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  1. Hello :)!

     

    I watched the finale after reading here your first impressions. Maybe if I wouldn’t have read it, I would be too disappointed, but I’m not: it isn’t a very good ending, but it isn’t bad at all. It is an ok ending to me.

     

    One thing: I watched the drama “the guest” back in the time and I can say it is an awesome drama (for those who like suspense/”horror” genre). The timing between suspense and revelation was perfect, imo. (It can contain spoilers) What made “the guest” an awesome suspense drama was that they had a major question “Who is the guest”, and then a bunch of minor questions, which did help to build up the suspense and at the same time the sense that the resolution comes closer and closer, and they kept this balanced tension (between suspense and resolution) until the climax at the last episode, when we get the big revelation of who the guest was. The execution, the development, the acting and the writing were on point.

     

    In the case of Bulgasal, I do think that the writers sacrificed the narrative and development of the story in favour of too much suspense and twist, while we did not need that to get involved with the story and characters. We had here a clear love story which was the foundation of the whole drama, and the waiting to reveals the background of this love story in the episode 16 wasn’t a good idea: it could work really well in a genre like The guest, but not in one as Bulgasal. For, the world building in the latter is more complex: in the guest we had one big question while in bulgasal we had many big questions, because its world complexity is built with many narratives lines that that surpassed and complement each other, making everything more complex (narratively speaking). So, I think they lost the timing to bring the most important revelations in the episode 13 and 14; if they had done that, even if only to the audience, we could know what really was going on and the ending wouldn’t feel so rushed. Until the episode 13, I was loving the pace and the timing, in special the pace of the romance between Hwal and SU, but in these episodes the writers lost their timing (inclusive that of the romance) and rushed things in the last episode.

     

    In general, I liked the drama, but I think it is the kind of drama better for a binge-watch.

     

    My last theory: I think reborn SU, after touching reborn Hwal’s hand and blood, begun to remember who they were: it wasn’t only a feeling, but a real memory.

     

    I enjoy very much to watch this drama with everybody here!

    Bye!:love:

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  2. Hello everybody.

     

    I have some ideas that I would like to point out:

     

    1. SOUL: at least in the case of the bulgasal specie, when they become humans – through stealing a human’s soul – they don’t carry/get the soul’s personality. In other words, a bulgasal basically remains the same when they are reborn as human, despite the soul they get, and which enable them to be born as human. If I’m not wrong, in principle, it is the soul who keeps the personality (and memories) of a certain human being when s/he is reborn. However, in the case of Hwal and SU, they don’t have the same personality as ET, and they have memories of a time before the time they have been possessing ET’s soul.

     

    2. BODY: The above leads me to think that, at least in the case of bulgasal specie, the body is their real “soul”, their bodies don’t really extinguish (I don’t know how to explain in English). In the case of humans, the body is perishable, and the soul is unperishable (at least according to some believes, as that of reincarnation). Meanwhile, the bulgasal specie – who hasn’t soul – would have an unperishable body, even when they become human and are reborn, some unperishability quality could remain, and therefore, it would keep its original personality and, also some body qualities. I don’t remember who (and when or where) wrote that Hwal was so strong (when human) because he once was a bulgasal: I think she or he is right. In fact, Hwal was stronger than any other warrior and the only one who could really kill monsters. This could apply also to SU, and therefore could explain how she can become stronger – e.i., even changing the colour of her eyes (it happened in episode 12) [This point seems to add to the considerations of @illayand  @JustforBulgasal ]. 

     

    3. In conclusion, we could say that SU and Hwal (when human) aren’t completely human: they keep in their bodies some bulgasal’s quality. Maybe it is why ET said he is half bulgasal because his body is originally a human body.

     

    4. A distinctive characteristic of Hwal’s personality is that he has a hot and almost uncontrollable temper. What he said to SU that he couldn’t think straight when he knew she was in danger is the essence of his personality. And this characteristic, I think, is a major factor in the misunderstanding between bulgasal couple throughout the millennium.

     

    5. ET: I do agree with @andy78 – He enjoys being a bulgasal, the only things that bother him is the dark hole and the possibility that they could return to be human. As many of us said already, ET is a liar and his liar technique is that of to build a lye from a small part of truth, messing with people’s memory and the fact that normally people don’t know the whole picture. I think that: A) He likes being bulgasal: it means to him power and eternity; B ) But, to fully enjoy being a bulgasal, he must close the dark hole, and that can only be done by breaking his own soul. Therefore, he needs Hwal to do this job. C) I don’t believe anymore that he wants or wanted Hwal's friendship or partnership: sure, he is an attention seeker, and he suffers when he is “abandoned”, but only to the point the person or monster would be useful to him. 

     

    6. HWAL KILLS MONSTERS – I don’t think it is surprising that Hwal killed the detective’s father. The only reason to believe that the killer was ET, it was the fact that was said bulgasal killed the detective’s sister too. But I think that ET lied here, Hwal’s didn’t kill her. So, if we put aside her death, it makes sense it was Hwal who killed him, because the father was a monster: Hwal never denied that he kills monsters. What he always denies is that he have killed innocent people, therefore he didn’t kill the little girl. We have to wait to see how she died, but I don’t think it was Hwal’s fault. Btw, I think that the detective will pounder the fact that his father was a monster and won’t blame Hwal; until now he didn’t know his father was a monster and an assassin.

     

    7. I think as @illay: the preview is misleading. It will not make sense that SU would tell Hwal that ET saved him without saying that he was originally a bulgasal and that they were a couple. It would be soooo bad writing not to tell Hwal everything that she remembered that I hope we won’t get there.

     

    Bye! ;) 

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  3. 4 hours ago, illay said:

    The shaman said that When He/She regained the memory, everyone inside the house would die. So my guess ..everyone on the house were part of the villagers on the scene who tried to execute the lady bulgasal hence killed by Hwalgasal. That's why when He regains the memory, He will hate them once again which I actually not sure will happen considering the memories they created together when He was born as Hwal.

     

    ET's real mother has not been shown yet, could it be Siho? 

     

    I think you’re right. The present memories will make them take another path, one of better understanding and forgiveness.

    I think the writers gave us the clue through what SU said to Hwal: “I don’t mind if we were enemies in our past lives. In the present you helped us, I will trust you” – something in this vein (I don’t remember the exact words).

    Well, someone may say “but she stabbed him after that!”.

    I think that one of the reasons for the misunderstands between SU and Hwal through time is that they are impulsive and revengeful: they react first and then think. I think we have some indications here:

    1.       Maybe what happened thousand years ago was because SU and Hwal thought or were informed (mislead?) about something evil to them and reacted impulsively and accordingly their (maybe) instinct of vengeance, and hence they created the origin of the confusion.

    2.       600 years ago, Hwal stabbed SU impulsively and only after that asked why she killed his family. (I still don’t have any idea of why SU stabbed him in the first place).

    3.       When SU discovered that Hwal was a bulgasal, she immediately stabbed him while asking why he killed her family (we see a progress here lol).

    4.       I lost how many times Hwal grabbed SU’s neck while asking her questions (lol).

    5.       The first thing that SU did after she remembered parts of their past was to stab him, and then, asked “who are you?”.

     

    I think this time, as we can see in the preview, they will be able to sort things out first. Because now, they are more open to think that maybe there is moreto it than it seems to be.

     

     

    1 hour ago, scribbledjunkie said:

    Eul Tae's statement are always half-truths. If he was rambling about Hwal's one-sided love for Sang Woon, we might just be shocked that it's him who "loves" everything Hwal represents. Hence his resentment towards Sang Woon and his goal of tearing them apart.

     

    I do agree. It was ET who had/has a one-sided love.

    I think the memory that Hwal had with SU smiling in a sunny day shows that they were in love then.  

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  4. 51 minutes ago, Haeun said:

    See my issue with this is that in this case we shouldn't care so much about Doyoon and Hwal's relationship either because Doyoon is not his son but the show obviously wants me to. They can't expect me to care for one relationship of the past and not for the other. Same thing with Siho and Doyoon, he isn't her son in this life so what's the use of wanting them to be happy together in this life when their connection from the past shouldn't matter. Sometimes it feels like the writers themselves don't know with what they want to go. The conections from their past it was pretty much drives the emotional aspect of the story though.

     

     

     

    Sorry to cut your post :blush:.

     

    I have no issue at all. Because I don't expect or wish that Siho and DY will have a relationship or feelings of mother and son towards each other: they are very cute and very connected as, say, brother and sister. Strong connection yes, mother and son relationship no: the beauty of this whole thing to me is that the connection-karma thing let room for freewill, agency, and “creativeness” to build new kinds of relationships. The same goes to Hwal and DY. Diversity, please, diversity ;).

     

    Maybe the difference is axed in the fact that, when I look to the characters, I see and relate to them from the point of view of their present: the present for Hwal begun more than sixteen years ago (and to me, then, he liked Sol very much, but wasn’t in love with her). The present of DY and Sol begun around 20 years ago.

     

    I don't think, either, that everything revolves around Hwal. I think every character has right to its own agency and own present-past. So, in the present, SiHo is family of SU (and only SiHo), and has a cute relationship like brother and sister with DY, and don’t like very much Hwal: she is almost indifferent to him.

     

    Yes, me too, I’m rooting for every one of those character to be happy at the end, and possibly with a strong bond between them. But I don’t think that they would think the any way they will have to be happy would be if they re-enact their past relationships in the present.

     

    So, I see no contradiction at all if, at the end of the drama,  SiHO and Hwal becomes good in-laws :). They will stay happy together, only in a different kind of relationship.:love:

     

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  5. I love Siho!! And I hope with fervour that there won't be a twist to make her evil!

     

    I love the dynamics and love between the sisters. I do think that, if ET didn't lie, in a previous life, SH had a more complicated role in the original entanglement than what we think, but I don’t think it would be evil, maybe ambiguous but not really evil.

     

    SiHo isn't Hwal's wife! Sol was his wife, SH isn't! Even the old woman (shaman?) says "your former wife", so the drama is telling us what should be obvious: currently, they aren’t married. To SiHo he is just a bulgasal whom nobody should trust entirely. If Hwal has guilty or soft feelings for SiHo, it is his problem: she doesn’t trust him, she doesn’t love him, she was afraid of him and is now, at best, indifferent to him. If she could choose, she will be miles away from him. She is there only for his sister, because she trusts her sister. In his past SH was his wife, but now Hwal should just think and act as an ex-husband who hasn’t any right over his ex-wife: an ex-husband can’t claim anything from his ex-wife.

     

    One more thought. IMO, Hwal liked Sol very much: it is within his personality at that time to like people who shows any kind of affection towards him, and it is clear that they were friends during their childhood. I think also, that he thought himself, in a way, grateful to get a chance – despite his curse – to have a family: this gave to him a kind of normality and happiness. And when he lost his family, in special his son, he lost his world. Yes, he liked her, but he didn’t love her in the way we expect to see in a love story. To me, it would be very very very wird (and bad writing) if Hwal didn’t feel anything when he saw SH: of course he should feel himself shocked, of course he should try with any means possible to protect her; of course he should still feel this affection and should like to see it reciprocated. So, to me, I think this is wonderfully done, by the writers, to make Hwal feels so much in the presence of SH. However, although he has these feelings for her (and should have), they are not the feelings of a true romantic love, imo. This romantic love, he feels towards SU. The development of their love story, to me, is also very nicely done: subtle, slow pace with this lovely and sweet chemistry.

     

    This is what I see in the drama.

     

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  6. 58 minutes ago, aria26 said:

    it depends on the universe of the drama. that concept is true in dramas like hotel del luna where the deities are chastising the female lead for still holding grudges in the past when everyone else have moved on.

    in this drama, karma seem to be a strong force that makes previous lives relevant. monsters keep their old nature even if they are already born human and should rationally have been given a chance to reform their lives. two of the characters are also immortal, the past lives are not past for them, they are still continuing to live in that timeline. honestly, I still dont understand where bulgasal is going, but we have to allow for this logic if we want to enjoy this drama at all

     

    I do understand this and do agree that karma here is strong and is one of the main elements of the drama. However, what we shouldn't expect or demand is that because you were, e.g., my son in a past life you have to be in the current one too or even feel this way. Yeah, the connection exist and should exist to make the story works, but the nature/categorization of their relationship shouldn't be once and for all established. This does not undermine the logic of the show, imo: Sol was an only child in the past, she is SU sister now. The detective was the father of ET and then of Sol and then brother of SU. Hwal had a father who has another son now: is his son Hwal's brother? Of course not!

     

    Sure, they are the same people entangled in a same karma, but their role and nature of relationships in this entanglement never was pre-established and changed as history changes.

     

    Karma and connection yes. Nature of relationship immutable, of course not. And I think this is in line with what the drama showed us till now. 

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  7. 37 minutes ago, marrez1 said:

    Past lives are past lives, present lives are present lives, lol, i understand the means of this drama for the plot but you don't judge a person with his past live, it's weird even it's exist

     

    True. Therefore people (if reincarnation is a fact) shouldn't remember his past, otherwise the confusion created would be giant.

    To me, in this kind of context, the important questions would be: who is the real father/mother/sister/brother/husband/wife/lover? The first, the last or the in between? Does one of them have more right than the others?

    That the connection can exist and can be felt, sure it is alright. But that the previous relationship could be claimed in the current life, imo, is totally absurd and unjust. 

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  8. I’m going back to the small piece of Hwal’s dream 600 years ago, his vision when SU touched his face and the memory of ET. These three moments, I think, tell us something. And I think that one of them is older than the others.

     

    Also, I think maybe we should have a timeline, which I believe should be older than thousand years.

     

    1. The first period: More than 1000 years? A pristine time, when Hwal and SU where a couple, maybe deities, bulgasals or other kind of supernatural beings. I think we have a glimpse of this time during Hwal’s vision – almost end of episode 3. It would be kind of “Edan’s garden”, I believe this because the vision was a very happy one.

    2. The second period: 1000 years/ moment of the fall (?!) I don’t know if we have already a scene from this time, however let’s assume that is the case, so it would be in the dream (Hwal) and in the memory (ET). I’m also betting that what happened in Hwal’s dream and in ET’s memory happened in this same period. Why I think that? Because according to my eyes (lol) SU’s cloths are the same in both scenes. In this case, Hwal couldn’t be ET’s younger brother (which is an interesting hypothesis). So, maybe my eyes are wrong and there is a period before the time that ET murdered his brother and after the first period, when SU and Hwal’s misunderstanding, or betrayal happened.

    3. The third period: More than 600 years ago - Hwal is born, and we know about the curse – Bulgasal is also around eating people. I assume this is ET. If Hwal was ET’s younger brother, this could easily explain why he is always “close” to Hwal, but I’m not sure if this would be the answer.

    4. The fourth period: More than 600 years ago - Hwal’s childhood. SU and Bulgasul close to him.

    5. The fifth period: 600 years ago - Hwal the monster hunter. A major event happens here. Hwal became bulgasul. SU became human and a new curse-carma begins. ET is there eating people.

    6. The sixth period: this is a long one, when Hwal and ET are chasing (and et killing) SU.

    7. The seventh period: 1970 – the fire and dead of one of SU’s life. ET killing SU.

    8. The eighth period: 1975 – detective’s childhood, his father is a monster reincarnated as human, and his sister is another life of SU (I believe). ET kills his father and sister.

    9. The nineth period: 2006-7 – Twins as teener, the tragedy of SU’s family, scape. ET eating people. Hwal is again late.

    10. Present time.

     

    Did I miss something?

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  9. 3 minutes ago, illay said:

    :o On what timeline it's  mentioned??! @ninaanin

    @illay timeline 1975. It's a bit too early from the fire in 1970, she was mayby 4 years old. but it is clear to me that she is SU. The father was a monster reincarnated as human and he was after his daughter, he said he did smelled the scent, and we know that it is always Hwal’s soul scent. And, before she did faint, she said it was bulgasal who was after them. IMO, it is obvious that she was SU or SY.

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  10. 5 hours ago, illay said:

    @ninaanin it's already shown on ep 1 as a dream when Hwal was sleeping inside the tent. I also talked about the possibility there's a twin on Goryeo era on earlier pages. However  When I re-watched it again , it seems the person the lady bulgasal stabbed is Hwal on his previous life. On that scene, Hwal has his back on camera and the hair is also short. The second scene is indeed confusing because The lady seems to has different face area that covered with blood. For sure the lady stabbed Hwal's palm that's why when He woke up, He immediately looked at the scar on his hand.

     

    There's still possibility that there's also twins because of the second scene but then It will contradict with the fact that Sang Yeon doesn't have Hwal's soul on present life. Anyway..in the beginning of ep 1, there's a future scene where Hwal meets SU on a bridge(?). She wears black dress with green vest. She looks at Hwal with a little bit teary eyes, same vibe which usually shown by the red lady bulgasal.  I think SU already remember things from the past on this point. 

     

    It seems I made a mistake. I didn't remember those scenes from episode 1. And, most important, I did mistake the scene that shows SU stabbing  Hwal's hand (his hand is in the foreground and she is in the background) as showing another woman.  Thank you for enlightening me. 

     

    This peace of information is a little one but I think it is very capital. The drama let see, since episode 1, that Hwal and SU has a very older story full of (I think) betrayal and misunderstandings. From this piece of information, it seems that SU thought that Hwal is the one that caused the fire (and probably deaths), maybe she was made then a bulgasal(?!), and tried to kill Hwal. It is sure that he got the scar and the curse then. 

     

    The writers gave us so many information throughout the episodes that I thought episodes 7-8 were already episodes 9-10 lol, only when I start watching episode 7 I realized it was still episode 7 :).  We have plenty of time to develop well the story. 

     

     

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  11. Could any of you help me? 

     

    I came across this mv and between 1'38" and 1'48" I see a sequency of scenes that I didn't see before. 

     

     

    I think that the scenes happened in the past (past 1000 or past 600). It seems to me that there were two women?! Two SU?! Two bulgasals!? Were they twins there tooI? I couldn'd see if the other woman is K Nara or anther actress. I don't think that this sequency was already showed. And I don't know what to make of this. 

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  12. I'm here too for the romance between Hwal and SU:love:. (But not only that ;))

    And I like very much the chemistry and the build up pace of their romance. For, to me, since the first episode it is clear that they are something very special to each other, with a very twisted fate, but nonetherless love at the end of their journey. . 

     

    I like very much the fact that their violent encounters and discussion, their attempt to kill each other (she stabbed him in the tunnel, he did almost break her neck many times) wasn't romanticized.

     

    Their romance has been built in the little moments of conversations, specially when Hwal let his guards down and when he is surprised by her humanity: what makes Hwal fall for her, I think, is the fact that she is a whole human being, and add to that, she is caring, loving and not selfish. 

     

    Maybe, I’m a little crazy, but SU is my favourite character.

    I love the fact that she is built as someone normal, even though we know, underneath and unconsciously, she has some kind of power. I like the fact that she isn’t a “superbadass” woman, and that her most important strength trait is her caring, empathy and protectiveness for the others. I like this sense of humanity and normality in the middle of monsters and supernatural beings.

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  13. @Bleu Winter Sorry, it was me that made a whole mess with the names:relaxed:. Thanks to @illay things are way clearer now ;).

     

    Your idea that SU has her own soul underneath Hwal's soul is the only way that I see to make possible she stays alive after that “everything has been put back in the right place” as SY said before she died. And I think that SU having her own soul makes sense and fits the drama’s narrative, and explain why she was born as twin.

     

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  14. 9 hours ago, andy78 said:

    i have the same feeling...it is not her the one who should be put in the cave but the evil Bulgasal Eul Tae ...maybe they'll end guarding the place again as deities...

     

    I hadn't made the connexion yet, and what you said just enlighten me that Hwal’s famous well is in fact a modern version of the cave of thousand years ago. Did Hwal make the connexion? I doubt, he is the most clueless bulagasal ever. :D

     

     

    6 hours ago, Bleu Winter said:

    Let's not focus on her possibility of dying yet. Sorry for my random rambling. 

    The picture where 2 deities supposedly protect the world from monsters, and maybe Eul Tae destroyed Sang Woon's soul as he was fascinated by her but she was never interested in him. 

    So in the present time, how if Sang Woon was born with a soul sealed within her that has powers. Not Hwal's but Sang Woon's own soul. Like how when she could stop the monster in ep 3 while she had visions of caves. If it is awakened then she could overpower the monsters easily.

    I didn't think Sang Woon could beat down the guy easily but she did with her hidden powers. Also possibly why Eul Tae can't kill her. 

    In ep 7, when she was strangled by the fire monster, she had some purplish veins appear on her face before Hwal threw the monster in the air. It was similar like when Hwal had dream where she strangled him while he was ssleeping. 

    Si Ho possibly could awaken all the hidden powers in all of them.

    If Si Ho reads Sang Woon's and Hwal's palm (the scar) joined maybe we would get the answer to the past. 

     

    I think that the idea of two souls in one body is really good. This should be also possible, more possible than the possibilities that two bodies share one soul. ;) 

     

    This is why I keep thinking that SW and SU, at the end of the day, are two different beings. 

     

    If I did understand right, you think that the second soul would be SW’s soul, and this second soul would enable SU to have this hidden power. This is an interesting idea. But, how  could we explain the fact that, according to everybody, SW didn’t have a soul? Unless this is also not true and she had a soul as a deity.

     

    Other possibility is that, as twins, they would share many things, including Hwal's soul, and a common past. But, in fact, they would be two separate entities: SW as the old one, SU as the new one. In this case, SU is a "fresh" person. We could see that possibility when both twins were alive: SW had an old and mature countenance; on the other hand, SU was a very normal, inexperienced, and young girl. 

     

    I think that there could be a paradox here, created somehow by SW: they share the same “substance”, but they are different beings. If this case, I think that the paradox would also create the possibility of SU having her own soul.

     

    Unless there is a paradox like that or unless SW had her own soul too, I can’t see how Hwal and SU could stay alive as human with just one soul.

     

     

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  15. 13 minutes ago, sadthe1st said:

    @ninaanin pointed it on #1 and i took a second look,

    i think the 2 with the halo (lady and man) might have been deities that were meant to guard the cave where the bulgasal is supposed to be trapped in.. i saw another image on google image where the spot that Eul Tae stood in front of the painting, he blocked the view of the cave and an outstretched arm of a monster..

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Is that a cave? I thought it was a lake lol, my bad. Yeah, this is a very interesting hypothesis: the deities as the guardians of the cave. 

    Anyway, what seems to me is very clear on the paint is that there is one bulgasal and two deities (or supernatural beings), which one is a woman. As it seems that the woman is SW, the conclusion should be that she wasn't originally a bulgasal.  The hypothesis of the deities as guardians makes my assumptions stronger to me.

    I like this idea :)

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  16. Hello!

     

    So many insightful thoughts! :) I wish I could have more time to participate more here.

    I have a few ideas:

    1. I do agree that the paint tells the story of thousand years ago. What I think interesting is the fact that we have the woman (probably SW) her face turned to us, we have a man (and my bet: it is Hwal) his back turned to us; and, we have, coming out from the lake, a bulgasal’s hand – whose owner I think is BB (bad bulgasal).

    2. I don’t know if SW has being always a bulgasal, she could be any kind of supernatural being (in the paint, she and the man had a hallo around their heads, which makes me think that they were more positive supernatural beings than negatives one). I think that BB was always a bulgasal, and I think that he fell for her or wanted something that was hers (which could make him more powerful? I don’t know). But, even in the case that SW was originally a bulgasal, I think she and BB were always enemies.  

    3. From the paint, we can imply that the man (possibly Hwal) and the woman (probably SW) were a couple. Then, a tragedy came, I think caused by BB and the curse begun.

    4. I think that SW cursed BB two times: first, then a thousand or 600 years ago (can be the last), to suffer the same pain every time that she would suffer one; second, presently, when she cursed that he wouldn’t be able to kill her twin sister. About the dark hole, probably it came through a fight with SW or the man from the paint (most probably the last if he was Hwal).

    5. I still think that SW wasn’t a bad bulgasal (during her time as bulgasal). I think she was like Hwal and didn’t drink human’s blood. I agree with those who think that – from the first episode – we can see that she never had blooded lips, she looked weak for a bulgasal because that – precisely as Hwal in the present. And, for me, the fact that she didn’t drink human blood was possible because, as well as Hwal, she wasn’t originally a bulgasal, but another kind of supernatural being.

    6. Why she killed Hwal? My theory is that only Hwal can/could kill the bad bulgasal (because the curse or other reason), but he should be a bulgasal himself to be able to do that. So, I think the idea was to make Hwal a Bulgasal and then, after the death of the bad bulgasal, she would return his soul. However, instead, he killed her and lost his soul then. Maybe they had in previously lives planned to do so, or it was/is the supernatural world’s rules to break the whole curse or to put things in its right place. However, Hwal did forget his past lives and therefore their plan or the rules. So, she felt herself betrayed by him when he killed her.

    7. I think SW had the power to set curses. So, I agree with those who said that she cursed herself to born split in two bodies. SW was the bulgasal, and this is why she said this was her last chance, because it was her eighth reincarnation: she had the memories, the power (even if weak) and the “body” of the bulgasul, and the soul of Hwal; SU shares the soul and the body of SW, but I think she is completely human. A special human maybe, but a whole human: and it is because she shares SW's body and soul, that she can also shares her memories (maybe power) from past lives.

     

    Finally, I’m loving the pace of the romance between Hwal and SW :love:.

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  17. On 1/6/2022 at 11:07 PM, Fummagirl said:

    He know that sang woo kill the family of hwi

    I think that he knows that Hwal think that Sang-woo killed his family. I still think there is a 50%  chance that the bad bulgasal (I don't know why but can't never remember his name :)) is the killer. 

     

    I wouldn't take for granted what the bad bulgasal (BB) tells . I think that what he todl to Hwal was half true half lies, and some things 100% lies. 

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  18. Hello,

    I don’t know why, but I’m a bit obsessed with this show and that made me return to Soompi after a few years without comment over Korean dramas. In fact, last couple of years had me not so much into Korean dramas, but now this has changed with Bulgasal.

    I must confess that I was feeling myself a bit annoyed by comments in other sites, which ones were affecting my pleasure while watching the drama. But, it seems to me that this forum has a more amiable ambiance and so here I am (sorry if I can’t say what I just said now, I don’t remember very well soompi’s rules).

     

    I’m loving the pace, the story and the aesthetics of this drama. I think also that every actor and actress are doing a very fine job.

     

    About the pace, what I find interesting is that (until now) it seems to me that the writers are building the story in phases, each phase corresponding to a weekend episodes: P1 – I would call it pre-drama or introduction: first episode the story of Hwal and how he became a bulgasal; second episode, the development of Hwal’s bulgasal life, the introduction and strugglers of the twins, culminating in the present time. P2 – I would call it lost-and-found: episodes 3 and 4, the introduction of important secondary characters, most importantly this phase shows the leads in the processes of finding and loosing each other, first impressions, great misunderstandings. P3 – I would call it push-and-pull: episodes 5 e 6, the misunderstandings go on, but now they need to work (and live) together: time and opportunity to break first impressions and pre-conceptions.

     

    One thing that I find really good is the aesthetics of the four leads. First, the bad bulgasal is clearly inspired (at least to me) by vampire’s movies. First, I thought that there was a big influence of Dracula portraited fantastically by Gary Oldman in “Bram Stoker’s Dracula”, full of sensuality and eroticism, very eros and Thanatos. But then I remembered “Interview with the Vampire” and the character of Lestat (Tom Cruise) and I think now that this movie is more influential here than Dracula, in especial with its French renaissance figurine.

    Contrary to the flamboyant bad bulgasal, Hwal is very minimalist, sombre and rather ascetic. I think this contrast striking and intentional, as in the opposition between Dionisius and Apollo. The asceticism in Hwal is an important component in his personality, specially with his choice/fight to not drink human blood: his visuals match very well with his character.

    The girls. There is here also a contrast: although Si-ho doesn’t wear (I think) brandy clothing, but she is very fashionable in a streetwear way, and this detail enhance her youth and beauty. By contrast, Sang-un …eh … what can I say … is as “ajuma” lol: she is the expression of someone who is not into fashion at all, but more than that, she wears deliberately clothes that make her old and ugly (that is really impossible but … lol). I think that this detail is also intentional and let us see the ability that Sang-un has to hide herself: she is beautiful, but beauty isn’t an advantage for someone who needs to stay hidden, unnoticed: so, ajumanlike cloths – ugly, but practical and comfortable, and despite their floral patterns they are just indifferent. 

     

    I would like to add, for now, that I think Sang-un a really refreshing heroine. Because she is just a down-to-earth character. Sometimes I become very tired of some female characters who ought to be badass or very strong-willed to be good. However, save few exceptions, most of us normal women are very little badass and strong-willed, which doesn’t mean that we are not competent and very much capable of many things. And I think that, although in a fantasy story, Sang-un is a very real character. She is someone with a great and necessary ability, that is to protect herself and her sister and again and again scape to a new and safe place. She has been doing that for fifteen years (I see many critics against her in this regard, however I think that, within the drama structural logic, she is very good in it). Another good trait: she has emotional intelligent – when Hwal said to her that she couldn’t go to her house, she said I will, he answered saying that the bad bulgasal would be there: here, in this detail, rest a big difference in contrast to most “strong-willed” female character who would go there just to make a point. We see that she ponders and decides that he was right. And this brings me to one more wonderful  trait of her: her ability to keep her agency without being badass (at least in the sense that I understand it): to me, this is again a brilliant trait. We could witness it at work in two times: first on thet moment, already cited, when she said that he misunderstood her and that was she who decided to stay with him; the second, and the best, in the last part of episode six, when she said that it was her decision to offer herself to him, tha she had choices and she will use her choices following her understanding. No Hwal, you can’t take her agency away!:)

    Bye!

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  19. Dear fellow MA fans,

     

    If you are waiting to find a show that comes near My Ajussi on quality and "hooking-ability" to be able to watch and enjoy a new drama, then I'm afraid you will have to wait many many years or maybe forever.

     

    This kind of quality from a tv production happens only a few times in a viewer lifetime: it is a kind of epiphany that arises through a conjunction of mysterious and mystical phenomena!!

     

    My advice: put MA on its due high place, then lower your expectations - making an epistemological cut or a Kierkegaardian leap -, and with a detached espirit, I believe, one can be able to watch and enjoy another drama after MA. 

     

    True: It is not easy, I myself tried two or three times (About Time, Secretary Kim and Marry Me), before being able to enjoy (as entertanment) a new show. This happened with Investigation Couple (I like very much the main actor) and I'm currently enjoying Mr Sunshine (in spite of not being a fan of KES - BTW I'm surprised that some issues from MA surface here too [age gap and "pretty young face can be a cold murderer, but I love him and hope he will get the girl"] lol). I don't expect more than a few hours of pure tv entertainment, nor do I expect (or want) to be hooked, just to have enough interess to be able to follow and enjoy a show without much engagement. And this is working  now :)

     

     

    P.S.: Another point - I will be surprised if MA get some awards. Not because it hasn't enough quality (on the contrary!!!), but precisely because its high quality. We can't forget that this is an industry, and in this environiment quality means high ratings: even if MA was a beloved drama, its ratings wasn't the highest amongst the higher ratings (e.g.: LL, Secretary Kim and that Noona food drama have an average higher ratings than MA). I'm afraid that if this KES drama keeps its high ratings, there will be no place to MA in the awards, nor to others dramas :(. So, in regards to awards, I think we should also lower our expectations. 

     

    This is all for now. Back to my logged out lurker mode ;) .

     

     

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  20. Hello @justamom, I'm here every day, only not logged in :);) .

     

    Yes, I know the book. Meu pé de laranja lima (My sweet orange tree) is very popular in Brazil, through the book itself and also through movie and telenovelas (soap opera). Part of the book's success rests on its ability to be read, at the same time, as a child book and as an adult book.

     

    It took me a bit of time to understand that Zeze is Zezé (it makes a huge difference in portuguese) lol.  Zezé is a five yo boy, very precocious and prankish, who learned to read alone and lives in a transition between real world and fantasy: he has a great imagination, but at the same time has a deep understanding (for his age) of reality. Due to his pranks, he is severely punished by his family. Only his sweet sister (Glória) can sometimes save him. He has two friends: the orange tree (Minguinho - who is still young and which first blooming happens at the end of the story) and an old portuguese immigrant. 

     

    Making comparison between Zezé, the young orange tree and IU's lyrics, I really understand why one can see it as an erotic song. I don't know if this is widespread, but in my country, a flower can be a symbol of virginity, and to say to take "the flower" is a metaphor of to take the woman's virginity.  I will not deal with other words in IU's song, but it seems to me that the lyrics of her song can be seen as very controversial, in special in a conservative country like Korea. 

     

    Bye! :) 

     

     

     

     

     

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  21. Hi!

     

    A few days ago my computer logged me out from here. I thought: Good, if I can't logged myself out, the gods of work did that for me lol. 

     

    But, after lurking through My Ahjussi Fan Site, I can't help but come here to congratulate everyone who helped to make this amazing site. Thank you!

     

    Now, I will log out for sure. But will still follow you here and at the Fan Site. Bye

     

    P.S.: Two things about DH and car - I think that at episode 3 or 4 DH said that he didn't have a car (when he answered a ["fake"] phone call from KB). I think that this add to the insights that you are making here about this issue.

     

    Second, the Family's Honor Drama has is a similar situation where the girl (regularly) sits back while the guy drives. This couple (my favourite) has a age gap and the guy is in a divorce process. They share something with DH-JA couple, in the sense that the girl falls first and acknowledge this easily; the guy thinks he is in a friendship relationship and doens't want to be/know he is in love (the development is different though). But, the fact is that she sits back and then, I thought it was because he was still married/ fresh divorced and she was younger; so it was to avoid people gossip and to keep a respectful distance. Nonetheless, their conversation during those drives where the moment when they talked and shared ideas and feelings. In other words: they were occasions for fall in love with each other. ;) 

     

     

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