon. Was it in episode 2 or 3 that InJoon tried to kiss HaeRa and she would not let him. He was ripe for the pickings, he never loved SH, and was going to use her and her father's money to get revenge. For me, none of the adult characters in this drama are without flaws. At least HaeRa warned InJoon upfront that whatever she does, do not fall in love with her. I admit, at times I felt sorry for SH because she fell in love with InJoon, but his heart was already going to HaeRa without her doing anything. Remember it was only when he saw the picture of her and TH together that he announced his engagement to SH. (It was SH who made sure he saw the picture.) It wasn't until official engagement that HaeRa went into scheme mode, before that the only thing she had to do is breath and InJoon was hers. I agree with you the SH has feelings for her daughter, and I think she did love TO; however, I think after she "messed up" got pregnant, her mother told her she would fix it if SH did xyz... leave TO, forget the baby, do what she tells her to, and she would make the baby disappear. I think that is why, although SH wanted to marry for love (because she had been in love before), she allowed her mother to run her life. SH is a lonely person, and I could feel sorry for her; however, I don't because just as TO, she is also a manipulator. Although IJ told her point blank that he did not want to marry her, she was going to make him marry her. She even sent out wedding invitations after he tried to end it with her. This is a good drama, but as many are stating, the writer missed major marks when writing the script. I still have questions about several points that might never be addressed. I would have liked to know more of SH and TO's story, I would like to know more about the InJoon's sister-in-law, I would like to know the motive behind the mystery woman, who was she. However, I have little hope that these questions will be addressed satisfactorily.
  22. I am going to express some thoughts that have been on my mind for a while now. Many are blaming the lack of communication all on Hae Ra, including me. However, I have to lay some of that blame at In Joon's feet. How, you might ask? When Soo-Hyun went to In Joon and told him about Hae-Ra and gave him the documents she found, instead of In Joon confronting Hae-Ra, all he said to Hae-Ra is "Do you have something you want to tell me"? UH? Do you have something you want to tell me, really. If I was In-Joon, "Hae-Ra, we need to talk. I have these documents, which indicate that Tae O and you plotted to breakup the relationship between Soo-Hyun and me (show her the documents), what is going on"? "I want you to explain it to me." That conversation alone would have saved his butt from going to jail. During the same discussion, Hae-Ra to In Joon, "do you have anything to tell me"? No, no, no! It should have been ... Hae-Ra to In-Joon, "Is it true you had an affair with my sister"? Is she in a comma because of you, tell me what happened"? That was the time for her to come clean (had he asked) and tell him about the information she had and the her questions about the relationship between him and her sister. If they had that conversation, the writer, director, producer and cast would have had extra episodes to SMARTLY plan the down fall of the brother and mother and perhaps give us some background on the sister-in-law. Also, both his uncle and her best friend would still be alive. (Perhaps we could have also been treated to a nice wedding.) As you can see confronting the problem up front and asking the right questions can save lives, and keep one out of jail. Perhaps the next K-drama which this writer has an opportunity to write the script for, this idea will take hold and the characters will not richard simmonsume but ask questions, and get answers. The writer must remember the audience want answers, not misunderstandings. Both of these characters are over thirty; therefore, we want to see smart characters in mature relationships.
  23. I am waiting to catch up with everyone because as of last night, the last four episodes were not completely subed. Once I see the episodes with subs, I am sure some of my opinions will change or be solidified. Right now, even without the subs I completely understand In Joon's angry and hurt; however, if he is going to be successful in taking his step mother and brother down, he must put compartmentalize those hurt feelings so that he and Hae Ra can work together. There is a big picture and to me, right now he is not looking at the big picture. He needs a waterproof, bulletproof plan and Hae Ra can help him. She has been in a position, for two years, to see the organization from the inside, and gather vital intel. In Joon needs this information. Hate Hae Ra later, focus on the step mother and brother now. As many of you have stated in your posts, In Joon is not acting smart. A man without a plan is destined to fail. There is a saying, behind every successful man is a woman. Right now, if In Joon is going to be successful, like it or not, he needs Hae Ra. She has put as much, or more energy into to bringing In Joon back to his original state as she did in bringing him down. She is smart, she is focused and she is farsighted. In Joon, stop being dumb and use your assets to your advantage.
  24. I think we have come to an impasse; therefore, I will not argue with your point of view, as we are all entitled to our opinions and our slant on what we view. The funny thing is many people can view the same thing, accident, robbery, etc. and yet have difference observations. I am gracefully bowing out because we will not agree; therefore, I agree to disagree. I actually went back to the beginning and watched a few of the earlier episodes in order to refresh my memory, such as; when did HR tell IJ she liked him and it was before she was handed the envelop with what looked like damaging evidence. Therefore, I am not as resolute as you are about Hae-Ra. We know that someone approached TH about breaking up SH and IJ; however, he was the one who set things in motion. For you to readily absolve TH of what he did because he has a sick child does not cut it for me. Did he not have a sick child when the woman approached him? Somewhere I read words to the effect of " it is not the one that do the wrong, but the one that has pleasure in it." That statement applies to several people in this drama, (the mystery lady, TH, the step mother and the half brother); however, Hae-Ra is not one of them. For me "Fates and Furies" have definite black and white areas; however, it has some grey areas also and for me Hae-Ra falls into the grey area. Whether I agree with your point of view or not, it is still nice reading your posts, keep them coming. Different points of view is what makes this blog great.
  25. I have not watched the episodes with the subs yet; therefore, I can only read your comments here (on Soompi) and try to understand what has happened. I do want to comment on one thing. Whether In Joon forgives Hae Ra or not, her trying to right the wrong she has done is not nonsense. Hae Ra should be trying to right the wrong, not for In Joon's forgiveness, but to forgive herself, then she can move on with her life. If along the way, he comes around, that is icing on the cake; however, her trying to right the wrong is what she should be doing. For all the things she has done wrong, being repentant for those acts makes her a decent human being. It sets her apart from his step mother and half brother. I only hope his need for revenge does not cloud his judgement, as it did Hae Ra's. Setting things right and getting justice for the wrongs his family committed is one thing but blind vengeance (hatred) is another, it is what got Hae Ra into trouble, it is what caused her to not see that In Joon could not have possibly committed such acts. Therefore, it is my hope that In Joon does not repeat the mistakes that Hae Ra has made. At this point he needs to accept help where he can get it. What I do not get is the fact that Hae Ra did not reach out to In Joon in prison to say, I am sorry, please forgive me. This is the part of K-dramas I hate. Hae Ra never, had that important conversation with In Joon about her sister. Even if the sister was not in a comma, if she and In Joon had an affair, and now In Joon and Hae Ra were talking marriage, I would want to talk about it before I jumped into the bed with him...hello. A simple, did you love my sister, what happened? Why did she try to kill herself, did you know she was pregnant? Once she found out that he was not the one her sister had an affair with, Hae R never reached out to In Joon to let him know her side of the story. I understand her being ashamed to face him, (and she should have been), but a letter of apology and explanation would do. Tae Ho, got to tell In Joon his story; but he blamed everything in Hae Ra, he never told In Joon that he was the one who approached her. At least had she explained herself, In Joon could weigh both stories and come to his own decision. That is K-drama for you. In the last episode, it appears that Hae Ra's sister is starting to awake from her coma, she should make things interesting. @Ameera Ali Give them a pass for one week they are nearly to the finish line with this drama . but seriously I can understand, how he can come a cross stupid, he spend half of the last episodes worried about her , going around threatening everybody without any plans or ideas , thanks god the sister in law took a pity on him or he will be laughing stock . So I hope he redeems himself next week and comes out a little bit clever , gives everyone run for their money and takes his revenge start with the big fish Hae-Ra because my feelings still stand , In joon has to kick her to the curb & not just circle around Hae-Ra with Hae-Ra trying to fix everything. My question to you and everyone else, is does Tae Ho get a pass? Everyone is down on Hae-Ra, but Tae Ho get a pass? Was Hae-Ra minding her business when he approached her? Did he hold her sister's condition over her head? Did he purposely refuse to do business with In Joon and request Hae-Ra's designs? Tae Ho lied to In Joon and put everything on Hae Ra, which is also why In Joon is angry. Does he get a pass? Some of us have shown so much righteous indignation when it comes to Hae Ra, but what about the one who set the plan in motion? Yes, Hae-Ra definitely hurt In-Joon and I feel bad for him; however, we all know that she was manipulated from the beginning. Therefore, why are all the daggers and joyfulness and glee, that she is getting what she deserves is aimed at Hae-Ra? No one has to explain, I am only asking a question.
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