bebebisous33
-
Posts
12,656 -
Joined
-
Last visited
-
Days Won
15
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Events
Posts posted by bebebisous33
-
-
Right from the start, I perceived Choi Bit as very ambitious and manipulative. The way she used the press in order to improve the police's image disturbed me a lot. She never cared for truth or justice. What motivates her the most is power and her gestures at her new desk proved it. She is using the fight between police and prosecution for her own career. This has nothing to do with helping the police officers on the field.The way she gained the support from that assemblyman is disgusting. What she fails to realize is that now, she helped the chairman, they are both dependent on each each. If he becomes a target of an investigation again, he can use his connection with her. One hand washes the other.
-
8
-
-
I have the impression that the nurse is more involved because she seems so sure that POR won't come back. In my opinion, she has already killed her in order to keep a secret. Remember that POR was an actress and in my opinion, she must have acted as MY's mother at some point. I have always said that MY's mother had a sister because we were never shown her face. From my point of view, MY didn't know that she had to deal with someone else. Let's not forget that MY dreamed of a body in the lake... so there is someone there.
What is sure is that the person monitoring MY saw KT's mother as a thread and got rid of her.
-
8
-
5
-
-
32 minutes ago, floweroad said:
I'm not sure I agree that ST wants MY as his wife/gf. From my interpretation he just really idolises her and is basically a big MY fan boy. His reaction to being called her best friend just seems purely from happiness, very similar to the child like happiness he showed when he got that huge dinosaur from head nurse. Imagine seeing the type of friendship between KT and Jaesoo and not having a best friend yourself.. and then having someone claim you as their bestie and on top of that, someone you admire and idolise. Some aspects of ST's development is very much still like a child and when it comes to romance with MY i dont think it extends to anything more than a little childlike crush. I wouldn't say he has any intentions on purposely making KT look bad in front of MY either. Pretty sure in that scene, ST wouldn't have even known MY was there watching. She came a bit later when he was already starting to breakdown. More importantly, I think ST opposes MY being with KT because he doesn't want KT to abandon him. That is what's going on in his mind as he says "dont abandon me" in ep 10. There's probably a part of him that wants a friendship with MY like KT has one with Jaesoo but i dont think thats why he is opposed to MY being with KT. The main thing driving ST's opposition (as seen through the aftermath of his meltdown and allowing MY to have the doll), is the idea that KT belongs to him, not that MY belongs to him. It's all about KT.
But just because he is an Autist, that doesn't mean that he has no sexual desire or doesn't want a wife. She was by his side in the picture. Furthermore, it is not like he has no idea that his brother had no girlfriend. He is well aware what a girlfriend means. Sure, he wants to keep KT for himself, yet I sense there is more to it because of the hair. This is very intimate and is connected to seduction. And his words were: MY is very beautiful.
-
9
-
1
-
2
-
-
3 hours ago, Misstinker said:
I read all of the comments so I just want to add my opinion I hope you guys don't get upset but I feel ST is jealous of his brother and MY relationship because he wants to be with her just think about it
When KT said the water pipes broke and My spend the night was he upset about him lying no he was upset MY was wearing KT clothes
Then he said what KT clothes was cheap humiliating him
Then when KT said not to move in with MY he beat him up infront of MY humiliating him
Remember the publisher came and he said he lives with MY but they not married he identified her and himself as a man in a women when KT showed up he said my little brother the coward humiliating him once again infront of MY
When he found out KT cut her hair he questioned him once again about why he cut her hair when MY asked why he liked her it wasn't her books it was because her hair thats a preference thats an attraction to someone or something now he found out they went away together he asking him questions again about her and embarrassed KT infront of MY and all his work family ST feel MY belongs to him he only wants to have a relationship with MY he doesn't want KT to have a relationship with MY
Just like KT was jealous of ST who got all his mothers love ST could be jealous KT was born without a disorder jealousy works both ways thats why he left him in the lake to die and beat him up talking about he owns himself
There is no doubt about it. Even the last scene in the episode 9 is quite telling. When ST yelled that his brother wanted to kill and abandoned him in the lake, he was actually talking about himself. ST wasn't honest here because he is the one who abandoned his brother and let him die there. Remember that MY asked him if there was one time when he wished his brother had died, it was at the lake. He felt betrayed by his brother's initial reaction (turning around and walking away) hence he wanted to do the same thing. If MY hadn't been there, KT would have died.
Right from the start, ST was interested in MY as a woman, he already got upset, when KT presented him a fake signature. The long hair is the sign of seduction and womanhood so ST was so happy to hear that they had become best friends. For him, it was a step closer to his dream. Having MY as his girlfriend/wife and his brother by his side that's the reason why he is so opposed to the idea that MY can have KT. For him, it would ruin his dream: a van where he is with MY and KT together and MY is by his side. Since he has learnt that his brother has always put him first, he wants to keep it this way.
By yelling that his brother was a murderer, he had the intention to ruin his reputation in front of MY and to make him feel guilty because he is well aware that his brother has never revealed his pain in front of him and suffered from guilt. ST is smart in his way.
-
9
-
2
-
4
-
-
@Lmangla I am not expecting any romance, rather the start of the real bromance between KDC and OJH.
@joccu The ex general prosecutor is just using LDC's case in order to pressure the highers-up/the involved parties so that he can get released much earlier. I am not buying it that he is doing it because he feels remorse. That's the reason why the involved parties sent PGW to kill the innocent man before the announcement of his death execution. LDC was supposed to be dead before and it is linked to the corruption scandal with the ex general prosecutor. Since he has some knowledge and evidence he can blackmail them to change his situation. He chose the one who defeated him because he knows that she won't back down. The lack of integrity and remorse is visible because KGT hired a murderer, a criminal who has a long past.
As for the sister, her behavior was also irresponsible. She blames her brother for her situation but fact is that she chose herself such a man as husband. I think, her addiction is related to the divorce but I have the impression, she is not reflecting on her own behavior and decision. Her husband is definitely shaddy and I am wondering if there isn't more than a problem with custody...
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
-
1 hour ago, joccu said:
@bebebisous33 Totally agree with the part about JinSu and the cop being killed by different people (most likely like you said that the cop was killed by the wife and the cop partner.)
Maybe they were caught by cheating or they just wanted to get rip of the man.
Why does Jang Mi want to prove that DS has taken brides? Is this also order by more powerful people?
Too many corrupt people that it´s hard to keep up.
Yes, she is making sure that KDC will lose his position for corruption so that he can't investigate any longer. I am quite sure that Moon is somehow related to this. They used the carrot and stick method in order to control KDC, well aware that he could change his mind. The carrot was the future promotion and the stick the intervention of the internal investigation.
There is no doubt that Yoon Sang Mi has become an accomplice of the conspiracy.
What the team fails to see is that they need to work together, note that they are trying to divide in order to rule. That's why Kwon was approached with a tempting bait. However, the moment all the detectives work together, it is much more difficult hence I hate KDC's superior to always convince them to give up on their conscience and drink in order to feel less guilty. He is as dangerous as the other people who dirtied their hands. Seeing it and doing nothing is as worse as the culprit. That's why the Holocaust could occur because people thought, they just needed to close their eyes and were not concerned anyway or they were supporters of the system.
@thistle @fluffyloaf By the way, Kang Gi Tae is not Park's murderer, KGT is the ex-prosecutor in jail.
-
2
-
1
-
3
-
1
-
-
7 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said:
At the risk of being proven wrong at some later stage...
I would venture to say that the most compelling thing about this show won't be the case. I don't think the case in question... the determination of LDC's guilt... is overly complex. While it clearly involves a lot of people from various walks of life and branches of government who all have their own reasons for soiling their hands, this show isn't primarily about "the truth" behind Yoon Ji-su's death. Even before this episode I had already suspected that OHJ's cousin, OJT was involved in some fashion. And he seems over-the-top violent. The whole watch issue... it's definitely a lead.
What's interesting thing too about OJT's violent outburst at his company humiliating his employee who apparently badmouthed him on social media isn't that he's been a first class rich bully but that he has the capacity to use violence against his employee and threatens to send the video clip to his daughter as an act of humiliation. It's not about who's right or wrong apparently but about shaming.
From everything that I've seen so far, this show is a psycho-thriller about people. That is to say... What drives them individually, but equally importantly, where they see themselves in relation to the group. Why is it that some do the "right"/"just" thing despite having no incentive to do so, despite the pressure put on them to look the other way, while others succumb to corruption and can rationalize their consciences to accept the injustice(s) that they have become a party to. This is what, I suppose, lifts the material. There is a fascinating, unspoken perhaps... ongoing tension between the individual and the collective. This is an especially pertinent question for a society like SK that's moving from a traditionally shame- honour model of operating to a more guilt-innocence way of thinking.
Surprisingly I am somewhat more interested in why these people got involved in what seems to be a frame-up job than the cops proving LDC's innocence. I am inclined to think that he is innocent of the artist's death at least. But what other role he may have played in all the shenanigans of 5 years earlier is less clear.
Just looking at Division 2, I feel their disappointment acutely. It must be utterly soul destroying to be stuck in a position where the reality falls so ridiculously short of the vision. Especially for the newbie who is unusually vocal for being the youngest and least experienced in the team. It's a demonstration in all likelihood that his conscience hasn't been desensitized to the point that he's lost his moral compass. But what is a good man to do when he's up against a powerful machine with more resources than he has at his disposal.
This is what corruption does. It inverts universal notions of right and wrong by the use of might. It's like what Shakespeare wrote in Macbeth, "Fair is foul and foul is fair". Those who have the resources enforce the compliance of their narrative on everyone with the use of might... forcing people to go against their consciences and their principles to exercise their control over circumstances. This has always been my problem with collectivism... we certainly have 20th century examples of communism in Stalin and Mao to remind us of the horrors on a much larger scale. There's no place for dissent. Those who do, die.
The thing that struck me hardest was how the present chief emotionally blackmailed KDC into pinning the whole thing on LDC. Both men were wrong. But in different ways. There was no pretence at objectivity... no pursuit of alternate lines of inquiry. On hindsight he didn't even attempt the most fundamental aspects of detective work.
This is perhaps KDC's... what shall we call it... redemption? Atonement?
I have to say this isn't just one case (LDC), but there are at least three cases, even 4 cases. They incriminated LDC for Jang Jin-Su's death and we have Oh Ji Hyuk investigating his father's murder. Besides, we have the woman's urn that the politician visited. It looks like there isn't just one murderer but many who used their position and connection in order to find the perfect scapegoat. Since the corrupt chief Nam recognized the watch, I came to the conclusion that he must have discovered the watch on the crime scene and somehow used this to make a deal with the culprit.
What caught my attention is the role played by Yoon Sang Mi. First, you had a rather good impression because she seemed to be someone fighting against corruption and KDC didn't seem to act like a good detective. However, the 4th episode revealed that she sided with the higher-up. First, she was tricked with the loss of the evidence, then she must have realized at some point that she had been played. But she decided to overlook that and chose to take advantage of her supposed "mistake" hence she could advance unlike her sunbae who remained a detective.
From my point of view, the ex prosecutor in jail Kim Gi Tae is using the reporter Jin Seo Kyung in order to pressure the ones who betrayed him in the first place. He is definitely not having a conscience so suddenly. Notice that he hired a killer as a driver/accomplice. He needed to act under the radar. So he knows perfectly that the chief Kim Shin Chul has been using Jin hence he approached her. What annoys me is JSK's naivety. Her article had been changed and she hasn't even doubted her boss yet. He seems to target LDC intentionally.
The present chief, Moon Sang Bum, is much more involved than just emotionally blackmailing KDC. He faked the evidence and made a false testimony. From my point of view, he was far more involved than it looks like. I mean, Jang Jin-Su could have reported Moon Sang Bum and the former told his partner Nam about it. On the other hand, Nam was cheating on his partner with his wife.. and they could have partnered up. The two of them had a motive for their colleague's murder and used the death of the artist in order to get rid of their "problem".
KDC did a really bad job back then and I am surprised that he could be convinced so quickly about LDC's guilt.
-
2
-
4
-
2
-
-
There is one thing I have to correct in the k-drama. The novel "The Beauty and the Beast" wasn't written during the Middle-Age. Middle Age ends at the end of the 15th Century and the fairy tale Jeanne Marie Le prince de Beaumont wrote was published in the 18th Century. Sure, the story existed before through oral tradition but the author lived in the Absolutist period.
And what people tend to forget is that the Beast was not just ugly, it has poor manners and behaved like "a wild animal". Belle was not just beautiful, she was famous for her modesty and her open-mindedness. So here, we have our ML turning into a Beast, a modernized version... as KT has been restraining himself for too long. For the first time, he expressed his true feelings.
-
13
-
1
-
3
-
-
The last episode was really interesting because it showed how truthful memories are. KT had forgotten what happened when it rained because his negative emotions left a bigger impression than the good ones. It was the same for the mother who lost her daughter. So what appeared as a reality in KT's mind was in fact not the reality. As a young boy, he missed things. Someone needed to remind him that he couldn't see the whole picture.
I have the feeling that it is the same for MY. Her mother left such a negative impression on her that she is like a ghost in her life. But just like KT, she might have forgotten good memories. She seems only to remember the bad ones, like her father strangling her or her mother threatening her. The mother could have decided to disappear and live at the OK hospital because she realized that she represented a danger to her own daughter.
-
12
-
1
-
3
-
-
11 hours ago, Dramafreak said:
@bebebisous33 so I have a question for you
what do you think ST feels for MY? It is definitely a crush but do you see more there?
also, is MY always treating ST as a pawn to get what she wants from GT? Is MY capable of loving someone?
others (i just didnt know who all to tag) please feel free to jump in to give your inputs while we wait for Saturday
I don't think that she is treating ST as a pawn because she protected him at her event. She recognized the injustice. In my opinion, she is very sensitive, when it comes to stigmatization. She has been labelled all her life which doesn't mean that she doesn't care. Quite the opposite... Her mother seems to have treated her like a doll (brushing her hair, describing her as her best creation), in other words like an object with no feeling at all. She did resent her situation but with no one acting like a role model how could she express her anger and her pain? She is neither a doll nor an empty can because she shows feelings.
So her intervention underlines a certain sense of justice. She knew how people would perceive ST's behavior and show disdain towards him. She has a good perception of the dynamic between the two brothers too. As for ST, I sense that he likes MY very much because he can understand her through the fairy tales. He is able to understand her sensitivity through her stories despite the dark colors and titles. The brother might not be able to understand certain things but he is much more intelligent than he looks like.
-
9
-
4
-
2
-
-
18 hours ago, Dramafreak said:
I keep wondering if she hasnt been back to the cursed castle in 20 years then when did her mom pass away and when was the father hospitalised. How was she brought up? She obviously did not stay in the small town for much longer than GT as her mom passed away when she was young?
@bebebisous33 i do not know who you were answering to but head nurse met MY when MY was interviewed and asked to give classes by the director. I dont think head nurse is the mum.
The thing about plastic surgery was intriguing.
Still catching up with the posts but at times i am enjoying the show so much that I just want to go where it wants to take me
I hope they continue creating the magic that keeps us entertained
I know that MY met the head nurse. I was replying to someone who was thinking that she might be MY's mother.
-
1
-
-
@madmad min @YongZura⁷ @vangsweetie637 I have the feeling that maybe MY's mother could have had a sister. We know nothing about her family. Striking is that the face of the mother has never been properly revealed. So we have two possibilities: MY could have been harassed by someone else... like f. ex. the twin sister. I know that it sounds crazy but her mother was never properly introduced.
-
9
-
3
-
-
12 minutes ago, madmad min said:
@bebebisous33 Your Insightful Posts are Love, but they are not visible Propely in Soompi Nightmode Theme.
I had to either change back or highlight the words with cursor to read it.
My Memory does not serve me right but did Head Nurse and MY ever Interact?,
1. MY's dad and MY have interacted twice now, excluding the flashback wherein he is strangling her. Once she passed by so DAD did not have enough time to strangle MY, second time he did. We do not know precisely if Head Nurse caused the trigger.
2. If Head Nurse is possibly MY' mom then MY due to trauma has forgotten her face --->>This is possible since she actually thought the Rich lady wearing fur was her Mother.
Interesting and Out of BOX Take, since this show has elements of mystery this theory sounds great.
I thought that I had changed the color but it seems that I had overlooked the older ones.
The nurse was present, when MY was strangled the second time. So the person who observed her from afar was someone else.
I agree with @YongZura⁷ that Yuri's mother can't be MY's mother because she remembers the face of Juri's mother.
-
5
-
3
-
-
1 hour ago, fluffyloaf said:
Thanks for your insightful reply @bebebisous33! Really enjoyed reading your take on things! Yes I do agree on what you say about Rapunzel's tale having a role to play in the plot and the theme of child abuse.
However I think the story of Rapunzel does not depict the parents' refusal to allow the child to grow up and their desire to keep her by their side. Correct me if I am wrong since I am not actually too familiar about literature pieces but the original story of Rapunzel seems to tell of parents who instead of trying to keep their child by their side, casually gives their child away to a witch out of their selfish and impulsive desires?
From how I see it, Rapunzel's tale might have been more relevant in the sense of MY and KT's relationship. Her entrapment in the cursed castle. KT and the prince as a symbolism of the freedom she sees outside of the confines of the castle/tower. And a possible obstacle symbolised by the witch that might act as an element to separate their love for each other. Treading on danger to be with each other.
In the context of her parents, perhaps we can see it in the sense that MY was trapped in the cursed castle due to the selfishness and her parents' love for each other more than their prioritisation of her as their child. Just as Rapunzel was easily traded off for some herbs desired by her mother, the welfare of MY was easily traded off whenever her parents had bigger priorities to protect. It is also said that Rapunzel's story on entrapment extends to her parents as well. Her father was trapped by his love towards her mother and fulfilling her mother's desires. Her mother was trapped by her own desires. Maybe there is an underlying correlation
Well, I have to say that when I wrote this, I was more thinking about the modernized version which I liked it very much. The woman was not her biological mother but this doesn't matter... she acted like the step-mother in the older fairy tales. Fact is that she wanted the girl to remain by her side so that she could stay young. And this is definitely connected to the fact that the moment the "children" leave the house, the parents realize that they have grown old. Besides, if you take this story on another level, you'll notice that the witch wanted Rapunzel to rely only on her. She never allowed the girl to leave the tower, to meet new people and discover the world. That's I interpret this story.... But like I mentioned it a few days ago, each person learns a different lesson from a fairy tale.
But this interpretation fits the story because in the episodes 5 and 6, one of the main topics was to let go of a child... here ST. KT acts like a mother.
-
5
-
1
-
1
-
-
@fluffyloafLLet us not forget that the episode 5 was called "Rapunzel" hence MY's life is connected to Rapunzel and BlueBeard.
Some said that the story about "Rapunzel" is about child abuse, yet there is another message in this story. The mother refuses her child to grow up and discover the world. By being captive in her castle, it was as if the child was forced to remain by the parents's side, their refusal that the child had at some point to leave them.
When it comes to BlueBeard, it can be perceived as domestic violence against the spouse, especially from our modern perspective. The wives were mistreated until they died. However, the morals written at the end of Bluebeard are totally different: wives are supposed to listen to their husband. Strict obedience is asked. Women in Perrault's fairy tales are often ridiculed and criticized: Griselidis, Bluebeard, Cinderella etc. The image of women is not very positive, except for the heroine which represents the exception.
Furthermore what people don't usually know is that the original fairy tale written by Charles Perrault is in reality an accurate description of the society and indirectly a satire. Impoverished aristocrats are ready for monstrous alliances/marriages with the rising bourgeoisie...The last wife married him because of his wealth and not title. Bluebeard was not a noble, but a bourgeois, while the protagonist belonged the declining nobility. Furthermore the author Perrault criticized the venality of offices. The wife's brothers could buy their office as captains thanks to the fortune of their brother-in-law, Bluebeard. As you can see, even there the heroine and her family are criticized through the fairy tale. We have to remember that Perrault wrote in a period where critic was not allowed and there was censure.
When MY is threatened by her mother, she would kill the prince who would come to rescue her, it could definitely be a reference to Rapunzel. She was saved by a prince who climbed the tower. Her mother was brutal in her words but she didn't want to be left alone in that big house. We shouldn't forget that MY's father built that house for his wife, MY's mother. I have the impression that he had an obsession for his wife and she ended up held captive in that cursed castle. His obsession is palpable through the building and the different portraits of her. I can imagine that due to his abnormal jealousy and obsession, the mother got so isolated that she ended up suffering from depression. I have the impression that she did attempt to commit suicide because she couldn't bear her situation. This could explain why the mother became so obsessed with her daughter. She represented the only comfort in her life hence she couldn't allow her daughter to run away with the prince. This would explain her violence as well because she was so desperate.
I have the feeling that at some point the mother must have resented her husband so much that she might have attempted to strangle him. Moreover, I suspect that the birth of his daughter changed the dynamic in the dysfunctional couple. The father might have resented his daughter because she diverted her attention from him hence he might have started abusing her and at some point she ended up in the cellar. He wanted his wife to focus only on him. So when she strangled him but failed, this might have caused the father to retaliate against his own daughter, blaming her for the estrangement with his wife and her violent and strange behavior.
This could be another explanation. From my point of view, both parents are to blame for MY's traumas.
-
2
-
5
-
7
-
-
@40somethingahjumma Yes, the problem is using this kind of word has become a normality. However, we shouldn't forget that words have power. Just like Hitler kept using more and more violent expressions to the point that the listeners had got used to it and were not surprised if the spoken words became a reality: it is called desensibilisation.
Fact is that no one can judge like that... due to the internet, it has become a normality to judge too quickly, f. ex. push the button "like". However, time is essential for a judgement and verdict. Nothing can be rushed, hence I abhor this kind of behavior. That's why I like this drama, the so-called normal people like JR or KT and KT's friend are not actually sensitive and good. KT told MY harsh things twice... especially with the money, while he is not free from issues... just like MY. KT keeps lying to his brother ("I'll never lie to you again", this is a promise that can never be fulfilled). KT knows that lies hurt his brother, yet he is constantly lying to him and to himself.
-
5
-
1
-
1
-
-
-
- Popular Post
- Popular Post
@vangsweetie637 You are right that ST might have feelings for MY and it could also explain why KT is determined to do anything so that ST doesn't meet MY.
From my point of view, KT is the one clinging onto ST and not the other way around. He has spent his whole childhood and even his entire life dedicated to his brother. Imagine the brother starts to live his life on his own. Then the brother's life has no meaning, he has lost his purpose. I sense that he resents his brother because he can't show his true feelings (his pain, his frustration and anger) but at the time, he is afraid of losing his brother. He would become an empty can ...
@40somethingahjumma I loved your posts, especially the one where you mentioned the responsibility of the parents. Diagnosis or not, the moment it is outspoken, it can change the perspective of the parents and actually contribute to worsen the conditions of the child. My problem with the diagnosis is that it stigmatizes the patient and takes away his identity. The doctors might speak for the best interest of their patients but the problem is how people around them react. And it shows that even the nurses at the hospital are not immune to categorize the patients. The colleague from Juri couldn't even imagine that the father wanted to kill the daughter. She diminished the intention behind his action due to the surgery. Only the psychiatrist could understand that no matter what there was no excuse for this behavior.
What annoyed me the most in this episode is KT's friend who kept insulting MY... she is a lunatic, crazy aso. Fact is that he wasn't present at the scene and has no idea what really happened.
And now, let's talk about the fairy tales. Like @40somethingahjumma mentioned, on the one side fairy tales reflect the society and its mentality, hence the image of the wolf in fairy tales has drastically changed.
In the older stories, wolves were scary creatures and associated to evil and danger. Now, it is different because wolf is species in danger. In the French story "Le plus féroce des loups" (Fierest wolf) written by Sylvie Poillevé, the wolf is actually the hero of this story, while the human beings are the bad ones. The hunter, the butcher and the ogre want to kill sweet and weak animals and the wolf protects them by eating the hunter, the butcher and the ogre. This story reminds us that we are no different from the wolf in reality as we are also eating animals. Furthermore, we shouldn't judge people based on their reputation. It contrasts so much to the elder stories like Red riding hood and the wolf. That's why MY used the idea of a zombie, a rather modern idea.
On the other side, a fairy tale helps the children to learn through these stories. It helps them to find and construct their identity and their own thoughts that's why it is important for children to have access to fairy tales. I believe that KT had never had the time to read these stories and learn lessons for himself. Here, Bettelheim wrote a book about fairy tales in term of Freudian psychoanalysis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Uses_of_Enchantment
The problem with this kind of story is each person can interpret it so differently. Let's take the example with the little Mermaid:
- one might perceive the power of love. She is willing to die because of her love for the prince and they consider it as something amazing
- MY said that she shouldn't have tried to steal the fiance
- However, we could also say that the prince could never love the mermaid because she was different. Let's not forget that she was mute. She might have been beautiful but she couldn't speak. Here, the prince doesn't appear as prince charming at all, rather superficial and shallow. He couldn't fall in love with her because she was impaired.
- The fact that she dies at the end and the prince doesn't notice it could be perceived as something negative too. All her sacrifices have been pointless. No one shouldn't sacrifice himself/herself because of love. People shouldn't give up their own identity. Let's not forget that she was a mermaid in the beginning.
And now, I would like to talk about the zombie kid:
- One might admire the mother because she is willing to die for her son. She must have loved her son very much.
- one might criticize the mother because she only made sure that her son would have enough to eat. So she prioritizes too much his physical well-being
- another might notice that the mother never talked to her son her whole life. The only communication she had with him was just before her death. Here, this could be seen as a warning: parents should talk to their children in order to know what children really need. The boy was longing for love. Communication is the key word.
- another could come to the conclusion that the mother already had a prejudice about her son and made sure that no one would meet him. She feared for her reputation: how could she have given birth to such a child? She wasn't even willing to leave the village, when it was necessary. Image was more important than life. (here an allusion to the politician's son). He represents the shame of the family. He needs to be kept hidden.
- Another could perceive the unrealism of the mother's sacrifice. No parent would be willing to sacrifice himself/herself for the child
- Another reader could come to the conclusion that her sacrifice is totally pointless because after her death, her son will die.
- One might see the mother's possessive and obsessive behavior. She wanted to keep her son by her side hence she never allowed him to live on his own and discover the world. Or she feared that the child might get hurt by the comments from others and wanted to protect him, however the love for her son led to his death because as soon as the mother dies, the son will die... Here you could see some parallels with ST and KT is the mother... he is forgetting to live his own life.
As you can see, KT can be the mother and the zombie kid in the end, just like MY is the zombie kid.
-
11
-
6
-
1
-
7
-
10 minutes ago, Misstinker said:
Thank you very much you are correct and did your research I'm very surprised the drama didnt they pick a disorder and give her some symptoms and called it a day also a person cant be diagnosed with ASPD as an adult it can only be diagnosed in a child if your an adult it cant be proven I'm just saying if they want to bring awareness they should atlease do it correctly so they dont confuse people I dont think people really know what ASPD is like that's a scary diagnosis serial kills are diagnosed with ASPD our girl just a little off
Thanks for the compliment! I am no psychologist, just a teacher and as such, I am very careful with any diagnosis/judgement.
I had one student who was suffering from Tourette Syndrome and it was only diagnosed, when I was his teacher. The thing is that due to his behavior, his teacher from his primary school got a very bad impression of him and even thought that he would never get a high school diploma. She was expecting he would get bad grads in my French class, when I met her by coincidence.
But even if his "illness" meant more work for me, I did everything in my power so that his classmates wouldn't condemn him therefore I took deliberately his side, showing that this was nothing extraordinary. He just had an handicap. So he did get his high school diploma and this parents rewarded me for my encouraging behavior.
That's why it is very important to be careful with any judgement or diagnosis (first he was categorized as child suffering from ADHD) and always show understanding. Understanding doesn't mean that the person won't get scolded for wrongdoings.
-
8
-
5
-
3
-
-
I still don't believe in this diagnosis ASPD. First, it was stated by the journalist who tried to blackmail her. How can we take his words seriously? Secondly, these are the characteristics for a person suffering from ASPD.
- socially irresponsible behavior
- disregarding or violating the rights of others
- inability to distinguish between right and wrong
- difficulty with showing remorse or empathy
- tendency to lie often
- manipulating and hurting others
- recurring problems with the law
- Hostility, significant irritability, agitation, aggression or violence
- general disregard towards safety and responsibility (quoted from) https://www.healthline.com/health/psychopath#signs /
- Failure to consider the negative consequences of behavior or learn from them
- Impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead
- quoted from: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/antisocial-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20353928
Just because she is stealing doesn't make her a sociopath. I would rather say that she is suffering from cleptomania. Then when she tried to stab the man, we shouldn't forget that she acted after witnessing how the little girl had been hurt and she had been called a lunatic due to her words. She was definitely affected by his words. Sure, her action was morally and legally wrong but even a normal person affected by a crime can retaliate. Why do we have people who ask for death penalty or kills someone out of revenge or hurt? These persons are never called sociopaths or psychopaths. They do it on affect. Then committing a crime like driving too fast... should we call all these persons who are driving carelessly also sociopaths?
Sure, you will answer that the addition of her wrongdoings is the problem. Yet, if you read all the features, you'll notice that many of them are not visible in MY.
She defended the right of ST and demonstrated that the person who committed a crime was the father. He assaulted ST first. Who lied later? The parents... She shows that she is able to feel empathy for others... and not just one person like ST but also for MT, the son of the politician and the patients from that psychiatry institution. She is willing to defend the weak ones. She knew what kind of problems they had hence she chose the right fairy tales for them.
She is listening to MT and realized her mistake, hence she decided to keep her word in the end. She went to pay a visit to her father like she had promised. She followed MT's advice and reproach. So she is learning her lessons too and she shows some regret.
She is not violent per se, she becomes aggressive, when she is threatened, like with the journalist or with the suicidal father.
Then she doesn't lie as she is very honest with MT and even with the son of the politician. She doesn't hide her disdain and contempt for others... she is brutally honest. She knows how to be responsible for ST and she did that on many occasions. She shows more empathy towards weak persons because she knows deep down that the so-called normal people can be the most dangerous ones. That's why there is this work written by Hanna Arendt "Banalität des Bösen" (German)/ "Banality of Evil" because the normal people were the ones responsible for the Holocaust and not the mentally unstable ones. Her book represents an plea to civil courage and empathy... to stop people from discriminating and hurting others due to their differences. And this is exactly what MY is doing.
Her methods might be too rough and unorthodox but her intention is clear. Besides, she wanted to suffer the consequences of her actions (she asked to be called for the "kidnapping") but MT chose otherwise.
My point is the following. She has definitely issues but she is not per se suffering from ASPD. Her cleptomania is a signal. She wants to get attention as she has always felt lonely. If she was suffering from ASPD, no doctor in his right mind would entrust her with mentally unstable patients. This would be dangerous and could be considered as a crime. She has been isolated all her life hence she needs to be reintegrated into society and to meddle with people that's why the doctor proposed her this offer. He knows that she has problems but we shouldn't forget that she did sign the papers for her father in the end. She didn't even stop her father while he was strangling her, she didn't even retaliate which shows how his first murder attempt has left a deep scar in her heart.
She is an asocial person as she didn't really grow up in society, was secluded due to her familial situation and later due to her career and stigmatization as sociopath/psychopath. In my opinion, there is a reason why she was hesitating to save the boy (the flower), she had never received any help before and she didn't know the true value of a human being. Her own mother described her as an object, the perfect creation.
-
5
-
9
-
1
-
8 hours ago, Nymeria289 said:
That part I couldn't understand. I think it was protocol that a relative goes with the patient but then she didn't. So, how does this work??
She is not her friend. The director wanted to gauge her reaction to understand the situation better, I believe he understands and senses more than he lets on.
My problem with her is that she seems fake. Yes, she is soft spoken, docile but I don't know if its the actor or the script, she seems duplicitous. As if she is hiding away her true feelings and walking around egg shells careful not to reveal what she truly is like. I mean Juri's mom, I don't feel this with her, I only feel it around Juri. I can't quite pinpoint it but she makes me uncomfortable and that is saying a lot given there is an anti-social, ready to commit murder, volatile anti-social person around.
The thing is that the mother never followed the patient. So why ask in the first place? Furthermore why the need of the relative if the responsibility already lies in the hospital hands? She acts as if she wanted to help the family but in reality she was not, she definitely shows no empathy for any patient.
Yes, I feel like Yuri is fake and even a little vicious. I know that the doctor was testing her but her words revealed more about herself. She even realized her pettiness after. But there is more pettiness, also jealousy and hypocrisy.
-
11
-
1
-
-
1 hour ago, Nymeria289 said:
Moon Young's mother is alive and in the hospital....she was the one watching her from afar. Also, that is why Ju Ri was surprised that Moon Young registered her dead.
Also, are the hospital stuff properly trained. How come nobody took care of Moon Young after she got choked to death and laughed like a maniac. That part really irked me. I think only hospital director understands patients well, others seem way to quick to judge.
I felt exactly the same way. They neglected her, while she had been the one who got assaulted.
The way she laughed was really heartbreaking. She was dying inside... her smile was so fake. How come that they remained immobile next to her and did nothing?
What irked me the most in this episode is Juri. The woman acts like a princess but each action she does hurts people:
- she took the mother to the son while explaining that she needed a relative. Actually, she didn't need to. She should have expected the mother's reaction. But no, for her what matters the most is the family or better said the appearances.
- the fact that she didn't GMY and let MKT get slapped. She did nothing to help him...
- she claims to be GMY's friend, yet she asks for her dismissal.
Honestly, I am quite sure that if she started dating and even married MKT, she would ask at some point that MST is sent elsewhere or needs to live without his brother aso. I sense that her gentleness towards MST is rather fake, just like she is nice to MKT's friend in order to remain close to MKT.
-
4
-
5
-
-
2 hours ago, Nodame said:
@RanP As someone yet to watch the episodes I loved your thoughts. Cutting all the societal BS and etiquettes and norms and being honest and direct , wow!Seems KT leery of MG for good reason! She causes him to feel and be honest with her and he cannot ignore here or fob off her attention with inane platitudes. I too not knowledgeable about psychology but very interesting.
The legendary @bebebisous33 I always get giddy when I see you in a forum! Mad respect for your posts and thoughts! Excited and grateful to read your insightful posts! Thank you & more excited to watch the episodes later today after my lunch plans.
Thanks a lot for the compliment!
Where did you get these cute emojis?
Right now, I am only watching this k-drama because I have less time. Imagine that I am writing so many analyses about a manhwa which also caught the attention of the author! However, I have to say that this k-drama is terrific because it uses fairy tales but at the same time, it feels so realistic. It makes you question about the definition of normality.
Who hasn't got a flaw like MY said? Some might suffer from mental illness, others are handicapped physically or mentally or others have issues like dyscalculia or dyslexia or auditory perceptual disorder or some are suffering from asthma, diabetes etc... This is the reason why "normality" can become somehow dangerous. People who don't fit in these criteria are excluded which can lead to another catastrophe.
I doubt that MY is suffering from antisocial personality disorder as she can feel empathy, she knows what is right and wrong. She knows what regret and remorse are. She did fight for others. All these characteristics are showing that this is not her illness. Sure, she has issues but the way she deals with them is telling so much about her: she is very strong because she returned to that the cursed castle despite the bad memories.
-
12
-
3
-
1
-
1
-
-
And now I am wondering about the butterfly scene again. I had another idea.
We know that MST has nightmares because of the butterflies and each year they have to move. MKT said that because of his brother, he can't develop any friendship and can't have any relationship. What if MST saw the interaction between MY and MKT and understood the meaning?
Maybe MS felt that MKT would distance himself from him if he loves someone else... Since he had been used to be MKT's center of attention, he sensed that the appearance of a woman in their life would endanger his position so unconsciously he made sure that his brother would never get close to any woman. I am not saying that MST does it on purpose but he is driven by his unconscious. And this would explain why MST adores MY so much as a writer because if he likes her, then MKT is not allowed to love her. He knows that MKT would prioritize him.
This theory came to my mind because of the van. MST's decision to buy a van reflects his awareness of MKT's longing: getting settle down and having a home. However, by buying a camping car, the autistic man ensures that MKT will never get close to any woman and have his own family. Let me know what you think about it.
-
1
-
2
-
2
-
5
-
I would venture to say that the most compelling thing about this show won't be the case. I don't think the case in question... the determination of LDC's guilt... is overly complex. While it clearly involves a lot of people from various walks of life and branches of government who all have their own reasons for soiling their hands, this show isn't primarily about "the truth" behind Yoon Ji-su's death. Even before this episode I had already suspected that OHJ's cousin, OJT was involved in some fashion. And he seems over-the-top violent. The whole watch issue... it's definitely a lead.
I had to either change back or highlight the words with cursor to read it.
Where did you get these cute emojis?
[Drama 2020] Forest of Secrets Season 2, 비밀의 숲 2
in k-dramas & movies
Posted
Yes, we know for sure that the chairman's brother is linked to the prosecution office as SDJ used to work for the father. So since he visited the chairman, they must think, he was the one leaking the info about LYB's condition which is not entirely false. However, I suspect that his disappearance and even murder will have terrible consequences for Choi Bit and Woo in the long run. Because this will reveal the dirty corruption on both sides. Remember that during their investigation about Song's suicide, they noticed that the prosecution didn't press charges against the captain and even the sentences were not equal. This case is actually explosive for both sides. Since SDJ is missing, they will have to investigate Song's case and the connection with LYB.