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  1. On 1/3/2019 at 8:34 PM, gibas231 said:

    please no!! DL is mine only :love:  but truly, solo fan like me,  do not like shipping real life otp couple.

    In the drama or movie, yes okay to ship the characters for the storyline but in real life, no... there are just too many reasons to list, but the fact is currently this couple China OTP fans are super obsessed and causing lots of fighting between DL and YZ solo fans. Most of DL antis are YZ fans and vice versa.  

    DL and YZ in real life are actually not too good of friends, the drama was filmed two years ago and they rarely kept in contact. Both have moved on to other dramas since AOL (DL and YZ filmed like 3-4 other dramas). 

     

     

     

    How do you know they are not close? They’ve been friends for more than 8yrs, DL even mentioned in an interview that they give each other gifts for their respective birthdays. He even mentioned that their dads are close. They have a very good friendship, ofc in every fandom there are bad apples but it would help if fans don’t act soo posesssive over their favs & act like they know what’s right for them or who is right for them!!!

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  2. 5 hours ago, AnN277 said:

    Huhu

    its been a long time comrades

    the weibo awards was icantevenstopcryingandlaughingattatThesametime:bawling:

     

    if u havent notice or didnt informed...they will be  a spring festival so call concert..both of our OTP will be singing respectively group by group..unfortunately they will not be in the same team or group...DL will be performing first ( most prob because he wants to go back home after that)...YZ will be performing at sequence 30++..but STILL there is STILL chance of meeting right???! If its not on cam atleast off cam..we shall see

     

    the festival date i cant remember when..shall come back after find it in weibo thread. :wub:

    Feb 5th I believe 

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  3. I like JG but I am not convinced he can carry a drama as a lead just yet. I feel like he doesn’t have the charisma to play a lead role :( Also, for such a big budget drama can’t they get a top leading man for HJW???  The last drama she was paired w/ an idol turned actor. And MBC will pick this up? Lol Was hoping she would do a high quality cable drama or an indie movie. Her last two dramas have not been successful, I’m worried :( 

     

    I really wanted to see her w/PHJ, since he was great in MTM!


  4. 1 hour ago, lan_lan said:

    @joowonie Have you watched all the compilation videos of them during BTS?  They're totally shipable!  When I watch this drama now I can always feel in "playing around/cute scenes" that it's actually them having fun and not them playing the characters.  Shancai was asked how much was ad-libbed between them and she said not so much with dialogues but definitely in actions, especially when they're pushing each other around lol.  You can totally see a lot of that in episode 16.

    I have watched all of them! Haha that’s why it’s a bit shocking to me to hear some fans claiming that she’s dating Conor. He’s super adorable & it’s her business of course but DW and her are just soo cute with the teasing & bickering! Opposites attract! 

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  5. On 7/21/2018 at 5:51 AM, lan_lan said:

     

    Lol what a coincidence!

     

    I found this video on YouTube that compared the forced kiss scene between the two versions 2001 vs 2018. It does look so dated and I’m not feeling the male lead’s acting so I’ve been turned off of trying it. Dylan has ruined it for me lol.  

     

     

    Same! I watched the whole thing and didn’t feel that the acting was all that great, infact it was just serviceable at best . I liked the Japanese version a lot better as far as acting but there were also a lot of cringe moments as well. I love the current version bc itseems a bit more realistic in terms of the romantic development between the leads. There are a lot of hints that SC likes DMS, like how she can feel herself around him and how she says things like “it’s ok if no one else believes me as long as you believe me”. When pl say they do not see that SC likes him back in the current version, it is very perplexing to me. 

     

    In ep 14 when they were both calling each other stupid was both hilarious and super cute! 

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  6. 13 hours ago, lan_lan said:

     

    Chef guy and his lobster haha.  The actor's kind of a cutie though.  I took it more as a reason for Shancai to get into the kitchen experience in order to lead into the competition storyline. 

     

    Rather than the cheek kiss I was more into the moment before when she was holding his phone and didn't realize he was basically hugging her from behind and he was just enjoying the heck out of it getting all close lol.  And why would you call a girl because you miss her but then pretends to be her dad??  Must have some screws loose under all that hair.  Speaking of, we will find out tomorrow why they gave him that signature "pineapple" hair and it's so funny and cute.

     

    I agree with @Wotad I like the slow burn development which will then make the confession moment later on much more impactful.  

    Rather than the cheek kiss I was more into the moment before when she was holding his phone and didn't realizehe was basically hugging her from behind and he was just enjoying the heck out of it getting all close lol.“ I loveeed this scene, it’s so cute and the way he looked at her makes me believe that she’s the only one he loves. I rather have the slow development if it’s more organic that way. 

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  7. 17 hours ago, Helene Tian said:

    I'm kinda disappointed about this drama... At first when i saw the previews i was super excited since i love the story and watched all the versions and not even longtime ago i was watching the korean version again! I think they changed way too much in the story, Shang Cai didn't even get really hurt at the beginning to the point she wanted to leave the school so badly (not like in the other versions), also we don't even know how Dao Ming Si fell in love with her (felt like it came out of no where), also can't see the huge social status difference between F4 and others (btw Shang Cai doesn't seem as poor as in the other versions). Also, i don't like her mummy LOL her voice is so annoying and btw why did they add a Qing He (Shang Cai's bestfriend)... ok so well i'm still watching it but it's just meh

    I like that it’s diff bc it would be so boring to see the same extreme bullying scenes over and over again. The drama needs to adapt to the current environment of its time and so I do not believe portraying extreme bullying would be very realistic. Also, i always felt that in every version, DMS begins his interest in her when she stands up to him by kicking him in the face, this is really no different than all other versions. He’s taken aback by her “fierceness” bc it reminds him of his cool sister, someone he admires. Im glad it is not a cookie cutter version and even more happy that SC’s parents are not shady like in all those other versions and F4 do not rely solely on their family’s wealth. I loved ep 12 bc it highlights how close the boys are! 

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  8. 19 hours ago, kokodus said:

    I'm warning you guys, this is going to be one major fangirling post....

     

    LOL, i'm sooo in love with Dylan Wang. I think they have a chosen a perfect boy to play Dao Ming Si. He makes me both hate and love him. Like that is even possible. I don't know maybe it's character itself but he is owning it. He is oozing with charisma...I just love the way he looks at her...like she is the only girl in this world. LOL. I like his pineapple head but I so love his after shower hair as well. I can confidently say that I won't have any second lead syndrome here. I was honestly feeling very sad for him during that scene in the beach when he saw them kiss. You know, Shan Cai didn't even say that she likes him or anything so it's kinda unfair for him to be mad at her, but I can't help but feel his pain. Sighhhh. Dylan Wang, where have you been all these days??? And to think that he is only 19.... I'm crying. Lolol.

     

    @enigmatic_zephy I think she started having a soft spot for him since he waited for her in the rain for 3 hours. Also of course the elevator scene that followed helped her to see him in a different light. I think she just got a little confused when Lei came back. You are right though, I think we can't pinpoint an exact moment when she started having feelings for Ah si. That is the beauty of this whole story though, she falls for him slowly with every moment she spends with him and gets to know him better, she just is kinda stupid to not realize it soon enough and ends up hurting both him and herself. Sigh. 

    I totally get what you mean that you love/hate DMS all at once. DW is the perfect DMS imo! I can really feel how much he cares about her but at the same time,  wanting to possessed her, which isn’t right and it’s something we hopefully get to see him work on in this version of HYD.

    He’s so handsome! I saw an interview where he was asked how he felt about SY and he says that he sees her like a brother but the next sentence he also  says that maybe he doesn’t have much experience with girls and therefore treats them like his buddies! haha I think he is very smart and gives very interesting interviews. He doesn’t come off as someone whose fake so if I see news of him being either a pervert(like a certain co-star of SY) or fake I will be so sad lol

     

    I originally watched MG for SY and to all the haters who says she isn’t pretty/skinny enough, SY is super pretty and has a ton of charisma, which is quite rare these days with the current generation of C-actresses. 

     

     

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  9. I’ve seen a few versions of this and to be honest they are all quite bad but some more than others. I mean the plot is over the top regardless of the version, so let’s get that out of the way. There have a few complaints on this thread regarding the leads having no more than a few expressions but the current cast are mainly rookies and they are doing their best.

    The original MG cast barely had any expressions as well, and the BZ definitely overacts with her constant screaming. Jerry as DMS was very excessive and it was not believable at all how SC could be with him after all the bullying and assault (in one scene he slapped the s!?&&@ out of her). I’m thankful that the bullying wasn’t so excessive and DMS hasn’t smack her so far lol

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  10. I’m wondering who would be suitable for this genre other than JWS, whom already did Athena. Thinking about recent actors who’ve done spy like dramas/movies, I could only think of Park He Jin, Ji Chang Wook, Joowon, Ha Jung woo, and Kang dong won. However, out of these actors, two are in the army and the other 3, one isn’t a big enough name to carry this big budget drama and the remaining two are less likely to do a drama.

    Who is left that could pull off this role? I really liked PHJ in Man to Man and I do not believe he has a conflicting schedule to film Prometheus.

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  11. On 4/30/2018 at 10:50 PM, hushhh said:

     

     

    Is that what he's saving for.  Silly me, I thought he was trying to pay off his debts or give his wife a lump sum to impress her.:confused:

     

     

     

    Beyonce is is very talented but I never understood why she chose to stay with Jay other than protecting their brand bc expecting a serial cheater to change is like saying a zebra can change its stripes lol If a person has any ounce of self respect, they will not stay in a relationship with a spouse who repeatedly cheats on them. It’s bc even if you can forgive a person, you can never forget, it’s always going to be in the back of your mind. Therefore, given the writers realistic approach, he will not be advocating for this type of emotional abuse!

     

    What I meant by communicating like a mature adult is this, if she was so unhappy, she could’ve demanded either they work things through or she divorces him. This she can do all on her own bc she’s smart and financially independent. But of course, we all know what she chose to do, let the “loneliness” turn into resentment and selfishly betrayed her husband. I think she’s emotionally under developed and this is evident through her cheating and wanting to get even with JY when he ended things with her. I find her very pitiful as a character and DH to be dead inside.

    I think what the writers capture very well is that, people need to be surrounded by the right people in order to become our very best, like DH and JA. Whatever the outcome, all relationships will hopefully change for the better at the end of the drama since it’s a “healing drama”! 

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  12. 13 hours ago, hushhh said:
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    Yes, DH has community and YH does't seem to, and this well make their ability to heal vary. 

     

    Weird, sometimes those community-less people are attracted to community-filled people as a way of getting community for themselves, only to discover how exhausting having community is, especially when you are in the tent pole.  I have often noticed that several great leaders are poor husbands and fathers, unless the family is actively committed to the cause the great leader is championing to the point they don't realize that their personal needs aren't being met.  Of course there are exceptions.

     

    I must add that while I understand how the affair could happen even if YH still loves DH I find it difficult to understand how she could have allowed herself to be complict in DY's workplace moves against DH.  Strangely enough that is the betrayal I have the most issues with.

     

    It is quite possible that YH convinced herself that DH was so unhappy at work pushing him to create a work environment that he could build around his own values would be good for him-- I still think it is crappy behavior. As bad as love built from wiretapping.

     

    Strangely Even though DH is always in the company of people he strikes me as a deep introvert [or long-term depressive]. Deep introverts only willingly allow with one or two people to know them well.  The only way to know them deeply is to be supernaturally intuitive or illegally wiretap them and violate their privacy.

     

    The only person that DH seems to willingly share his true self with fully is the monk.  That must be lonely making for his wife.

     

    I don't see the world of the drama, or the world in general, as you do.  Thankfully neither one of us has a ability to change how to drama unfold.  Continue to enjoy the world you see there and I'll do the same.

     

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    If Beyonce and Jay-Z marriage's can recover from an affair, any marriage can.

    No wait. It was Jay-Z who strayed so it doesn't apply.

    The world expect and push women to forgiveness.

    The world expect and push men towards vengeance.

    There seems to be a believe in monotheism that women are inherently evil and promiscuous and should be stoned.

     

    Actually, using Beyonce and jay as an example isn’t the best choice bc they are a“brand”, one can argue that it would hurt their collective networth if they are no longer seen as a “power couple”. His wife isn’t amartyr like some of us make her out to be. Yes, Dh was partially to blame for her loneliness but that is not an excuse to cheat nor should it be forgiven bc she plotted with the person he hated the most to destroy him.

    There’s nothing loving and mature about having an affair for more than a year when you could have done the right thing for your family, divorce before commuting adultery. If you’re not happy talk like normal adults instead of harboring hatred to the point of destroying your family by cheating & plotting with your ex. I’m not saying a couple cannot recover from adultery but it does depend on the duration and other factors like “not plotting with the person your husband considers to be the scum of the earth” to get him fired!

     

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  13. 55 minutes ago, MsMinnieFran said:

    YH's betrayal was made worse by how long it lasted, who she did it with, and things she was plotting with JY during that time. I am sure it wouldn't have hurt as much if it was some random dude out on the street. JY was his boss at work, his junior in school, who he hated. Do the math. Ultimately, she made a huuuge mistake, she is sorry for it now, good for her. But i don't need to feel sorry for her do i? I wish her well, i hope she finds happiness in the future. I just don't think she can find it with DH. Why should they continue to make each other miserable?

    Exactly, why stay in a miserable relationship where both parties feel suffocated. Also, I think she’s only sorry she got caught, had it not been for JA tipping DH about the public phone, she would’ve went through with her plot with JY to have DH fired, and she would’ve divorced DH like she was planning on doing. 

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  14. 3 hours ago, hushhh said:

    I came across these comments in Dramabean recap of My Mister  episode 11 [http://www.dramabeans.com/2018/04/my-ajusshi-episode-12/] and wanted to repost them there because they a lot of my though on YH.

     

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    pineapplegongzhu

    April 27, 2018 at 8:09 PM

    Thanks for the recap, @Lollypip
     
    Well, this show certainly doesn’t pull any punches.
     
    My heart got hit with a mega-ton punch of TRUTH. Repeatedly.
     
    I missed Dong Hoon having drinks and chatting with Ji An, so I’m glad that episode ended with them together.
     
    But, DANG, if Dong Hoon and Yoon Hee’s discussion about the infidelity wasn’t soul-deep raw and honest!! I was reeling because it was so powerful and painful…like surgery without any anaesthetic!!
     
    Did you think it’d be easier to divorce me if you had an affair with him, had me fired, and turned me into a homeless person?
     
    DH, in his methodical way, echoes our collective indictments against YH: not only cheating on him, but with the very man he despised, in complete disregard to the consequences of her actions on her family, even her son.
     
    I LOVED how they divulged how each chose to love the other. DH entirely misunderstood what his wife needed. This is so realistic to what couples who genuinely love each other go through when trouble brews in the marriage. DH provided for YH’s physical needs so impeccably, but he completely missed what she really wanted:
     
    "Is it love if I’m in second place? Am I even in second place?"
     
    “You were always my number one.” My heart actually went out to YH this time. No matter how MASSIVELY she messed up, she’s extremely lucid describing the emotional neglect and isolation she felt in the marriage. She understands her husband emotionally better than he does her.
     
    She knows his family is the most important thing to him, so to please him she made every effort to love his family-of-origin well. But, she was hoping he would love her with the same kind of devotion he gives to his family-of-origin, but it never materialized.
     
    She even names the fear that motivates him: he wants to avoid disappointing his mother and hurting his son. If so, he is motivated by “family” to stay in the marriage, but sadly, YH isn’t included on that “list”. If that is true, then her indictment of him is equally true: she was never part of his “family”, which is why she never FELT like a priority to him. She honestly thought she didn’t mattered to him. She thought he didn’t love her. She recognized he would never change, and in her despair, she turned to whoever would give her the affection she craved. That’s really sad.
     
    It’s interesting how quickly YH and JY turn on each other…and ironically enough, because of Dong Hoon. Their conversations are always about Dong Hoon! The person they both betrayed is the same one who drives them apart. #poeticjustice
     
    Oh snap! YH now fighting full force for her husband: she’s pretty useless compared to Ji An, but I like that she’s in her husband’s corner.
     
    The one vital piece of information we lack is why Dong Hoon fell in love with Yoon Hee in the first place.
     
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    persianrose

    April 27, 2018 at 11:39 PM

    After this episode I totally understand why YH had affair with JY, not because she loved him (JY more than anyone knows that YH never loved him), but because he was the very person she could talked/complained about DH (her love)... Regarding DH love for YH, I feel he loves her in a very different way than he loves his original families, friends or colleagues (including JA)... he used to see YH as amazing great woman that he admires but that admiration made him not to show his love comfortably... he never realized how much YH is thirsty/needy for his attention and love... I hope JA becomes their catalyst to save their marriage...

     

    I get why YH had an affair.  I don't condone it, but I understand it.

     

    There are a lot of qualities that folks in the forum have been condemning YH for that I just don't see evidence of.  Some of this might be due to relying on translation instead of experiencing the series in a language I understand directly.

    1- YH is ambitious. Where is the evidence?  I don't ever hear her talking about work. I don't ever hear her plotting to rise through the ranks of  her workplace.  Even when speaking of marrying JY there wasn't any talk of increased social power.

    2- YH wanted to be married to someone more powerful.  She is unhappy with DH lack of career success. The only time she refers to DH's position at work  is in reference to him starting his own business.  The reason I understood her to be doing so, wasn't about DH rank but to get him out of the company so that he and JY would not be working in the same company if there was a divorce.

    3- YH is selfish and wanted DH for herself and away from his family. There is evidence of this but I wouldn't characterize the behavior as selfish.

     

    - I grew up in the west and my understanding of how families are created is that once you get married your energy and focus shifts from your family of origin/family you are from [mother, father, sibling] to your family of procreation/family you make [spouse and children]. Of course your do not disown your family of origin, but your primary focus [except in times of crisis -illness/death, etc] in on the family you create.

    -therefore in that worldview, YH desire to be number one in DongHoon's life makes a lot of sense.

    - to me, in someways DongHoon's orientation to the family of origins was made worse because while the family had strong ties, their constant "crises" took all of DongHoon's focus and resources.  DongHoon's sense of responsibility to his family took him away from his wife.

    -DongHoon's mother saw their marriage as a competition for status, even if DH and YH did not.  Mother's concern that YH might outshine DH meant she was always kept at arms length and never was able to fit into the family.

     

     

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    It's ironic that the forum has folks stopping just short of calling for YH to be burnt at the stake for having an affair and people who can barely hold it together as they call of a physicalizing of the romance they see between DH and JA. 

     

    Of course the drama is designed to do that, as it allows us to see DH as descent person suffering through a life that is not going well and introduced us to YH in the middle of her affair.  

    I think @desertflower characterized YH pretty well in her marriage, please read this. Also, there’s no way YH married DH not knowing how important his friends and family were to him, therefore to use (not being his first priority) as a reason  for her to have an affair is quite weak in my book. I recalled YH saying that she did indeed loved JY, you mentioned not seeing how she could be power hungry but this could be seen easily through liking someone like JY-who is a shameless, status hungry richard simmons canoe!!

     

    I am a firm believer in “you are who you like” someone as smart as her isn’t a innocent victim to JY’s charms, she knew what she was doing, leaving her manager husband for a potential CEO. It’s not realistic to DH to start over with his cheating wife bc she didn’t just cheat on him with just anyone, she did it with a weasel-scum like person he hated the most lol even if he could forgive her, he could never forget even if he could understand why she did it.

     

    desertflowersaid: 

    She described how she “tried” to do nice things for his mother and brothers while recalling a time after giving birth and cooking for his mom and expecting a payoff of more attention from DH. She thought illogically.  First, you do things for family because you love and care for them not anticipating something in return.  Second, you spend time with your new in-laws and become close.  Third, because you are there with your new in-laws you will be rewarded by being with your hubby a lot too.  You can’t change the man you marry....you need to be in love with that man you married, you need to know who that man really is that you married.  YH trying to change DH was always going to fail.

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  15. 12 hours ago, desertflower said:

    She described how she “tried” to do nice things for his mother and brothers while recalling a time after giving birth and cooking for his mom and expecting a payoff of more attention from DH. She thought illogically.  First, you do things for family because you love and care for them not anticipating something in return.  Second, you spend time with your new in-laws and become close.  Third, because you are there with your new in-laws you will be rewarded by being with your hubby a lot too.  You can’t change the man you marry....you need to be in love with that man you married, you need to know who that man really is that you married.  YH trying to change DH was always going to fail.

    I loveee your insights, she seemed to always do things to satisfy her own personal needs, this point about her is such a contrast to DH’s mentality-doing things for people he loves, regardless if they return the favor or not. It makes me wonder why they got married bc it did not seem like it was true love :’( it also did not seem like they had a solid foundation either. 

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  16. 1 hour ago, noor1 said:

    Once DH learns of the wiretap, he will use it to tell Ji-An (because he knows she's listening) that he likes her too and she should come back (to him, if not the office). (he'll justify it as listening to his heart freely and living in the moment).

    It would be a great twist, using the same device that was once considered “toxic or detrimental to their relationship” as a bridge for them to be together. I think he would forgive her bc she was in a desperate situation, whereas, in YH’s case she was doing what she did out of pure selfishness & even though he could forgive her, he could never forget, therefore, I do not see reconciliation on the table for them.

     

    JY once said that if DH liked someone, he would not deny it, I wonder if it alludes to anything...

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  17. 2 hours ago, hushhh said:

    I believe the truth of YH's version of her marriage to DH.

    If DH told his version, I would believe it too.

     

    I sympathize with them both because at one point they loved each other deeply; I don't think they would have married if  they had not.

     

     

    The word claim seems a little accusatory as if I'm transgressing by stating something without evidence to back it up.  I find that surprising since I am only speaking of my impression and not mandating that anyone see or believe as I do. If my reading of the term is the result of a dialect/connotation disconnect,  then . . .

     

    Unfortunately, I can't really help you with your puzzlement; clearly our experiences and frames of reference differ. 

    I sometimes have a sense of connection, respect, affection,  and deep caring without sexual interest towards people.  I tend to call those people friends or family of the heart.  When those feeling are combined with sexual desire I call those people lovers, boyfriends, life partners. 

     

    Love/attraction comes as it comes.  There are people whose relationship proceed as you outline.  There are people who are first sexually attracted to someone and then learn to love them.  There are still others who are sexually attracted to someone, never learns to love them [or even like them] but stay for the sex. People are as they are, live as they do.  There isn't one path that suits everyone.  Or if there is, I've never come across it. 

    I did not mean to sound accusatory towards you, I probably should’ve used another word besides “claim”. I was just taken a back that you couldn’t see a romantic connection bc you didn’t see “sexual attraction”. They have so much more than just the superficial physical attraction toward one another. I love that the writers can convey such a relationship to the audiences bc I believe a relationship that has respect, trust, friendship, and admiration will stand the test of time, you can easily find someone better looking or with more sexuallualy desirable but it’s not everyday that you can find a deep connection with another person. Hope that helps :)

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  18. 6 minutes ago, desertflower said:

    It seems as though two mismatched people got married (DH and YH) without considering what LIFESTYLE they both desired and how to commingle to become one happy family from 20 from ago.

    I completely agree, it seemed like they wanted two different things, DH wanted someone who would understand him and YH wanted him to put her first ;/ 

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    3 hours ago, chickfactor said:

    DH's smile at JA when she told him, "You're a very good person." That said everything. And then they flashback to him telling Yoon-Hee that she made him feel worthless. The director might as well be drawing a cupid's arrow hitting his heart. (Am I the only one who sees this?

    You’re not the only one, DH still hanging out with JA dispute knowing how she feels about him can be taken as him slowly reciprocating, why? Bc we see him trying to rationalize her feelings for him however, he never once said that he didn’t like her, only rationalizing why they are drawn to each other.

    Also, I find him to be at peace the most when he’s around her, the last scene in ep 12 was very telling bc he doesn’t have to hide his affection for her anymore. I think DH will learn about her wiretapping and she will not be around to see him feel hurt and betrayed, however, I believe DH will come to understand that JA did it for survival’s sake.

    I think the show will make it very obvious their longing to see each other and after sometime, after they meet again, it will heavily implied that both can start over again :) (they obvious will not be brother & sisters!! Puke). 

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