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Everything posted by bebebisous33

  1. @lebeaucouple Well, Tagon might have been cornered by Asa Ron, however he chose willingly to sacrifice two tribes for his own interests before. He chose this over exile. That's why I don't really pity him because right from the beginning, he wanted to get power. Exile meant to give up his power. Sure, before his father had people killed for his sake and he felt that exile was not an option because so many people had already died because of him. However, he had an option: the exile. If he had left his father, maybe his mother would have asked him to join her. Yet, I sense that Tagon might have resented his mother as he wanted to be accepted by his tribe and always hated his blood.
  2. @iamlatika To me, it makes sense why the episode 15 was so focused on Tagon and kind of neglected Eunseom. The episode 15 represents a turning point in Tagon's life. This is the moment where he becomes the monster he never wanted to be and accepts his destiny. Saya said to Tanya that he would hesitate and wouldn't kill so many people as Saya knew deep down Tagon's inner struggles. But he misjudged the impact of Tagon's experience and the influence of Taealha. Taealha has always been a negative influence for Tagon in reality. That's why she asked him if her love for him was not enough... she told many times, he didn't need to seek love and approbation from people. Now, I am curious about the Ago tribe.
  3. Your sentence made me realize something: What if Yangcha witnessed as a child that Tagon was an igutu? But because Tagon didn't want to kill another friend, a younger boy, Tagon proposed the following deal. Tagon asked him to wear this mask so that the secret would be kept safe, by wearing it all this time, Tagon would be sure that Yangcha wouldn't betray him. On the other hand, this made Yangcha realize that Tagon was a person who didn't want to kill in the first place, but was forced to. Don't forget that Tagon was used by his father in the expansion of Arthdal. That would explain his devotion to Tagon and why Yangcha didn't see him as an evil person. And the massacre (killing the families and the children) will make Yangcha realize that Tagon has changed. I have also noticed that the color of Taealha's dresses really fits the actual situation. She was in red, when she killed so many people after surviving the assault. So the red dress announced the future event. This represents the blood she would have on her hands. And at the end of the episode 13, she is dressed in black. Black is connected to death and in that scene, Tagon is about to execute the ones who dared to question him. But just before he gave the order, he looked into Taealha's eyes, so Tagon sought her approbation. She agreed with him. Indirectly, she is the one who sentenced them to death. We shouldn't forget Taealha's words: she is the one who chooses the king and who makes the king. And she is right but what she is oblivious to is that her action will be the cause of Arthdal's doom. Her father wanted first to find out who was responsible for the demise in Remus but at some point, he forgot it and wanted himself to become king. In the end, Mihol will realize why Remus disappeared... as what in Arthdal is about to happen, happened in Remus too.
  4. There are two other reasons why I think that Yangcha will support Tanya in the end. Notice that Tanya told Yangcha how she perceived him, Tagon and the others. She was genuine and showed desdain for them as they were cruel and evil. She clearly showed him her true thoughts and Yangcha could definitely notify this to Tagon. But he didn't. Furthermore, Tanya described Eunseom to Yangcha, how different he was from Tagon and the others... so her admiration for Eunseom could play a part in Yangcha's change of mind. Furthermore, while Mihol saw the change in the eyes in Tagon, this could have been noticed by Yangcha as well. While in the past Yangcha saw Tagon's longing for love in his eyes and he knew that Tagon was seeking recognition and acceptance, the new gaze in Tagon's eyes could be the trigger for Yangcha to realize that Tagon has crossed the line. Tagon's hesitation in the past could have been the reason why Yangcha admired Tagon. But now he acts like a king, a bloodthirsty and tyranical king. I have the impression that Mungtae will have to fight against NB at some point. Mungtae's mindset is: I need to stand by someone who is strong, or even the strongest. That's why he betrayed Eunseom and the others first. Back then, he saw Eunseom and the other as weak. Yes, he said that he betrayed DS because the latter had abandonned him. But this was just an excuse. Deep down, Mungtae has always stood by someone powerful, in the Wahan tribe he used to support DS. Now he has joined Tagon, as he knew that Tagon was an igutu. In his opinion, Eunseom can never become so powerful like Tagon, despite being both igutus. Tagon is a trained soldier and has a lot of soldiers behind him. Although he heard that a trained Neanthal could be deadly, he imagines like the others that this is impossible. NB will prove him that his mindset was wrong from the start as you can always find a stronger opponent. You should stick to principles and morals...
  5. @iamlatika @lightbringer06 About Yangcha: First, he didn't tell Tagon that Saya looks like Eumseom as he obeyed Mubaek's order. So he is close to Tagon and Mubaek. So far, in the past, Yangcha used to follow Tagon's orders blindly but I sense that his relationship with Tagon might change. Tanya could be the reason as she is the only one who can hear his voice. Don't forget that Yangcha is not allowed to speak. Thanks to Tanya's abilities, Yangcha has been given a voice and in my opinion, Yangcha might change and listen to her. The question is: To whom will the one who survived the attack of NB reveal the incident first? Mubaek or Tagon or a close member of Tagon? I believe that Mubaek will hear about it therefore he goes to Tanya and reveals the whole story. Mubaek will realize that Tanya is an important part in the prophecy and he needs her. With this knowledge, Tanya will be able to ensure that the prophecy comes true.
  6. So I suppose, Asa Ron will find his demise in this episode... Asa Ron is killed by Tagon. After this "night of long knives", Tagon will purge the administration/the ranks: followers of Asa Clan will be terminated. The children from that sect are all professional killers trained by Black tongue. I guess, the Asa Clan has created this group of killers.
  7. Could you post it here? I don't have any Instagram account and don't wish to have one. However, I am curious about her past story.
  8. 1. I have come to realize why Ipsaeng has been acting like that. Suddenly I remembered that the Ago tribe was mentioned in the first episode, when Tagon and Taealha met after the Daekhan warriors celebrated the end of the Neanthal hunting. It was said that that the inner struggle among the Ago tribe had stopped but their recent reconciliation would be temporary as the Ago members used to fight against each other. So in my opinion, Ipsaeng witnessed the betrayal and the fight in his tribe therefore he turned his back against his own tribe as he could no longer feel as part of this tribe: too selfish, too greedy, too ruthless etc. Then in the last episode, we heard that one warrior from the Daekhan soldier (forgot his name) was sent to the Ago tribe many years ago... And this is important because it shows that Tagon and Arthdal are responsible for the blood bath and fight in his tribe. They used this trick in order to weaken the Ago tribe. Notice that even the Daekhan warrior avoids their territory. Ipsaeng blamed his tribe for the fight and their selfishness, while in reality they had been manipulated by Tagon/Sanung. 2. Could it be water from the sea as the Momo Tribe is connected to the ocean?
  9. @chasen8888 The last episode proves one more time that Asa Ron was in reality a fake priest since he had no true belief. First, he had to be "high" (smoke) in order to understand Gods' will which proves that he had no psychic abilities. This also explains why he could use gods' will for his own interest. Secondly, he never paid attention to the belief as such.... The redecoration of the Shrine reveals that the Asa Clan created new gods, legends in order to diminish the belief about Aramun and Asa Sin. Remember that in the episode 1, the dying soldat was asked in which god he believed... He mentioned Aramun but this scene showed that the myth about the existence of Aramun was a belief among others. Furthermore Aramun is supposed to be an Igutu which Asa Ron ignored as he didn't believe in this. He doubts that Tanya is a real descendant of Asa Sin. He actually thought that Tanya was just like him (using religion for her own interest) and ignored her words. Yes, being an Igutu can be a curse or a blessing. Asa Ron's blindness and stubbornness ensure that the prophecy comes true. An Igutu will bring calamity to Arthdal, while Eunseom has accepted his identity and difference hence he will bring harmony again.
  10. Well, he knew the price and he is well aware that his father's dream came with a huge price. That's why he didn't want a blood bath after becoming the ruler. His father promised him that he would make him into Aramun with the belief that that way he could avoid the prophecy. However, his own father got more and more afraid of the prophecy hence he started hating his son and regretted his decisions. With his son, Niruha Sanung could get more and more power and even land. Yes, Tagon killed his father and it is a crime but who was the one who chose war and expansion at the expense of the other tribes? Asa Ron, Mihol and Tagon's father. They were the one who sent Tagon to Iark... The blood is on their hands, Tagon was just the tool. By trying to kill Tagon, Tanya and Taealha, they didn't realize that the Union is weakening.
  11. Next week, the blood bath is starting. I guess, Asa Ron, Asa Mot and their followers will be all killed as the witnesses of his confession. Ragaz had predicted the blood bath and let us not forget that Tanya had cursed the Daekhan warriors too. To me, the writer did a great job with the characters, especially with the antagonists. Tagon, Taealha and Saya are definitely intriguing. Now, we know why Tagon killed all the Neanthals and the Igutus. He wanted to make his father's wish come true because if not, the death of the innocents (his friends and their family) would have been in vain. In the end, his father is the main culprit for all this. He feared so much the prophecy that he made so many wrong decisions. His greed and Asa Ron's ambition are the cause of this tragedy and the downfall of Arthdal. Mihol will be disposed as well because Tanya's father has already proposed to create iron which is far better than bronze. Tagon will remove him just after that terrible night because we shouldn't forget the deal between Asa Ron and Mihol. The latter wanted to become the king. Mihol still thinks, Tagon is depend of him... I am really looking forward for Eunseom's journey as well: gathering the support of many tribes (Momo, Ago, etc...) which will make it possible for Eunseom to fight against Tagon as the latter will be weakened by the inner struggle (blood bath). Tagon will become a tyrant...
  12. But Ipsaeng was attracted by Karika therefore I can definitely see him trying to woo her, once he changes his behavior. Eunseom will save his life therefore Ipsaeng will bring him to his tribe.
  13. I have the impression that Ipsaeng is acting like that because of his tribe. He said that his tribe serves justice and he even mentioned the legend about the god Anaishingi who jumped from the great waterfall so from my point of view, the scene with the raft in the preview means that Eunseom is now visiting the Ago tribe. Either Ipsaeng lost his faith in his tribe because he suffered injustice and couldn't prove his innocence hence he ran away and talks badly about the Ago Tribe. The way he only thinks of himself shows to me that he no longer trusts people and he keeps saying that he has been taught to live like that... indicating that he had been betrayed. Another possibility is that Ipsaeng could have been a cursed child like Tanya (the one who breaks the shell) and Ipsaeng wanted to escape his fate. However, Eunseom will survive the ritual with the Waterfall so that the Ago tribe will recognize him as god Anaishingi. The last scene was really moving. Now, Xabara is on her way to meet the owner from the mine and his minions. They will meet next to the mountain and realize that they are trying to catch Eunseom as the Momo Tribe uses now a purple flag with a symbol and the bad guys will be able to connect the dots. @Albutt The actress is Japanese. Her name is Erika Katara.
  14. I believe too that Ip-Saeng will change for the better but he will also become Eunseom's biggest supporter in the end because once he witnesses how Eunseom is able to gain the support of the different tribes, he will realize the importance of generosity and courage. The result can be much more rewarding than deception and greed. Due to his selfishness, he never achieved anything. I don't think that he will forgive the traitor from the Wahan because he didn't forgive the Saram who got tortured later. He just saved him, yet he still resented him. Notice that he told the man, he should always remember that his life was saved by an Igutu which shows that he wants the man to feel remorse and guilt. @Sakurafairy It was said that there were still 5 Neanthals alive.
  15. @lightbringer06 After reading the recap from dramamilk, I came to realize the huge difference between Tagon with Saya and Eunseom. The latter helps the others without asking anything in return therefore the woman from the Momo tribe chose Eunseom's back as their sign. I have the impression that Eunseom's journey will be to meet different tribes and help them so that at the end of the day, all of them decides to choose Eunseom as their leader because they feel gratitude. That's why he will meet the Neanthals too. With the support of the different tribes, he will be able to destroy Arthdal and stop the tyranny of Sarams. In other words, Eunseom will gain power without asking for it and his reward for his good deeds will be to become a real soldier and even have a huge army. And this explains why Eunseom is so different from Tagon and his twin brother. Both suffered that's why they chose to become selfish and self-centered. On the other hand, Eunseom who suffered a lot too never gave up his morals and never tried to use his own misery in order to torment others.
  16. Well, he has been raised by Taealha, a very ruthless, greedy and selfish person which influenced Saya greatly. Saya is just like her hence his love for Tanya is not selfless and pure. I don't feel sorry for him as he chose a path where he killed and injured innocent people. Did he need to poison Tagon's half-brother? No.... He just considered him as a pawn. He is not interested in justice, only in power so that he can escape from his prison. If he becomes the heir, he can live proudly and enjoy his position. He is not wondering about his true origins. I have been thinking about what Saeutnik whispered to Eunseom, just after he talked about sins. What if Saeutnik fell in love with a Neanthal and she became his wife? He decided to protect her. That's why Saeutnik could tell him that he was not a sin because he was the result of love. That way, Eunseom discovers his true origins.
  17. My prediction is that he will die. First, he has been cursed. Remember that he is associated to the mirror, an object and not a person. He is a reflection of Aramun but he is not the real Aramun. Since he believes that Aramun is an Igutu and he is proud of his identity, he thinks that he is Aramun. He has no idea of the existence of his twin brother, the real Aramun who can ride the quickest horse on Arthdal. Don't forget that Saya doesn't view the godly objects (the star bell for example) as something important. He only supports this belief as it helps him to gain power. His true goal is to become Tagon's heir. Yet, as a mirror, he will be the reason for Tagon's downfall. Notice that he was the one who pushed Tagon to go against Asa Ron so that Tagon could become a king. Since it worked, Tagon will rely on Saya and his advices won't be good in the future as he trusts Tanya too much (blinded by his love) and will believe everything she says.
  18. I have just realized that all this tragedy happened because of the White Mountain Clan in the end. Asa Ron's ancestors and his tribe made sure after Asa Sin's departure to change the belief as they wanted to get more power. That's why they ensured that no one would know that Aramun was supposed to be an Igutu. They even created rumors that Igutus would bring disaster in order to isolate them. Therefore Tagon's father hid his son's true nature from the others. And this explains why Neanthals and Igutus had to be eradicated and Asa Ron supported this plan. That way, he could ensure that there would be no Igutu who could represent a thread to the Asa clan. In other words, Tagon could have become Aramun if the White Mountain Clan had not created a false belief. However, Asa Ron's clan never realized that they could never win against gods' will. Aramun would happen no matter what... Then Tagon and his "son" want to use the new belief (White Peak Mountain Heart) in order to get power. Sanya likes this belief because it doesn't demonize Igutus, quite the opposite. Igutus are worshiped, since Aramun as an Igutu is supposed to return. However, I don't see Sanya as a true believer because he told the high priest from the White Peak Mountain Heart that he didn't really care for the godly object (the bell). So in my opinion, he views this religion as a tool to get more power so that he can live in the sunlight. In my opinion, he will claim that he is Aramun.
  19. @mademoisellesia The long preview looks so good. I have the impression that ES is put on that small raft as a ritual, like f. ex. if he survives, then this means that he is the true Aramun. They have been waiting for his return.
  20. I have the impression that KYG's father had remorse and wanted to stop the Jang society and reveal its existence, however the other members like PJW disagreed. That's why he was framed with the murder of his wife. PJW decided to take control of Jang society. From my point of view, he has been eliminated because just like 15 years ago, there was an inner fight among the Jang society. Yeom is definitely part of it. To me, the organization reminds me of the hydra, once a head is cut, another head appears.
  21. Exactly... Furthermore, it also contrasts with the friendship between KHF and ZWW. Although ZWW never revealed that she had a boyfriend, HKF didn't get upset and always sided with her unconditionnally. His friendship with CHK was not deep and real as GZY had perverted their relationship. Striking is that despite the fight between CHK and DW, they were able to overcome this and DW could even realize Chu's feelings for ZWW.
  22. It was me who wrote this. In my opinion, the kiss with MZ showed that he could start a new relationship with her as he believed that she had feelings for him. So in his eyes, he saw her feelings as a way to use for his own interest. That's why in the end I am not surprised that he got married during that time as his feelings for WW were not real. He got obsessed with her because he couldn't accept that he had lost control over WW. He thought all this time, he could control and manipulate her. Once she told him that she no longer loved him, he realized that he could no longer control her. From my point of view, he used WW's feelings for his own interests that's why he could be so indifferent and even rude in the past. He knew how to play her: her guilt, her feelings aso. I believe that 321 won't change his behavior with his wife, except if he is married to MZ which I doubt. Now, I understand better why the writer created CKH's friend. He was used as a contrast to DW. It becomes clearer why DW became HKF's husband. Unlike her former "boyfriend" (CKH's friend), once DW realized what kind of woman KF was (loyal and fierce), he accepted her. He didn't try to force his own point of view on her, like he said: he just wanted to protect her. Little by little, he could impress her as he never asked anything in return: she has to become his girlfriend officially. Unlike the friend who claimed to love her, he was more obsessed with her sex appeal than with her personality. He imagined that HKF would sleep with CKH... which showed how little he knew KHF very well.
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