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  1. The case with nurse Cho is indirectly linked to the case of CDH's father. This is about the heart transplant. The boy was on the waiting list for the organ transplant, while his father was about to get his surgery. The boy, the result of a rape, is suffering from the same disease. However, the victim YHJ could never get justice as the evil teacher was protected by his powerful family. He was the chairman's nephew. Cho did it so that the boy would be able to get the organ transplant in time. From my point of view, CDH's father admitted the crime in order to save his son: the heart transplant was part of the deal, taking the blame for a murder. Nevertheless, I am quite sure that the motive for the murder is related to the purchase of military weapons and bribes. Detective Ki never investigated the circumstances of the murder as he had already caught the culprit. From my point of view, CDH's new heart comes from Madam Jin's son, a lawyer or judge, who was involved in the main case: the murder of CSH.
  2. From early on, we were shown that SM had no idea what emotions meant as he was looking up love and another emotion. That's why I had thought that he was a psychopath, especially when he had trouble to understand EJS's emotions and thoughts. However, the last two episodes make it clear that SM is not a psychopath but he is suffering from alexithymia, a person who can not feel or perceive any emotion. Based on the memory we could witness between SM and his mother, it becomes clear that his mother must have thought that SM could be a psychopath because of his reaction. She compared her son to that person who killed someone. This also explains why SM could relate to LA when the latter was stigmatized as monster because in the eyes of many, SM could be perceived as monster. In my opinion, the lack of emotions from SM can be explained the way he grew up: we saw that he was held captive, his ankle has been injured due to the chain. Because of his disorder, his condition worsened... this must have been one of the reasons why SM's mother left her husband with her son. She didn't want him to become like his father. But he never witnessed how a normal father should behave towards a child until he met JI and her father, later LA and his father. But the way JI's father treated him and his daughter triggered something in SM that's why SM feels particularly attached to JI. He doesn't love her as a woman but like a relative... moreover, a part of his emotions comes from his guilt. He feels somehow responsible for JI's misery as he knows that her family was destroyed. By living for some time with LA and by interacting with EJS, SM started changing. I doubt that JI is the only cause for his change. We saw from the memory that LA could capture that back then, SM must have felt something as psychometry is linked to emotions. His mother's words (not to kill someone, not to become like that person) must have triggered something in SM which led him to never forget her words. He is determined not to be like his father. However, I doubt that SM's father is responsible for the whole disaster. Right now, EJS and SM think that the arson from 13 years ago was orchestrated by the same person, however I have now a different impression. First, we know that EHB is linked to the arson from 13 years ago, as he has been covering up for YYS construction. Secondly, SM's mother was running downstairs, when she caught a man pushing a suitcase. Don't forget that she was living in the apartment 701... so the dead body in the suitcase was removed from a different apartment (lower floor). @packmule3 noticed that the man with a black cap is standing next to the exit of the building. So when SM's father visited SM's flat, SM's mother had already left meaning that SM's father is not the one who is pushing the suitcase. In my opinion, since SM was injured for a while, he went to the orphanage on 10th December 2005. From my point of view, the fire was the reason why SM lost his mother. SM thinks that his father is the reason why she left his side, yet I believe that she was forced to use this fire in order to fake her death as she witnessed the real murderer. On the other hand, the real murderer couldn't reveal that she was not the 4th victim in the flat because this would unveil his involvement in the murder. Notice that the arson always happen in the 7th floor and we know for sure that YYS is involved. As conclusion, there are two perpetrators: the first arson was staged in order to get rid of witnesses (YYS construction), while the second arson was created in order to create chaos and to point out that the real culprit had not been caught. SM's father copied the murder in the first arson... he knows that KGY was involved in the first arson but he thought that KGY must have known where his wife lived. However, KGY had no idea... Don't forget that KGY introduced himself as someone working for insurance... there is a connection between insurance and fire. SM's father is a sociopath and he must have resented his son because he saw SM as a burden... The father must have been obsessed with his wife, he didn't want to share his wife with his son. As for SM's mother, she must have witnessed how her husband killed someone... besides, she saw how SM was treated by her husband therefore she ran away. Finally, we know for sure that SM's father is working for the CCTV system that's why he knows where all the CCTV are, he knows how to damage a CCTV and how to install one illegal CCTV and connect to burner phone. SM's father must have appeared in front of his son at the orphanage hence SM decided to leave LA's side, too scared that he might get hurt. From my point of view, SM must have thought that his mother had really died, until his father appeared. That's how he must have realized that his mother faked her death, yet he didn't want to reveal the truth as he didn't want her to be found out. Hence I think that while SM is determined to find his mother, at the same time he wants to reveal the truth about the fire from 2005, just like he wants to catch/kill his father. @ktcjdrama @celebrianna @nrllee
  3. The influence of Greek and Roman mythology and literature in Love in Sadness In this drama, the writer used two legends from the Greek mythology: the death of Hyacinth and Adonis which led both to the birth of flowers: the hyacinth and the anemone. Hyacinth, as a Spartan prince and mortal was Apollo’s lover despite their different nature (human vs. god). Yet Zephyrus, the god of wind, got jealous and killed him with his disc. the death of Hyacinth; painting from Alexandre Kisseliov (19th Century) Here you can see the disc thrown by Zephyrus The god of the sun tried to heal his lover and it was in vain. In order to always remember his lover Hyacinth, Apollo created a new flower with Hyacinth’s blood: the Hyacinth. Then in the episodes from this week, we were told about the legend of Adonis and the anemone. SJW explained that Venus fell in love with Adonis due to Cupid and Ares got jealous and killed Adonis with a boar. However, the writer made a huge mistake because he mixed Greek names with Roman names. Romans used to call Venus, the goddess of love, beauty, sex and fertility but Ares is the Greek name of the god of war. Why do the Roman and Greek have the same mythology but different names? After the conquest of Greek cities in ancient times (Antiquity) by the Roman Empire, the Romans adopted the Greek religion, however they changed their names: Aphrodite became Venus, Ares became Mars, Zeus Jupiter aso. Our plastic surgeon was actually referring to the work of a Roman author, Ovid. However, in Ovid’s work Venus fell in love with Adonis by accident due to Cupid. The latter was playing with his arrows, when one of his arrows was punctured in her chest. Her wound was so deep that she fell in love with Adonis, when he appeared. Venus, Adonis and Cupid painted by Annibale Carracci in 1595 However, the story of Adonis in Ovid doesn’t mention any jealousy as the reason for his death. It is just said that Adonis loved hunting and one day, he got killed by a boar while hunting alone. On the other hand, the the existence of Adonis in the Greek mythology is explained differently. https://www.greekmyths-greekmythology.com/myth-aphrodite-adonis/First, Aphrodite fell in love with the handsome man due to her own trick. Then either Artemis wanted revenge or Ares got jealous of Adonis because he was Aphrodite’s lover too. Anyway, in Greek and Roman mythology, the goddess of love used Adonis’s blood in order to create the flower anemone, a memorial of their love. As you can see, the writer from Love in Sadness mixed Roman and Greek mythology together. Nevertheless both stories have so many similarities. First both stories deal with the loss of a loved one, with a tragic death where the surviving person has trouble to accept the death of their lover. Furthermore, the gods create a flower (Hyacinth and Anemone) in order to remember their loved one. Finally, the writer used the aspect of jealousy in both stories which explains why he made a mistake with the name because he mixed Roman tradition with Greek mythology. And now, if we take a close look, we will notice that our main characters (KIW, YMR, WHK and SJW) share the same experience. YMR fakes her death in order to escape from her abusive husband, WHK got involved in an accident and got killed which affected her husband SJW a lot. SJW gave YMR his wife’s face which could be compared to the gesture of the god: SJW created a flower, just like Aphrodite and Apollo did. On the other hand, KIW has not created anything yet, he is still living in his memories: he has distorted version of his marriage with YMR. Maybe, the beholder should perceive KIW as the jealous person and not the lover, if we had to compare him to characters from the legends as he is really jealous. YMR loved painting more than anything and he knew that, hence he allowed her to paint but only at her studio and she was not allowed to show any creation to others. Concerning WHK, SJW and doctor Ha, the latter embodies definitely the jealous one who destroyed WHK in the end due to his jealousy and negligence. As conclusion, we understand better why this drama was called love in sadness because all these legends and our drama deal with tragic love, death, pain and sadness. However, this is not the only reference to Greek literature and mythology. In the episodes from this week, we could finally perceive the true personality of doctor Ha Sung Ho. Remember that in my former analysis, I had compared Joo Hae Ra to a praying mantis, SJW to a butterfly and flower and KIW to a cobra. episode 12 While watching this scene, the doctor’s words made me think of the famous fable “La cigale et la fourmi” (The cicada and ant) from Jean de la Fontaine. The latter is a French fabulist from the 17th Century who wrote many fables. He used as source of inspiration, the Greek author, Aesop (an author from ancient times, Antiquity). Here is the fable written by Jean de La fontaine La Cigale, ayant chanté The gay cicada, full of song Tout l’Été, All the sunny season long, Se trouva for dépourvue Was unprovided and brought low, Quand la bise fut venue. When the north wind began to blow ; Pas un seul petit morceau Had not a scrap of worm or fly, De mouche ou de vermisseau. Hunger and want began to cry ; Elle alla crier famine Never was creature more perplexed. Chez la Fourmi sa voisine, She called upon her neighbour ant, La priant de lui prêter And humbly prayed her just to grant Quelque grain pour subsister Some grain till August next ; Jusqu’à la saison nouvelle. Je vous paierai, lui dit-elle, “I’ll pay, ” she said, “what ye invest, Avant l’Oût, foi d’animal, Both principal and interest, Intérêt et principal Honour of insects –and that’s tender. ” La Fourmi n’est pas prêteuse ; The ant, however, is no lender ; C’est là son moindre défaut. That is her least defective side ; « Que faisiez-vous au temps chaud ? “But, hark ye, pray, Miss Borrower, ” she cried, “What were ye doing in fine weather ? ” Dit-elle à cette emprunteuse. “ Singing . . . nay,! look not thus askance, — Nuit et jour à tout venant To every comer day and night together.” Je chantais, ne vous déplaise. “ Singing ! I’m glad of that ; why now then dance. ” — Vous chantiez ? j’en suis fort aise. Eh bien ! dansez maintenant. » (translation from http://www.la-fontaine-ch-thierry.net/onegramu.htm Notice that the cicada doesn’t like working, she is busy enjoying life and in time of need, the cicada visits the ant for help. The behavior of the doctor Ha Sung Ho reminds us a lot of the cicada as both share the same philosophy. They are carefree and even selfish as they let people work for them believing that generosity is a given. In Ha’s eyes, SJW is like an ant forgetting that SJW is working in order to support him and his wife as well. Only after WHK’s car accident, HSH started working like crazy accepting all different kind of patients, even risking the patients’ life. HSH even believes that their office is working so well because he made so many surgeries, but in my opinion, HSH is overestimating himself as he is overlooking SJW’s reputation. SJW was invited to a radio program, he even wrote a book… people from far away are coming to his office. Yet, HSH has never really considered SJW’s work as worthy to be mentioned because he has a different approach: SJW is working for his patients so that the latter can start enjoying their life, while HSH only worked out of guilt and pride. He never cares for his patients in reality. His words can be compared to the singing of the cicada: HSH always tries to praise himself in front of SJW. He is really jealous of SJW and not just because the latter married WHK. HSH could study because of SJW and his family, SJW was definitely the better student. Even after the big revelation, HSH shows his true face: he doesn’t feel sorry that he had an affair with WHK, he just reveals his jealousy and “hatred” for SJW. It would be interesting to see how HSH lives after leaving SJW’s office. As conclusion, our characters from the drama Love in Sadness are all embodied by animals, except YMR: HSH the cicada, SJW the butterfly, KIW the cobra and JHR the praying mantis. But more importantly, it is clear that the writer was inspired by authors from the antiquity: Greek and Roman writers (Aesop, Ovid, aso). @zenya22 @ktcjdrama @MidnightRain @avondale16 @lu09 @tiMadam
  4. @zenya22 I agree with you that these two episodes had less suspense and tension. Today, I can't write much but I'll just say that I still don't believe that WHK had affairs with different men, just like she had an abortion because JHR has always been determined to see WHK as wench. Just like YMR showed him that WHK chose SJW from the start and it was not a coincidence. Sure, she did cheat on him but the question is: why? I hope, we get some answer in the long run. To me, WHK is still a mystery. Concerning doctor Ha, he reminds me a lot of a certain insect: a grasshopper/cicada. I'll explain more about it tomorrow. My next analysis will be about the influence of Greek mythology in this drama and the second self-portray of YMR. @MidnightRain @avondale16 @ktcjdrama
  5. @avondale16 @nrllee @ktcjdrama @turtle0217 I had this crazy theory. What if.... Let me know what you think about this theory!
  6. @nateko How is this drama so far? I know, when it comes to crime/thriller dramas, we have a similar taste. I read so many negative comments, therefore I am hesitating.
  7. I have not watched the episode 11 entirely but one thing is sure: I wished, KIW's father would die. He is such a ruthless tyrant.
  8. @zenya22 I could just watch what kind of flowers were used for the two episodes from this week and after seeing that they chose Allium made me realize something quite important. Little by little, YMR is growing and if you compare the first flower (cistus) to the last one (Allium), you'll notice a huge difference: the size. Each time, the writer chose a flower that was taller than the former one. Allium can become quite big: 150cm... And this leads me to the conclusion that she will return to her original form: the gladiola.
  9. @zenya22 This was a great explanation why YMR received WHK's face... You might be right, SJW might have done it unconsciously hence he got shocked when he saw the results. By the way, I do think that KIW was attracted by WHK/YMR because of the scarf. Notice that the scarf had flowers on it, the pattern resembles a lot to the paintings YMR used to make. However, he didn't feel attracted to her, when KIW met her at the restaurant. He even noticed that she didn't have the scarf. That's why I still believe that KIW is more attracted by the painter and his creations than the woman herself. He showed no reaction at the restaurant, as YMR was dressed differently and had nothing that could remind him of YMR the painter.
  10. The meaning of the moon in Encounter From the start, the writer and drawer make sure that viewers can associate our heroine CSH to the moon. First, let us focus on the first drawing. Here, the princess appears in a dark and gloomy environment. It is not just night, the moon doesn't seem to shine like it should. Notice that it is not even full moon and the moon crescent is even hidden by the huge castle. All these points (moon crescent, hidden by the castle and lack of brilliance) underlines that CSH is not herself in the end. Since the castle embodies Y. Group and the pavilion Donghwa Hotel, we can better understand why CSH is still perceived as the ex-daughter in law of the chairman Kim. Now you might wonder why CSH is connected to the moon? First, it is quite simple. In the poetry, woman is often associated with the moon. This is no coincidence because the menstrual cycle lasts around 28 days which corresponds to the lunar cycle: 28 days. Another point is that in Europe, in many languages the moon is a feminine noun: la lune (French), la luna (Spanish, Italian) aso because they all have the same origin: luna from latin which was also a feminine noun because in the Roman mythology, Luna was a goddess. But now let us go back to our heroine. In the first episode, we witness her awakening which happens with the sunset. It was as if the sun would kiss the sea (another element embodying CSH) which would awaken our heroine. However, the beholder shouldn't forget that the sunset announces the rise of the moon. And now you understand better why CSH acts so differently in Cuba. During this night, the moon shines just like CSH. During this fateful night, CSH reveals herself in front of KJH. She is far away from the castle and the gloomy environment. Striking is that many important events also happen during the night: CSH visits KJH's playground after work. Here she shows more her true personality as she is curious about this place. Here, she plays happily, she can forget her worries and everything else. The scene where KJH is drunk in the episode 5, she cries after leaving KJH because she thinks, she has to cut ties with him. She can not bear the thought therefore she visits the place where there is this huge painting that she likes What caught my attention is this taking. KJH feels happy first, until he looks at these pictures. Look at the photo on the left. The moon is about to be hidden, the moon crescent is barely visible. As you can observe, this picture kind of sends a warning: CSH is about to hide herself again. In the episode 11: she sits on the swing underlining that she is accepting KJH's world. She feels comfortable. She is not hiding as she is also wearing a red coat. And in the last episode, she meets KJH at his playground again. This scene mirrors the scene from the episode 2, however the role are here reversed. While KJH was the one who caught there, CSH is the one who surprises her loved one. And during this night, it not only snowed but also they kissed in that playground. It was as if the kiss sealed their relationship. The beholder can notice that as time passed on, KJH and CSH got closer each time, when they were at the playground. In the former picture, KJH was not equal to CSH. He is on his knees and barely touches her knee. Now, both are standing but KJH embraces without restraint. All these mentioned scenes had something in common: CSH was herself, she never contained her true feelings. She couldn't even hide her thoughts and even her happiness. That's why CSH is like Cinderella. Cinderella is forced to only appear during the night due to the balls. Here, Cinderella shines. Yet, the writer changed one thing. In Cinderella, the protagonist hides her true identity behind her beautiful gown therefore no one can recognize her. In Encounter, it is different. CSH does the opposite: she reveals her true personality. Actually, the situation is reversed. She is not a princess, but a single woman longing for love and warmth. She becomes a normal woman, she drops her princess status. By associating CSH to the moon, we understand better why CSH was suffering from insomnia. The moon is only visible during the night... so CSH could only "live" during the night, as she was living like a corpse during the day. But even during the night, her actions were limited as she was monitored by the media and her ex-mother in law. Her insomnia was a symptom that CSH couldn't live freely. But the moon can not live without the sun as the moon revolves around the sun. In another analysis I had pointed out that the sun symbolizes KJH. Without the sun, the moon can not shine at all and this applies to our heroine. That's why at the end of this drama, the drawing put these two together. KJH as the sun helps CSH to shine, as she can smile and be happy. Let me know what you think about this new analysis. @jl08 @dukesa1122 @stardustvoid @lolipop86gorgeous @nikir@roshzanna@twtwb @avondale16@thistle @rosiepeonie188@angelmas
  11. @nrllee @blademan What caught my attention is that two persons were killed by KGY that's why there were two suitcases. So Kim Gab Yong had received the order to kill two persons and not just one. All this leads me to the conclusion that not only SM's mother took the identity of another person, but there is someone else. KGY removed the patient from the clinic, when he saw the fire and he sent her to another nursery facility. In my opinion, SM's mother worked as a nurse in that clinic in order to take care of the woman who was ill. Both share the same fate. And this is definitely related to this missing person (cr. to @packmule3) My theory is that SM's father killed KGY after torturing him as he wanted to know the whereabouts of his wife. Yet he failed to obtain the info hence he visited SM's place where he found a picture of his wife. So the fire at the clinic was caused by SM's father as he had discovered where she was, but not under which identity. However, KGY was able to save the other woman and have her registered under a different name. In my opinion, after torturing KGY, SM's stalker discovered the name of his wife and where the true person had been buried. He released the suitcase so that the police would discover the murder and the identity of the victim. Now, SM's mother has become a suspect: she might have been the client of KGY so that she could use the identity of the nurse. At some point, the mother will be put on the wanted list and that's exactly what SM's father wants. That way, he can discover her whereabouts. Notice the similarity between the two fires: one was used to fake her death and this fire will reveal that SM's mother never died. And here is the next question: if SM and his mother were abused by the father and husband, why didn't they call the police for protection? Based on SM's words, they were both hiding that's why they would often move to a different apartment. Don't forget that they had been living in that building for just one month. So in my opinion, SM's father must have some connection to the police. SM is put in a difficult position as he needs to reveal the true identity of the culprit from 13 years ago in order to catch his stalker. On the other hand, he has this new arson which will reveal that his mother faked her death and that SM had been an accomplice. That's why he needs LA to find clues between the two cases as soon as possible.
  12. @Ahmad Kamil Thanks a lot for the subtitles. I am really enjoying the story so far. I believe that CDH realized that HDG's mother was his first victim and he discovered the body. So by admitting that he killed the woman 5 years ago, he will be prosecuted for the murder of his own mother. This explains why he never went home after his release. So when CDH visited the mother's house, he found traces of the murder. @ktcjdrama I can understand why CDH doesn't want to rely on the former captain because he doesn't like his way of investigation. Kim relies a lot on his guts/ feelings which really annoys CDH. CDH wants concrete evidence and notice that only after the verdict, Kim was able to find a clue that HDG was the culprit. As conclusion, back then Kim did a sloppy job. However, I believe that they will come to an understanding in the long run. Kim is misjudging CDH thinking that he is amoral or even worse, he has no conscience. In reality, he does have a conscience. In his eyes, the police and prosecution are just incompetent. Notice how the prosecutor tried to sabotage him with his little tricks. @tofuetoffee Yes, it is quite pretty certain that she is related to the donor's heart. But in my opinion, she is interested in him because she wants to investigate the circumstances of her son's death. This explains why she is determined to help CDH and actually will do anything when it comes to prosecution and investigation. She also thinks, her son's death has been covered up. We actually see how her relative died: the taxi hit by the white truck. CDH actually saw the donor's face. Indirectly, he is telling him that he was murdered. It looks like he often has this nightmare... however, I sense that it was the first time that he had a hallucination: the face of a different man.
  13. @raziela I was right with my theory. JSH wanted to create more items through the train crash.
  14. @zenya22 @ktcjdrama @MidnightRain @avondale16 Last time, I had analyzed this painting. We could see a change in YMR's state of mind. First, there is light signifying that there is hope. Secondly, the bouquet is protected from the rain by a red umbrella. The umbrella is a metaphor for SJW, he is her protector. However, since the surrounding is quite dark (it is night) and it is raining, we can see that YMR is still under the influence of the fear. She seems to be still disoriented. I mean her trauma is huge as she has been living in hell for 5 years. It takes time, until YMR can get rid of PDST. She has not found her own strength yet, as the flowers are relying on the umbrella. The petunias are also hiding under the umbrella which reflects YMR's actual situation. She is hiding behind SJW and WHK's face. Besides, the night and rain are linked to the fateful time, when YMR's path crossed SJW's. And this is no coincidence. As conclusion, this painting could be perceived as a metaphor for her fateful meeting with SJW that night. He gave her hope, protected her by taking her with his car and told her that he would do the surgery. Yet as time passes on, we see other pictures from our painter. These are the paintings SJW discovers, when he visits YMR's place for the first time. Here we witness another evolution in YMR's state of mind. What caught my attention is the contrast between these pictures and the painting with the umbrella. Little by little, nature is coming back to life. Notice that here the flowers are in the center of the pictures. The traces of darkness have disappeared. The flowers don't need protection at all. They are not hiding behind an umbrella. No, the flowers show themselves as they are. Yet this observation must be put in perspective which I will explain further below. Striking is that we see the number of flowers increasing: we have two lilies, then three plumerias, 4 red flowers etc. Moreover the presence of a civilization is disappearing. Only the one third picture shows a table made of wood with a white cup of tea. The orange, blue and yellow paintings have all something in common: the background looks more artificial. So 4 pictures out of 5 don't show nature as such. There are all still lives. The only elements associated to nature are the different flowers and that's it. The green painting with the plumerias contrasts to the others because here we can observe a change in the background: YMR used a prairie of grass, more exactly of clovers as background. Clover is associated to luck which illustrates that YMR feels more positive. That's why I said that nature is coming back to life. She thinks, she might be able to move on with her life. Yet there is no sky in it. The sky often symbolizes freedom. Here the plumerias are living among clovers... it was as if they were living freely, yet also hiding among clovers so that people might not see them. So here again, YMR's picture mirrors her own situation: she is living anonymously, among people so that KIW won't be able to find her. Concerning the other paintings (artificial background or the table), we could say that the flowers hid themselves from the world as they were not put outdoors. And here is her latest creation which reveals how much YMR has changed. This time, the sky occupies a big part of the picture indicating that YMR feels more free. The flowers are also put in a meadow but here they can not hide behind the grass as the red bouquet is higher than the grass. Interesting is that this time, there is a butterfly. Actually, a butterfly needs flowers to live thanks to the pollen. Butterflies are fragile and yet beautiful. I would associate them with kindness, gentleness and usefulness. Don't forget the expression "the butterfly effect" outlining the butterfly can have a huge impact on the environment and people. Thanks to butterflies (and bees), we can harvest fruits. Without these little insects, we wouldn't be able to live in a healthy environment. To conclude, the butterfly is here not to protect the flowers, it is quite the opposite. The butterfly is actually relying on the flowers. And this painting is actually made just before YMR decides to help HR by acting as WHK. Therefore I come to the interpretation that this butterfly embodies SJW. And it does fit his personality: his love for flowers, his gentleness, his kindness... he doesn't show any strength, yet thanks to him, people are coming back to life (YMR and his other patients). In my opinion, this painting mirrors the actual situation: YMR wants to help SJW in reality as she feels gratitude. She knows deep down that he needs her, even if he won't say it. So here in YMR's mind, the relationship between SJW and YMR has changed: in her eyes, SJW needs her as he is facing some financial problems. She becomes his support, while SJW is trying to keep acting as her umbrella. This explains why YMR is attracted to SJW in the end and she is even falling for him. Flowers and the butterfly have a deep connection which the cobra has not. So if HR is a preying mantis and SJW a butterfly, then at some point she will destroy him with her actions. Don't forget that she perceives herself as a flower, while I see her as an insect. So that's it. What do you think about this interpretation? Just let me know...
  15. @nrllee I have the impression that SM wants LA to read him because SM has himself troubles to remember his past and the other reason is that he can not approach his mother directly. SM is taking pills and is suffering from a trauma. The fire was the trigger for his mother to fake her death. SM decided to help her that way but he knows that his father is still remaining by his side as he never bought the death of SM's mother. It looks like SM and his mother suffered a lot due to the father/husband: violence, abuse... I am even wondering if SM has not inherited something from his father: sociopath tendencies. First, he looked up what love meant and what obsess was, secondly he has problems to understand emotions, he can not read how they feel. Moreover, this would explain why LA has problems to read SM. This would be his biggest secret... However, I believe that thanks to LA, SM was able to change and become a decent person. In his room, there is also a painting showing multiple personalities and it is a clue that SM is not revealing his true self to his brother.
  16. @tiMadam @zenya22 Thanks a lot for your compliment. Honestly, this weekend I had very important things to do for school hence I hadn't the time and the energy to think about the paintings. So since requested, I'll write something about it.
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  18. Did she ask him to marry her? No. Like you even pointed out, she replied that there were other women more suitable for him which shows to me that she had never marriage in her mind. And if you look at the proposal, I see no romantic gesture or words from his part. First, he doesn't ask her if she wants to marry him like any man would do. He just put the rings on the table without saying anything. Her reaction: She is surprised which KIW doesn't understand. He only asks her why. He wonders why she is surprised. He is quite direct: "What's so surprising? The ring? or the marriage?" She explains that they don't know each other so well (less than a month since their first meeting). Then she wonders why he is proposing with a ring, and not saying anything else. Notice that he never says that he wants to marry her because he loves her. Does he confess his love for her? No. She is definitely resisting him hence he is not pleased at all. Look at his facial expression. He looks quite annoyed. He doesn't even look into her eyes, when she explains her surprise and hesitation. That's why he stands up and declares in front of her that this will be the first and last time that he will go on his knee. He is forced to lower himself in front of her. His words illustrate his huge ego and pride. He considers himself superior to her. Her reluctance bothers him as he expected, she would agree very quickly. Why? His reason is simple: all this time, many women wanted to marry him hence he thought, she would act like the others but she is not. After getting on his knees, she actually moves away from him. He ignores her discomfort. He just takes her hand and tells her that they are getting married in a month at this hotel. Notice that he still doesn't ask her if she wants to marry him. He already gives her an order. She explains that she has an exhibition in a month and here we have the reason why KIW wanted to rush the marriage. He knew that she would become famous and he couldn't keep her by his side if she showed her new paintings. Out of selfishness, he rushed for a marriage. And even his words: "From the moment I first saw you, I wanted to marry you." Even here, his selfishness is palpable with the repetition of the pronoun "I" as subjects! YMR is here the object ("you") Notice that she is not allowed to say anything. He uses his mother in order to blackmail her emotionally as he knows what her mother means to her... "Please take it" = here we have another order since he uses the imperative form. He still gives order in the hand. That's why I said that he forced her to marry him. Sure, he doesn't beat her here... but his rudeness and lack of consideration are already visible. He doesn't accept a no for answer. She always tries to find a point to refuse. She never agreed immediately... She even said that she couldn't marry him yet due to her mother. I never saw anything romantic the way he proposed, even with the reply you quoted. She showed surprise, reluctance, her work as painter to reject his proposal. Time was used twice as an excuse (they barely know each other, she has an exhibition) which KIW refused. So he totally overlooked her objection and her interest. He didn't confess his love for her, he didn't ask her to marry him... he didn't say that he wanted to marry her for love. From the start, he just ignored YMR's words and he never asked her if she loved him. Love was never a topic during the proposal that's why I think that the reasons she gave to SJW why she married KIW were reasons she thought afterwards... in order to convince herself that she made the right decision. Yes, we will never agree with each other. With all your points (like f. ex. YMR is easily swept away, she never loved her husband etc.) you give me the impression that in your eyes, YMR is the culprit for his violence. She never loved him, she ran away from him, she never really tried to change him. KIW is like that because the poor man had a rough childhood and became like that because of his father... if YMR had loved him very much, then he would have been a normal husband. You turn the perpetrator into a victim... And what would you say if YMR had died after getting beaten by him?
  19. But don't forget that she didn't want to marry him in the first place and he put her under pressure... hence she kind of accepted his proposal. In order to persuade herself that she made the right decision, she convinced herself with these points. Fact is that she didn't want to marry him, so that's true that her feelings were not so deep for him. She barely knew him (3 weeks/one month) and after his proposal, they got married one month later. So he was after her and not the other way around. She never seduced him or even faked any feeling towards him. She was quite genuine, when she refused first his proposal. And his proposal looked like a business deal: nothing romantic at all.
  20. That's exactly the scene I was referring to. I interpret it differently. For me, he was definitely talking about suspect and not evidence, especially because he used the metaphor of crocodiles. He compared the behavior of a crocodile chasing a prey, that's why in my opinion the captain was talking about suspects as crocodiles feed on living beings. "Once they bite down, they never let go". So in his eyes, once there is a suspect, they have to ensure that the suspect is convicted. Concerning the unsolved cases, the captain disliked the idea of unsolved cases because it meant that no culprit had been found. And in my opinion, this reveals why the captain is so determined to have a suspect. Once they have someone, they make sure that he ends up convicted. Don't forget that one of the detectives was praising that 95 % of the cases were solved... implying that they had always found the culprit. A solved case doesn't necessarly mean that the real culprit has been caught. It only means that someone was convicted for that crime. Their investigation was really sloppy because they never tried to find a motive for that murder. They only had circumstantial evidence. And CDH is right: they were incompetent. I can relate to CDH's action because he knows what it means, when the police arrest an innocent. His own father ended up as convicted murderer and the police could proudly announce that the case had been solved. The number (95%) doesn't reflect the reality, doesn't really reveal if justice has prevailed or not. I am even thinking that this captain would even kill someone in order to frame the man so that he ends up in jail. Don't you find it weird that he popped up at the police station right after the discovery of the murder. That's how much I actually dislike the former captain. But I guess, we will have to disagree on this.
  21. @ktcjdrama I agree with you. I'm not bothered by SJW's action at all because in the end, it is the best protection for YMR. KIW is getting confused, he is still looking for YMR, although she is right in front of him. @zenya22 I see it a little differently, when it comes to HR. In my eyes, she is the main reason why the marriage between WHK and SJW didn't work out. I don't buy anything what HR says because she is always lying. And the thing is that SJW has not realized yet what HR did behind his back: HR said that SJW would never do the surgery which wasn't right. Besides, I have the feeling that doctor Ha and HR will use the affair and the face as a point in order to destroy the relationship between YMR and SJW.
  22. Great first episode! That's a pity that we have to wait so long for the subtitles. Honestly, the attitude of the police bothers me just like the prosecution. The comment from the former captain annoyed me a lot: "you have to bite like a dog and never let the suspect go". So in the end, the moment he considers someone is guilty, then he will do anything to turn him into a culprit. He claims that he is working for the victims and their family, yet in reality this is not true.
  23. So far, I had more the impression that the 12 items not only belonged to people who died during the fire but they had a special meaning to the deceased. The "detective" wanted to propose to his girlfriend (HJ), the couple wanted to put their memories in it, the student had bought it for his deceased father, the painter had bought the bracelet for his daughter aso. No one claimed for these items as no one knew about the existence of these items. The daughter had no idea that her father had bought a bracelet for her, the girlfriend had no idea about the ring, etc. So all the items had a special meaning... it was as if they had made a promise, had expressed a wish. This is the reason why there is this room of wishes. However, the purpose of this special room is to fulfill their wish. Maybe their wishes have changed, they don't want another tragedy to happen. Because if my theory is true, then JSH needs to create another disaster so that new items would be created... that's why he plans a train crash.
  24. Sorry, I can not root for KIW at all, although the actor is doing a terrific job. You wonder why a woman after 5 years of marriage can fall in love with another man? After reading your comment, I have the impression that you are describing the woman as unfaithful and as easily swept away. I can understand why YMR falls for the surgeon because during these 5 years, she had been abused by her husband. SJW acts the exact opposite of her own husband. SJW will do anything to protect her, the husband will do anything to imprison her while claiming to protect her. From whom did she need protection in the past? Who was threatening her? No one, except the husband. YMR doesn't love him any more, I wouldn't either in her place and it is her right to do so. How can you overlook the domestic violence? The marriage lasted 5 years because YMR couldn't divorce him... if she had had the means, she would have left him a long time ago. It is a common knowledge that an abused spouse should leave the husband, the opposite often happens because the victims believe that if they keep loving the violent spouse, he might change due to their love which NEVER happens!! (the savior syndrome that @zenya22 mentioned) Don't forget that each painting with flowers represent her body full of bruises... So have you seen how many paintings that were in her studio? She must have been hurt very often. My major problem is not the face... I really dislike KIW for many reasons: his violence, his selfishness, his ruthlessness, his possessiveness and his delusion. This is not love at all.
  25. I really enjoyed reading your long analysis. I agree with you that WHK and dr. Ha seem to be similar which explains why WHK fell for him at some point. However, I would like to add that in my opinion, HR played a bigger role in creating a riff in the couple SJW-WHK than it meets the eye. First, we shouldn't take as face value what HR said about WHK, she was not a talented artist and HR was the one who ran the gallery. Notice that for 5 years, the gallery has not been working very well and during this time, HR was the one running it and not WHK. Secondly, in her argument with SJW, one sentence from her caught my attention. Notice that HR didn't say that SJW was always by her side, but ON her side. With these words, she implies that SJW would always choose to follow HR's advice or even to believe HR over someone else and in this case, I sense that SJW might have more listened to HR than his wife. And this would explain why WHK resented her husband and decided to cheat on him. To me, SJW is not aware of the negative influence HR had on his marriage. First, he will question WHK's decision, once he discovers the identity of the lover... Actually, SJW needs to realize HR's true nature. Don't forget that I compared her to a preying mantis. As such, a mantis can not share her flower to anyone else. In my opinion, HR is delusional herself, when she considers herself as a flower: unchanging love and big ambition. In reality, she is a preying mantis which can be cruel and ruthless. Notice that she has no problem to throw YMR under the bus for her own interest.
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