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I just realized something. If we go according to the theory from several Dramabeans commenters that the dead Hae Soo was in love with Wook. Then I think that it makes sense now that the "real / dead" Hae Soo was in love with Wook and Wook gets her heart no matter what. But the "current / living" Hae Soo / Go Ha Jin will be and soon to be in love with So and he gets her heart. Really, they all get the girl they love but through the same body. 

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2 minutes ago, freckledbelle said:

 

Can't is the operative word. I thought about it last night but i was so frustrated and irrirated at HS for keep on pushing WS away so i somewhat forgot but yeah the word means A LOT. 

In this episode they showed a scene where HS is going up the stairs but when she turned around WW was already facing the other side. Then they walk in opposite directions. It was fuzzy to me last night because i was crying but i know that 'that scene' is relevant. That it has meaning. And it's more meaningful because not much words were spoken just their names. And so i am with you in hoping that in the next episode she will realise the extent of WS love and not misunderstood it as other such as pity and the like.

 

That scene actually reminded me of the movie 5 cm per second. The last scene of both characters walking past each other and then there's the train. To me, that scene signifies even more that there's a wall between Hae Soo and Wang Wook already regardless of any remaining feelings. They turned their backs on each other.

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@hallyus Exactly. So is not the type to let others control him. So I do not get Yeon Hwa's character tagline because it says she becomes the queen to guard His Majesty. I just can't picture her guarding So but I can picture her guarding Wook.

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24 minutes ago, dears said:

 

Yes, we are talking to each others. Others are more interested in the love relationship between Wang Wook - Hae Soo - Wang So. I didn't do research on Wang Eun and Wang Jung, so I didn't know anything about them. Since Hae Soo is a fictional character so I'm sure Wang So and Wang Wook are never a rival in love, Wang Wook's sister marries Wang So, so as a matter of fact, I think Wang So and Wang Wook has a better relationship than what described in this story. Wang Wook's son served as a regent king between 5th king (Wang So's son) and 7th king (Wang So's grandson, Mokjong) since at that time Mokjong is a child that is not illegible to the throne yet. So rather I would say, Wang So and Wang Wook are an ally. But I'm not very sure myself.

 

I know. Too bad since this is based on the Scarlet Heart novel, we have to endure So and Wook going against each other. I love to see them bromancing if there's a new sageuk based on this time period. And Wang Wook's son wasn't just the regent king but the king between Gyeongjong and Mokjong. Wang Wook also gave birth to Empress Chunchu too. I think he was such a great man that he gave birth to a king, Empress Chunchu, and the mother of King Hyeonjong. Everything has to go through him first. But obviously, that's real history. In this drama, it's the opposite. Everyone is hating on Wook. I do hope we will get to see scenes between the 9th prince and Chae Ryung though. I wonder what's in store for us considering Prince Won will definitely die. And several people on DramaBeans thought of theory that the real Hae Soo was in love with Wook and chose to commit suicide. I mean, I feel bad for the real Hae Soo.

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5 minutes ago, dears said:

 

Hoho, it's kinda different with me. I don't really like history. It was my least favorite subject during my school days. Sometimes I even avoid watching Saeguk drama. But I do feel a sudden interest for a particular character in the history. There are times when I watch a historical drama (not a korean drama, as I said this is the first time I was attracted to a historical figure in Saeguk drama) and curious about one character and then decide to search everything about him in the history, how it all began, why the history leading to where it was. And this time, it was GwangJong. When I saw Wang So, I was attacted to him, why he become the king that he was. This drama is like his journey. He was not all bad. I'm sure no one is. What drives him to make the decision to kill 2 of his nephews in the history, the way he eliminated all the clans before they rebel on him, how he will make a rule to free the slave and instruct a test for the civil servant to serve as the officials (in order to reduce the power of the stong families and the corruption and collusion). I'm not sure it will all be explained in this drama, and maybe it just end up with Wang So's struggle until he gets the throne. But at least my curiosity got me here and everywhere, lurking on everything about this drama.

 

Yes. This drama gives us something to think about Wang So's reign. And I think that maybe in history, Wang Wook was either a good guy or a bad guy. Ultimately, they become in-laws in history. lol From brothers to rivals for the throne and the lady to future in-laws. It's interesting to think all about these events and characters and the connections to history. I think it's too bad that we can't have a fusion of So and Wook (that's my opinion). I also find it interesting that Eun's wife was Taejo's concubine in history. That was a surprise . By the way, we are talking to ourselves.

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12 minutes ago, dears said:

 

Me too. I don't really put emphasis to Hae Soo love relationship, since the reason at the beginning to watch this series is not that. I was amazed by the resemblance between the story and the history in Korea. I knew this is a remake. I thought that it will follow the Chinese novel just as it is, but the writer did some research, and actually based it in the real kingdom in Korea, not just create and copy the one from China into a fictional kingdom, It's interesting to see how much they are able to maintain, and how will it distort. It's like the scene in the drama help to understand each of the characters in the history that we will never get to know, since they were no longer here. Well, it's not like the writer's description of the characters is all true, but I could just pretend it is. This is the first time I actually do a deep research into the history, I have ever bothered before. Other Saeguk drama I just accept it as a mere drama, not a slightest interest to know about each of the character well.

So that's why, I could care less who Hae Soo would end up with, 4th prince, 8th prince, and I never suffer a heartbreak seeing Soo rejection over Wang So or her attachment to Wang Wook. That's why I could even joke about it. I just want to see the development of all the characters (their emotional roller coaster) and curious about how they will become in the future of this series. And I will leave it all to the writer. I trust the writer.

 

I know. I actually was cheering when So and Wook held each other's robes. And I just stared at and replayed the scene when they crossed swords in the preview. Your reason to watch the drama is the same as mine. I personally like history and anything that is history based intrigue me too. I know no Korean so having these sageuk dramas help me to learn about the Korean culture (I do research on the other Asian cultures too). It's a personal hobby. I read somewhere that sometimes when men love the throne, they love the ladies more. It's the situation between So and Wook now.

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I think I will lose sleep when I see all the princes grow out their beard. I remembered one of the trailers had Yo with his beard on. Even there's a picture of Wook with his beard on. LOL I AM A DISGRACE!!! I should be caring about the romance instead. hahahahah...

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addaxi So let's see, if we don't count all the posts before Moon Lovers airs, that leaves us 903 - 133 = 770 pages. 770 / 12 (episodes) ~ 64 pages per episode. That's a fast rate.

And yes, I think we will hit 1000 pages during this week.

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@dears So earlier, you mentioned about how Wang Wook and Baek Ah continued the legacy since Wang So's reign ended through his son. I thought about Wang Wook's name and Baek Ah's real name. I think Baek Ah's real name, Wang Wook - although written differently and means something else, it is pronounced the same as Wang Wook's name. And Wook means the rising sun. I think it is truly fitting since Goryeo's descendants continued through Baek Ah's son, King Hyeonjong - who is also a grandson of Wang Wook.

Then I remembered someone saying Wang So's meaning the sun at the edge or something like that, I think it is befitting for him and his reign. He kept the country together after King Taejo died and Hyejong (Crown Prince Moo) and Jeongjong (Yo) ascended the throne because it was founded and had to go through troubles and even had to kill his subjects who went against him later in his reign. Yet, Goryeo can't continue through his bloodline. It has to continue with Wook and Baek Ah's bloodline - the rising sun.

I'm not sure if anyone is understanding what I am trying to say.

And I know everyone is disappointed with Hae Soo x Wang So love line. I personally just want to see how the brothers battle for the throne and the impending tragedy . I am such a bad fan lol .

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9 minutes ago, dears said:

 

Do you know what other thing I found:

Wang So's son, 5th king, Gyeongjong, married 2 daughters of Wang Wook, each as 3rd and 4th Queen Consort.

The son of GyeongJong and his 3rd Queen Consort is the 7th king, Mokjong.

While the 4th Queen Consort later had an affair with Baek Ah (yes, her uncle), and gave birth to HyeonJong, the 8th king of Goryeo.

So we know that all the kings afterward come from HyeonJong's line who is Baek Ah's son, but he is also Wang Wook (8th prince)'s grandson, since his mother is Wang Wook's daughter. Surprising, isnt it?

The conclusion is while Wang So's line stopped reigning over Goryeo, Wang Wook & Baek Ah's continued the legacy.

 

Also, Wang Wook's son was the king during the first Goryeo-Khitan's conflict. It's weird of how Wang So will become king but his line ended. Then like you said, the ones to continue the legacy are Wang Wook and Baek Ah. Even Baek Ah's son has part of Wang Wook's line in him.

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59 minutes ago, moonlover399993 said:

I applaud actors and actresses when they make me hate their villain characters. That shows that they can portray and do their job. I have nothing against Kang Ha Neul, lol. His doing fantastic job of making me hate his character now. At first I liked him-good looking, likable, kind, sweet, etc. NOW, boy how do I hate his guts, lol. I feel like his competing for number one on the hate list with WS mother, then comes Yeon Hwa, then Yoo (from what I can see, the order might differ for someone else) xD.

 

I know. It's Wang Wook vs. Yeon Hwa vs. Queen Yoo for the #1 villain spot.

On the other hand, someone mentioned about Yeon Hwa's character poster about how she will become the queen and "His Majesty" probably hints So.

This is the line I got from the poster:

"I will be empress. If not me, then who will guard His Majesty?"

I think His Majesty here can mean both So and Wook. I

If talking about So, obviously, she will betray her brother and make sure to get So on the throne if her love for So becomes deeper. But I do not think that she can guard So. Therefore, I feel that His Majesty here most likely means Wook, her older brother instead.

If talking about her still working to pay her debt to Wook and to protect her clan, His Majesty in her mind is probably Wook, not So despite the fact that she will become So's queen later on. Becoming So's queen doesn't mean that she's loyal to him because in her mind, her only King is probably Wook. Also, it says that she will guard His Majesty - I think this is saying that she will do everything to protect him from So and to make her brother the King one day.

She wants to be the god above the King. I think whether she becomes So's queen or if her brother is on the throne, she's the god above the King in both situations. So won't kill her unless she really just hits on his nerve. Wook won't kill her because she's his sister and helps him getting the throne.

But I never watched Shine or Go Crazy, so I do not know if Queen Daemok was truly a protective of her husband or not in history.

Since she's so ambitious and cunning, Hae Soo will keep suffering. Oh dear...

Woo Hee's tagline: "In this moment, I am not Baekje’s daughter, but your companion."

The companion here probably refers to both Baek Ah and Hae Soo.

Chae Ryung's tagline: "Once a woman makes up her mind, how can she throw those feelings away?”

I think this also hints her acceptance of her death at the end of the drama.

Soon Duk's tagline: No matter what people say, that person is Goryeo’s greatest man.”

Wang Eun may annoy a lot of people but he has no ambitious for the throne or want to harm others. I think that's what Soon Duk likes about him and his carefree nature also.

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17 minutes ago, smitten1710 said:

http://mstarsnews.musictimes.com/articles/114643/20161001/moon-lovers-scarlet-heart-ryeo-spoilers-wang-hae-soo-getting-married.htm

I just found the link above it says :

Though Wang So offers marriage to Hae Soo, the lady seems to be still in love with Wang Wook, as reported by itechpost. This instance appears to be something that fans might be alarmed over in the love story of Hae Soo and Wang So. But the good news is that fans must not be worried as in Korean history, Hae Soo still becomes Wang So's queen, and she is the only mother to his children.

whaaat?? and here I've been reading about how history recorded that Yeon Hwa became his queen, they had more than one children etc etc.

Can someone please explain? 

 

I know. Even in history, his only wife - Queen Daemok - came from the Hwangbo clan. Yeon Hwa comes from Hwangbo clan not Hae Soo. If Hae Soo becomes Queen Daemok instead, that's a big twist.

P.S. I apologize if I double posted :(.

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11 minutes ago, moonlover399993 said:

That hypocrite! I can't believe him, blaming Wang So, WANG SO, when HE is the one who is making cowardly steps.

First of all, he makes empty promises to Soo regarding getting her out of the palace, marrying her, and buying her countless soaps, etc... EMPTY PROMISES. He finds out the TRUTH that his sister is involved and does NOTHING for Soo. I get family comes first, BUT if it wasn't for Wang So, she could've died by that noose. No matter if that royal degree came along, if Wang So didn't fight those soldiers and halted the hanging, she would have died. WHERE THE HECK WAS WW?? Nowhere. 

Second, he saw what she went through. He SAW her kneeling for what 2 days at the most, goes up to her and makes his presences know to her, but at the last second TURNS HIS BACK TO HER. Like a COWARD! I'm sorry to any WW-HS shippers, but what kind of man does that to his lover. 

I love how Lady Oh and now WS tell him straight to his face what kind of man he is. Straight up, no sugar coating it because he is a prince. I hope Baek A does it as well and other people too. I wouldn't mind getting in line. I have so much to say, that this post won't cover all. 

I really HOPE HS pulls herself together and stands up to herself. This isn't the 21st century anymore, she's got to open her eyes to everything, see everyone's moves. And I wouldn't blame her honestly, if she yells at everyone to leave her alone. Losing two mother figures, both to illness (her cousin was ill, and Lady Oh had stomach cancer) I would too stay away from anyone that might cause me trouble, since all men are princes and everyone is jealous and envy of her. 

I wanted to rant my anger out on WW, instead wrote a long post, haha. Can't wait to watch the whole episode then. 

 

 

To make your blood boil like that, you have to give it to Kang Ha Neul for making everyone disappointed in Wang Wook. lol

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Wang Wook (8th Prince)

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Like you, Wook has a gentle spirit, full of wisdom because of his openness to learning new things and his ability to absorb them quickly. Of course, this doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes, but he has a good heart. That's something you guys both share, as well as curiosity, love for words, and relaxed vibes.

 

LOL After taking the quiz like twice, I got Wang Wook for both times . Too bad, I'm not Hae Soo.

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29 minutes ago, ruizaio said:

While international popularity of a show is certainly nice, it doesn't have much impact on the producers of the show. Domestic ratings are directly tied with the money they can make at the moment because it affects the price of the advertisement slots, but international viewers don't affect them since they have already sold the rights to the various countries at a fixed price. Of course, I don't know any details about how things really work in the industry, but Kdramas are different from on-going variety shows like Running Man where the international fandom can contribute to their revenue in different ways. It's all about the money.

I think that even if Moon Lovers receives low ratings in Korea, it's so popular abroad that SBS will still make a lot of money through selling broadcasting rights. It still gains more than losses. It aired simultaneously in so many countries and Thailand will be airing it soon after Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam, Japan, and others.

17 minutes ago, gihwayujo said:

sorry guys, slightly out of topic here.

i decided to check out "time between wolf and dog" out of curiosity. i'm not a fan of thriller/spy flicks so i never watched it. but i thought i'd catch up on one of lee joon gi's earlier works while waiting for monday to arrive

guess who i found!

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it's empress hwangbo! (wook's mother) http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Jung_Kyung_Soon

this is also the series where lee joon gi acted opposite nam sang mi (female lead in joseon gunman).

I know. Queen Hwangbo was Wang So's boss in Time Between Dog and Wolf. King Taejo was Wang So's enemy in Two Weeks and Wang Wook was a mentally disabled person (cameo role) in Two Weeks, also. What a small world!

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@cyriatan No worries. I totally get your point. And yes, I agree. I should have made my point clearer. I don't think he's a coward for choosing his family or his ambitions over love / Hae Soo but I agree with you that he is a coward when it comes to sharing the struggle with Hae Soo. That for sure is his cowardice. He fights by himself and it's not good.

The Goryeo era is not the 21st century and this is a drama. Back when it's Goryeo's time, the difference between life and death is a just a fine line. I think all the characters are victims of the system, of the structure back then. Each character is in a cage looking for a way to open the door to freedom, to fly high and spread their wings (living with their ideals). Baek Ah said that he wants to be free. Wang So chooses love but he will realizes that he needs to do something to protect his love - Hae Soo. Wang Wook chooses power and he will realize that he needs to follow power to find his freedom. Yeon Hwa wants to be like the god above the king to safeguard her life. Queen Yoo wants her son on the throne to safeguard that she is the ultimate winner (even if she doesn't get the King's heart). Court Lady Oh chooses to protect Hae Soo because that is her door to freedom after witnessing the man she loves fails her and she loses her baby. The King chooses to be the King and that is his freedom even if he has to throw all else away. And many more. I think I feel for all the characters regardless of their goodness or evilness. The degree of morality, love and beliefs are different for all of them.

All of them will pay for their decisions. If the writer is taking creative liberties and make Wang Wook the king, he will not know the true happiness since he lost Hae Soo. If it goes according to history and Wang So becomes the king, he will find it increasingly difficult to keep Hae Soo by his side at the end because she'll be hurting too much. If Yeon Hwa becomes the queen, her life is safe but she does not have the love of the man she loves and her brother may turn on her after knowing she betrays him. If Hae Soo chooses to marry the 14th princes according to the novel, she will have regrets also.

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3 hours ago, cyriatan said:

Hi chingus! As you know the thread goes palli palli  So I don't know if I may be repeting some ideas.

I wanted to comment on the topic of Hae Soo requesting from Wook if she missed her. My view may not be really romantic, but oh well. I believe HS liked WW genuinely, however at the same time I deem HS to be smart and thus always understood her marriage with Wook was not only meant to be out of love, but also "get me out of here". It had a very practical purpose of getting her out of palace, and yes, ultimately allowing her to live happily outside with Wook. But it represented in general her posibility of being happy, containing but going beyond Wook. 

Wook became a source of security for HS amidst the strange Goryeo enviroment. I don't know if you have ever experienced it, I'm an inmigrant myself and have lived in different countries and being alone with no support is harsh. In those kind of situations, you need to find some relief, it may be an idea ("There's more for me travelling around in the long term than staying in the security of my home, this is who I am, this bad moment will pass, learn from it", etc. for example as it was for me) or a person that helps you and becomes a link for your adaptation. It has a deep emotional force because it's...fundamental, without it you crush under the pressure. It happens to us under great stress. When a loved one dies, sometimes we believe and hold to the strangest beliefs, after accidents, etc. Wook became for her that possibility, or element that will allow adaptation. Finding yourself again and embracing a new purpose of life...when you time-travelled to Goryeo! Living as Wook's wife theoretically-happily-forever was HS purpose of life. I don't want to mean by this that she's manipulative. When I travelled I met important persons who helped me and became special for that, and I knew I had to accept their help to adapt and was really thankful for that. You develop special trust and feelings when someone helps you in hard situations. So when WW abandoned her, she lost not only support, a lover and a friend. She lost the new life she envisioned for herself that probably took her long to construct after landing in Goryeo.

Requesting from her to completely deatach from WW is understandable, but it's more than leaving behind a lover. Once her future with WW is gone: what's there in Goryeo for her? She's lost. We know there's WS, of course  Actually I'm sad that, as many as you commented, their love relationship has not started yet since for me "unconscious" love is not that meaningful. The story need their love development and considering how things are now, I doubt we'll see the type of ferocius love at least I'd been waiting from HS. What I hope will be actually WS replacing WW in HS' "nuclear identity support". WS will become her supporter, her reason to live: "I'll help this person to achieve happiness" transformed into "We'll be happy together". I remember reading here on Soompi Ruoxi's final letter and it went about how the 4th saved her many times. I think we have been shown how HS values WW as someone who saved her many times before (even if we know it was WS most of the time). So I think her love for WS will flourish from this feelings, in dramas this type of love out of "shielding" is very common among female characters. Very distinct compared to WS, who developed more a love from mutual understanding. I personally don't like the type of love I think HS will have, but I respect it. We each love in a different way, and it's still love. I'm not saying that as time goes by, she won't end recognizing in WS someone she'll love also from mutual understanding, but I think for HS feeling secure is really important. For WS for example I think it is clear that, even if the fact she helps him and cares for him contributed to their trust, it is not the root of his love. I think that HS changing abruptly and somehow finding herself madly, passionately in love with WS after a kiss or similar would be not believable at all, but I think she'll hold to him very strongly after this turmoil. That can be passion, but...different from my expectation. I find it ironic, but maybe HS will be the one more in need of WS than the other way round, or at least they'll need each other for different reasons. Maybe I'll be surprised, I hope so! 

Finally I want to say I understand WW. I think I would choose like him, and wouldn't sacrifice my family for love. I also don't think that's demandable from anyone. WS is our hero because he does, and this is a drama. I think what will drive HS and WW separated will be his lack of explanation. If WW went to HS and calmly explained he couldn't throw his family (and his desire for the throne, I think they're the same in the end) just for her, she would have been the one to tell him to not do so. I, and many other, would too. He may be greedy but his family was at stake, let's not forget that, I think his struggle was not because of the throne, but his family and responsabilities. What's unnaceptable is that he had his oportunity to explain himself but still chose to struggle rather than accepting that he's that type of person, not your romantic hero. I understand him, he had to choose between power and love. What he threw away was not only HS, but freedom and a placid life. I don't find it troublesome he'd prefer to live a life with more power than love, even if I understand that's not desirable for a romantic drama character! But it doesn't justify being a coward. That's his mistake. I hope when HS confronts him he'll explain himself. Yes he missed her, but he won't be the one to fulfill her expectations. HS will understand. If he lies because of his ego, HS will think he's a liar, because he is. That will drive them apart. If he says the truth, they still won't be together. But he'll preserve his dignity. I think before finding YH was behind the poison plot, he was still debating between responsabilities, greed and freedom and happiness. He could have really chosen the latter. However when fronted with reality, accusing his sister and abandoning his clan, power, etc. he knew he would choose palace life. I think his greed will surface since from that point onwards, if he has to go towards this path, it may as well be until the end: being the king. At the end we all pursue happiness/purpose.

 

@cyriatan We have the same thoughts. I also do not consider him as a coward but I do admit that he gives out empty promises. Also when he turns his back on Hae Soo, he makes his choice already and he's going for the throne. He will not have her heart. For someone like Hae Soo, he's not someone that she should be with and put her love in him. I think both of them did like each other sincerely but the root of their love was not strong enough to endure when it comes to choosing between power vs. love. I think Wang Wook loves Hae Soo not because he loves her for who she is but because Lady Hae is gone and Hae Soo gives him the source of happiness in place of her and Hae Soo is just different from the other ladies that he met (just like someone mentioned previous - I can't remember who did). Hae Soo loves him because she thinks she can trust in him and he was the first to give out his hand to her. I also think that maybe he was the reminder of her boyfriend in the modern day and she thinks that she won't experience that betrayal feeling again. I do not think there was a mutual love but there was love but again, the love would not be strong enough to withstand such a sudden and painful situation as Lady Oh's sacrifice and the choice between power vs. love. I guess you can also call it infatuation like someone said previously. Hae Soo was  They were destined to meet and had good memories but the love wasn't strong and they are not destined to be until the end. If Hae Soo was able to change Wang Wook like she did with Wang So, I think maybe their love could have endured all that happened in episode 11. But only Wang So was able to change because of Hae Soo. Wang Wook was the same. This goes back to the debt and debtor. I think Hae Soo and Wang So do not feel they are debtors to each other. They put each other on the same level. Only Wang Wook is feeling the debt he owed to his wife or Hae Soo owes him her life (back in episode 4 - but Wang So also was there). These two are not on the same level.

Hae Soo is slowly having feelings for Wang So without acknowledging it. She also blindly thinks that she is still liking Wang Wook but she just doesn't know her heart fully well because she's torn between both. And I agree that she needs closure. In the C-version, Ruoxi gets the closure and chooses to reciprocate 4th prince's feelings. So sooner or later, she'll move on. We just need to wait.

I think in episode 4, when Wang Wook went to save Hae Soo and Jung, it shows that he's willing to endure the hardships or even risks his life for her, only if it doesn't involve his family. But in episode 11, he has to choose. Not talking about his manipulative sister (Kang Han Na's acting is outstanding) but he cannot let his mother be involved. Like you said, he chose power and he will have to live with regrets like King Taejo and descends into the darkness. His only path now is to continue with it especially after seeing his mother kneeling down in front of Queen Yoo. To him, the path of power will give him what he wants.

But everyone will have different opinions and that is great for the discussion :). Some will pity him. Some will see him as a coward. Some will still like him. I don't think it matters because ultimately, the drama needs that so that the romance between Hae Soo and Wang So can sparkle (not sure if I use the right term). If I was Wang Wook, I will choose family like him and I will face the consequences of my decision but asking me to throw away my family, I know I can't do that. I think that power vs. love goes along with expectation vs. reality through all the characters.

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22 hours ago, chi13lou said:

Was there one between 949-955? Just curious because there is a theory that something happened in between because WS and YH only had their first child 6 years after they got married and that was in 955. Thanks.

 

Yes, there are eclipses happening in 949 and 955. 949 was the year of Gwangjong's coronation while 955 was the year Gwangjong's son was born. So either our drama will end in 949 or 955 or even 975.

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48 minutes ago, Hanazumi said:

 

I also like the lotus motif more than magnolia, camellia or peony. Magnolia, camellia and peony are beautiful, too. But to reiterate that not only is it associated with “the birth and/or rise of the sun, rebirth, renewal” (from http://theseasasleep.tumblr.com/) and how it “grows in the mud and rises from it to bloom in the sunlight” (from http://meetmeinmato.tumblr.com/), the fact that the lotus is white symbolizes innocence but not necessarily innocence as in virginity but the innocence and the pure soul both Hae Soo and Wang So possess as well as the lotus representing their enduring love that will rip down any barriers in between. However, I take the white lotus in a different direction and that is the white color symbolizes the white color often found in funeral or the death of someone and even though lotus means pure love but I researched somewhere and it said lotus also means the separation of love. The separation of love here does not mean that Hae Soo and Wang So will break up but together with the white color, white lotus hints at the fact that both will be separated as in one lives and one dies. I am not looking towards the ending like that but that’s my take on white lotus.

On the other hand, if anyone can verify the flower, it'll be even better to analyze it :).

 

So I posted a post about white lotus. I am gonna keep posting with the flowers thing.

 

For white camellia, it stands for the innocence, courage and the good within a person. Another meaning is the to wait and excellence. I will not talk about the innocence part anymore. Please read from the white lotus post. But Hae Soo and Wang So both have the courage and the good within them. Hae Soo pretty much saved herself from marrying the king by scarring her. Wang So has a scar but that does not deprive him of his courage. Both of them care and love others. Talking about the wait, it could represent that the journey of their love will have to endure a lot of pain and struggle and they have to wait until the “game of thrones” is over. Wang So does not want to be king but he outshines all his other brothers and that is his excellence. Hae Soo comes from the modern world and her thoughts and actions are different from the women in Goryeo’s time. Then, there comes the meaning of hope, love, perfection and gift for the guys. Again, ultimately Hae Soo and Wang So will be in love with each other and they have hope that one day they can be together. Despite their physical imperfection, their love for each other is perfect regardless of any flaws. And Hae Soo is the “gift” or as in the water myth that Barbrey mentioned on Dramabeans, that Hae Soo is the blessing of the river god to the sky or Wang So in this case.

With white magnolia, it represents the nobility, extreme beauty, magnificence, pure, perfection, benevolence.

And finally peony, it symbolizes elegance, attraction, luck, wealth. I do not think that peony has a lot of meaning for the couple SoSoo.

Overall, among the four flowers, I think if Moon Lovers is going for a sad ending, I think the white lotus is more fitting. If Moon Lovers is not going to have a sad ending, I think camellia is more fitting. I do not think peony or magnolia is fitting because the overall mood and tone up until now is going to be even more dramatic and painful. I know the original uses magnolia but I just can’t seem to picture the main couple with magnolia or peony.

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2 hours ago, ruizaio said:

 

There were some Korean fans who did some research into it and have reached the conclusion that it's peony. The post can be found here (you may need to use a Korean IP to access the site). They think it's the same flower shown in the opening logo of the show.

 

And also the flowers Hae Soo is holding in the character information page.

Not the Moutan (牡丹) kind, but the more common kind (芍药). 

Edit: I found another post where somebody actually called Minwhee and asked and was told that it's lotus. Ah well. This hairpin is 650,000 KRW, which is about $600 USD. Dang. Somebody else had found that the bracelet Wook gave Hae Soo costs about $300, too. Wow...

 

I also like the lotus motif more than magnolia, camellia or peony. Magnolia, camellia and peony are beautiful, too. But to reiterate that not only is it associated with “the birth and/or rise of the sun, rebirth, renewal” (from http://theseasasleep.tumblr.com/) and how it “grows in the mud and rises from it to bloom in the sunlight” (from http://meetmeinmato.tumblr.com/), the fact that the lotus is white symbolizes innocence but not necessarily innocence as in virginity but the innocence and the pure soul both Hae Soo and Wang So possess as well as the lotus representing their enduring love that will rip down any barriers in between. However, I take the white lotus in a different direction and that is the white color symbolizes the white color often found in funeral or the death of someone and even though lotus means pure love but I researched somewhere and it said lotus also means the separation of love. The separation of love here does not mean that Hae Soo and Wang So will break up but together with the white color, white lotus hints at the fact that both will be separated as in one lives and one dies. I am not looking towards the ending like that but that’s my take on white lotus.

On the other hand, if anyone can verify the flower, it'll be even better to analyze it :).