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  1. 1 minute ago, solelylurking said:

     

    Sorry to butt in your discussion with @qwenli

    Maybe Soo will try stop Wook from getting the throne because she fears Wook will be a ruthless King who kill his own kin. She is suspecting him from the start (kind of interesting to the reason why really. Wook is not known to be brutal nor blood hungry). But Wook still persists because he thinks the only way he can protect, have and marry her is when he becomes a king. Because Soo knows she is the main reason to Wook's ambition, then Soo will leave him so he no longer has the reason to be king and stop. That's why they're breaking up. 

    Does it make any sense to you guys for their break up reason?

    I taught about it from the ep 2 or 3. He always helpless when it comes to the authority to save Soo and he hates it. He doesn't want his promise to protect her become an empty words. Soo in the other hand doesn't know the right order of the kings and which one among the prince will be the ruthless king. The writer is planning the basic of her doubt in the eps 6. That's why they make Soo suspect Wook not So (who is the more suitable candidate if we see from his background). That is some writing without common sense (I'm sorry for the harsh critics but I've got to say it) but they work hard to pull it off so I put it aside. 

    The only thing went wrong from Soo's effort is she runs with Wang So. She probably don't know yet (at that moment in the future) that So is in love with him or haven't change her heart to So yet but he should've known a deep feeling like Wook is trouble to begin with if you walk your way about with another man. Not just any man but a man who clearly have feeling for her, help her countless of time and even beat Wook in the effort to save her many times. She should've known Wook will be beserk because of jelousy and hating So for 'stealing' his girl. 

    Thus the history won't change. The fight to the throne will still be a blood bath. Wang So willing to run away with Soo if she wants to but he will not play nice if what Wook's after is not throne only but the girl he loves with all his life and death. The king has the right to marry whom ever he please even if it is against her will. What interesting to me is when it comes to the decision of his offer (to run away) has Soo already know about So's destiny or not? When she does why she's not making him gave up the throne and run away? Is JM is involve in this again? I say he does. 

    But this is just a theory and we still got many eps to watch. 

    Sorry to intercept your discussion but it is so interesting I couldn't help my self. I'm sorry from the bottom of my heart.

     

    i think there could be a big twist as to why ji mong wanted to bring Hae soo back to the past; maybe he wanted to kill Wang So or prevent him from ascending the throne. 

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  2. I think this episode was trying to show us the complexity of So's character. I am not sure if this is a translation issue, but during his conversation with the General, it was mentioned that somehow, since So had learnt to manipulate the Kangs in ShinJoo well, he should stay in Shinjoo where he has more power, rather than in the palace which really belongs to only the crown prince. Therefore it is no longer the case where he is held like a hostage (as he wanted the others in the palace to believe to make them underestimate the power he truly has). 

    It revealed to us that So, besides being a wounded animal, is also a cunning character with enough wits and ruthlessness about him to ascend the throne. This for me was my favourite scene and certainly a game changer for his character. 

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  3. On 9/13/2016 at 0:56 AM, LyraYoo said:

    So happy to see more HaJunSe's in JG Thread ! :wub:

    He updated his IG an hour ago , I can only recognize his CEO :sweatingbullets:

    The old caucasian guy is Robert Holley, one of Joon Gi's best friends. Actually the story behind their friendship is pretty funny, Robert Holley used to be a lawyer and DJ and Joon Gi was an active member of Holley's fan club when he was still a student, thats how they met! And Holley used to refer to Joon Gi as "that ugly boy from my fan club" (he's only kidding)

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    14 hours ago, joybran said:

    I'm a retired feature film editor, so this is something I can comment on. The editing really is sub par. There are some inexplicable bad cuts, like in the horse rearing scene where I know they had the footage to do it right. Joon Gi is such a good horseman, it is a real shame they messed up his horse stunts with bad editing. There are a lot of other editing choices that are not necessarily wrong but just not good choices for performance and pacing.


    Hi, I too found several of the edits and storyboarding of the plot extremely frustrating..
     

    Spoiler


    I felt the editors and story boarders have decided to dumb the story down by 10 notches by presenting it in a way even a child could understand; the post production wasted such a good script by not editing it, or storyboarding it properly to maximise its original intention/ potential to entertain....All the character's intentions were laid out SO PLAINLY since the beginning, there is hardly any suspense or mystery left for the viewer to speculate....which i think is the reason why korean viewers are not coming back to the show, despite the awesome acting etc...

    3 episodes in and I could point out 2 GLARINGLY IMPORTANT plot points that were glossed over so roughly and mindlessly that it is frustrating to me as a viewer..

    1) Wang So changing positions with Wang Moo at the ceremonial dance
    They should have cut the scene where the astrologist proposed to Wang So to help the Crown Prince AFTER  the king unveiled the mask and realised that Wang So had switched with Wang Moo. The viewers should have been fooled as well and only realise  the truth at the same time as other characters do, not before, as this would have maximised the full dramatic potential of that plot point. Instead, we were already expecting Wang so behind the mask, so no surprises there..

    2) the parallels between 8th prince (wang wook) and the 4th
    In the 3rd episode, Wang Wook explained to Hae soo calmly that he too had killed before, but it was to protect his family and he is proud of it and at peace with what happened. This scene should have been juxtaposed with the scene where Wang soo is killing the monks to protect his own family. The comparison would have drawn a clear and intriguing contrast between the 2 male leads, both of them do the same thing, but have drastically different means and circumstances. It would also endear us more to Wang Soo's character, instead of showing a SUDDEN shift to a completely cold hearted killer (which was inconsistent with how the first 2 episodes portrayed him as). I felt strongly that the script was intended to be read this way, but the editors again decided to dumb down this plot point.....

     

    Overall i felt strongly that the editors and story boarders went for the most straightforward approach to telling the story, which may not sit well with korean audiences (hence the low ratings), but might reduce the risk of broadcasting to a large regional audience (all with different languages, cultures and values). So while in a way their approach was understandable, I felt it was disrespectful to the actors, the script and the overall production in general

     

    I feel so bad for Joon Gi.. I have been following his work since king and the clown and if you compared Wang Soo with Iljimae, you can see such tremendous improvement he has shown over the years!! His acting is totally next level, so full of restraint and nuances ...He does not deserve such crappy editing....

    Meanwhile, greatest props to the make up artist for making splashes of blood look so good on the actors... easily the best part of the show besides Joon Gi himself.

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  5. Hi guys! This is my first message up on the soompi forums ever. After years of hibernation, i have decided to speak up because i feel quite emotional about the drama as well as the negative comments surrounding it. 

    First of all, I don't think there is much to criticise about IU's acting at this point in time, because, they have not even gotten to the emotional parts! Lee Joon Gi is perfect as always, you could tell he's working very hard in every single scene he appears in, even though he does not appear in many scenes at the moment. 

    However, I feel that ultimately, the people working behind the scenes have been letting the production down quite a bit, hence explaining the low ratings... To discuss this, i would need to use some spoilers as examples to talk about the points I would like to make. 



     

    Spoiler

    To be honest, the cinematography was breathtaking, the actors were wonderful, the sets were meticulously designed but the greatest let down was the storyboarding and post editing......

    Although the K version was drastically different from the C version, the audience was promised a moving love story and an intriguing plot about palace politics. Instead, the editors and story boarders have decided to dumb the story down by 10 notches by presenting it in a way even a child could understand. And my goodness, the story is GREAT SO FAR but the post production wasted such a good script by not editing it, or storyboarding it properly to maximise its original intention/ potential to entertain....All the character's intentions were laid out SO PLAINLY since the beginning, there is hardly any suspense or mystery left for the viewer to speculate....which i think is the reason why korean viewers are not coming back to the show, despite the awesome acting etc...

    I work closely with the post production business, so already I could point out 2 GLARINGLY IMPORTANT plot points that were glossed over so roughly and mindlessly that it is frustrating to me as a viewer..

    1) Wang So changing positions with Wang Moo at the ceremonial dance
    They should have cut the scene where the astrologist proposed to Wang So to help the Crown Prince AFTER  the king unveiled the mask and realised that Wang So had switched with Wang Moo. The viewers should have been fooled together and realise  the truth only at the same time as other characters do, not before, as this would have maximised the full dramatic potential of that plot point. Instead, we were already expecting Wang so behind the mask, so no surprises there..

    2) the parallels between 8th prince (wang wook) and the 4th
    In the 3rd episode, Wang Wook explained to Hae soo calmly that he too had killed before, but it was to protect his family and he is proud of it and at peace with what happened. This scene should have been cut side by side with the scene Wang soo is killing the monks to protect his own family. The comparison would have drawn a clear and intriguing contrast between the 2 male leads, both of them do the same thing, but have drastically different means and circumstances. It would also endear us more to Wang Soo's character, instead of showing a SUDDEN shift to a completely cold hearted killer (which was inconsistent with how the first 2 episodes portrayed him as). I felt strongly that the script was intended to be read this way, but the editors again decided to dumb down this plot point.....

     

    Overall i felt strongly that the editors and story boarders went for the most straightforward approach to telling the story, which may not sit well with korean audiences, but might reduce the risk of broadcasting to a large regional audience (all with different languages, cultures and values). So while in a way their approach was understandable, I felt it was disrespectful to the actors, the script and the overall production in general
     

    In general, i am not trying to say that the drama is bad, or that you should boycott it. What I am saying is, it's just not right for the actors to be criticised for something they had no control over.. and finally you should still continue to watch the drama BECAUSE IT HAS SO MUCH POTENTIAL !! i just hope the post production team realise what they are doing wrong and rectify it asap.....:angry:

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