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  1. There is one thing I have to correct in the k-drama. The novel "The Beauty and the Beast" wasn't written during the Middle-Age.  Middle Age ends at the end of the  15th Century and the fairy tale Jeanne Marie Le prince de Beaumont wrote was published in the 18th Century. Sure, the story existed before through oral tradition but the author lived in the Absolutist period.


    And what people tend to forget is that the Beast was not just ugly, it has poor manners and behaved like "a wild animal". Belle was not just beautiful, she was famous for her modesty and her open-mindedness. So here, we have our ML turning into a Beast, a modernized version... as KT has been restraining himself for too long. For the first time, he expressed his true feelings. 

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  2. The last episode was really interesting because it showed how truthful memories are. KT had forgotten what happened when it rained because his negative emotions left a bigger impression than the good ones. It was the same for the mother who lost her daughter. So what appeared as a reality in KT's mind was in fact not the reality. As a young boy, he missed things. Someone needed to remind him that he couldn't see the whole picture.

    I have the feeling that it is the same for MY. Her mother left such a negative impression on her that she is like a ghost in her life. But just like KT, she might have forgotten good memories. She seems only to remember the bad ones, like her father strangling her or her mother threatening her. The mother could have decided to disappear and live at the OK hospital because she realized that she represented a danger to her own daughter.

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  3. 11 hours ago, Dramafreak said:

    @bebebisous33 so I have a question for you :D


    what do you think ST feels for MY? It is definitely a crush but do you see more there? 


    also, is MY always treating ST as a pawn to get what she wants from GT? Is MY capable of loving someone?


    others (i just didnt know who all to tag) please feel free to jump in to give your inputs while we wait for Saturday :)

    I don't think that she is treating ST as a pawn because she protected him at her event. She recognized the injustice. In my opinion, she is very sensitive, when it comes to stigmatization. She has been labelled all her life which doesn't mean that she doesn't care. Quite the opposite... Her mother seems to have treated her like a doll (brushing her hair, describing her as her best creation), in other words like an object with no feeling at all. She did resent her situation but with no one acting like a role model how could she express her anger and her pain? She is neither a doll nor an empty can because she shows feelings.

    So her intervention underlines a certain sense of justice. She knew how people would perceive ST's behavior and show disdain towards him. She has a good perception of the dynamic between the two brothers too. As for ST, I sense that he likes MY very much because he can understand her through the fairy tales. He is able to understand her sensitivity through her stories despite the dark colors and titles. The brother might not be able to understand certain things but he is much more intelligent than he looks like.     

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  4. 18 hours ago, Dramafreak said:

    I keep wondering if she hasnt been back to the cursed castle in 20 years then when did her mom pass away and when was the father hospitalised. How was she brought up? She obviously did not stay in the small town for much longer than GT as her mom passed away when she was young?


    @bebebisous33 i do not know who you were answering to but head nurse met MY when MY was interviewed and asked to give classes by the director. I dont think head nurse is the mum.


    The thing about plastic surgery was intriguing. 


    Still catching up with the posts but at times i am enjoying the show so much that I just want to go where it wants to take me :)


    I hope they continue creating the magic that keeps us entertained :)

    I know that MY met the head nurse. I was replying to someone who was thinking that she might be MY's mother.

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  5. @madmad min @YongZura⁷ @vangsweetie637 I have the feeling that maybe MY's mother could have had a sister. We know nothing about her family. Striking is that the face of the mother has never been properly revealed. So we have two possibilities: MY could have been harassed by someone else... like f. ex. the twin sister. I know that it sounds crazy but her mother was never properly introduced. 

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  6. 12 minutes ago, madmad min said:

    @bebebisous33 Your Insightful Posts are Love, but they are not visible Propely in Soompi Nightmode Theme. :cries3:  I had to either change back or highlight the words with cursor to read it.



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    My Memory does not serve me right but did Head Nurse and MY ever Interact?, 


    1. MY's dad and MY have interacted twice now, excluding the flashback wherein he is strangling her. Once she passed by so DAD did not have enough time to strangle MY, second time he did. We do not know precisely if Head Nurse caused the trigger.

    2. If Head Nurse is possibly MY' mom then MY due to trauma has forgotten her face --->>This is possible since she actually thought the Rich lady wearing fur was her Mother.


    Interesting and Out of BOX Take, since this show has elements of mystery this theory sounds great.

    I thought that I had changed the color but it seems that I had overlooked the older ones. 

    The nurse was present, when MY was strangled the second time. So the person who observed her from afar was someone else.

    I agree with @YongZura⁷ that Yuri's mother can't be MY's mother because she remembers the face of Juri's mother.

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  7. 1 hour ago, fluffyloaf said:


    Thanks for your insightful reply @bebebisous33! Really enjoyed reading your take on things! Yes I do agree on what you say about Rapunzel's tale having a role to play in the plot and the theme of child abuse.  


    However I think the story of Rapunzel does not depict the parents' refusal to allow the child to grow up and their desire to keep her by their side. Correct me if I am wrong since I am not actually too familiar about literature pieces but the original story of Rapunzel seems to tell of parents who instead of trying to keep their child by their side, casually gives their child away to a witch out of their selfish and impulsive desires?


    From how I see it, Rapunzel's tale might have been more relevant in the sense of MY and KT's relationship. Her entrapment in the cursed castle. KT and the prince as a symbolism of the freedom she sees outside of the confines of the castle/tower. And a possible obstacle symbolised by the witch that might act as an element to separate their love for each other. Treading on danger to be with each other.


    In the context of her parents, perhaps we can see it in the sense that MY was trapped in the cursed castle due to the selfishness and her parents' love for each other more than their prioritisation of her as their child. Just as Rapunzel was easily traded off for some herbs desired by her mother, the welfare of MY was easily traded off whenever her parents had bigger priorities to protect. It is also said that Rapunzel's story on entrapment extends to her parents as well. Her father was trapped by his love towards her mother and fulfilling her mother's desires. Her mother was trapped by her own desires. Maybe there is an underlying correlation

    Well, I have to say that when I wrote this, I was more thinking about the modernized version which I liked it very much. The woman was not her biological mother but this doesn't matter... she acted like the step-mother in the older fairy tales. Fact is that she wanted the girl to remain by her side so that she could stay young. And this is definitely connected to the fact that the moment the "children" leave the house, the parents realize that they have grown old. Besides, if you take this story on another level, you'll notice that the witch wanted Rapunzel to rely only on her. She never allowed the girl to leave the tower, to meet new people and discover the world. That's I interpret this story.... But like I mentioned it a few days ago, each person learns a different lesson from a fairy tale.

    But this interpretation fits the story because in the episodes 5 and 6, one of the main topics was to let go of a child... here ST. KT acts like a mother.

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  8. @fluffyloafLLet us not forget that the episode 5 was called "Rapunzel" hence MY's life is connected to Rapunzel and BlueBeard.

    Some said that the story about "Rapunzel" is about child abuse, yet there is another message in this story. The mother refuses her child to grow up and discover the world. By being captive in her castle, it was as if the child was forced to remain by the parents's side, their refusal that the child had at some point to leave them.

    When it comes to BlueBeard, it can be perceived as domestic violence against the spouse, especially from our modern perspective. The wives were mistreated until they died. However, the morals written at the end of Bluebeard are totally different: wives are supposed to listen to their husband. Strict obedience is asked. Women in Perrault's fairy tales are often ridiculed and criticized: Griselidis, Bluebeard, Cinderella etc. The image of women is not very positive, except for the heroine which represents the exception.


    Furthermore what people don't usually know is that the original fairy tale written by Charles Perrault is in reality an accurate description of the society and indirectly a satire. Impoverished aristocrats are ready for monstrous alliances/marriages with the rising bourgeoisie...The last wife married him because of his wealth and not title. Bluebeard was not a noble, but a bourgeois, while the protagonist belonged the declining nobility. Furthermore the author Perrault criticized the venality of offices. The wife's brothers could buy their office as captains thanks to the fortune of their brother-in-law, Bluebeard. As you can see, even there the heroine and her family are criticized through the fairy tale. We have to remember that Perrault wrote in a period where critic was not allowed and there was censure.


    When MY is threatened by her mother, she would kill the prince who would come to rescue her, it could definitely be a reference to Rapunzel. She was saved by a prince who climbed the tower. Her mother was brutal in her words but she didn't want to be left alone in that big house. We shouldn't forget that MY's father built that house for his wife, MY's mother. I have the impression that he had an obsession for his wife and she ended up held captive in that cursed castle. His obsession is palpable through the building and the different portraits of her. I can imagine that due to his abnormal jealousy and obsession, the mother got so isolated that she ended up suffering from depression. I have the impression that she did attempt to commit suicide because she couldn't bear her situation. This could explain why the mother became so obsessed with her daughter. She represented the only comfort in her life hence she couldn't allow her daughter to run away with the prince. This would explain her violence as well because she was so desperate. 

    I have the feeling that at some point the mother must have resented her husband so much that she might have attempted to strangle him. Moreover, I suspect that the birth of his daughter changed the dynamic in the dysfunctional couple. The father might have resented his daughter because she diverted her attention from him hence he might have started abusing her and at some point she ended up in the cellar. He wanted his wife to focus only on him. So when she strangled him but failed, this might have caused the father to retaliate against his own daughter, blaming her for the estrangement with his wife and her violent and strange behavior.   

    This could be another explanation. From my point of view, both parents are to blame for MY's traumas.   

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  9. @40somethingahjumma Yes, the problem is using this kind of word has become a normality. However, we shouldn't forget that words have power. Just like Hitler kept using more and more violent expressions to the point that the listeners had got used to it and were not surprised if the spoken words became a reality: it is called desensibilisation.  

    Fact is that no one can judge like that... due to the internet, it has become a normality to judge too quickly, f. ex. push the button "like". However, time is essential for a judgement and verdict. Nothing can be rushed, hence I abhor this kind of behavior. That's why I like this drama, the so-called normal people like JR or KT and KT's friend are not actually sensitive and good. KT told MY harsh things twice... especially with the money, while he is not free from issues... just like MY. KT keeps lying to his brother ("I'll never lie to you again", this is a promise that can never be fulfilled). KT knows that lies hurt his brother, yet he is constantly lying to him and to himself.  

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  10. 10 minutes ago, Misstinker said:

    Thank you very much you are correct and did your research I'm very surprised the drama didnt they pick a disorder and give her some symptoms and called it a day also a person cant be diagnosed with ASPD as an adult it can only be diagnosed in a child if your an adult it cant be proven I'm just saying if they want to bring awareness they should atlease do it correctly so they dont confuse people I dont think people really know what ASPD is like that's a scary diagnosis serial kills are diagnosed with ASPD our girl just a little off 

    Thanks for the compliment! I am no psychologist, just a teacher and as such, I am very careful with any diagnosis/judgement.


    I had one student who was suffering from Tourette Syndrome and it was only diagnosed, when I was his teacher. The thing is that due to his behavior, his teacher from his primary school got a very bad impression of him and even thought that he would never get a high school diploma. She was expecting he would get bad grads in my French class, when I met her by coincidence. 


    But even if his "illness" meant more work for me, I did everything in my power so that his classmates wouldn't condemn him therefore I took deliberately his side, showing that this was nothing extraordinary. He just had an handicap. So he did get his high school diploma and this parents rewarded me for my encouraging behavior.


    That's why it is very important to be careful with any judgement or diagnosis (first he was categorized as child suffering from ADHD) and always show understanding. Understanding doesn't mean that the person won't get scolded for wrongdoings. 

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  11. I still don't believe in this diagnosis ASPD. First, it was stated by the journalist who tried to blackmail her. How can we take his words seriously? Secondly, these are the characteristics for a person suffering from ASPD. 

    • socially irresponsible behavior
    • disregarding or violating the rights of others
    • inability to distinguish between right and wrong
    • difficulty with showing remorse or empathy
    • tendency to lie often
    • manipulating and hurting others
    • recurring problems with the law
    • Hostility, significant irritability, agitation, aggression or violence
    • general disregard towards safety and responsibility (quoted from) https://www.healthline.com/health/psychopath#signs /

    Just because she is stealing doesn't make her a sociopath. I would rather say that she is suffering from cleptomania. Then when she tried to stab the man, we shouldn't forget that she acted after witnessing how the little girl had been hurt and she had been called a lunatic due to her words. She was definitely affected by his words. Sure, her action was morally and legally wrong but even a normal person affected by a crime can retaliate. Why do we have people who ask for death penalty or kills someone out of revenge or hurt? These persons are never called sociopaths or psychopaths. They do it on affect. Then committing a crime like driving too fast... should we call all these persons who are driving carelessly also sociopaths?

    Sure, you will answer that the addition of her wrongdoings is the problem. Yet, if you read all the features, you'll notice that many of them are not visible in MY.


    She defended the right of ST and demonstrated that the person who committed a crime was the father. He assaulted ST first. Who lied later? The parents... She shows that she is able to feel empathy for others... and not just one person like ST but also for MT, the son of the politician and the patients from that psychiatry institution. She is willing to defend the weak ones. She knew what kind of problems they had hence she chose the right fairy tales for them.


    She is listening to MT and realized her mistake, hence she decided to keep her word in the end. She went to pay a visit to her father like she had promised. She followed MT's advice and reproach. So she is learning her lessons too and she shows some regret.


    She is not violent per se, she becomes aggressive, when she is threatened, like with the journalist or with the suicidal father. 

    Then she doesn't lie as she is very honest with MT and even with the son of the politician. She doesn't hide her disdain and contempt for others... she is brutally honest. She knows how to be responsible for ST and she did that on many occasions. She shows more empathy towards weak persons because she knows deep down that the so-called normal people can be the most dangerous ones. That's why there is this work written by Hanna Arendt "Banalität des Bösen" (German)/ "Banality of Evil" because the normal people were the ones responsible for the Holocaust and not the mentally unstable ones. Her book represents an plea to civil courage and empathy... to stop people from discriminating and hurting others due to their differences. And this is exactly what MY is doing.


    Her methods might be too rough and unorthodox but her intention is clear. Besides, she wanted to suffer the consequences of her actions (she asked to be called for the "kidnapping") but MT chose otherwise. 


    My point is the following. She has definitely issues but she is not per se suffering from ASPD. Her cleptomania is a signal. She wants to get attention as she has always felt lonely. If she was suffering from ASPD, no doctor in his right mind would entrust her with mentally unstable patients. This would be dangerous and could be considered as a crime. She has been isolated all her life hence she needs to be reintegrated into society and to meddle with people that's why the doctor proposed her this offer. He knows that she has problems but we shouldn't forget that she did sign the papers for her father in the end. She didn't even stop her father while he was strangling her, she didn't even retaliate which shows how his first murder attempt has left a deep scar in her heart. 


    She is an asocial person as she didn't really grow up in society, was secluded due to her familial situation and later due to her career and stigmatization as sociopath/psychopath. In my opinion, there is a reason why she was hesitating to save the boy (the flower), she had never received any help before and she didn't know the true value of a human being. Her own mother described her as an object, the perfect creation.   


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  12. 8 hours ago, Nymeria289 said:

    That part I couldn't understand. I think it was protocol that a relative goes with the patient but then she didn't. So, how does this work??


    She is not her friend. The director wanted to gauge her reaction to understand the situation better, I believe he understands and senses more than he lets on. 

    My problem with her is that she seems fake. Yes, she is soft spoken, docile but I don't know if its the actor or the script, she seems duplicitous. As if she is hiding away her true feelings and walking around egg shells careful not to reveal what she truly is like. I mean Juri's mom, I don't feel this with her, I only feel it around Juri. I can't quite pinpoint it but she makes me uncomfortable and that is saying a lot given there is an anti-social, ready to commit murder, volatile anti-social person around. 

    The thing is that the mother never followed the patient. So why ask in the first place? Furthermore why the need of the relative if the responsibility already lies in the hospital hands? She acts as if she wanted to help the family but in reality she was not, she definitely shows no empathy for any patient.


    Yes, I feel like Yuri is fake and even a little vicious. I know that the doctor was testing her but her words revealed more about herself. She even realized her pettiness after. But there is more pettiness, also jealousy and hypocrisy. 

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  13. 1 hour ago, Nymeria289 said:

    Moon Young's mother is alive and in the hospital....she was the one watching her from afar. Also, that is why Ju Ri was surprised that Moon Young registered her dead.

    Also, are the hospital stuff properly trained. How come nobody took care of Moon Young after she got choked to death and laughed like a maniac. That part really irked me. I think only hospital director understands patients well, others seem way to quick to judge.

    I felt exactly the same way. They neglected her, while she had been the one who got assaulted.


    The way she laughed was really heartbreaking. She was dying inside... her smile was so fake. How come that they remained immobile next to her and did nothing?


    What irked me the most in this episode is Juri. The woman acts like a princess but each action she does hurts people:

    - she took the mother to the son while explaining that she needed a relative. Actually, she didn't need to. She should have expected the mother's reaction. But no, for her what matters the most is the family or better said the appearances.

    - the fact that she didn't GMY and let MKT get slapped. She did nothing to help him...

    - she claims to be GMY's friend, yet she asks for her dismissal.

    Honestly, I am quite sure that if she started dating and even married MKT, she would ask at some point that MST is sent elsewhere or needs to live without his brother aso. I sense that her gentleness towards MST is rather fake, just like she is nice to MKT's friend in order to remain close to MKT. 

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  14. 2 hours ago, Nodame said:

    @RanP As someone yet to watch the episodes I loved your thoughts. Cutting all the societal BS and etiquettes and norms and being honest and direct , wow!Seems KT leery of MG for good reason! She causes him to feel and be honest with her and he cannot ignore here or fob off her attention with inane platitudes. I too not knowledgeable about psychology but very interesting.:sparklyeyes:


    The legendary @bebebisous33 I always get giddy when I see you in a forum! Mad respect for your posts and thoughts! Excited and grateful to read your insightful posts! Thank you & more excited to watch the episodes later today after my lunch plans.:hooray2:

    Thanks a lot for the compliment! :hooray2: Where did you get these cute emojis?


    Right now, I am only watching this k-drama because I have less time. Imagine that I am writing so many analyses about a manhwa which also caught the attention of the author! However, I have to say that this k-drama is terrific because it uses fairy tales but at the same time, it feels so realistic. It makes you question about the definition of normality.


    Who hasn't got a flaw like MY said? Some might suffer from mental illness, others are handicapped physically or mentally or others have issues like dyscalculia or dyslexia or auditory perceptual disorder or some are suffering from asthma, diabetes etc... This is the reason why "normality" can become somehow dangerous. People who don't fit in these criteria are excluded which can lead to another catastrophe.


    I doubt that MY is suffering from antisocial personality disorder as she can feel empathy, she knows what is right and wrong. She knows what regret and remorse are. She did fight for others. All these characteristics are showing that this is not her illness. Sure, she has issues but the way she deals with them is telling so much about her: she is very strong because she returned to that the cursed castle despite the bad memories.   

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  15. And now I am wondering about the butterfly scene again. I had another idea.


    We know that MST has nightmares because of the butterflies and each year they have to move. MKT said that because of his brother, he can't develop any friendship and can't have any relationship. What if MST saw the interaction between MY and MKT and understood the meaning? 


    Maybe MS felt that MKT would distance himself from him if he loves someone else... Since he had been used to be MKT's center of attention, he sensed that the appearance of a woman in their life would endanger his position so unconsciously he made sure that his brother would never get close to any woman. I am not saying that MST does it on purpose but he is driven by his unconscious. And this would explain why MST adores MY so much as a writer because if he likes her, then MKT is not allowed to love her. He knows that MKT would prioritize him.


    This theory came to my mind because of the van. MST's decision to buy a van reflects his awareness of MKT's longing: getting settle down and having a home. However, by buying a camping car, the autistic man ensures that MKT will never get close to any woman and have his own family. Let me know what you think about it.

    @triplem  @vangsweetie637 @bedifferent 

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  16. I really love this show because the supposed "normal" people are actually portrayed in such way that you can't help questioning the definition of normality. Here,  their normality is actually a flaw, it was as if in fact they were not right in their mind:

    - the father who grabbed MST's hair although the man had done nothing as giving some explanations about the dinosaur.

    - The politician who abused his son for not being so smart like the others and neglected him because of that

    The lies, the selfishness, the prejudices and the hypocrisy are what define these so called normal persons. They might be mentally normal but they have no heart in reality. 

    And I suspect that Juri is quite similar to them. Behind her smiles and gentleness, I sense her selfishness and arrogance. She condemns MY for neglecting her father since she is not acting as expected as a guardian. Yuri but doesn't want to understand why MY is so distant from her father. All of them lack empathy which is not true for MY.

    She is definitely right about the fairy tales... these stories teach lessons about the world and it is not about a happy ending. The Ugly duckling reveals the intolerance for people who are different, criticizes the stigmatization and the bullying as such. The ending of this story is that despite the harshness of life, the outcast can turn into a good and beautiful person due to his persistence. I also think that MY's decision was right for the politician's son as his speech liberated him from his father's shadow where he could reveal his father's true colors. On the other hand, MY's recklessness will have consequences for MKT as he was the one responsible. The injustice MKT suffers could cause an outburst... because so far, MKT had never expressed his frustration and anger in front of others, except MY. 

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  17. I have been wondering if the incident with the butterfly, where GMY ripped it in front of MKT is not related to Juri. It is definitely possible that Juri had already noticed MKT following GMY. Remember that GMY mentioned that she knew Juri's mother and it gave me the impression that GMY was close to Juri and her mother before. What if Juri gave GMY a bad advice intentionally so that MKT would leave GMY's side?


    As for the red shoes, I see it in a positive way, just like GMY sees the positive aspects in the witch. The red shoes gave her strength, the "supernatural" power to move closer to MKT, to be able to return to her hometown and even to go to the hospital where her father has been living. She knew that she couldn't do it on her own, so the power from the red shoes gave her the energy and courage to affront her fears and put her resent aside.

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  18. A terrific first episode! Yes, the introduction is definitely referring to Tim Burton's style. We can definitely feel a really tragic past in Moon Young's life. The father tried to kill her as he couldn't take the burden any longer. I also believe that the mother played a bigger part in MY's trauma. The fact that in the intro the mother called the little girl "a monster" reveals that the mother rejected her own daughter.

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  19. On 6/12/2020 at 9:29 PM, ms_inquiry said:


    I'm incredibly thankful and happy that we got a happy ending :) and I appreciated the comedy a lot


    I suspect though that the drama ran out of time to tell its story, I think starting from around ep 14 especially. There are some story beats and clues that I believe were given different and much shorter "conclusions" than what the writer had set up from the beginning. 


    Loved JY choosing to save young LG. Maybe that whole segment and LG finally managing to kill LL was shortened and/or re-written so they could manage time-wise. Pretty sure there was at some point a draft where JY dies saving young LG in front of adult LG. I'm very happy he's alive though haha.


    So in that way I did find some things a bit unsatisfying as well. Wish JTE's character, backstory and her line about bravery had been explored more. Also LG could have been explored more. Him losing the scar in the end thanks to his friends and allies was an amazing story beat. It would have had an even bigger impact if he had struggled with it a bit more - with the trauma and/or with just simply losing his immediate family. It was still great though and I did like that they did explore it.


    Being a liberal arts graduate when theorizing I have written some theories, most of which I have shared here. I have been right at times but also wrong quite often :lol:. I'm sure I'm wrong about plenty but if the drama had had more time I believe that for example:


    - LL was at some point going to either try to take over or simply terrorize KOC using fear and propaganda. This since he wanted LG to reveal that he was alive in ep 11. LL could have tried to spin his "return" to KOC as him being literally back from the dead. Later on I thought for a second that he would do an even better version of this by "returning" with the dead "Queen" as well. Basically trying to scare people in some way into submission or make them distrust their government and/or LG.


    - I suspect that the PM's alliance with LL was also going to be more elaborate. Quite a lot of time was spent establishing her ability to influence the public narrative and taking opponents down in the press. I also thought she would end up choosing to do the right thing for a while, but I like @bebebisous33 analysis about her character and why it would make sense of her to side with LL better. 


    - Luna probably had a more elaborate backstory as well. @bebebisous33 I remember you stating at some point quite early that you think the drama had changed her. Would love to hear more of what you think she was going to do in the latter part of the drama as well :) 


    - Maybe at some point there might have been a draft where KSJ, the most skilled at shooting, was going to save young LG and leave the ID-card. It could just have been a red herring though (his shooting skills). I did really like the part where he had his confrontation with LL and then him siding with LG. He was built up as a pretty tragic character and his love for JTE was such a major part of it. His arc was still very touching here though. His and JTE scenes and lines at the end of episode 15/16 were breathtaking and heartbreaking (the music in that scene as well!)


    I'm worried now after having written all this it will seem like I'm complaining or saying the drama wasn't good. I think it was actually amazing. I just like analyzing stories and I feel a little bit bad for those involved since I am pretty sure that things had to be shortened and re-written. So grateful about the happy ending and the best parts of this drama were honestly brilliant.


    Apologies for yet another really long post! :sweat_smile:

    Yes, I sense that Luna's part in this story was somehow changed. In fact, she didn't contribute much to the story in that she helped LG to find JTE. But once she went to ROK, she was able to live as JTE for a while. I liked the ending, but I feel that they rushed some aspects:

    - The Prime Minister and LR... it wasn't clearly explained, how he helped her. Because he did state that he supported her to become Queen aso.

    - SJ's role must have been changed... he was just a tragic figure, yet he didn't really help LG in the long run. I wished, his life in ROK would have had more meaning.

    But it was a very good drama.

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  20. 38 minutes ago, Heilo said:


    She dosen't strike me as someone whos much of a helper

    Well, she helps him because through her, Lee Gon is guided to the portal and meets JEong Tae Eul. She contributed to their meeting. That's why Lee Gon left the pass in the pocket. He used her because he knew the events from the past.

    While Luna represents the past, Jeong Tae Eul the present and Lee Rim the future (he is too obsessed with the idea of obtaining the flute), Lee Gon embodies all of them: the past, the present and the future. All this was shown in the reflection of the mirror.

    He saw his past self, he saw himself as the man wearing the jacket (present) and he saw the future (he would travel to the past in order to save himself) 

    That's why he is called the eternal monarch as he embodies Time.

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  21. The episode confirmed my observations from the earlier episodes:

    - Lee Rim has always been too focused on the future hence he neglected the past and his own flaws.

    - He looks down on children. He never thought that a child could stop him that's why the future Lee Rim never realized that his own self from the past would never believe him. 

    - Jeong Tae Eul symbolizes the present. Here, she gets new memories so that her present and future are affected. When she says that they should skip many parts, it underlines how much she values the present. 

    Lee Gon must have felt lonely trapped in a different time from his lover. So their time spent together in the next episode is very short.

    So Luna belongs to Lee Gon's past, she was his indirect helper. Somehow I was right that she would help him but totally wrong because she is still an enemy of Lee Gon and Jeong Tae Eul. She is so obsessed with her past and her own suffering.

    It is interesting to see that the ex-Prime Minister has become even more ambitious, she wants the flute for herself. I have the impression that she will contribute to Lee Rim's demise. 

    We still shouldn't forget that the drama started with February 2020... so I have the impression that Lee Gon will try to find a way to the past... Remember the end of the episode 10. He was Lee Gon from the future.

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  22. 7 hours ago, mrsj3n said:




    In my defence, I was torn between JY or SJ.



    JY broke my heart for being a wet blanket.


    So I went on a limp and voted for the combination of SJ and LG.







    @vangsweetie637 I think got to ask the expert.

    Paging @bebebisous33 Do you know how can we sticky a post?


    No, I have no idea. Sorry to be no help.

    I am really eager to watch the episode with subtitles.

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