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6 minutes ago, fuyukoneko said:
There's 8 on archive of our own
http://archiveofourown.org/tags/달의 연인-보보경심 려 | Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo (TV)/works
Can anyone find a link to Moon Lovers - Scarlet Heart: Ryeo on asianfanfics?
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4 minutes ago, akinahana89 said:
Actually, as a long time FF.net user who has requested a few categories before in the past, I know that all it takes is one person to send in a request to FF.net for them to create a category. ^^; So it's not really huge news, sorry, BUT... the possibilities of tons of SHR fanfics IS huge news. lol. Someone had to have requested it for them to create it... which means we should be able to read at least one fanfic for it in the near future!
As for the Tumblr news, like I said, I'll try! ^^
I know. Yep, you're right. The creation of the category is not a big news but the possibility of a flood of fanfics by eclipses. LOL Imagine the madness.
4 minutes ago, valsava said:Thanks @Hanazumi will check it out.
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1 hour ago, akinahana89 said:Oh, that's interesting! I didn't know Tumblr kept track of things like that. lol. I'm glad SHR was the first Korean drama to make the list! How cool! It just goes to show how absolutely awesome it is. ^^
Yep, it is. I mean others know about it. It just hasn't made it onto one of the news website.
I apologize for the mass tagging but here is a good news for everyone.
Please spread the word about this. Fanfiction.net created a category for Moon Lovers.
https://www.fanfiction.net/tv/Moon-Lovers-Scarlet-Heart-Ryeo-달의-연인-보보경심-려/
Now, I'm dying to read other people's fics. LOL
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2 minutes ago, akinahana89 said:
Sorry, I'm not familiar with the Tumblr world. What does that mean? lol. I can try once I know more, but I can't make any promises. I knew I had a chance for success with this request because it's something positive for Soompi, but Tumblr is a different story.
Oh, I see. Well, Moon Lovers became the first Korean drama to make it on the ranking for Tumblr fandometrics: https://thefandometrics.tumblr.com/.
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@kyar7jizhenll I think you're fine and your analysis is great.
History-related post parts 1 - 4 below if you guys want to read them, if not keep on reading for part 5.
Parts 1 - 3 / Page 995History-related post part 5.
Jeongjong (Yo’s reign name) probably meant forever. I’m guessing it suits his character because he only has eyes for the throne and wants to imprint his name in history. In the drama, the way that Yo obeyed his mother’s desire for the throne is probably a representation of his reign name – he wants to get something and makes him known.
Gwangjong (So’s reign name) mirrors the many changes and reforms he set out. All those new changes were, in my opinion, brand new and unorthodox at the time but they were undoubtedly great changes and the showcased the great mindset So had. If I am correct, even though Jeongjong became King in history, he also didn’t have a strong support or backing whereas So had a strong support and backing. So’s marriage to Yeon Hwa in history was also undoubtedly most likely for political reasons as Wook’s family was the influential Hwangju family at the time. So yes, So’s marriage to Yeon Hwa was for political means. Even her queen’s name, Daemok, means a big tree or passage which represents her as the strong support to pave the way for So to become the king. So according to history, Wook probably supported So for the throne. I think they did have bromance in history.
The time that So as Gwangjong purged his subjects were ruthless but still, he had good reasons for it but probably he didn’t need to be ruthless. Buddhism shined during his time too. It is also said that in history, after So’s son (king Gyeongjong) died. It was Daejong’s line of descendants that continued Goryeo.
As to how the drama will portray So’s marriage to Yeon Hwa, we’ll just have to wait for more episodes. But guys, I at least feel better that So and Wook were good brothers in history. But I’m loving the evil Wook and the sailing ship of SoSoo. Not that I care about romance (I like the game of thrones more) but everything’s going great.
There wasn't much about Ahnjong or Baek Ah. Although, his posthumous title Ahnjong could also mirror his wish for freedom.
I got the information from Naver. I know no Korean.
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10 hours ago, sunshinefate said:I even hope that it will reach 1500++ by the end of this drama so that no haters will be able to attack this drama lol
How I hope this drama will be aired in my country. Not in the ONETVASIA I mean, but in the national broadcasting tv.
@sunshinefate If that's the case, we need to let the cast and production team know of this thread. LOL
9 hours ago, q4q4 said:4 more days till the long awaited So-Soo romantic scenes! For the meantime, I've been rewatching the episodes, the BTS, interviews, Cosmo shoot videos, and the trailer and I wanted to point out one thing. I'm not sure if this has been pointed out as I just started lurking this forum around Page 760 but the scene where Soo was sitting in a luxurious room looking sad and depressed - I feel like that might have something to do with her losing something special. Maybe a baby? I know people have been drawing similarities to the original and maybe MLSHR would follow the miscarriage route as well?
So-Soo marry in secret, multiple nights of baby making time ;), Wook or Won do something despicable causing Soo to loose the baby hence the scene ? Thoughts?
PS: if it goes down this route - it could also be a catalyst to So transforming into the super dark and evil looking Gwangjoong?
@q4q4 There is a theory that Hae Soo was holding a blood-written letter in her hands. According to the original, it's supposed to be a letter from Chaeryung delivered to her after she lost her baby and chaos ensued. Notice that her room is luxurious and everything around her, she could be So's concubine without an official title at this time.
9 hours ago, sunshinefate said:They better not do anything that will anger our Gwang Jong lol. He really loves his brothers though. Poor him
@sunshinefate @SizzlerZApparently, even if they don't do anything to the brothers, Hae Soo is still there. Touching her will make him go mad!!! I hope the reason is justified if he turns cruel.
9 hours ago, violet90 said:if its true and because of WW or YH or Won did actually make HS miscarriage and the saddest part is in BBJX RX can't ever again pregnant because of the miscarriage and also her body is really weak...
IF MLSHR follow that path not even HS can save all those people.. this one will make WS gone mad... hurting the woman he love and killed his child would make any man angry but WS??? it will be a hell for whoever cause that..
i totally can see why WS will be a cruel person if the writer follow this path...
@violet90 According to the original, the 9th prince (Won in the drama) and 8th prince's wife (possible Yeon Hwa in the drama or Wook) had a hand in the miscarriage of Ruoxi (Hae Soo in the drama). Ultimately, the original revealed that Ruoxi (Hae Soo in the drama) was indirectly the one causing her own miscarriage due to her warning to the 8th prince and the 8th prince caused the 13th prince (Baek Ah in the drama) to be imprisoned and that drove 4th prince (So) to aim for the throne to release him. I don't know how Moon Lovers will lead us to this part. We will have to wait.
@ruizaio If Hae Soo wasn't involved in the ship, I would totally SHIP 3 x 4 x 8!!!
Thanks for the MV!
@Rose34@sunshinefate Going back to those close-up scenes, I really feel that we could have seen a lot of the beautiful sets in the background. I especially love the sets and the props. Hopefully, the future 7 episodes will show us more. The production team chose beautiful filming sets, though.
@meahri_1 We're hoping for 1.6 billion before episode 14 airs
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5 hours ago, valsava said:@Adnana I'm not frustrated and like that the writer took a creative approach, I think this is what frustrated the Knetz about the whole thing and viewed it in a negative way.. I'm not on this wishful end hoping the next or the last episodes of this drama be identical I want the writer to keep heading in the same direction as the pass episodes being different from the original..
@valsava I agree with you. I think international fans are more optimistic than Korean audience, no offense to anyone who's Korean out there but the ratings for domestic and abroad show that.
3 hours ago, akinahana89 said:@AuroraRain I asked the Soompi news staff if they could cover the fact that Joon Gi posted your FMV on his Instagram aaaaand.... take a look, chingu! You're Soompi famous now!
@akinahana89 Can you also let the soompi news staff know about Moon Lovers making it onto Tumblr fandometrics and it's the first Kdrama to do so?
2 hours ago, ratgirlina said:oh btw, anyone here want to write an open letter to LJK from soompi thread? we can post it up his instagram, tag with our accounts. just letting him know we love his work in scarlet heart.
@ratgirlina @sunshinefate @sharreb I actually tweeted a picture about ML's soompi thread to LJG. Not sure if he'll notice. Instagram just has way too many comments.
@tentennn I know right. It's really good that Hae Soo went back to the Goryeo's period. I like the Joseon's costumes but I must admit Goryeo's period did have beautiful costumes. Or maybe it's because LJG and KHN and all the other princes rock their outfits. lol
Now, I will be working on a new Moon Lovers - Scarlet Heart: Ryeo history-related post. I will post it up once I'm done with it.
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So (Gwangjong) will ascend the throne at the age of 24 and rules for 26 years. Yo's reign (Jeongjong) lasts 4 years. Whoever said his reign is 3, I'm sorry but there will be even more pain for SoSoo and evilness from Wook.
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History-related post again!
If no one has any ideas of what I'm talking about, go to the link below or find my post on page 995.
My three history posts about Moon Lovers!
Moo: Similarity to the drama is that he's a nice guy. He doesn't want the throne but he was destined to become the ruler. His reign is short-lived. He loves his brother. He cares for others.
Yo: Similarity to the drama is Yo was always after the throne and had the ability to govern though still lacking. Also, Yo's fighting scene at the end of episode 13 mirrors his character - he has the ability but lacks something to make it fully work as evident in his ability to fight the soldiers but then lose to So. His expression when he runs away to the cliff mirrors that.
So: Similarity to the drama is So went after the throne and was a very good ruler. So beats Yo in the fight scene of episode 13 and stops Wook from shooting with the arrow and Jung from fighting Yo - it mirrors his full ability. His expression while on the horse chasing after Yo was one with, I think, a combination of understanding and confidence, of capability. So also told Wook to not hunt Yo as an animal when he prepares to shoot. That mirrors the fact that according to history, he witnessed the game of thrones and he wanted to prevent that. He wanted to solidify the king's power and kept the nation.
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- Someone already said this but Wook's preparation to shoot Yo with arrow shows his calculative, cunning side. Wook's expression while on the horse chasing after Yo was like a sly fox, deadly.
- When Yo was fighting the soldiers for his life in episode 13, So and Wook were standing together. I could really picture them working together in history. Maybe, Wook was really a man behind So. So shined in history as Gwangjong for all that he accomplished but Wook also could potentially have been the backing for So.
It is stated in history that before any nobles or powerful clans could revolt against Gwangjong, Gwangjong eliminated them first. He was able to control just like how he stopped Wook from shooting Yo and Jung from fighting Yo. He knew them. It also led me to assume that the other princes were supporting Gwangjong and Wook was probably one of them or a strong backer. Remember that Wook was the first one to say manse to Crown Prince Moo. There's no account of him going against Gwangjong so he most likely did a lot of backing (not saying that he did a lot of good things in history or evil things) for So in history. I did mention Wook's clan was unharmed (So married Yeon Hwa).
Maybe I am over-analyzing but I think I will analyze more scenes and compare them with the history. If anyone's interested, let me know because I don't want to take away the attention from the SoSoo ship and romance. I feel like I am becoming a history geek on Moon Lovers.
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@sunshinefate@special_bee Okay, another history post. LOL
Off topic: I love history but I'm not a history major.
In history, Hyejong (Crown Prince Moo) was a great man in battles but in politics, he was soft (or sybaritic, spineless,...something like that). So I assumed that he wasn't able to obtain the respect and trust from his brothers and subjects. So maybe Crown Prince Moo was selected as the crown prince because either he was the eldest surviving son or King Taejo felt that he could be trusted due to Crown Prince Moo's involvement in many battles. But most likely, he only had talents for battles, not politics and he did not have a powerful backing in-law family and possibly no one liked his political sense. He was indecisive and was not supported by a lot of people except one person (I don't know his name in English). When King Taejo died, he became the King. I think he did love his brothers because he didn't do anything when Wang Gyu (one of the royal family's relative) informed him of the conspiracies led by So and Yo. After knowing that Crown Prince Moo (Hyejong) didn't want to do anything to stop the potential revolt that could harm his life, Wang Gyu went and supported Yo and So. Yo and So had the support from their mother's family and their subjects held various important posts in the empire, they had a lot of influence. I assume that Hyejong probably knew about his weakness so that's why he didn't do anything even if it would harm his life. And it did mention that princes conspired to take the thrones, not just Yo and So. So maybe other princes did too like Wook, Jung, Won, Eun, Baek Ah,... We don't know who. Then he died of disease but it was also rumored that Yo and So poisoned him.
So guys, you see So and Yo fighting on-screen but perhaps they were really good brothers.
Next came Yo's reign as Jeongjong, he attempted to reduce the power of the nobles but wasn't successful (Gwangjong - So was able to do that). Basically, he did attempt to solidify the king's power and followed his father's 10 instructions but I think he did not have the ability as So. There was no knowledge of any conspiracies or revolts against him so he was probably a better king than Moo but just not as good as So. Both Moo and Yo did have sons but their sons might have died young or they were too young to rule or people didn't support them.
Then So ascended the throne as Gwangjong. He was a good king except during the later part of his reign, he did kill those who wanted to rebel (but it was for a good reason). He learned how to govern and reformed the nation. He kept the nation together after all the "game of thrones". He sincerely cared for the nation. The ranking is like this: So > Yo > Moo. King Taejo unified the three kingdoms and founded Goryeo. It was So who rebuilt and strengthened the foundation so that Seongjong (Wook's son) and Hyeonjong (Wook's maternal grandson and Baek Ah's child) led the nation through the conflicts with the Khitan. One thing I want to note is So did weaken the nobles' power but it seems to me that Wook's clan was still powerful or respected (I did mention that So married Wook's daughter, became in-laws and then the descendants after So's son reign had Wook's bloodline). Maybe Wook did have a calculative, cunning, genius nature to him or something. Also, I did mention that princes went after Moo for the throne so he could be one of those princes, too. Thus, that's probably why we see the game of thrones on screen and the basis for the characterization of Moo, Yo, So and Wook.
You can read more about Gwangjong here and what he did: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwangjong_of_Goryeo
And then there's Yeon Hwa (Queen Daemok). As you guys already know that Gwangjong has two wives - Queen Daemok and Moo's daughter. I assume Yeon Hwa (Queen Daemok) was a woman of virtue or intelligence because like I said, Gwangjong didn't marry anyone else but her and made her the queen (maybe it was for political reason or he learned the lesson from having seen his Father's many wives). So guys, hate her all you want and it's true if she was a man, she should and would be on the throne. So this is also another basis for her ambitious character.
I read on DramaBeans and someone researched information did mention that Gwangjong almost killed his son - king Gyeongjong. Historically, he wanted to spend time with the people than governing and living in the palace. So, I'm not saying that he was a bad king but maybe he didn't live up to So's expectations. Gyeongjong's queens were Wook's daughters and the one who succeeded him was Wook's son. So probably Wook was a good man in politics. Although the one who raised Wook's children was Queen Hwangbo. Wook's wife died early too (Lady Hae in the drama). King Seongjong (Wook's son) was 9 when Wook died in the 20th year of Gwangjong's reign. Remember in the drama before So came in, queen Hwangbo was about to cover the King with his royal robe. It showed that she was knowledgeable.
Back to So and Wook:
So married Wook's sister (Yeon Hwa - Queen Daemok). Then So's son (King Gyeongjong) married Wook's two daughters (Queen Heonae and Queen Heonjung). Wook's son (King Seongjong) married So's daughter (Queen Moondeok). When it came to Hyeonjong (the illegitimate son between Queen Heonjung and Baek Ah), he married Seongjong's daughters. All in all, if So wasn't the king, probably Wook or Baek Ah could have ascended the throne in Goryeo's history as their descendants were good rulers.
I also quoted my two previous historical posts so you guys won't get lost when reading this post.
Quote4 hours ago, Hanazumi said:I agree. I think in history, regardless of whether Wook was a bad guy or not or a coward, he gave birth to a son (King Seongjong) who took the nation through the 1st Goryeo-Khitan conflict, a daughter (Queen Heonae - Empress Chunchu) who served as a regent for her son (King Mokjong), and a daughter (Queen Heonjung) gave birth a son (King Hyeonjong - illigimate child with Baek Ah) who took the nation through the 2nd & 3rd Goryeo-Khitan conflicts. He died in the 20th year of Gwangjong's reign. So I think he definitely was a man of talents, just not sure about his character. He could be a great man or an evil man (like in the drama). LJG and his character are beyond words to describe. I'm a fan of his for a long time. But I have to admit Wook's character intrigued me and I don't think anyone can portray Wook like KHN. That role was for him even if LJG is beyond outstanding. In addition, someone mentioned that Wang So's reign kept the nation together but his line ended. Goryeo continued with the descendants of Wook and Baek Ah. Both wanted freedom in different ways. Wook wanted power and Baek Ah wanted to be free. I did mention that So's name meant the sun on the edge and Wook's name meant the rising sun. It really fit So's reign and Wook's posthumous honor as a king.
4 hours ago, Hanazumi said:Also, some more historical information if anyone's interested. According to history, it was rumored that Yo and So worked together to get the throne from Moo. So and Wook became in laws (Wook's sister married So and Wook's children married So's children). And for So to marry Wook's sister in history, that added to my assumption that he was probably a powerful man or even respectable or his clan was powerful. Also, the fact that after So's son died, it was Wook's son who became king, not the son of any other princes. And when Mokjong (Wook's maternal grandson died), it was Baek Ah's illegitimate son with Queen Heonjung (Wook's 2nd daughter) who became king. The line of continuation had to have Wook's bloodline in there.
So, it's too bad that there's no bromance between So and Wook in the drama but perhaps, they did have bromance in history.
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@sunshinefate@special_bee Heheheh...I will post about historical information every once in a while after synthesizing more information and watching the future episodes.
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3 minutes ago, sunshinefate said:
Chingu, the one who excels in history is @hanazumi not me lol. I just read the gwangjong's history and his wives and also his descendants not the other princes like @hanazumi read. Lol, we must be a bad citizen who don't know much about our country's history
from what I see, So and Wook will not be joining forces as the history recorded about their bromance. But, we don't know if they decide to make them join forces just to destroy each other. Looking forward to the development of the battle of the throne.
I wonder why I could not mention others even I already used @ in the front of their names? Can someone enlighten me about this? I used to be able mention someone in blue box like you all do.
@special_bee sunshinefate wants to mention you. Just type in @ and then the name. Then like possible usernames should appear and select it. That's what I do.
Yes, I don't think So and Wook will join forces. But then if Wang Yo harms Hae Soo, there's a 50% that they will join forces even if So marries Yeon Hwa. That, we have to wait to see. I could be wrong or right.
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8 minutes ago, special_bee said:
@sunshinefate You really are excel in history don't you, if you have any references about it, please do share with me
btw i began to dig the korean history after watching Queen Seondeok, and that's make me a saeguk fans LOL, but as for my own country history, i don't even give a slightest interest about it. I am so done LOL
Do you mean me or @sunshinefate? She was quoting me so I was responding to her. I read sources from the Vietnamese wikipedia and English wikipedia and used my history experience to bring everything together or synthesize. I think synthesize is the better word in this case. I don't know Korean so I can't read from the Korean wikipedia. Plus, the history book about Goryeo is in Korean. But I may write a long post about possible stuffs in history during this time between So and Wook later on and combine what I've written above, too. If anyone's interested, please let me know.
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1 hour ago, Hanazumi said:
I agree. I think in history, regardless of whether Wook was a bad guy or not or a coward, he gave birth to a son (King Seongjong) who took the nation through the 1st Goryeo-Khitan conflict, a daughter (Queen Heonae - Empress Chunchu) who served as a regent for her son (King Mokjong), and a daughter (Queen Heonjung) gave birth a son (King Hyeonjong - illigimate child with Baek Ah) who took the nation through the 2nd & 3rd Goryeo-Khitan conflicts. He died in the 20th year of Gwangjong's reign. So I think he definitely was a man of talents, just not sure about his character. He could be a great man or an evil man (like in the drama). LJG and his character are beyond words to describe. I'm a fan of his for a long time. But I have to admit Wook's character intrigued me and I don't think anyone can portray Wook like KHN. That role was for him even if LJG is beyond outstanding. In addition, someone mentioned that Wang So's reign kept the nation together but his line ended. Goryeo continued with the descendants of Wook and Baek Ah. Both wanted freedom in different ways. Wook wanted power and Baek Ah wanted to be free. I did mention that So's name meant the sun on the edge and Wook's name meant the rising sun. It really fit So's reign and Wook's posthumous honor as a king.
@special_bee@sunshinefate Also, some more historical information if anyone's interested. According to history, it was rumored that Yo and So worked together to get the throne from Moo. So and Wook became in laws (Wook's sister married So and Wook's children married So's children). And for So to marry Wook's sister in history, that added to my assumption that he was probably a powerful man or even respectable or his clan was powerful. Also, the fact that after So's son died, it was Wook's son who became king, not the son of any other princes. And when Mokjong (Wook's maternal grandson died), it was Baek Ah's illegitimate son with Queen Heonjung (Wook's 2nd daughter) who became king. The line of continuation had to have Wook's bloodline in there.
So, it's too bad that there's no bromance between So and Wook in the drama but perhaps, they did have bromance in history.
1 hour ago, sunshinefate said:I do feel stressed everytime I open my PC or laptop to continue my final project. I still have to revise my mistakes on the definition of variables. Thank God I found this drama to release my stress. Everytime I wake up in the morning, I always think about my final dissertation LOL.
Woaaa, chingu, you are so daebak in history. I actually find his character to be really talented. The only flaws are just because he blamed wang so for what yeon hwa did in the drama. Besides that, actually I find him really gentle and smart and most importantly husband material lol. It's just wangso being so swoony that I can't even look at wook in the same way. The writer must have been doing deep researches about wangwook and his descendants that make him/her choose wang wook to be the intelligent character for the 8th prince like in the c-version.
Thank you. I know. I actually have to applaud the writer for all her hard work researching about Korean history and the symbolism through the water,...-
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20 minutes ago, special_bee said:
@Hanazumi that's what i also thought about WW, he'll get nothing LOL. Actually his concern for his family safety is a good thing, but his slyness makes me sneered at him. Maybe because i'm too hooked on this drama, that most of the times, i believe this is what happen in the history LOL
17 minutes ago, sunshinefate said:Kang ha neul is that great to portray such a layered character. He makes us loathe wang wook but sympathize him at the same time because he did it for his family.
I agree. I think in history, regardless of whether Wook was a bad guy or not or a coward, he gave birth to a son (King Seongjong) who took the nation through the 1st Goryeo-Khitan conflict, a daughter (Queen Heonae - Empress Chunchu) who served as a regent for her son (King Mokjong), and a daughter (Queen Heonjung) gave birth a son (King Hyeonjong - illigimate child with Baek Ah) who took the nation through the 2nd & 3rd Goryeo-Khitan conflicts. He died in the 20th year of Gwangjong's reign. So I think he definitely was a man of talents, just not sure about his character. He could be a great man or an evil man (like in the drama). LJG and his character are beyond words to describe. I'm a fan of his for a long time. But I have to admit Wook's character intrigued me and I don't think anyone can portray Wook like KHN. That role was for him even if LJG is beyond outstanding. In addition, someone mentioned that Wang So's reign kept the nation together but his line ended. Goryeo continued with the descendants of Wook and Baek Ah. Both wanted freedom in different ways. Wook wanted power and Baek Ah wanted to be free. I did mention that So's name meant the sun on the edge and Wook's name meant the rising sun. It really fit So's reign and Wook's posthumous honor as a king.
@qwenli Yes, I know they have the same official names.
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3 minutes ago, special_bee said:
@Hanazumi Really? That's a lot of differences, now i don't know if can believe wiki anymore LOL
That's part of the creative license the drama production team has taken. Things like Crown Prince becoming Hyejong (2nd ruler), Wang Yo becoming Jeongjong (3rd ruler) and Wang So becoming (Gwangjong) are kept as they are in history. That is also another reason why I don't think Wang Wook will die because if he dies, history is somewhat changed and there will be no Seongjong. I'm sure at the end of the drama, he will not get anything - no throne, no Hae Soo. But the order of the princes were changed a bit as I mentioned below and Wang Won will die though - killed by Gwangjong. As for Wang Jung, he will becoming Vice King but I don't know if the drama will get there. For Wang Eun, I don't have any information on that except he was bestowed a title. Baek Ah will live, too but I don't know about Woo Hee.
15 minutes ago, Hanazumi said:I went ahead and changed it myself. So in history, Wang Jung (14th prince in the drama) is the 5th prince, Wang Wook (8th prince in the drama) is the 6th or 7th prince, and Baek Ah (13th prince in the drama) is the 8th prince.
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17 minutes ago, special_bee said:
@Hanazumi if i'm not wrong, BA have another name that is WW, that's why i think, the 1st wiki page is having a misleading info, and as now they knew the right thing, the edited the page.
@qwenli@special_bee I went ahead and changed it myself. So in history, Wang Jung (14th prince in the drama) is the 5th prince, Wang Wook (8th prince in the drama) is the 6th or 7th prince, and Baek Ah (13th prince in the drama) is the 8th prince.
14 minutes ago, minekas said:Chingus, could you please post the links of the two special episodes aired on 27 August and 14th September. Thanks
I've been looking for them, too. I heard it's available but I don't know Korean so I can't find them.
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10 more pages and this thread will reach 1000 pages. Youku views will be approaching 1.5 billion so we can hope for 1.6 billion views by the end of this week or until Moon Lovers episode 14.
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13 minutes ago, MAROSA_JIN said:
[Drama Review] 'Scarlet Heart: Ryeo' - Episode 13
By eric_r_wirsingThis particular episode was incredibly well-crafted. If I pitched a fit about the last one, this installment more than made up for it. Everything was stylistically perfect: the weapons, the armor, everything. Not only that, but the intrigue surrounding the King's death was extremely tense and gave more purpose to Hae Soo, making her much less a character that things happen to and more a prime mover. That's a very good thing; this modern woman has been pretty passive so far.
Lee Jun Ki really reached deep inside himself and pulled out a multi-layered performance. In particular, his facial expressions were just golden, as he shifted from arrogance when he had Prince Yo on the rocks to shock when Yo fought him and Soinstinctively killed him and to grief when recounting the events to Hae Soo. This lends a lot more dimension to our 4th Prince. I still don't see him with Hae Soo, though, unless something drastically changes. Yeah, I know what the promo material said.--------------skipped------------
And this show has left me with a few questions. What happened to Queen Yoo's hair? It's gone completely white! Was her lustrous black hair a wig or...? And does the King know about Hae Soo's time-traveling? Because he mentioned that she was like the court astrologer -- Choi, her fellow time traveler -- but qualified it by saying that's because she could see the future. But this episode, as he lay dying, he told her: "The fate of Goryeo Empire rests on your shoulders. This is probably the reason you are here." That makes it sound like he does know. But whatever he knew died with him.
As I said, they did an excellent job this time around. IU was raving about the 12th episode, but I'm a particular fan of this one. They put all the ingredients for a successful show into the pot and added just the right amount of spice. More episodes like this one and I'll be a happy camper.http://www.allkpop.com/article/2016/10/drama-review-scarlet-heart-ryeo-episode-13
I think when King Taejo said that line to Hae Soo that the fate of Goryeo rests on her shoulder and it's the reason she's here is because if she was to tell Wook the King's condition, Wook or Yo may become the 2nd ruler instead. Yeon Hwa may not become queen and the other brothers will die. So Hae Soo's decision to be loyal to the King or obey his command keeps history as it is instead of changing it (like have Yo or Wook as the second ruler).
@yuhotarubi It took me several hours to catch up to the latest page and to try to backread pages that I did not read (I didn't participate in the forum until a couple days ago). This drama is mad lol.
@40somethingahjumma I love your insight!!!
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@bebebisous33@meahri_1 As much as I want the bad guys to receive punishment but I don't think Wook will be killed. If he's killed, history will not have Seongjong of Goryeo (the ruler during the first Goryeo-Khitan conflict). Even if the drama has taken creative license to the story, they can't kill Wook because they can't change history too much. They can change that he's the 8th prince when in history, he's the 5th,6th or 7th prince. He's different from the 8th prince in the original. The 8th prince in the original wasn't honored with a title of the emperor since his son and none of his descendants became the emperor. For Wook, even if he's pure evil in the drama, his son did become the king and his daughter gave birth a king (Baek Ah's illegitimate son - King Hyeonjong - ruler during the second and third Goryeo-Khitan conflicts). His wife, Lady Hae, was based on his real wife in history. Although in the drama, they have no children. I think the production team won't kill him off. He just won't get anything at the end.
BUT SERIOUSLY, who went and edit the wiki page? Last time I checked it, he was the 5th,6th or 7th son or so. Baek Ah was the 8th prince in history or so but now on wiki, he's the 13th prince. I apologize for my ranting!
6 hours ago, solelylurking said:Jung is pretty ok for a man. He's gonna be a successful war general and later King anyway. Aaanndd he's good looking. Not a bad catch @Yippeuni
He will be a Vice King under his brother's reign.
4 hours ago, qwenli said:@chickenchopflipflop I went to see the ws ww fight scene again and I must say if Kan really used a double, I can't tell at all.
the fight scene was filmed primarily in three angles. One is the closer shot that can see both their faces, then a further full body shot and then another aerial shot.
through it all, we call see Lee joon gi's face clearly but for the aerial shots, Khn face is not shown, so it is highly probable that there was a double but I am not sure of that. I noticed in the further shot, Lee joon gi used his famous Tae Kwon Do kick again. He also used this in the final fight scenes with Wang yo at the cliff.
while rewatching the fight scenes, I begin to understand how tedious it must have been to fillm them. They probably took a whole day to do one scene because they had to rehearse first then film from different angles.
anyway, Lee joon gi never fail to amaze me by being so pretty but yet such a good fighter
@sunshinefate @chickenchopflipflop I think it's understandable if KHN used a double but I have to admit, LJG did say that KHN did really well for that scene. So as long as it turns out great, it's really good already and no injuries, too. That's why LJG is love (KHN is love too) but LJG is just beyond that. Even KHN stalked LJG's phone number before filming for Moon Lovers. hahahahahah... And yes, kudos to all the rehearsals because they have to stand in line, in the positions and even climb on the rooftop. LOL
1 hour ago, fuyukoneko said:I meant that since WS has been shown to be different than his father, he should make different choices and if there is a tragic ending, it'll be for a different reason. I think the king and Lady Oh's relationship and ending was suppose to mirror Ruoxi's and the 4th's tragic storyline.
To add to that, it probably also mirrors the tragic ending between the 8th prince in the original and his wife. She died by hanging himself and got a divorce from him (no title as his wife at the end).
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6 minutes ago, valsava said:
@ratgirlina If I'm not mistaken the CP title goes to WS because the CP had no sons so whomever his daughter marries would be in line for the next king. I learned this in Queen Seonduk. When Bidam thought he would get the throne if he married her but she pass the throne over to her nephew..So in this case I think WW is there making demands and threats.. I'm just speculating here..
I think it's different here because even if the CP has no sons. He has younger brothers that can still produce an heir to the throne.
10 minutes ago, enigmatic_zephy said:Is the new editing team also out of their mind?
Old was is definitely..
If you cut Jung-HS scene, how is audience supposed to figure out Jung's changing feeelings for HS and hence the twist their story will take later on.. Again people will feel confused with what happened..
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The point that this serial is such a mess in ALL DEPARTMENTS.. just goes on to prove how amazing and powerful the novel / story is... that despite such a poorly made drama, it is still able to draw people in. The only good thing abt this drama production are the actors...
Personally I am not irritated by any of the princes scene..even 10th (even though it feels to be happening in some other world of its own)..
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And again, i can bet..the power of this story is such.. whoever would have played the princes would have benefited in terms of popularity ( quite like hana yori dango)... Kudos to the author of the novel..
And serious introspection time required by the Drama production staff.. barring the stylists and costume designers and set designers.. those guys did their job
And especially the way the author brings everything together at the end as a tragedy. It leaves even more impact.
5 minutes ago, qwenli said:Yes and he saw something he like in Yeon Hwa and tried fervently to woo her. This guy knows what he wants and goes for it
I the scene between him n yeonhwa, there is chemistry between the two.
He knows what makes a queen a queen. LOL
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4 hours ago, wackeemarie said:
SO and WOOK: Brothers born in the same year, could have been the best allies but threaded different paths
At least in history, they were probably on good terms and allies too. But in this drama, it's a no no. Power vs. Love. Let the fight continues!
4 hours ago, cosmogirl77 said:OK, I have to admit this. I love the 3rd Prince. The character is consistent throughout. He wanted the throne from first and he did what he could to get it. He rocks the eyeliner so well that even women can't compete. After being stabbed and thrown off a cliff, he comes back looking like Lion King.
I know. I can never see Hong Jong Hyun the same way now after seeing his eyeliner.
I think his acting really improved and he doesn't seem stiff that much anymore or this role just fits him.
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@ratgirlina @valsava @kyar7jizhenllI think it's just a matter of the translation or maybe the lines of the character. But Wook could be communicating with the CP the whole time and then at the last minute send the letter to inform of the revolt. We will never know. lol It's just an assumption. But yes, they probably used the shortcut.
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22 minutes ago, valsava said:
My thought is on cunning YH claiming she loves So for a long time, Her and WW gets me how the confuses love and greed at the same time..
She does have feelings for him but I agree with you. I don't think it can be called love. I don't know how to describe it but she does like him in a positive way yet she's too ambitious. She wants the power.
30 minutes ago, ratgirlina said:just watched the subbed version.
king told soo if someone approached her asking for his condition, she should tell them the king just need more tea. if someone approached her and ask her if the king is dead, that person was after the throne.
so, didn't ask her anything. he was not after the throne, he was only after her heart. therefore she told him everything.
when soo approached so next to the pond. i love that she just sat next to him. not keeping a distance. lovely scene
The King is wise until the end when he told Soo that whoever asked about him is going after the throne. Very wise indeed. But he's not wise in love.
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15 minutes ago, Hanazumi said:
Wook does become king but he just never sits on the throne. In this drama, I think it hurts a lot that you go after something but you will never get your hand on it. That's gonna happen to Wook. He wants the throne, the seat that will give him the power and most likely Hae Soo, also. But he never gets to sit on the throne because of many factors - So marries his niece and then Yeon Hwa, Soo turns to So now,... I think from now until the end, he's getting darker and he will reap what he sows. Now this reminds me of the Mirror of Erised in Harry Potter. He sees what he desires the most but will never have it. While So is like Harry Potter at the end of book 1. He doesn't want the throne but the throne belongs to him just like how Harry doesn't want the stone but the stone appears in his pocket.
To add to that, Yeon Hwa told the King when visiting his chamber in episode 13 that she will make Goryeo hers. For sure, she will become the queen and Goryeo is indeed hers. But then, the king of Goryeo will be So (Gwangjong) and she does not have his heart or pay attention to her. In a way, she does make the kingdom hers but she also loses the kingdom. Just like her brother going after the throne and can totally get on the throne but it doesn't belong to him. I don't know if it makes sense to you guys. I know they're brothers and sisters. But they can totally be husband-wife, too. Maybe I'm having hallucinations after watching Empire of Lust. LOL
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btw i began to dig the korean history after watching Queen Seondeok, and that's make me a saeguk fans LOL, but as for my own country history, i don't even give a slightest interest about it. I am so done LOL
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