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19 hours ago, foxandstone said:
TMOPB is on Netflix! And they used FengJiu and DongHua as the cover photo! This just made my day
Is it me or has the drama disappeared from Netflix? I can't find it. I tried searching for it and then following links from other webpages but it's just not there for me
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20 hours ago, El Lieu said:
Can anyone tell me how long from when she killed him to when XF resurrect...and to when they met again when she turned herself into a bunny? After the "fake" marriage he told her he spent many years trying to hate her but he failed...
How long was that?
If I recall correctly, Jin Mi was unconscious for 6 months after she killed Xu Feng. Her finding out about his innocence and then tyring to resurrect him probably took a few weeks, a few months at most. Although in the book I think they say it took something like 3 years before Xu Feng came back to life. The drama doesn't seem to have followed suit on that timeline. Or at least if it did, it didn't come across that way.
Then the timeline starts to get iffy and confusing.
When Run Yu locks Jin Mi up so that she can recover from her wounds, it is implied that quite a bit of time has passed because how else would there be a book recounting Xu Feng's many achievements ? All his feats would have to have taken place over at least a year, if not more.
Then the drama lost me and I have no idea how much time is supposed to have passed. It certainly never feels like years have passed so the drama really failed to convey the passage of time during the Demon Realm portion (the same can be said of the time Jin Mi spends as Xu Feng's reading assistant at the beginning of the drama too. It certainly doesn't feel as if a full century has passed). So I just went with the flow and tried not to be bothered by the vagueness of the timeline.
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1 hour ago, El Lieu said:
Rewatching….in episode 15..the scene XF finds out that she is water god's daughter and engaged to his brother...
He said handing her the hairpin....he says when give something he would not take back and from her it wasn't just the hairpin he lost from her.....does it mean he lost his love for her...
XF said to her if she returns the hairpin then she should return "other stuff" to him. If she doesn't return the hairpin then don't return anything.
Is he asking that she return his love for her with the return of the hairpin? This kind sounds should be opposite though.
She should keep hairpin and return her love for him...so she ends up keeping hairpin (thinking he take back the lingui power)...but to him it means he had a chance for her to return his feelings?
Is it a pun?
Yes, he does mean that he has lost his heart to her and that he will only take the feather back if Jin Mi doesn't accept or return his feelings. Of course, Jin Mi thinks that he's talking about all the spiritual energy she mooched off him and thus doesn't want to give the hairpin back. So Xu Feng believes she knows about his feelings and is willing to give her heart in return. He spends 2/3 of the drama believing she's in love with him and it's one of the reasons he pushes for their romance so much. Finding out she never loved him (although the viewer knows she did actually fall in love with him in the mortal realm, before Run Yu repaired the pill) hurts him more than her actually killing him. He admits to this in the Demon Realm when he gives her petal back to her.
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6 hours ago, Nudafu said:
I can't say I'm convinced Xu Feng was fighting for Jin Mi in battle. He accidentally and tragically killed her, but I don't think that knight had his lady's token on his arm on the eve of battle. His love for her may've started to surface, but rage and revenge kept a lid on things. This is what makes what he did in the end truly tragic I believe.
That's very open to interpretation and depends on the viewer's sensibilities. My personal take on it is that he just didn't have enough time to fully process everything. It literally just happened overnight, which is the blink of an eye for immortals. So I agree that his feelings were all mixed together. The only clear thought he had was his undying love for her. The rest (rage etc...) that you mention is still very much present.
Loving disagreeing and discussing with you
This drama is so rich and open to interpretation. It's a pleasure to read all the different takes and thoughts on it.
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6 hours ago, Nudafu said:
The fact that Jin Mi needed Xu Feng to verbally admit that he loved her points at her doubt that it is true. It may be true in Xu Feng's head, but he shouldn't have expected Jin Mi to read his mind. Fair enough if Xu Feng felt Jin Mi did not need to know. But I think there is a difference between communicating your feelings in the moment versus the necessity to do so until it is too late - that road leads to regret.
But that's the beauty of the character: he's imperfect and does make mistakes, even tragic ones which led to his endless regrets during the time she was lost to him. Remember that he's actually super awkward at romantic love and basically knew nothing of it before meeting Jin Mi. I don't think he believed that Jin Mi didn't need to hear those words. I read it as him being so paralyzed by the guilt (after finding out all that she had secretly done for him) and shock (the stone test and bride reveal left him stunned and almost bereft) he was feeling that he just couldn't express himself out loud to another person. I mean, we're talking about a proud man who loves a woman so deeply that he's actually ready to forgive her for killing him in the most back-handed way. It's one thing to realize nothing will ever stop you from wanting and loving her and quite another to articulate those thoughts on the spot.
Between his clear realization, his guilt and shame and the fraught situation, it's no wonder bird boy didn't handle things as well as he could have. Both Jin Mi and Xu Feng are guilty of doing wrong by the other and both also have justification for their grudges and/or wishes. By this point their relationship is so messed up and stained by mistakes and sacrifices that it would take much more than a simple conversation to make everything right. Jin Mi's death "spared" them the decades or centuries it would have taken for them to let go of everything and fully enjoy their wedded bliss. Death has that funny way of cutting through all the b*#lsh#t and going straight to the bare bones of a matter. Only then are you able to realize that the only thing that really matters is the love you have for each other. Could they have suffered less had they made other decisions ? Yes. Could they actually have made those other decisions, considering their characters? Not so certain.
6 hours ago, Nudafu said:Why does it take until the Heart Examining Stone to finally change his mind?
I think it's a bit like what happened in the cave: he knew that he still desired her before that scene but seeing the material manifestation of the depth of his affection (through the phoenix feather) in spite of everything she had done really shocked him and brought him out of passive-aggressive stance when it came to her visits to the Demon Realm. He's a man after all. He needs to be knocked over the head (figuratively for once) to be able to get a move on and decide on a course of action. In this case his course of action was to abandon ship and desperately try to sever all ties with her.
He spent years trying to cut her out of his heart but the stone proved to him how futile all his efforts were. Once again, the stone acted as an external manifestation of his true feelings. It's as if he's so afraid of and disgusted by what he truly wishes for that he needs a physical proof of the depth of his love to feel free to act. Plus, let's face it, boy was already caving in the moment he heard Jin Mi had run away from her wedding, although he didn't dare to believe it. So by the time the wedding came about, he was rabid about the idea that the heavens truly meant for them to be together. The stone and heaven's will gave him gave him the agency he needed to get out of his misery and grab onto this happiness.
6 hours ago, Nudafu said:Which fails as a reason once Xu Feng is alive and speaking.
Still a valid reason. She did kill him. It's just that this is a xianxia drama and almost every character gets a convenient "cheat death" card. The important thing here is that when Jin Mi chose to act, she didn't mean to kill him only to revive him later. The death was intended to be permanent and she got lucky that she was able to bring him back to life after she realized her mistake.
6 hours ago, Nudafu said:4. Liu Ying/demon princess. Loved her punchiness for saying it as it is. I think Xu Feng actually considered her words, because in the scheme of things, Liu Ying had no reason or agenda to side with Jin Mi and therefore was the most objective of all voices.
Yes. He did waver when his uncle came to see him and he would eventually have acted on his doubts but Liu Ying sped up the process considerably. She's an ally whose judgment he trusts. By this point he needs an impartial character to make him feel he has the right to pursue those doubts. Because, as you mentioned, he does not trust himself. He hates himself for loving Jin Mi in spite of her actions and he doesn't trust his own judgment. He's afraid of falling for her lies once again (as he sees it) and of giving her another weapon to kill him with a second time.
6 hours ago, Nudafu said:If Xu Feng lashed out initially at Jin Mi and then went searching for the actual perpetrators behind his murder (i.e. Run Yu and Sui He), then I could accept that.
I believe he would have done so eventually, after his uncle came to see him.
6 hours ago, Nudafu said:Repeatedly hurting Jin Mi was unfair and wrong. Example: striking Jin Mi twice hard enough to make her vomit blood is unnecessary. If he had the power to do that, he could've struck her unconscious and sent her back home - this would've been possible even without magic or Run Yu's intervention. Looking like he regretted it or doing it for Jin Mi's good to keep her away doesn't take away from the fact that Jin Mi suffered directly from Xu Feng's actions.
The force of a blow to make her lose consciousness would have to have been much stronger than the blows he actually used and would have resulted in even more internal damage. She viciously stabbed him in the back and pulled the knife out of his chest. What he did to her was nothing compared to that. Was is right? No, not as us viewers see things. But we're all-knowing. As a character, Xu Feng was justified in his actions, in my opinion.
6 hours ago, Nudafu said:As I've mentioned before, this entire part seemed like it was filmed as a disconnect from the story. So far, no one has proven Jin Mi innocent on her betrayal with Run Yu, and the evidence that has changed Xu Feng's mind is concentrated on who actually saved him and all that Jin Mi has sacrificed. Although movingly declared by the Moon Immortal, he really did gloss over a lot.
It's also based on the fact that Xu Feng does have a pretty brilliant brain when it's not all confused by torturing emotions. He also knows Run Yu pretty well. Once it was proven that Jin Mi was ready to sacrifice her life to correct her mistake, he had no reason to keep disbelieving her when it came to the rest of her story. Xu Feng is an all-in kind of guy. He doesn't deal in half-trust. So if Jin Mi was saying the truth about why she killed him, Xu Feng had to know someone had messed up the evidence in order to trick her.
6 hours ago, Nudafu said:I think he was most afraid that Jin Mi was truly in cahoots with Run Yu. Because that may mean Jin Mi didn't actually love him. I believe it all comes down to that.
Yes, absolutely. It's so touching when he says that he engraved in his heart the words she said to him "I never loved you" and that he never dared to forget them, that it became a guideline for all his subsequent actions. Because he would have been ready to forgive everything and anything if she had really loved him.
6 hours ago, Nudafu said:Regardless of what Jin Mi stands for, I can't see what more anyone can expect of someone who genuinely says "I'm sorry". I saw that as an opportunity and turning point. Xu Feng just chose to not take the opportunity.
Yes but, once again, we're not talking about a slight betrayal here. We're talking about her actually killing him of her own accord. Sometimes saying "I'm sorry" just isn't enough. Jin Mi knows it and it's actually killing her. She's on a kind of hopeless quest, expecting nothing in return. Xu Feng can and does get over it but it's a monumental task and can't happen overnight. We can't be too hard on him. It's already a miracle that he did forgive her before she died.
6 hours ago, Nudafu said:I think Xu Feng did actually wish to fight.
Probably on some level. But he's also the Demon Lord who is responsible for the lives of millions of people. He would not have let his personal wishes get in the way of the safety of his realm. The fact that his feelings aligned with what the situation required was a bonus but I don't believe they were a deciding factor.He is not like Run Yu who literally doesn't care how many of his soldiers will die if it means he can get Jin Mi back. And let's not forget that Xu Feng has gone down on record for saying that he fights wars only to bring peace to the world. He does not go to war just for the sake of war and certainly does not provoke them.
6 hours ago, Nudafu said:6 hours ago, Nudafu said:We will have to agree to disagree as to Xu Feng's motives for the war. If Xu Feng meant to provoke Run Yu to make a mistake, he doesn't have enough personal power to battle an enraged Run Yu. If you are prepared to incite a battle, gambling on limited firepower is well, foolish. Very unlike a seasoned war leader of Xu Feng's calibre. If he intends for Run Yu to make a mistake out of acting rashly, he underestimates Run Yu big time.
Yes let's
Different points of views are always fine. I think Xu Feng had no real agency in this war thing. It came to its door while he wasn't in a good position to fight and he had to make the best out of a very bad situation. I don't see what else he could have done. Provoking Run Yu was reckless and a gamble but a drawn out battle would have meant a complete defeat for the Demon Realm. What could he have done? Run Yu was beyond reason at this point and he well knew it.
He was less than tactful in the way he handled things with Jin Mi but that is part of his flawed character. He's not the perfect prince of stories. He definitely should have informed Jin Mi of his intentions. But I chose to take it as him being used to playing the undisputed leader on the battlefield, no one has ever questioned him or his orders. He does have a proud, arrogant streak to him as the god of war. He's go a "I know best attitude" which completely ignored the fact that Jin Mi might not be on the same page.
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12 hours ago, Nudafu said:
There was never any attempt to negotiate peace.
Actually, Xu Feng does say that since Jin Mi is in the Demon Realm of her own accord, there is no need or justification for a war and Run Yu should just desist and go back to the Heavenly Realm. So he did try to avoid the war although he knew that his words would fall on deaf ears.
13 hours ago, Nudafu said:And the way I see it, there was an absence for a benefit of the doubt for Jin Mi of all people. Because if one looks at Xu Feng's murder in context, Jin Mi was a pawn.
She was indeed a pawn in the grand scheme of things but she did act of her own agency (even Run Yu had no way of knowing she would actually go as far as killing Xu Feng. As she said in the revelation scene, he was a gambler and he gambled big), which cripples her with guilt later on. She stabs Xu Feng in the back in the most literal sense of the term and there was no room for doubts on that part. It was impossible for Xu Feng to give her the benefit of the doubt before being told of the other facts. Only then could he start to see the big picture with Run Yu as the sole mastermind behind his murder. And even then, the fact remained that she was capable of bringing herself to kill a person who had only shown only protection and affection to her.
The only moment when he could have given her the benefit of the doubt was when she told him that Sui He had killed her father with glass fire. And he did give her that benefit, albeit most unwillingly. But he was so hell-bent on his own salvation by that point that he couldn't afford to explore those doubts until a third party (his uncle) laid the same facts before him.
13 hours ago, Nudafu said:I differ with you here on these points. I thought Deng Lun's portrayal of Xu Feng had a slow burn intensity that brought Xu Feng's character alive. Which meant Deng Lun was the saving grace of all things Xu Feng. Deng Lun didn't have much to work with from both the series and novel. If it wasn't for Deng Lun's performance, I wouldn't have anything to work with to write his character.
So true! We were lucky to have Deng Lun play Xu Feng. With another actor playing Xu Feng, Run Yu and his charisma + massive character development would have steamrolled all over the character.
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9 hours ago, ValentineJ said:
Yess. Finally saying what I've been thinking. It always bothered me how he almost killed her right before they had sex, yet so many readers glossed over it. Glad he was softened, although I did not like his blind trust towards SH and his parents
Well, I've kind of resigned myself that, in a Chinese drama, no child will ever really turn against his parents, no matter how evil they are. In Ashes it was already pretty extraordinary that Xu Feng opposed his mother so strongly regarding the position of Crown Prince and his marriage to Sui He. Also, he did strongly attack her when she was trying to kill Jin Mi. But that's the extent of his opposition and he was willfully blind to many of his parents' faults.
As for trusting Sui He, I thought I would hate that part of the drama before watching but I actually didn't. I think it was more about survival than anything else. He felt so destroyed by Jin Mi's betrayal and her alliance with Run Yu that he had no choice but trusting in someone who had seemingly abandoned everything for him. Although one could argue that after being betrayed to such an extent, he should have been in paranoid mode, not trusting any one ever again. But that was never his personality and the fact that he was so alone and dependent on others made it impossible not to rely on the few people supporting him..
After he realized how much he still loved and desired Jin Mi in spite of everything, he resolved to sever all ties with her at all costs and once he started down that road, he had no choice but to trust Sui He. But it's clear he was tortured all along and was afraid that he'd chosen to trust the wrong person. He had also just been expelled from the ranks of the immortals, which cast him adrift from everything he had ever known. Sui He was similarly alone in the world and he could relate to that.
The moment a third party (the uncle) started to say the same things as Jin Mi did, he started to waver and be suspicious. Now the question is, Would he have acted on his doubts and suspicions had he not seen Sui He's scar? I want to believe he would have investigated things before going ahead and marrying her but that's just pure speculation.
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2 hours ago, bluesytb said:
These are all excellent points, and most I hadn't thought of. I still feel for JM who is inevitably hurt by his words, and in a way, objectified.
I agree. It's not that he objectified her on purpose though. In his mind he was doing the only thing he could have done to win against Run Yu, defend the Demon realm and keep Jin Mi with him, safe. His clueless bird brain just doesn't understand that Jin Mi could be offended or shamed by his words. Silly man.
2 hours ago, bluesytb said:THANK YOU! I wanted to make this point, about XF not going to war with RY/heaven realm if RY had backed down, but I second guessed myself. I mean its logical since XF has lost half his cultivation & has the add cold - going to war at this point is probably not high on list at that point.
Exactly. Xu Feng is the god of War and he's very good at it but he does *not* like it. It was made very clear in the mortal realm arc that he was fighting only to bring ultimate peace to the people. With the current state of the demon army, there was no way he would have willingly gone to war against the Heavenly Realm.
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9 hours ago, Nudafu said:
I thought the saddest thing about the battle is that both Run Yu and Xu Feng did bad by Jin Mi. I don't expect any good from Run Yu at this stage, but it set my teeth on edge that Xu Feng did what he did. I have a feeling production may've filmed it or thought about filming the scene right before the battle (i.e. Xu Feng raging about Jin Mi's conspiracy against him and almost choking her to death). We just get a scene where Jin Mi swears she is not to blame and Xu Feng unconvincingly believing that. But then he forcefully takes her to the battle and proceeds to use her against Run Yu. That feels disconnected. The series should've just kept the original scene to explain Xu Feng's behaviour. The way I see it, Xu Feng used Jin Mi in his own fashion on the eve of battle. He claims he had a wedding night with her when it was plainly untrue. While it works to irritate Run Yu, it shames Jin Mi in the process. Xu Feng wanted to fight as much as Run Yu. The only reason you take an unwilling, non-combatant into the heart of battle is to use them. My conclusion has always been that both boys were party to her death. Yes, Jin Mi chose to step in between them and end it. But, Run Yu could've chosen not to attack. Xu Feng could've chosen not to take Jin Mi to the battle. Fine if Jin Mi intended to follow Xu Feng. But she said no before the battle, she didn't want to go to the battle. And she said no, stop fighting shortly before the boys powered up to Ban-kai showdown. If Xu Feng was shown to continue with the battle because there was too much momentum - reasonable and understandable - then fair enough. The way I read Xu Feng flinging Jin Mi off his arm, that is someone who wants to fight. And the way he revs up his troops at the start of battle, that is also someone who relishes the fight. One could argue that Run Yu's invasion was inevitable, and from a strategic perspective, I agree that Xu Feng was correct in strengthening his defences. But his sequence of actions were all about revenge. Revenge against Run Yu. Revenge against Jin Mi. He just lacked the insight that Jin Mi would be a casualty in his war for revenge.
I read these scenes a bit differently.
For me, Xu Feng utterly gave up on lying to himself and fully embraced the fact that he loved Jin Mi too much to let her go right after the wedding. He forgave her, only he didn't tell her in so many words because he still had his pride to consider. Hence Jin Mi's words as she's dying: "Idiot. You finally admit it" --> ie you should have told me last night. The loving words he said during the wedding were his true thoughts but he only felt free to say them because he knew that they would help with his plan of pushing Sui He to her limits.
As mentioned by another poster above, from the moment Xu Feng sees the stone change color and discovers it was Jin Mi under the veil, he considers himself truly and irrevocably married to her. But it must have hurt both his pride and his heart to discover that Jin Mi wasn't acting of her own volition and even revealed it to the whole room. The fact that she took off her wedding dress didn't help matters either.
He's pretty vulnerable in the post-wedding scene, a bit like a wounded beast. His emotions must be all over the place and he plays it a bit hot and cold. He's finally learned all that Jin Mi sacrificed for him and he feels incredibly guilty. He finally acknowledged the fact that he was still in love with her and forever would be not matter what she did but the fact that she did kill him is still a raw wound. He almost can't believe his dearest wish of being married to her has been granted and feels vulnerable when he thinks he's the only one wishing for a true marriage. He knows everything that has happened in the past is too messed up and entangled but he's willing to grasp onto the chance he's being given of starting again, as equals. And that's when he repeats his words from the wedding, if only in his head. He has no audience to play to and he frees himself by saying them once again. As mentioned above, Xu Feng is a straightforward guy. He doesn't lie. Well except when he was desperately trying to sever all ties with her as a matter of survival but that's another story.
I believe he needed more time to fully process everything in order to have a better conversation and understanding with Jin Mi. But the war happened the very next morning. It can actually be seen as good thing too because there's nothing like seeing your loved one dying in your arms to cut through all the richard simmons. His pride, all that was left unsaid and all the misunderstandings became a moot point. It was the perfect reset.
I think Xu Feng fully believes her when she says she had nothing to do with Run Yu's plans for war. And as he says: "It's not you I don't trust, it's Run Yu". Now that he's in possession of all the facts, his brain functions at full power and he clearly knows that the Jin Mi of the past was too naive and inexperienced to have plotted anything with Run Yu and the Jin Mi of today has done too much for him to betray him again.
As to why he takes her with him to the battlefield, I think he couldn't have done anything else. The safest place for her was probably next to him. The Flower Realm was under attack and anywhere else would have left her vulnerable to a kidnapping from Run Yu while he was stuck on the battlefield.
And there's a logic to him provoking Run Yu. He knows full well that he's handicapped by both the pill backfiring and the fact that he gave up half his cultivation the night before. His only chance to win the battle is to make Run Yu so mad that he would act rashly and make a mistake. Also, he's proud (in the good sense of the word) that he managed to nab Jin Mi as his wife and he isn't ashamed of boasting about it. Plus it needed to be made clear that Run Yu was not attacking for rightful motives so as to preserve the reputation of the Demon Realm. Although I do agree that it was also sweet revenge on Run Yu. The fact that Jin Mi was going to marry Run Yu really grated on him and he reacted very strongly when he learned that Jin Mi Had run away (although he didn't dare believe it was true). So he was like a boastful teenager claiming "I got the girl".
If Run Yu had backed down after learning that Jin Mi had married him, he wouldn't have attacked. He didn't want this war but he knew it was inevitable and did everything in his power to win it. Once started, the battle couldn't be stopped and there was no way he would let Run Yu take Jin Mi away now that she was finally lawfully his.
But yes, he did lack the insight that Jin Mi would be likely to sacrifice herself to stop the war. It was outside of his comprehension.
EDIT: talking about the drama , not the novel.
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On 9/15/2018 at 10:28 PM, bluesytb said:
And I do have to disagree, respectfully, about XF hating JM. It wasn't just that she killed him (Stabbed him in the back, literally) it's that RY tells him that he & JM worked together to kill him. How JM giving her hair strand to XF, not out of love XF thinks - looks pretty premeditated. He can't seem to get her out of his mind, even though he thinks RY & JM love each other and are working together to bring him down again. So he's very guarded, with every right to be. (not that I agree with everything he's done)
On 9/16/2018 at 6:13 AM, bluesytb said:There are a lot of things I don't like about XF - like his blindness towards his parents, and the way he treats his underlings, his arrogance. I don't like it when he gets grabby and pushy with JM. I hated how he forced himself on JM when he went to call out SH's name. All the toxic parts of masculinity I dislike. (not saying masculinity is bad or wrong, but there are definitely parts of it that are for sure toxic and harmful)
But that being said - He's very kind, will do everything he can for his friends, sticks up for RY, JM, The Empress, etc, has a wicked sense of humour, and literally has no ulterior motive - he doesn't care for power and is mainly guided by his heart - TBH I think even though he has some of those stereotypical ultra masculine (read toxic) features seen in archetypes, he really is more complicated and far softer than that. And that quality of softness is something I need to see in many more male characters.
That is a very good description of Xu Feng. I do agree 100%.
I do not recommend that you read the book though or it will ruin the character for you. The drama did a great job with him (although they should have given him more screen time and more of a backstory) because the Xu Feng of the book was a forceful abuser with murderous tendencies. He's got stars in his eyes when he's in "love mode" but as soon as he sees Jin Mi paying attention to someone else, he becomes a real bastard, even coming close to killing her twice (right before the mutual cultivation too. Nice.).
For the life of me, I don't understand the appeal of the novel and I think the drama is a much better piece of work.
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4 hours ago, mrsyooknit said:
The difference between TV version and DVD version is how they cut the episodes to include commercials. When episodes air on TV, they add like 15 minutes + of commercials in between the two episodes. This amount of commercial varies, I guess they do some real time tracking for ratings. But some episodes are shorter while others are longer, etc. They also have a recap of the previous episodes and a preview of the next episodes. When we see episodes online, we don't see any of that. But that difference adds up and that is why episode count differs from DVD to TV version. At least that is my understanding of it.
But the 63-episode version posted online doesn't have recap or commercials and the episodes still seem to be the same length as the ones in the 60-episode version. That's why I'm confused. I was expecting something around 40 minutes so as to add up to 3 more episodes but they all seem to be 44-45 minutes, like the dvd version.
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6 hours ago, ElleSor said:
Yeah. I checked the time and those I checked are the same with the others. Maybe they cut the opening and closing credits to make the show longer?
Sorry, double posted by mistake and can't delete this post.
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42 minutes ago, ElleSor said:
I've been watching in the site where the TV version shows, what the the differences between that and the DVD version?
I'm thinking of rewatching the DVD version.
By the way, can anyone tell me the significance of the 3 dark colored beads in Pu Chi Jun's hand when Jin Mi died? Was that her lingli?
Apparently it's the same thing but with episodes cut a bit longer for the DVD. 63 episodes for TV and 60 for the DVD. I watched the 60-episode version. I'm a bit confused though because I briefly checked the TV version and the episodes seem to be the same length as the ones from the version I watched. Someone would need to confirm that the content is exactly the same and that there's no additional stuff in the 63-episode version.
2 hours ago, enkhee said:Can someone help me understand what happened to Jin Mi that she suddenly started looking for the Light of something from the Emperor's older brother?
Jin Mi realized that she had wrongly accused Xu Feng and that he was innocent. So in a bid to make up for her mistake she did everything she could to revive him. She was told of an elixir that would work but needed the light from the Emperor's brother that everyone thought had died. Every step is clearly explained though so maybe you did miss an episode after all ?
And, yes, Sui He was the real murderer. Don't worry, the matter does come up again later in the drama.
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34 minutes ago, UnniSarah said:
Chingu , @missnymeria is the drama fully subbed now . I did watch it rather and kinda assume that was what done.
I agree whole heatedly with the drama having the perfect ending this drama deserved . It was like the history reapeted itself. It was so awesome. Can't wait to watch it with subs.
It is now fully subbed, yes
The DVD version is available on 4udrama and the TV version on Kissasian. Happy viewing!
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Finished the last episode today. What a ride. I don't know what to do with myself now. Ashes of Love is the first C-drama I've watched which didn't drag in the middle and which didn't make me want to FF scenes with secondary characters. Also, it's that very rare bird, a drama whose whole ending arc isn't expedited in 5 minutes. It doesn't leave you feeling dazed, confused and dissatisfied because everything went by so fast after a draggy middle part. They did a great job with everything.
Sure, some scenes with secondary characters could have been a bit shorter (Princess Biancheng & Mu Ci love story, I'm looking at you. You were touching but lingered on for a tiny bit too long) but on the whole I think the drama did a great job of making us interested in every single character. There's always room for improvement (we all would have liked a few more scenes with Xu Feng and Jin Mi, together or doing their own thing, for example) but I think it's a much better piece of work than the original novel. It's more ambitious, more epic and more layered.
I have too many thoughts about the ending and too little time to write them all down so I'll just say a couple of things
1*Run Yu's fate.
SpoilerI know some viewers would like to have some kind of love story for him in the future but I for one was extremely satisfied with the way the drama left him: Still Heavenly Emperor, still desperately in love with Jin Mi, still erroneously believing he has no one and nothing, resigned to his fate. To even hint that he would fall in love again in the future would have cheapened the love he felt for Jin Mi and would have taken something away from his path of redemption. He's exactly where he needed to be.
2*Xu Feng confronting Run Yu
SpoilerWhen Xu Feng went to the Heavenly Realm to confront Run Yu, he stayed true to his character when he couldn't bring himself to kill his brother even after everything he had done. But I want to believe he also had a very selfish reason not to kill him: Finding Jin Mi. He renounced his title of Demon Lord in order to fully dedicate himself to his search. The last thing he would have wanted was to be tied to the responsibilities of being Heavenly Emperor, a title even more cumbersome than Demon Lord. So leaving Run Yu alive is the most complete and fitting form of punishment Xu Feng could have devised. Win-win. It might be just my wishful thinking though. Because I don't like my heroes to be 100% pure and virtuous. A side of selfishness/scheming/darkness makes them much more interesting and complex.
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6 hours ago, UnniSarah said:
@missnymeria.... That is the exact impression I got watching it raw. His facial expression said it all. There are a lot of examples For examples, Grape, the rabbit he set free, in each of these scenes. His eyes was on her. You can clearly see the pain in his eyes. The problem with Jin Mi is that when she is with Xu Feng she always say the wrong thing or do the wrong thing. She just can't help herself. Thanks for letting me know it has been subbed.
The absolutely worst thing she could have said is the thing that Xu Feng is hung up about and doesn't dare to forget: that she had never loved him. It's clearly what stayed with him the most. It's so heartbreaking that these were the last words he heard before he died . When he was brought back to life, "Jin Mi" is the first thing he said, before remembering what happened. Poor boy.
In his mind she would have no reason to lie to him when she said those words. After all, she had just dealt him a killing blow, why lie at that precise moment? These words became his devastating truth and that's what really killed his spirit. So in the Demon Realm he's working under the assumption that all the sweet things she says can't be anything but a lie.
There was literally nothing she could say that would have been right unfortunately.
It's a proof of his deep and undying devotion that he is actually moved by everything that she says, although he despises himself for it.
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I've just watched episodes 55 & 56 with subs and continue to be very happy with what the drama has done with Xu Feng in the Demon Realm.
I had been reading spoilers before and many people seemed to be saying that Xu Feng was so dense about the Jin Mi / Sui He thing that the drama was extremely frustrating to watch because of his dumbed-down character. But actually watching the episodes didn't leave me with that impression at all. The writers did really great with his character.
I wrote a long post about episodes 53 & 54 and I will copy/paste some of it here so that I can follow up on 55 & 56 in a logical manner:
" I think the writers made it super clear that up to the Jin Mi/Sui He confrontation in the cave, Xu Feng was in love with Jin Mi (and was aware of it) and hadn't even really given up on her. He lashed out in different ways to hurt her in return and was a mess emotionally but he still desired her (he couldn't help stealing a kiss) and had no plans to marry anyone else, even to express gratitude. During the first part of the confrontation in the cave, he tried his best to get her to leave and only kept hurting her because she wouldn't give up on attacking Sui He. When he saw he wouldn't be able to make her leave, he resorted to the Phoenix feather to launch a final attack (this part is a bit shady because the feather was never described as a weapon before). That was when he was placed face to face with the true depth of his love for her in spite of everything and it shocked him. He knew he still had feeling s for her before this but here he had tangible proof of the extent of them. But the real blow came when Run Yu arrived to save Jin Mi. Seeing them together brought back the fact that they're a united front who successfully teamed up to kill him once already. This is when he really had to face what he probably calls his "stupidity".
The cave scene was the turning point for him. Believing Sui He in that moment was a matter of survival when it came to his sanity. He had no choice but to believe her in order to keep going or he would have ended up as dead as the first time, at least as far as he knew. That's when he changed his attitude and knew he had to sever all ties with Jin Mi in an irrevocable manner. Because I believe he kind of enjoyed torturing himself by purposefully letting her come seemingly unnoticed to the Demon Realm before. Each time he saw her he wavered and was stuck in this love/hate vicious circle. So he devised the cruelest way possible to hurt Jin Mi and ensure she would never come back to the Demon Realm. He deliberately used her petal to create the garden scene and carefully orchestrated the phoenix flower and the proposal to Sui He so that Jin Mi could watch. Even then, it almost killed him to give the petal back and sever all ties when it came down to it. He almost couldn't do it and it was clear that he was hurting himself just as much as he was hurting her by doing so.
He so clearly wanted to believe Jin Mi's declaration of love and her explanation but couldn't afford to and I can't blame him. Although Jin Mi's reasoning for convicting and killing Xu Feng was flimsy, he has true proof of her betrayal and nothing up to this point could have made him think otherwise."Now on to episodes 55 & 56.
My fear was that Xu Feng would continue to brush off all criticisms against Sui He and that he would doggedly insist on marrying her to repay her kindness. It would have really been a case of character assassination because although Xu Feng himself knows he's not as devilishly clever as Run Yu, he's by no means stupid. He's actually pretty intelligent but it's just that Run Yu is on another level (had to be on another level in order to survive).
After he nearly kills himself by severing ties with Jin Mi, the next person who tries to set him straight is his Uncle. And although he seems to brush him off and sends him away immediately, he's clearly shaken and troubled by what he has heard. He goes from choosing to believe Sui He to considering her a possible suspect in the blink of an eye. I find it very telling because at this point he still has 0 proof of her crime. All the evidence points to her being a wronged woman who has been weakened while trying to save him. He doesn't go as far as convicting her but doubt has taken root, even with the indisputable fact that she is not supposed to know how to use glass fire.
He must be terrified of having made the wrong choice in the cave at this point. Because if Sui He has been lying all this time, what he has done to Jin Mi will be unforgivable and he won't be able to live with himself. He's got the self-hate thing going pretty strong.
The nail in the coffin comes when he sees the scar on Sui He's ear. He pretends to believe her but his brain is working at its full capacity and he notices straight away that the scar is pretty old and that she's lying. But I love the fact that, unlike Jin Mi, he needs absolute, tangible proof of her crime before he convicts her. His character has always been written as fair and honorable and he stays in character here.
Now, the question is, What would he have done if he had not seen the scar? I want to believe that the doubts he started having after his uncle's visit would have been enough for him not to go through with the wedding. It would be in character for him to try and investigate more. He proposed marriage to Sui He to hurt Jin Mi and drive her away. He also proposed in order to hold himself accountable to his decision of severing ties with Jin Mi. He figures that, being married to another woman, he will be honor-bound to stop thinking of Jin Mi and it will keep his feelings in check so to speak. Doomed to failure but poor boy doesn't know that.
He has no tender feelings for Sui Hi other than being grateful she saved him. He can't help but despise any physical contact between him and her, except when he knew Jin Mi was watching (or when Sui He guilt-trips him about the fact she lost everything to save him). It's instinctive rather than intentional. His love for Jin Mi is so deep that he can't bear touching or being touched by another woman. His whole being literally lives for her: body, heart, soul and phoenix feather (his mind is in a complete mess though ^^). In the scene where Sui He tries to help him when the pill is malfunctioning, he uses 0 care to get her off him and she falls to the ground. He would have never been so forceful with Jin Mi, even post wedding.
After the proposal scene did its jobs of dealing Jin Mi a deadly blow, I think his lack of true affection and his doubts would have kept troubling him. I don't think he could have married a woman he had such doubts about without trying to clarify things first.
And now the wait begins for the last 4 episodes. I had told myself I would wait until the drama was fully subbed before watching episodes 50-60 but I couldn't help myself. I was mostly afraid of being frustrated with Xu Feng's behavior regarding Sui He and Jin Mi so I wanted to be able to go to the good parts quickly, without having to wait days or weeks for new episodes to come out. But since I'm super satisfied with Xu Feng's arc, that fear has gone now.
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10 hours ago, Evangeline Yang said:
They have the chemistry, though is wasted that many plots have changed from Ep 12 onward (I have the original scripts from the 2nd group of editors that uploaded ep 1-31 and many people are comparing the diff between original and current drama and while some are happy that some phrases are changed and make it much sweeter when the 2 main leads were involved but some changed caused a lot of controversies that made Phoenix's character not just weaken but unethical.) I wished things can be changed but none. That is how China dramas are like at times when personal interests are involved.
If you have the time (and wouldn't mind !), could you tell us about a few Xu Feng scenes that were in the original script but not in the drama ?
It would be like deleted scenes and I would love to know about them.
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1 hour ago, BaiZiHua said:
I really liked your insightful post and agree with what you said about Xu Feng. And I will try my best to answer your questions.
#1 He learns of it during the wedding scene when the Fox Immortal tell his about what all Jin Mi sacrificed in order to save him. On ep 60 @ 29:24
#2 I'm not 100% sure about this one but I think he coughed up blood because he originally put her petal into one of his souls. So they might have been in some way connected as one. So when she destroyed/crushed the petal in a sense it crushed his heart/soul or wherever he stored the petal in his body too.
Thank you for clarifying things!
It makes sense. I think if he had known, he couldn't have brought himself to use the petal in this way. Even doing this much was very hard for him so no way he would have used it.
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When I was reading spoilers for the Demon Realm arc without having seen the episodes, I thought the writers had really messed up when it came to Xu Feng's obliviousness and his way of handling things but I've just watched episodes 52 & 53 with subs and I'm really liking what they have done.
Some thoughts...
1* I know some people were bothered by the seemingly random side love story between Puchi and Sui He but I wasn't. There were hints of it from the beginning of the drama, and it also filled in some important plot points. First, it showed us the beginning of the Infamous Duo when Sui He manipulated her way into the Heavenly Empress' good graces. Also (and this is just my personal opinion), I felt that the writers used Puchi's declaration to mirror Xu Feng's current feelings that he cannot voice to anyone: namely that although Jin Mi hurt and killed him, he couldn't help but still love her.
2* I think the writers made it super clear that up to the Jin Mi/Sui He confrontation in the cave, Xu Feng was in love with Jin Mi (and was aware of it) and hadn't even really given up on her. He lashed out in different ways to hurt her in return and was a mess emotionally but he still desired her (he couldn't help stealing a kiss) and had no plans to marry anyone else, even to express gratitude. During the first part of the confrontation in the cave, he tried his best to get her to leave and only kept hurting her because she wouldn't give up on attacking Sui He. When he saw he wouldn't be able to make her leave, he resorted to the Phoenix feather to launch a final attack (this part is a bit shady because the feather was never described as a weapon before). That was when he was placed face to face with the true depth of his love for her in spite of everything and it shocked him. He knew he still had feeling s for her before this but here he had tangible proof of the extent of them. But the real blow came when Run Yu arrived to save Jin Mi. Seeing them together brought back the fact that they're a united front who successfully teamed up to kill him once already. This is when he really had to face what he probably calls his "stupidity".3*The cave scene was the turning point for him. Believing Sui He in that moment was a matter of survival when it came to his sanity. He had no choice but to believe her in order to keep going or he would have ended up as dead as the first time, at least as far as he knew. That's when he changed his attitude and knew he had to sever all ties with Jin Mi in an irrevocable manner. Because I believe he kind of enjoyed torturing himself by purposefully letting her come seemingly unnoticed to the Demon Realm before. Each time he saw her he wavered and was stuck in this love/hate vicious circle. So he devised the cruelest way possible to hurt Jin Mi and ensure she would never come back to the Demon Realm. He deliberately used her petal to create the garden scene and carefully orchestrated the phoenix flower and the proposal to Sui He so that Jin Mi could watch. Even then, it almost killed him to give the petal back and sever all ties when it came down to it. He almost couldn't do it and it was clear that he was hurting himself just as much as he was hurting her by doing so.
4*He so clearly wanted to believe Jin Mi's declaration of love and her explanation but couldn't afford to and I can't blame him. Although Jin Mi's reasoning for convicting and killing Xu Feng was flimsy, he has true proof of her betrayal and nothing up to this point could have made him think otherwise.
So I'm not hating on Xu Feng as much as I thought I would before watching the episodes. It's so sad to see him still painfully in love even after Jin Mi's betrayal. He hates himself for it but he can't help it. But I'm reserving my final judgment until I've seen more episodes. Because it was fine for him to believe Sui He over Jin Mi in the heat of the moment but it will be different if he keeps blindly believing in her after everyone keeps warning him about her misdeeds.
I found two things unclear though:
*Did Xu Feng actually know the petal was a piece of Jin Mi's true form? If he didn't, does he ever learn the truth?
*Why did he cough up blood after Jin Mi crushed the petal ? It is related to it or is it part of the pill having been tampered with?
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1 hour ago, sorein said:
They really shoved her hard in our face without any reason as she was absolutely not important in the book and didn’t bring anything interesting to the drama.
While she might indeed have some powerful backing to get her more screen time, I think her extended role was necessary to make the drama complete as a layered story and not just as a romance. Introducing her early established her as a sympathetic character close to Xu Feng and who could believably help and pave the way for him for his Demon Realm arc. Sure, they should have cut some of her stuff, but on the whole it made the Demon Realm arc not feel so rushed and coming out of nowhere despite the very few numbers of episodes they dedicated to it.
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1 hour ago, dramacraze9006 said:
XF regretting that he said SH name that night
XF: That night, the reason why I called out SH name
XF: Is because I want to remind myself
XF: to not let you enchant me
XF: Seeing you in pain while leaving
XF: My heart was actually in pain to the point that I couldn’t breathe
XF: I regretted that I didn’t run to you
XF: to say it’s not what you thought
XF meeting JM in the Mortal Trial house
So happy about the explanation for the kiss and SH's name. The way they cut the scene with his eyes closed really bugged me because it didn't make it clear whether he knew it was JM or not.
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2 hours ago, Mau_Cherry said:
Phönix only wanted to be together with her - he would have give up on everything - was not interested in political power - he only selfless and honestly loved JM.
And now they let Night act selfless... thats so stupid... Sorry I will stop here.. so sorry - please bare with me.. I got a bit overboard...
To be fair though, Run Yu only started to want political power in order to protect himself and the ones he loved. He tried flying under the radar for millenia and his dearest wish was to be able to marry Jin Mi and live in peace.
But the Empress (and the Emperor with all his scheming) did not allow it. She was constantly after him and definitely crossed the line when she chose to harm Jin Mi and killed his mother. It was kill or be killed and Run Yu chose to fight back. The way he did it is questionable but it sure was effective.
Xu Feng on the other end had no one persecuting him since childhood. He was the golden child of heaven, praised by all. He had the same aspiration as run Yu, which was to marry Jin Mi and leave in peace.
After the wedding, Xu Feng chose to walk the same path as Run Yu when he realized he needed power to protect himself and get his revenge.
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23 minutes ago, Sary Em said:
Being a hardcore book fan. I remember JM and XF had a wedding which was mentioned in one of the epilogue where they were (XF wanting to start a family with JM lol) JM stated he was more happy having a son than during their wedding. Never read that he married SH or any wedding ceremony. Only the invitations were sent. After snake fairy pretended to be RY was she be able to escape the pslace and go to confess her love to XF. Then her demise....sooo sad and bittersweet. So glad it was a big happy ending.
SpoilerFrom what people are saying on MyDramaList, it would seem that Xu Feng wants to marry Sui He but that Moon Immortal is planning to switch the brides.
I hope it's not true because it would make 0 sense for Jin Mi to want to marry Xu Feng at this point. Granted, she loves him but why would she be willing to trick him into unknowingly marrying her when he's been treating her like sh%t and she believes he's in love with another woman? She has already played the dirtiest trick of all by literally stabbing him in the back and thus lost his trust. Why would she trick him again? Also she's had numerous examples of Xu Feng romancing Sui He and she experienced first-hand the pain of hearing him say the name of another woman while he was kissing her. Why would she want to substitute herself?
We'll have to wait and see I guess.
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This drama is so rich and open to interpretation. It's a pleasure to read all the different takes and thoughts on it.
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