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Watching the final episode of Mr. Queen gives me School 2015: Who Are You deja vu but the actual experience is 10 times worse.
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26 minutes ago, aisling said:
So someone explain to me like I’m a slow 5 year old.
If So Yong was always there it means she witnessed everything what Bong Hwan did in her body. Doesn’t she know then that the person Cheoljong loved was Bong Hwan and not her? I don’t mean just their romantic scenes but all those scenes where So Bong and Cheoljong talked and discussed. All those moments when they bonded over conversations.
I’m probably stupid but I just don’t get it.
No, you are not stupid. You are smart, it's the writing that's stupid. To be more exact, it's downright idiotic.
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53 minutes ago, grimreaper said:
Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t the events in the spin-off take place during the 20 episodes? I read somewhere that these are moments that couldn’t be shown in the main drama so they aired it in the spin-off.
They filmed the spinoff after they finished filming the drama. The spinoff contains a "secret" flashbacks of So Yong and Cheoljong meeting prior to her being selected as his queen so there is no other logical reason why this particular scene couldn't have been aired during the original run of the drama. It certainly wasn't because of the running time restriction because some of the episodes in the first half lasted almost 80 minutes whereas the episodes in the second half ranged from 65-70 minutes therefore there was definitely enough space to fit in at least 7 minutes worth of those flashbacks in half of the episodes.
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17 hours ago, 1004_hans said:
Yes, true. I am not talking about the well scene. Actually I'm referring to their meeting in the spin-off, you should go see it
17 hours ago, Yeojachingudeul said:Correct me if im wrong, but i think after watching the spin off,
He did fall in love with the real SY in the spin off ep 1 while standing infront of the snow, ( he even kept SY’s hair decoration that she used to tie his injured arm, he was smiling when he saw her in the queen coronation BUT he blocked his own feeling and become prejudiced after knowing she comes from KIm clan)...
so i guess they wanted to convince the audiences more that it was SY indeed the one that he loves since the beginning.
Oh don't worry I've watched it. That's another additional problem of the drama - if you don't include such an extremely important crucial moment in your series and leave it out for some special spin-off episode your series is irrelevant and basically pointless. The series has some 20+ hours and they couldn't include that one scene? Why doesn't CJ remember that moment in the drama and in all of his flashbacks he only remembers the time BH was in charge of SY's body? Also, the meeting never appears in So Bong's flashbacks of So Yong's life either. Plus the spin-off got greenlit in the middle of the drama airing because of its success so it had never been originally planned to happen. So that one scene is an aritifical glued-in nonsense to justify the ending which the writer would have written just by the time the spin-off was announced because kdramas don't have completed script at the time when they began to film.
Moreover, when CJ was confessing his love to So Bong he was describing Bong Hwan's personality, not So Yong's, and not even once did he mention how he already loved her before but had to deny his feelings and supress them because she was from the Kim clan. That's an information you would expect to be included in such a confession. So Bong literally asks him why he loves the Queen and he never mentions their first meeting or her kindness.
SpoilerLet me tell you something, if Cheoljong had no problems killing "So Yong" after their fairytale-like meeting, he didn't really love her. The only reason he didn't kill her was because he ended up being distracted by Bong Hwan's strange reaction and Byeong In. On the other hand, when Bong Hwan was in danger, he was willing to sacrifice his own life without a second thought. These are not the eyes of a man who is torn because of his lingering feelings of love for the woman in front of him. There is no hesitation or regret, only cold determination to eliminate her if she proves to be a threat:
SpoilerSpoilerAlso, as I mentioned in my previous post, the whole drama was against the idea of love at first sight. Cheoljong fell in love with Hwa Jin gradually when they become reunited after he came back from exile and he fell in love with Bong Hwan gradually.
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10 minutes ago, zzang phoenix said:
Once again, i am not against Sobong-Cheoljeong endgame too, i mean they look cute together tho. But it doesn't change the fact that before CJ fell in love with Soyong first before Sobong. His love towards both of them is real and sincere. Adultery? Love affair? Well, this drama is set in Joseon Era where it is normal for men to have more than one wife. Besides, if you break up with your ex, then fell in love with another person, and after that you get back with your ex again, does it mean that you love toward the "another person" is fake? No, love can change, it's the faithfulness that need to be protected.
Cheoljong never fell in love with So Yong in the first place. As he mentioned to Hwa Jin, he fell in love with her not because she saved him in the well (he believed the girl in the well was HJ) but only later when they met as adults, meaning HE DID NOT FALL IN LOVE WITH THE GIRL IN THE WELL.
Also, as you mentioned in Joseon a King couldn't really commit an adultery de jure but even so, technically, the soul he married and made his queen in an official act was Bong Hwan not So Yong so if there were adultery in that regard, it would be So Yong, not Bong Hwan, who would be the mistress.
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In my 15 years of watching kdramas I’ve seen some terrible endings but Mr. Queen has perhaps the worst and most unsatisfynig ending in the history of kdramaland. The series has been well-written and stellar throughout most of its run, developing its love story and characters well, but the final episode has ruined all of that which is even a bigger pity because the acting was sublime.
So Yong hasn’t been present aka being in charge of her body’s actions and reactions for 99% of the story. It’s been all Bong Hwan. Cheoljong didn’t fall in love with So Yong but Bong Hwan in her body. He literally admitted this to BH. That it was his temper, his character traits, including the bad ones, that made him fall in love with Bong Hwan in an epic love confession. Not once did he mention about her body, her beauty or her zither playing skills. So Yong “fell in love” with Cheoljong because of one meeting in their childhood and her father’s wishes that she should become a queen.
What I really appreciated about Mr. Queen was how they basically said “screw the whole childhood love/love at first sight/first love trope” even with Hwa Jin and Cheoljong when he admitted that he liked her not because of the childhood meeting but because she became his friend later so it wasn’t a case of mistaken identities that developed his feelings for her. Thus, the only reason why Cheoljong could have had feelings for the real So Yong disappears. The fact that So Yong and Cheoljong have their happy ending in the very same place where he confessed his love for Bong Hwan is adding an insult to the injury.
SpoilerThe final episode has ruined all of that development. BH accused Byeong In that he didn’t recognize that the Queen was no longer the So Yong he knew despite the fact that he claimed he loved her that much. So what about Cheoljong now? Wouldn’t it be illogical and hypocratical not to expect the same from him - that he should recognize that the Queen is no longer the same person? Even if for some reason (read: lazy writing and trying to having the cake and eating it too) So Yong adopted BH’s mannerism, there should still be major differences.
SpoilerWhat about Bong Hwan and the trauma he is going to get after this? Previously, he used to be a person who couldn’t commit, who didn’t love anyone nor cared about anyone but himself. He fell in love with Cheoljong so much that he was willing to risk his life and sacrifice everything even though he knew that history had CJ as the losing side. So losing that sort of connection after accepting his feelings, himself in female body and building a new life in the Joseon Era with a new family consisting of his friends and Cheoljong will most likely be devastating. Furthermore, he was expecting a child, a child he grew to love and that was also ripped away from him.
So Yong commited suicide from her own will, she tried to escape her life and given up on herself, even though her circumstances were tragic,now she suddenly gains everything she ever wanted while Bong Hwan is left with nothing except for his job.What's the point of such plot?
In the end, such an ending is an utter narrative disaster and problematic in all sort of ways and that’s coming from me who rarely calls something problematic because nowadays the word “problematic” has become a synonym for what are basically normal and natural human flaws and imperfections. Overall, Mr. Queen was poised to become amazing but ended up an epic failure for the ages because of the final episode.
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So Bong is embroiderig something again and WILLINGLY so that means it must be something either for Cheoljong or their child.
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They fuse two storylines from Go Princess Go:
Spoilerthe King going to war and him later faking his death with the Queen believing it while being pregnant with their child. It looks like this is a plan to take out all their enemies for staging a coup.
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SpoilerThe historical moment when Lee Gon learned he wasn’t the only one in his
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Time travel is actually a fairly easy hobby to sustain if you are the richest man on the planet and have an endless supply of diamond buttons. Or you are his girlfriend.
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In the last scene of the final episode, Lee Gon and Tae Eul are in 1964. The movie Barefooted Youth had its premiere.
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This is a melodrama.
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Yeong did NOT die! Thank the drama gods for those awesome bullet-proof vests! In fact, I’m sending the manufacturer a letter of thanks. They are better than all the plot armors in the world! I should get some for my future endangered favourite characters ASAP.
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I loved how the style, cinematography and camera style of the fight scene was a homage to the fight scenes in The Kingsman.
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A satisfying ending to a beautiful and unconventional love story. A tale of eternal and enduring love between star-crossed lovers about how even two people from different worlds can live together forever, even if not by conventional means
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Tae Eul doesn’t even flinch when someone is aiming a gun or a knife at her and she can take down a small army on her own; HOWEVER, THE MERE THOUGHT OF LOSING LEE GON, HIS LOVE AND ALL HER MEMORIES OF HIM MAKES HER FALL APART - IT’S THE ONLY THING IN THE WORLD THAT SHE FEARS. She can’t bear the possibility that their love would turn into nothingness and just seeing the first trace of Gon disappearing from her life breaks something inside her and she makes her decision.
SpoilerShe finally has the answer to the question Gon has been asking her the whole time - can she leave it all behind and be with him? Yes, without hesitation. Previously, TE prioritized her work, only stealing moments with him on parking lots or when they were both investigating and fighting LR, but the possibility of Gon vanishing from her life forever puts it all into perspective and makes the choice, which she’s been postponing for so long, crystal clear to her.
SpoilerSpoilerAnd the symbolism of the moment is so beautiful - she puts on the necklace he gave her, the one bearing the sigil of his house, commits a criminal offense with Luna, gets himself a magical flute AND SHE DOES ALL THAT BECAUSE, AS TE HERSELF TEARFULLY ADMITS, A LIFE WITHOUT GON EQUALS TO DYING AND SHE WILL NEVER LEAVE HIM ALONE EVER AGAIN (since that is what she has always been worried about - him being all alone when the time stops and in the land of the frozen time). AND SHE CAN’T LIVE WITHOUT HIM EITHER. Suddenly, her Earth is finally round and her character comes full circle.
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4 hours ago, CallieP said:
@briseis You are right here and I said this a little earlier today, that I discovered you are right but I don't understand if he was only missing a few days in the real world in ROK, why did JTE miss him so much, it seems like he had been gone forever. He will miss her because it is 4 months but for her it is just a few days from when he left so why was she pining and missing him so much as well? He had been gone longer than that in the past when his uncle was killed. This is just a few days, she should say, you are back pretty fast this time. It has just been a few days. But it seemed to me like she was waiting a long time too for him.
I think it's safe to say it was more or less a week. However, Tae Eul's desperation doesn't come from the fact that Gon has been gone for too long - even if when you are madly in love sometimes a day seems like an eternity - but from her fear that he might not come back. This is not the first time she was desperately waiting for him and the desperation comes from the fear that every moment, each of his visits might be the last time she sees him - TE is afraid he won't be coming back. She's been afraid of it for a long time now. And this time, he hasn't even said goodbye to her which makes her afraid even more.
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Me right now, after watching the roller coaster that was episode 15 and episode 16 preview
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I've lost count how many times have the previews shown either Yeong or ES dying, only for it to be a red herring, but I'm afraid that 6th time might be the (anti)charm This drama has always given me The King 2 Hearts vibes in the bromance department and it's never been stronger than right now
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Preview for Final episode
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OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'M DEAD! AND IN SHIPPER'S HEAVEN! The way he looks at her!
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20 minutes ago, CallieP said:
@aya02it's 4 months for him to travel back to the present, i don't think it has to relate to the time btw him leaving the clinic & getting back to taeul
Aya02 is right, he was away a few days in the nowhere land but will be away from JTE for 4 months, Briseis.
There was only two poisoning attempts not 3. The bowl that Lady Noh fed to the chickens was the bowl that SJ's mom had and where she ate from. Lady Noh took that bowl of food to feed the chickens as a test.
I mean everyone has their own theories But I firmly stand behind what I said in my explanation of LG's time travel - he traveled back in time and wants to move foward to the point in which he left. The same way the Avengers came back to the same moment in the Endgame or Steve Rodgers later in that movie - it only took mere seconds.
Moreover, if you need futher proof that it hasn't been four months, only look at the preview - LG comes back in time to rescue TE from dying. There hasn't been a 4-month time jump nor anything that would suggest it. It's still early spring. They are wearing light coats, the trees are in bloom, their petals are flowing in the air... When Luna stabs her, TE still has the bandages which cover her wounds from the gas explotion which occured only days after LG left - on her neck and on fingers - if you remember, some people previously thought that one of those bandages was an engagement ring .
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[Drama 2021] Destruction/Doom At Your Service, 어느 날 우리집 현관으로 멸망이 들어왔다 - Park Bo Young & Seo In Guk
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Whatever Dong Kyung answer might be, her choice always ends up being Myul Mang - her own doom in this very moment or having the Doom at her service for the next 100 days before her ultimate destruction. Her every choice leads her to him as her choice can only be him not only because of who Myul Mang is by nature but because she already chose him as he became her wish, literally being her wish personified. (I really like the English translation here because it adds even more meaning to DK’s wish since when taken literally, it’s her asking for Myul Mang/Doom to enter her life/world.)
At the same time, Myul Mang has his own choice to make whether to fulfil Dong Kyung’s wish or not - becoming the Doom at her service or her Doom now - and he decides to go through with it. Considering that his main gripe about his existence is that he’s been ruled by fate the whole time without having any choice in it, it’s no wonder he literally jumps at the opportunity to finaly make a decision about himself and have a say in his “life”.
So, in the end, despite all the talk about fate, it comes down to a choice for both Dong Kyung and Myul Mang. Their choice is symbolized and highlighted by the place where they make it - when the time stops they choose each other on a crossroad, walking away side by side, holding each other’s hand as Myul Mang reverses the time and leads Dong Kyung away from the danger.
There is something about the way Myul Mang offers her hand to Dong Kyung, her on her knees, looking up to him, reaching out to him as if in supplication, a plea for help, and him taking her hand that visually reminds you of Michaelangelo’s Creation of Adam, since Myul Mang could be considered a lesser deity. However, what makes you feel so much about it is the human connection, two beings making a bond, touching each other on more levels than one and intertwining their fates together by choice.
The moment he pulled her up, literally raising her up whe she fell in more ways than one was so damn romantic, poignant and swoonworthy and it was when I became obssesed with this show. Frankly, even without the brilliant writing, this drama could be carried on Park Bo Young and Seo In Guk’s chemisry alone which is truly out of this world.